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FF7R [GMV] - Synchronicity - Cloud and Aerith Forever
A CLERITH EPIC ROMANCE (Cloud x Aerith)
Song: Synchronicity
Anime: Tsubasa Tokyo Revelations and Tsubasa Shunraiki (OVAS)
Artist: Amalee
Official Music Video: ua-cam.com/video/SsNPHT8OauA/v-deo.html
LeeandLie Channel: ua-cam.com/users/LeeandLie
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Footage is from the PS4 game Final Fantasy VII Remake and Final Fantasy Advent Children
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DISCLAIMER:
I don't own anything in this video, including audio and footage. The credits go to the respective owners. This video is purely fan-made, and will not be used for profit or illegal sharing.
Fair Use:
"Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing."
Song: Synchronicity
Anime: Tsubasa Tokyo Revelations and Tsubasa Shunraiki (OVAS)
Artist: Amalee
Official Music Video: ua-cam.com/video/SsNPHT8OauA/v-deo.html
LeeandLie Channel: ua-cam.com/users/LeeandLie
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Footage is from the PS4 game Final Fantasy VII Remake and Final Fantasy Advent Children
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DISCLAIMER:
I don't own anything in this video, including audio and footage. The credits go to the respective owners. This video is purely fan-made, and will not be used for profit or illegal sharing.
Fair Use:
"Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing."
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I apologize to the people expecting Part IV of the Complicit Relationship Series. But I have been uninspired lately... so sorry. I am trying to get my game back with music vids for now. Maybe hopefully I can release Part IV by Cloud's birthday. All footage is from the PS4 game Final Fantasy VII Remake and FF7: Advent Children Song: The Beginning - ONE OK ROCK Just give me a reason to keep my he...
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Signs of A Complicit Relationship Intermission: The Zacloud Fallacy [OG, CC & REMAKE SPOILERS]
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CLERITH: Signs of a Complicit Relationship -I have to create this intermission vid to explain this great misconception that Cloud has Zack's memories and feelings. PART I : What Aerith Means to Cloud ua-cam.com/video/r9T3PLSDX2A/v-deo.html PART II: What Cloud Means to Aerith ua-cam.com/video/HGFUnXl_D9g/v-deo.html PART III: Completing Each Others Missing Pieces ua-cam.com/video/wfFv0iVni9I/v-de...
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Cloud Loves Aerith *TRIGGER WARNING!* Clerith-centric topic [FF7 REMAKE SPOILERS]
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Listed are some events in the remake that portrays that Cloud Strife loves Aerith Gainsborough including some comparisons to how he deals with other characters. This ultimately proves that they are the One True Pair (OTP). It also includes some Tifa Lockheart Scenes that are relevant to show us the extent of Cloud's feelings. 00:00 Intro 00:05 Accepts to be a bodyguard for one date 00:50 Acts c...
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AC Cloud x Aerith story. Clerith tragic love. Let us change this fate! I'm not really a huge fan of AC/ACC which is why I never made vids about it. It's not that I don't understand why he was depressed because I do, I just didn't like that they had to introduce geostigma to the story and make his situation worse. Seeing Cloud fall further into depression made me hate the world. But the Remake i...
FF7 Remake - Cloud Evolution Part 2 [SPOILERS]
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The evolution of Cloud Strife through Aerith. If anyone says this girl is not leaving a huge imprint into his hear and soul dead or alive, then they have no eyes! DISCLAIMER: I don't own anything in this video, entire footage is from the PS4 game Final Fantasy VII Remake. The credits go to its creators. This video is purely fan-made, and will not be used for profit or illegal sharing. Fair Use:...
FF7 Remake - Cloud Evolution Part 1 [SPOILERS]
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The evolution of Cloud Strife through Aerith. If anyone says this girl is not leaving a huge imprint into his hear and soul dead or alive, then they have no eyes! DISCLAIMER: I don't own anything in this video, entire footage is from the PS4 game Final Fantasy VII Remake. The credits go to its creators. This video is purely fan-made, and will not be used for profit or illegal sharing. Fair Use:...
