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I used the google translate on google to read your comment, there may have been issues. Almost everyone that I have talked to about why they are playing less or have quit mentions two things, bad balance and player mentality in the game. As I see it, that is the reason why the game mode has low population. Of course if they fixed the balance it may never have high population again, but who is to say. And the issue with bad balance, in this case celestial stats, is that it makes fights very unfun. There is not a single good build that I enjoy fighting or playing in the current meta, which is causing me and other players like me to play less or quit. Also the point of this video was not to say that celestial stats are the only problem, I even mention there are other balance issues. While I would like to see maps get updated, I think that might only get temporary involvement for wvw as people look at the new map, not solve why people are quitting. And I think I agree with you about alliances, but we will have to see how they play out when they get released in ten years.

We must call pest control to get rid of the choya infestation!

I highly recommend against playing this build in wvw, the build is here gw2skills.net/editor/?POgAMFlZwWZssQmLOeXrxtS+RaA-DWRYiR1V1zcI1gLkMjgeDhoLAbXAC4vF9HtAA-w If you actually wanted to play power untamed at its peak, or just wanted to learn the spec, I would suggest playing storm spirit or hunt signet w/ wolf pet instead if unnatural traversal and drake. If you do play hunt signet, use the signet trait.

@@sylver4494 Thank you very much! I normally play soulbeast and haven't try untamed, the only thing I know about it is the unleash.

at least I will always be the best warrior

I highly recommend against playing this build in wvw, the build is here gw2skills.net/editor/?POgAMFlZwWZssQmLOeXrxtS+RaA-DWRYiR1V1zcI1gLkMjgeDhoLAbXAC4vF9HtAA-w If you actually wanted to play power untamed at its peak, or just wanted to learn the spec, I would suggest playing storm spirit or hunt signet w/ wold pet instead if unnatural traversal and drake. If you do play hunt signet, use the signet trait.

You look weird idk why

In wvw, it depends on the build. The build I am playing in this video is very bad, and power untamed doesn't get all that much better. Celestial untamed is very good in wvw, one of the best builds rn. But its also insanely boring to play. In spvp, untamed is an ok ranked spec but I don't think its meta. Compared to vindi and spellbreaker, untamed is worse and also countered by both.

Oh really?Didnt know that cele untamed was that good. I suppose Dagger/Dagger and which secondary weaponset?​@@sylver4494 Really nice Clips Mate.Keep it up

@@meemigemeemes7875 the weapons are axe/warhorn and staff. Dagger/warhorn is okay for duels into some matchups, but against most things axe is much better. If you happen to be fighting a renegade with permanent proj hate, swap to dagger warhorn. I no longer really play it, so over patches I don’t really know which pets and traits/gear are best in slot, so that will be something you have to figure out for yourself. But most likely the traitlines are nature magic, wilderness survival, untamed.

Really like the comments, they add a lot of value to the video for me. Balance is important. I'm no fan of ppl reading the skill/trait tool tips aloud. I want to understand the why/your opinions, not just listen to what I can read myself or gameplay without comments on thoughts and decisions. Would be great if the comments show a bit longer. Had to pause and rewind a couple of times now.

@@mogsvei5255 thank you for the feedback! I was thinking they might need to be longer, but because of comments having multiple parts I felt like if they were longer some parts would show at the wrong times. I’ll experiment in the future.

​@@sylver4494 I like the commentary too. It does feel a little awkward to look away from the action and read the text before it disappears. If you want to make it super easy to follow, you could freeze-frame for comments, or just put the text closer to the center of the screen. Freeze-frame would be higher effort of course, but idk, maybe there's a quick way to do that kind of edit. You wouldn't necessarily have to do it for every comment either, maybe just when there's a lot happening.

Good stuff man! I like the commentary as well. Some do disappear quite fast, either maybe fade em in/out to give em some more screen time or decreasing a bit the text size to fit some more in at one time, giving a good reason to leave it on screen longer. Nonetheless, always fun to see your stuff, keep it going!

I still think that would be very strong, but much more manageable. I personally think it should just be removed, I liked it more when hybrid builds mixed a lot of stats to get their desired hybrid stats. But hey if they removed toughness, I for sure would not be complaining.