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Cloud falls into Aerith's church. (Cloud x Aerith) DISCLAIMER: I don't own anything in this video, entire footage is from the PS4 game Final Fantasy VII Remake. The credits go to its creators. This video is purely fan-made, and will not be used for profit or illegal sharing. Fair Use: "Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purpose...
FF7R CloudxAerith Moment 1 - Fateful Encounter [SPOILERS]
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FF7R [GMV] - Hollow - The Price of One Date [Ending Edited/SPOILERS]
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FF7R [GMV] - Hollow - The Price of One Date [Ending Edited/SPOILERS]
FF7R [GMV] - Hollow - The Price of One Date [SPOILERS]
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FF7R [GMV] - Hollow - The Price of One Date [SPOILERS]
Years later and i still love this amv
she ask the impossible
i mean who wouldnt
I don't know if I have my japanese wrong, but I believe I heard the words "blue" and "bike" in the japanese lyrics🎌
嘘 一つ 愛を 二つ (One lie, two measures of love) それでなんとかやりすごしてきたでしょう? (You’ve somehow managed to get by with that, haven’t you?) でもそれじゃもう僕をだませないでしょう? (But that’s not enough to fool me anymore, is it?) These lyrics convey how the speaker confronts their inability to continue living in denial. 描きたがりな未来に明日はない (A future that's eager to be drawn has no tomorrow) いっそどうせ痛むなら (If it’s going to hurt anyway) 痛め続けよう 続けよう (Let’s keep hurting, keep going) These lyrics convey how speaker refuses to chase empty dreams and instead chooses to face their reality head-on, even if it means enduring pain continuously.
Do you plan on making a rebirth version of this or nah
I did start one but real life caught up with me again. I still want to if I can get the time.
@@PollenAinne understandable, hopefully life gets easier for you
Ah yes, ff7 fandom and lack of media literacy. So glad videos like these exist, maybe more people will think a little deeper on the things the story is actually telling them. Great video.
Cloud and Aerith are the ship.😭 This video is proof. I feel like in rebirth they messed the writing up. They don’t know what ship they want to go with. Its weird because Cloud bonds so much with Aerith then in the second game kisses Tifa like what is going on. 💀 Its like all the bonding and lore and everything they went through the writers just forgot about it and suddenly now its Cloud and Tifa. 😭 the writing is so bad im sorry💀 the devs of final fantasy cater this game towards loser men who want goofy anime love triangle harem waifu stuff and cloud the protagonist is out here messing around with two different women😭☹️💀 (thats my take tbh) Not all players are losers but based on what ive seen😭 there’s definitely a pattern though because what. 😕 Like how are you gonna set up Cloud and Aerith together so much lore and bonding and everything then suddenly switch it to Cloud and Tifa like what😭 Its so confusing and makes no sense. My only answer would have to be its just losers (no offense to anyone im not trying to eb mean) Who have weird fantasies idk💀 no wonder why its called final fantasy. 😞 yea they need to keep it at final😭
lol! They are playing on the LT, but it's still Cloud and Aerith.
@@PollenAinne Yeah you’re right! Now looking at it I totally ranted in my comment(😀)but yeah I agree!😄 And looking at the songs for each game like Cloud’s song hollow and how its about Aerith and aerith’s song No promises to keep and how its about cloud like they both sing about eachother and looking at it its so obvious the ship is cloud and aerith! They definitely are playing on the long term. Im guessing cloud and tifa exists because its a rpg and the player can choose different love interests but i feel like canonly its definitely Cloud and Aerith. Like their songs are clearly about eachother and the way both of them interact even its so different. Theres so much chemistry. I love Clerith and im glad its still that. 😭❤️ I love your vids by the way and I hope you have a good day! :)
When they kissed on the Ferris wheel it wasn’t canon. So it technically never happened. Neither of the Ferris wheel dates were canon, but if any date HAD to be canon it was Aerith’s. And I’m not saying that cause I like Aerith more it’s because hers actually adds more plot to the story.
@@DailyFluid Ahh gotcha!And oh i didnt know that that the dates on the ferris wheel gondola whatever you call it(😀) I didnt know it wasnt canon! That makes sense hahah thank you for clearing that up! 😊 And yeah I agree!
I can't believe this video is 4 years old and there are ppl that are again saying this shit... but again, they're like this for decades... they just don't want to admit Cloud is his own person with his own feelings and memories and they don't want to admit he actually LOVES Aeris. Thank you so much Pollen, I love all your videos :) and this complicit relationship series is wholesome 💗
wow ok, I'm not a fan of this game, but was confused by cloud being loved by two girls, now this clip made it clear who really loved him and who was under the influence of his "change."
Recall the tender words Cloud’s mother once shared with him, describing the kind of woman who would be the perfect match to walk beside him. Those words her said: ""I've never been so proud The man you've become.. Woman must be hounding you day and night. You know, there's all kinds of temptations in the big city. I'd feel alot better if i knew you'd found a good girl-one who'd make sure you didnt get into trouble. An older, more mature girl that could keep you on the straight and narrow-and tell you when you're being a silly goose That's the perfect type for you, i'd say" In my heart, I know those words paint a flawless picture of Aerith-a truth so evident, it leaves no room for doubt. Cloud and Aerith, their destinies intertwined as if crafted by the stars themselves. Yet, the question remains-whether they can truly be together lingers unanswered, shrouded in the heavy mist of fate
I don't see anything from this game that makes me think Cloud wants to be with Aerith. All I see is a desperate lonely girl that is missing her boyfriend. Cloud tried to leave her house and go on about his business. Your interpretations of their conversations are misleading and inaccurate.
Lmao what 💀 This is insane copium. Aerith is the most important character, and the creators have stated again and again how all of her lines have a special meaning. It's not that simple. Media illiteracy is a huge problem among some people in this fanbase istg.
@@elitahimura@elitahimura I never said she wasn't important. What are you talking about? Aerith and Cloud are the heroes we all know that. But to make it look like Cloud is so in love with her is ridiculous. Not once in any game has Cloud ever said or done anything for anyone to think he's romantically interested in Aerith.
Cloud literally asked her if she was okay getting back home and was ready to bring her all the way back after knowing her for only a day. When they leave Sector 8 together, "Midnight Rendezvous" plays and the scene is described as "one of the more romantic moments in the game" in the Ultimania. Cloud looked absolutely smitten when he saw her in the red dress. Guy then broke into the shinra building just to get her back when pretty much every other characters was against it at first. What did you expect an awkward guy like Cloud to do after knowing her for a few days? Tell her he loves her and propose?
6:43 so close she could almost kiss him It breaks my heart knowing what happens in the end of the first part of the game. I wish they can give us a satisfying ending with Cloud and Aerith. By replaying the scenes I see the differences between Cloud being with Aerith and Tifa
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I like to think that the reason he told Barret to take Aerith somewhere safe was because he didn't want her in a place that holds all her trauma that no one wants to relive.
It always confuses me how some people can be so against light teasing in a relationship. I know it's partially a cultural thing and many American folks seem to think it's a sign of disrespect, but it's not. It grounds us, it allows us to be completely honest with one another and it also inspires us to be better people and ultimately, makes us happy through laughter. Aerith and Cloud are a perfect example of this.
I do love these two but now Zack alive ... I'm back to team Zack/Aerith.
I still need rebirth!!!
I get you, Buddy 😢. I also have my Aerith
Just binged through your all your content and I love all the details you pick up on! just wondering if you could add rebirth analysis' too
Love your channel! Come back and make more videos of cloud and aerith 😢😢😢😢❤
I do believe you Aerith, I just really, really want that material!
It is amazing to see Cloud's change, and all this happens because Aerith is there for him, causing her influence to make him a better person.
It's impressive how Cloud's body language shows us how important Aerith is to him, in addition to starting to change and do things he would never have done.
4 years later and still no part 4 or Rebirth vids. I hope you're doing well. This series felt like the scene in Ratatouille where the critic is taken back to their childhood.
Seriously, trigger warning? Afraid to offend some Clotzies?
She died she is not canon lol😂
"She's dead" is the like the most stupid argument I ever heard for a love interest being "not canon." You don't stop loving someone because they died.