@sylver4494 Yeah I agree that mixing different stat sets was a better time. It is unfortunate how far Cele outclasss so many of the tri-stat options, and even the quad-stat ones too. If I could truly have it my way, I would like a return to tri-stat options only, but with more combos available. Sadly that will never happen but it's a nice dream lol.

@@ZaShaloc Fully agree with that, the rune changes and dragons/cele stats have almost completely kicked 3 stat gear out of the meta. Even power builds are being power crept by stats now and its very sad to see.

I am bronze rank tho… :/

gw2skills.net/editor/?POwEYiNsMC2DDk1xMxi+a/lVy5SD-DWhYBRdTICExggmD6tQyMsatA6NTl6yQCE43/kEAbR/RLA-w The one in the video I think was an older pure 1 shot version, this build I developed for roaming. I think its pretty good, and it is a build I would keep on an equip template in case I ran into something really tanky that I thought this build could bunker bust. Like harbinger, renegade, bladesworn. Things that couldn't be killed by my normal builds. The build is somewhat boring to play, as its defense is the high stealth uptime and you only do damage every once in a while. But with good mobility, decent sustain, and high as fuck burst damage the build is strong.

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The untamed build I play is one I find fun, but I would only say it’s ok. It has the tools it needs to be viable, but I think that objectively there are much better and much easier options. Its pretty much the older spvp roaming build. Untamed as a whole however, is without a doubt one of the best and easiest specs to play right now. While I don’t know exactly who I have fought are running, I have run into some untamed builds that are insanely strong, it’s harder to kill than harbinger although it does not have as much damage and pressure. I can guess at what they run, but since I do not enjoy the playstyle the builds present I might miss some key details and choices they make that greatly improve the build.

@@sylver4494 all Cele it is then! /s Thanks for your take :)

@@sylver4494 mind sharing the build? Curious on the take of a more experienced Ranger player The huge crutch I can't do without is Speed signet. There's stronger utilities I probably could run, but the runspeed is absolutely massive

@@MyFoolMind If you are talking about the build I fought recently, my best guess is this gw2skills.net/editor/?POwEwEmpMDmHrjFycxjbyOuVy5SD-DWJYgR3fhkZq0bAGdVZ7lgAEwe4to/oFA-w What doesn't make sense in my head is this guy might stacked more than I think this build is capable of, so its possible he ran the command elite instead of the cantrip one. It is also possible he wasn't wilderness survival and instead he was beastmastery (with different sigils than agility), but idk if that setup can have perma prot like he had. I didn't see protect me used, but I know for certain he had the other two stunbreaks, I wasn't really paying attention to his build I didn't really want to fight him lol because he was just immortal.

@@sylver4494 I meant yours more than the immortal opponent, but it's an interesting approach for sure. I'd sttill tend towards a more offensive approach when playing Untamed tbh

In reality the solution to this problem isn’t about gear stats, it’s about math. This was an argument that I heard after this video was made and posted, but if the math behind power skills and conditions were changed we could solve a lot of problems. Right now you can invest only a bit into power or conditions but get a meaningful amount of damage out of them. Damage in this game needs to be high scaling and low baseline, we can even keep damage in general about the same as it is now just the math has to be different. This probably won’t ever be done tho, this change would only be relevant to wvw roaming and it would be very time consuming to implement. So the easiest solution that will make this problem manageable is cele gear. And without cele there are still builds that keep high damage builds in check, people just forget about all the effective bunkers that exist without cele stats because cele stats do the same thing but with more damage/pressure.

@@sylver4494 oh absolutely. I'd argue that Cele is the new bunker meta only due to the fact that damage is a fun thing to do all in all, understandably so. About the way skills work and the power vs condition disparity, the fact that condi needs two stats for performance and power really needs three, with weakness and protection both working against power way more than cleansing or reso, creates a whole environment where I feel the discussion could take place for the overall pve experience aswell. Things like blindness allow for skill espression and decision making. There should be more things like these spread throughout instead of blanketing buffs that make the boon system a necessary evil, as you pointed out.

@@MyFoolMind I wish that condition weapons had no conditions on their auto attacks and that the "condition on crit" were good traits and that is how condition builds got their sustained damage. Rn conditions are far too spammy. I think that blinds are a bit too easy to come by as well, but overall I agree that they are more skill based in nature. This game has a lot of issues, while I think cele is the biggest one even with it gone there are plenty of things that need to be done in. All the gamemodes have issues tbh. Speaking of pve, I also think celestial shouldn't exist there either but since its not annoying a program with how overpowered it is its not that much of an issue.