Pollen Ainne... I haven't played any game, but watching part of it from a Twitch stream made me interested in one thing: Aerith. This person stuck in my brain, it really took just a few moments for me to like her. I haven't played it but I'm in love with Aerith. I also researched Tifa for being the most popular, but it's not the same for me. Thanks to your videos I now know that the path I would take would be with Aerith. No regrets. Looking forward and moving forward. In the end it's about how I connected with this story, so it's my decision, right? Thank you so much!!
I love how you said enough of tifa XD My thoughts exactly every time she is in a cutscene.
Tifa on all fours inside that carriage, with that huge cleavage, and Cloud looking her straight in the yes will never not be funny lol
Nobody will ever read this, but it's important to note that Cloud's personality in Acts 1 and 2 of the OG is so similar to 'revived' Cloud in Act 3 that discussion of any differences is essentially academic. Revived Cloud is slightly less cocky, and a bit more self-effacing, but the Cloud we see in Acts 1 + 2 is, for all intents and purposes, 'true Cloud.' When people talk about Aerith loving Cloud because she thinks he's Zack, or is too similar to Zack, it's an enormous red flag that they don't understand two critical points: 1) Zack in the OG is basically a non-character - he has like 10 lines of dialogue in total. It isn't at all clear what he's like. His only purpose in the story is to serve as a model for Cloud to mimic (mostly in body language) and a driver for the '5 years ago' part of the plot. And 2) even in the OG, Aerith is very clear that, while she still thinks about Zack and wonders what happens to him, she has moved on (she is even more explicit about this in Remake and Rebirth, flat-out telling Cloud in the latter that she has fallen in love with him). Cloud's illness is defined by a) his obsession with Sephiroth, and inability to grasp the meaning of or avoid the Reunion (and thus hand Sephinova the black materia), and b) refusing to acknowledge the enormous gaps in his own memory. He isn't living Zack's life - he's just using Zack's existence as 'generic soldier first class' to prop up his battered ego and block confronting the horrors of having been Hojo's test subject. That's it. This makes narrative sense, since it would be disconcerting if, upon his retrieval from the lifestream, Cloud turned into a completely different character. The writers in the OG knew they couldn't do this - it would be like permakilling the hero, and inserting a doppelganger into his place. So Cloud mostly just is who he is throughout the tale, albeit with some slight tweaks. Cloud throughout the story is the 'real' Cloud. He's just slightly confused about his past and motives for 2/3rds of the story. Thus, even in the OG (and certainly in Remake/Rebirth), the person that Aerith is falling for is Cloud - not 'Zack' or 'Cloud's interpretation of Zack.'
Would love to see part IV along w/new videos that look at the developments from Rebirth. Can't wait for the third game.
Since the game has those options that can make you have a different outcome depending on your choices, why cant it be the same for love interests? Cmon tifa and cloud KISSED i aint denying they're relationship but people shouldn't deny Aeriths and clouds too
Is part 4 ever coming? 😢 Also, new to ff7 and know enough about the lore and im obsessed with this coiple depsite never playing the game. Anyways, whats this whole thing about rebirth i see everyone mention???
That title, I agree. Aerith is life. And Cloud looks like he's in a garage band with some other boys.
Even though Aerith is dead, we have proof that Aerith and Cloud love each other and that gives me peace.
All these moments they shared are so beautiful. I bet none of the true clerith fans would swap those with one kiss that doesnt have weight in the story plot 😊
They're gonna turn out to be cousins. Ya'll nasty.
I am really excited for your rebirth analyze looking forward to it keep up the good work 👏❤️
Hey, came here after a grief state post rebirth and loved your videos. You should increment these series considering the events from the new game. There's a lot more to cover and the cloti folks are coming with Full force
Even after rebirth people still are into this nonsense, specialy to invalidate cloud and aerith's feelings in the "dream date. I think you should do a new series of this vídeos considering rebirth. There's a Lot more to cover and the cloti people are getting really toxic
Aerith❤️🩹sie passt zu Cloud. Die nimmt und mag ihn,wie er ist
I hope you don't mind me re-visiting this particular topic, even though it's been years. So I am in agreement with the premise of the video that Cloud and Tifa were not close friends in childhood, which was revealed in the Lifestream. But what may be overlooked from Pollen's interpretation of the sequence is how Tifa played no small part in keeping up the appearance of being 'childhood friends' with Cloud until the Lifestream showed otherwise. Though to be fair, Pollen (and some commenters) made some the same points I'm going to make in the Zacloud Fallacy video. I want to try and be clear with my language in making the following claims. I don't think Tifa was intentionally deceiving Cloud for her own ends; this isn't a case of her lying to him about their relationship as kids when she knew that the reality was quite different. This feels more like her... how do I put this... imagining herself to be closer to Cloud as children than the actual reality after The Promise she got from him (about him being a SOLDIER and saving her if she ever was in danger)... and believing what she tells herself on the subject. To try and put this in as neutral a term as possible, she misled Cloud about the nature of their childhood relationship and she didn't even know she was misleading him. In hindsight, I don't think enough has been made of her (unintentional) deception or this keeping up the appearance of 'childhood friends', because it could explain why Cloud and Tifa's relationship feels so tense sometimes in the game(s) -- and in a bad way. Their desire to have banter and small talk that resemble close childhood friends FAR outpaces their actual ability to do so. It's not just a matter of them being shy and introverted (though that was certainly a factor); even if they weren't, they know so little about each other that there are very few common memories of childhood that could emotionally connect them in a good way. The only old memory I could think of that wasn't a negative experience was The Promise, which is doing a ton of work in convincing both that they had a significant and meaningfully positive relationship growing up. If you are just looking at their common memories before the start of the game, they include what Sephiroth did at Nibelheim (which is obviously scarring to the both of them) and their climb up Mount Nibel (which is also a bad experience for the both of them). The fact that Tifa unintentionally misled Cloud, in making him think he's her childhood friend, could also explain why their relationship continues to be rocky after the OG, AC, DoC and perhaps beyond. Even if you take away the grief and depression that comes from Aerith's death (which was something that obviously weighed heavily on Cloud), by Case of Tifa Cloud knows full well that he was living with a woman who passed herself off as his close childhood friend when she was only his acquaintance/neighbour in the village. I dunno, even if one takes the wider context or the legitimately good reasons why she did so (like her looking out for Cloud when she sees that he isn't alright when they first met and that his memories are jumbled), that just feels like a major betrayal of trust that will likely take years and years and years to rebuild (if at all). Cloud will obviously have his good days with her, but in the back of his mind he will always wonder what else she is keeping from him, what else she might not remember clearly that would come back to haunt them, or what else she isn't telling him. He still cares for her and doesn't wish ill on her, but there will always be that undercurrent of suspicion on his end. If you'd allow me to quote myself from a different video: 'That's why I think he [Cloud] continued to long for Aerith, at the end of OG and through to Advent Children. Things are far less complicated with Aerith. Cloud knows where he stands with her and vice versa'. I wonder if the Remake Trilogy is going to focus on Tifa's role in the misleading impression that she was childhood friends with Cloud, the consequences that come from keeping up that appearance, and her having to answer for it in some shape or form. In the OG, Cloud admits that he was living in an illusion of his own making. But now that I really think about it with the evidence I have on hand, he wasn't the only one... and that other person never had to come to terms on the matter.
Cloud NEVER blamed Tifa and neither have I. It was never Tifa's fault, and neither is it the fault of the other kids. I think people are too easy to lay blame, but no one person is responsible for someone else. Tifa was never Cloud's keeper. She was not responsible of understanding his thoughts and feelings. She was just a kid herself. However, the reason why I have included this in my video is because we are talking about Cloud's psyche and how Aerith's pushy nature would actually open him up more instead of Tifa's reserved nature. Because altho no one is to blame, it all boils down to compatibility and that people like Cloud need people like Aerith and vice versa.