Honestly thank your for your comment, this is the kind of discussion I was hoping to have. First Ill give a brief look at celestial soulbeast, it has more healing, damage reduction, boon access (not only because of the increased boon duration, but other traits/skills it takes as well). And as for defensives, it has very similar stealth uptime. It stealths for longer than sic em but less often. And they both have similar mobility. The burst is also at 1200-900 range, compared to sic ems 1200 range burst. (point blank shot is 1200 range). It is possible you just have never encountered the build I showcased in this video, but trust me it is much tankier and harder to kill. I can go into more detail if you like, but the only advantage sic em has is its block. Which is outweighed heavily by the sustain and damage reduction that boonbeast has. But unless you would like us to debate more on this point, trust me as someone who has abused both builds that cele boonbeast is much stronger than sic em. Now lets talk about the build examples, mainly catalyst. Catalyst still is a big issue in wvw balance wise but it is harder to play than other celestial builds so people dont gravitate towards it as much. And for your argument about how it was also overtuned in spvp, they were overtuned for different reasons. FA catalyst arguably being one of the strongest builds in spvp history was not nearly as overpowered in wvw. I would argue that in wvw it wasn't even overperforming, but its celestial variants still are. I would argue that the reason it sees less play now is because it is harder to play than the other overpowered celestial builds. Why play catalyst when harbinger is not only better but easier? Doesn't mean that catalyst isnt strong still and doesn't deserve nerfs, it just means its not in favor. And while celestial gives more might to many specs, I would argue that harbinger does not benefit much damage wise from the might it gets. Its might duration gets extended by like 2s... If it didn't have the boon duration I honestly believe it would not affect much. But that is just one build, but looking at other builds we see 5-10 more might stacks based off the boon duration from celestial. And even without might altogether, the damage celestial builds put out is too much for how much sustain or defense they have. Dagger mirage, Celestial thief, Celestial untamed/druid and berserker are all examples of celestial builds that do a lot of damage without much might while still being very tanky. Celestial is not the only issue in wvw, something I didnt really touch on in this video because I didnt think it was relevant to the point I was making is that I think shadow arts daredevil is the most overpowered build in wvw. More overpowered than celestial. Why is this not relevant? Because it is not the biggest issue, more builds are unbalanced because of celestial. And while we can all agree that thief is cancer, us all agreeing on that point makes making a video on it meaningless. Celestial being removed would solve the most amount of issues and unbalance in the game with one change, because the thief meta can easily be balanced. Literally one trait being removed is all it would take, then we dont have any big issues with thief anymore. Thief being overpowered does not mean that celestial isnt, and I think celestial is the biggest issue because the most amount of builds and interactions are made unfun because of it. And even if celestial and that one trait were removed, we have more issues to tackle as well. But with celestial gone, even the few thief abusers I meet aren't killing my fun as much as the endless amount of celestial players are. Bad thief players are much easier to kill than bad celestial players. And for solo roaming dying, I am apart of the camp who thinks it is dying. And while I may have joined at the wrong time to really have an opinion on it, most of the players i have noticed quitting arent thief players. Most of my in game friends who quit or play periodically dont play thief, and all the thief players I know still play actively. Anecdotal for sure, but most of the players i know who quit or play less blame celestial for it. Not thief. And thief isnt the other reason for them quitting, its just them burning out on the game as a whole.

@@sylver4494 man i don't know it seems like our experiences are like the day and the night.. totally different.. Celestial soulbeast, celestial thief? celestial Druid? Like where the hell you find those people? i found like 2 celestial soulbeast in my life or something...and like 1 thief. Celestial druid is not a thing in general i believe. Mesmers are a thing, but they are kinda useless.. they just spam invuln, stealth and they don't do any real damage. They just exist without posing any real threat... the old condi mirage and the even older 1 shot core mesmer were a MUCH bigger threat that this joke. The only catas i've found after the nerf were power or cannon fodders. Harbringer is straight up broken, nothing to argue here... cele harbringer has literally perma quickness and perma protection.. that's the definition of OP. Willbender, same idea pretty much... if i take target 1 cele willbender, he has all the boons in the game all the time. But seriously i don't really care other for celes other than that... no joke. And how do u find.. so many celes anyway? most people i find are power.. always and forever. it's just that the fight against them is not as memorable as a long ass cele duel. A bad cele will suck big time also btw... if you are fighting 2-3 people, and 1 of them is a bad cele... u don't even notice that he is there, he doesn't know how to do damage. A power soulbeast however, no matter how bad he is, if he stays at 1500 range and just 1-1-1 with one wolf pack on, he poses a threat still. i think most people try to look at the matter around the equally skilled 1v1 duels too much. But 95% of roaming, is not that. Most of the time u fight outnumbered against relativly worse players. Now a few words about the thief problem. Again, our experiences seem to be day and night. I also had tons of friends revolving around roaming. Guess what they were all playing? thiefs. Now they are all gone and they are ofc blaming the celestial for that... they can't 1 shot from perma stealth anymore and that bothers them. The only reason i want cele to stay is basically cus it supresses a very abusive spec, the overpowered daredevil. If cele gets removed, it has to go hand to hand with the "death" of daredevil as well. Otherwise we will have to deal with a daredevil only wvw roaming meta as we have for many years. I find it more fun to fight against different classes and specs than only 1 abusive-overpowered spec... So the way i see it, Celestial is a necessary evil that came to supress a worse evil. IF both evils are to be removed, i am 100% fine. If only 1 of them gets removed, we just return to a previous problem... There is a reason why the so called roaming guilds were basically thief guilds. you say that mentioning the thiefs is not the point of the video, but my main arguement is basically this. Cele supresses thiefs, and i think it's good.

@@akhsdenlew1861 Many of the specs mentioned people do not play because there are better and easier specs to play, namely harbinger. And everyone who does not play cele in my experience is grouped up, hugging some kind of objective, or will run from any 1v1 fight. Even some of the people just mentioned use cele and do the same behavior. And I will say this, your experience with cele is clearly influenced by constantly fighting bad players. Many of the best celestial builds are still not publicly known because they are not as simple as harbinger and the people looking for something overpowered to play wont want to take the time to discover the builds and pick them up. Catalyst doesn't really see play anymore, but that is because the easy versions of it lack mobility. The mobile catalyst is harder to play but trust me it is still very strong. I don't run into many boonbeasts or mesmers that give me trouble, but trust me the builds exist and are very overpowered when played well. And while a bad power soulbeast is going to be more of a threat 1vx than 1v1, it does not change the fact that boonbeast is still a lot stronger and when played well it is unkillable unless you are cele yourself. And I disagree with the bad cele is just a "bad cele", often times a bad cele player is who is giving me the most trouble in a 1vx fight compared to the bad power players. Because of recent design with specs and traits, celestial builds are a lot more spammy than power builds. And I don't think celestial or thief will ever be nerfed in wvw, I simply do not think anet cares enough about roaming balance and I think that they personally like how it all works right now. Anet has a false misonception that celestial benefits new players, but as we can tell from your comment the average bad player does not make celetial look op. its the good players who know what they are doing and will take the time to find and learn the slightly hidden and harder to play build options. But if celestial were nerfed, thief would not be far behind. P.S I say played well for a lot of the celestial builds, but in reality it just means the player knows the build well enough to actually know what the buttons are. Things like boonbeast are still unkillable even with the player random dodging and doing a lot of other bullshit bad players do, but as long as they dont panic they wont die. As someone who has played the build and tested it in duels, dying was simply a choice unless I was fighting was fighting some other cele aids bullshit.