@@PollenAinne I actually agree at some level! Cloud didn't blame Tifa for the consequences that came from her passing herself off as his childhood friend when she wasn't. He probably understood, even appreciated, why she did what she did, and he probably didn't hold it against her when she didn't reveal to him her memories of Nibelheim or his not being a SOLDIER (at least in the OG). I cannot stress enough how Tifa isn't trying to hurt Cloud when she was withholding important things from him; she earnestly thought she was doing what was best for him and his interest. I think it's just a matter of understanding someone's actions on an intellectual level but not doing the same at an emotional level. It's forgiving someone when they said 'I did what I had to do', but not forgetting. I think that's where Cloud is with Tifa by the end of OG. He trusts her enough on a few things later on, like taking care of Denzel or even when they worked together to get his delivery service up and running. But there are other things he doesn't trust her with, like his guilt and depression that comes from thinking about Aerith and her death. You are right- Tifa isn't Cloud's keeper when they were children and she shouldn't be expected to be that.... but that doesn't apply as well when they met as adults, when she took him into her care and could not share that burden with anyone else. That was the role she chose to assume when she gave herself the job to not only nurse him back to health but to also help sort his memories out. She did that for various reasons, from her attraction to him to a desire to hold onto a piece of her past life in Nibelheim, but the fact she took him in at her own expense is to her credit! But this responsibility also comes with it a ton of difficult questions as to when they need to have some really hard conversations about Cloud's memories. And whatever choices Tifa makes in either revealing or not revealing something (and they are all hard choices with no good or easy answers), they will be seen in a less positive light in comparison to how Aerith was far more capable of getting to the bottom of Cloud's memory problems. I guess 'suspicion' is too strong a word for me to describe what Cloud could feel towards Tifa by the end of OG. Maybe something with a little less edge like 'wary' or 'guarded' is more applicable. And I think that's a perfectly reasonable response from Cloud! He will still care about Tifa, but it's not the same as loving her the way she wants him to. I am sympathetic to the premise that shy and reserved people will have a hard time communicating with one another, but I don't want to overstate it. It's a bit of a stretch, but recall Cloud's conversation with Vincent in Advent Children. Vincent is nobody's idea of an extrovert, but their interactions are pretty smooth with them sharing notes about Kadaj, Geostigma and Jenova. It's alot of exposition... but then Cloud asks Vincent if he believes that sins can be forgiven. It's a moment of emotional connection because Vincent was in a similar situation to Cloud with Lucretia. Vincent says he never tried [to forgive himself], but it's enough for Cloud to start the slow process of forgiving himself. This is an example of two introverted and reserved characters talking with one another and one having something of an emotional revelation for the better. No, Vincent isn't a love interest to Cloud, but I can't help but ask why a quiet character like him is able to capably communicate with Cloud and have that 'can sins be forgiven' moment while Cloud's conversations with Tifa (another quiet and reserved character) is fraught with tension and can feel like they're going nowhere. On the one hand, Vincent had more to offer with his knowledge of Jenova, Geostigma and Kadaj. There's also the parallel between Cloud and Aerith with Vincent and Lucretia. But just as importantly? Cloud can take Vincent at his word because Vincent never tried presenting himself as someone or something that he wasn't. Tifa did, and she didn't even know she did until late into the OG (and probably the Remake trilogy too). That's the difference. Compatibility of personalities obviously plays a role in how characters can get along. But it's not the only factor. Character history with one another - good, bad, or lack thereof - plays a major role in that too.
@@ALostExplorer I will try to make this as brief as possible... 1) Good intentions aren't everything. Parents can also have good intentions for their kids and end up destroying their entire childhood. Friends can do this too, they can betray friends even with the best intentions. People aren't perfect so what we think is best isn't necessarily true. I don't think anyone is blaming Tifa for anything because we all know that in her heart she was doing her best to do the right thing. It still wasnt the best for Cloud. Also when it comes to good intentions, Aerith is just as guilty as Tifa. She didnt want to burden Cloud as well as the rest of the team and hence she took on the responsibily by herself and left Cloud with a broken heart. Not the best for Cloud either. 2) Compatibility is EVERYTHING. I think you might be misunderstanding what compatibility means. It's not about having an introvert paired to an extrovert, definitely not. In fact two introverts might be more compatible. In the case of Cloud and Tifa, what makes them incompatible is Cloud's defense machanism which makes him shut down instead of share his thoughts and feelings and Tifa's "nice girl" attitude, emotional sensitivity, and indicisiveness. Cloud is not an easy guy to love. You can count on him in a battle but he is a huge burden in a relationship when it comes to emotions. Aerith said it herself, Cloud has a fragile heart. And Tifa just can't hack it when he goes into his phases. They are good when he is at his best behaviour but when the going gets tough, they fall apart. And I would like to emphasize that this isnt Tifa's fault. She is not lacking or anything of the sort, she's just not compatible with Cloud as a lover. Period.