@@sylver4494 " in my experience is grouped up, hugging some kind of objective, or will run from any 1v1 fight. Even some of the people just mentioned use cele and do the same behavior." Definetly agree with this, which is the main reason why some good players have also turned into the celestial side... to fight against this kind of behavior... the alternative is to go in groups as well or just jump into completly unwinnable scenarios ( objectivly speaking) and get your butt kicked 95% of the time... which is something that i have done and trust me, it gets discouraging and exhausting pretty quickly. "Many of the best celestial builds are still not publicly known because they are not as simple as harbinger and the people looking for something overpowered to play wont want to take the time to discover the builds and pick them up. Catalyst doesn't really see play anymore, but that is because the easy versions of it lack mobility." It could be true, i myself play a very rare celestial build that i've LITERALLY never seen before and there are 0 videos in youtube with that build included... But how many of those people you will run into while roaming? 2 times per week? 3? In my experience the TRUE overpowered builds are also the most popular builds.. and not only in roaming ofc... but in every gamemode. Roaming is just a small cateogry of 1 of the gamemodes, and that rule applies there as well. If noone plays catalyst right now.. it means that the class is not good enough for the masses to pick it up. If 2 or 3 GODLIKE players with years of experience on elementalist are able to freaking destroy everything with cata, it doesn't mean anything to me... The problem was the pre-nerf cata, when everyone could just take cata into roaming and have a 100% to win against everything... Now, this simply doesn't apply in my personal experience.. so i have no problems with it. I do have problems with harbringer and ironically even more so with willbender ( both cele builds and in my opinion the best builds in the game right now). But honestly other than that... i don't really care, i don't even meet those other celestials that you say...i don't know where you are meeting them... With the exception of harb and willbender, the rest of the fights i get are.. people grouped up with power builds and even a full minstrel support with them.. One of the most common solo roamers i've found lately , is the druid... i find a lot of druids lately so there is obviously something interesting happening there, but all the druids i asked are a mix of trailblazers and apothetcary gear... so they are not the point of this conversation. Look i see where you are coming from...i really do... What really worries me and surprises me is how the hell you prefered the previous thief exclusive meta instead of this one? Don't you prefer to just meet... multiple classes and specs instead of just 1?

@@akhsdenlew1861The thing is if harbinger and willbender were nerfed people would just go to the next easiest and strongest cele build. Most likely berserker, but you could stop this chain by killing celestial. After celestial is dead, there are maybe 10 builds that I think need to be nerfed, then overall we have a pretty healthy roaming state. Some builds would be better than other obviously, but it would be very manageable. A lot of these can be solved by nerfing 1 trait or traitline, defense on warrior for example being nerfed would solve all the balance issues warrior has if celestial were also dead. And to touch on druid, yes most people use trail+apoth, I have tested that setup and I do not think it is better than cele. People run that because that is what a UA-camr paper roll runs, but in my testing cele is just better. And yes I prefer what I played as a thief meta to the current one, because the meta I remember pre cele was very fun and I was not running into mostly thieves. I remember a lot of warriors, rangers, heralds, weavers, and dragon hunters as well as thief. And like I stated earlier, a bad thief player is much easier to kill than a bad cele player. The biggest point in my video is how much of a nightmare cele is to balance around, the fact that it abuses every part of the game makes it impossible to target cele without targeting things that don’t need nerfs in the crossfire. And also without celestial I don’t think a thief meta would be as bad as you think it is, bad thieves are gatekept by soulbeast, bladesworn, and vindicator. Of course a good thief will beat all of these but it’s not like a bad thief will just kill anything. And in my opinion fighting a class that I can kill if they fuck up royally is much better than fighting a bunch of classes that literally do not die if they are at their keyboard.

He is not him :(

He used a skill called rocket boots, and while it wasn't off a cliff it was on a steep ledge and I already had him on low-ish hp from arrow shots. So yes, he jumped to his 💀

Bruh your words are too kind, thank you man!

@@sylver4494 Just the truth bro!

Wassup danger

P herald is ok but insanely hard to play, vindicator is brain dead and broken.

@@sylver4494 broken means op or too bad? :)

@@coldwind8327 it means op

Which one? There are two different builds in this video.

@@sylver4494 the greatsword one would bei nice. Thx für your time :-)

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@@sylver4494 thank you for the build. I will try it.

i tried it and get way better results as before :-) Are you also willing to share the "warhornbuild"? Are you prefere longbow/greatsword or longbow/sword+warhorn?

Just in case you didn't notice, that was a 1v3! Cele isnt overpowered :)

@@sylver4494 balanced as all stats should be. Honestly, I’m surprised you were able to 1vX with Cele. I think it needs buffs. We need more content creators showing how weak and high skill it is. Why would anyone play anything other than this primo high skill stat?

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Maybe one day

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@@sylver4494 oh please you’re the guild mouse

Smc my queen!

Thank you for the kind words! Editing was done by Krytical Error, go check him out if you havent already :)

You can play it but you will lack damage when you fight other celestial builds. There are celestial boonbeast builds that do as much damage as sic em while being tankier and easier to play and they are what I would recommend.

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