@@PollenAinne FWIW I don’t think our arguments are in conflict with one another. Both Cloud and Tifa can be incompatible personality-wise (which I agree with completely!) AND make choices that make it harder for them to get along romantically. Maybe one flows from the other or vice versa but they can both be true.
@@ALostExplorer Agree. Decisions definitely play a part, I am just more inclined to believe that certain decisions people make are already interwoven to their personalities and their past decisions they made. Altho it is true that at times we can break out of the mold and make surprising decisions that are opposite of what we would usually do. People can change for sure. But to expect this of partners is a huge rabbit hole a person should always try to avoid because the likelihood is you will just end up suffering.
I absolutely love your videos regarding Cloud and Aerith. Many people still wish to ship Cloud with Tifa, and that is okay if that is what they want to do. But I truly believe, just like you do, Cloud truly loves Aerith and she loves him. Cloud never loved anyone before and always pushed people away and put up his defenses, never letting anybody in. Being rejected and never fitting in as he grew up, he formed a protective barrier that kept people out. Tifa is also outside that barrier with Avalanche and everyone else. Aerith alone broke those barriers and saw the true Cloud.... a terrified, guarded, emotionally wounded troubled soul who just wanted to be accepted and loved like everyone else. Those that he grew up around always rejected him and made him feel like he was never wanted, just like it was depicted with Tifa and Avalanche rejecting him again and he didn't care because that is what he was used to. Aerith, being a powerful empath and a genuinely good hearted person, saw this in Cloud. She did not do this out of pity and sympathy, but she saw the person underneath all of those protective layers and wanted to love him and make him feel accepted and that he mattered to her just being who he was. He did not have to join SOLDIER or go out of the way to impress her. She loved him for him. I will always believe this to be the true canon. The Final Fantasy VII remake is a love story between cloud and aerith.
09:30 Jessie even seems to care and understand Cloud more than Tifa
I one hundred percent agree with this. The dialogue between Cloud and Tifa is almost always focused on events rather than personality - Aerith is constantly asking Cloud about his feelings, his past, and pushing him to try to do good; Tifa almost entirely avoids discussing Cloud's state-of-mind. While much of their dialogue is flirtatious, it doesn't ever approach any kind of emotional resonance like with Cloud and Aerith. In a nutshell, both Cloud and Tifa treat each other like 10-year-olds swinging their arms awkwardly and avoiding eye contact - it's very juvenile and unimpressive; Tifa either doesn't want to know what makes Cloud tick, or she doesn't care, and her most volatile reactions in his presences are spurred by jealousy... by being possessive. Cloud, she believes, rightfully *belongs* to her, even if she would be incapable or unwilling to explain why. At least Jessie respects Cloud as a man of action and few words; even if she isn't with Cloud long enough to recognize how troubled he is, she 'gets' the persona he is attempting to portray. Tifa doesn't even rise to this level.
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Bro are you still alive. Rebirth cameout where are your videos
It should be out this weekend.
@@PollenAinnei need your art work 😢
I don't think Aerith's & Cloud's relationship is complicit. In the real world Zack have already died 5yrs ago so someday Aerith would have to move on with her life & b happy again & shud stop grieving & mourning in Zack's memory bcoz that wud'nt make him come back. So Aerith's & Cloud's special bond is valid & the feeling's they have for each other wud b accepted by other's too.
OMG COVER REBIRTH!!! Please.
Need a bit of patience sorry, Rebirth is a much larger game.
@@PollenAinne Totally understandable. It's a lot of game.
Ugh… watching this after rebirth ending… I can’t 😢