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@@domsthepanda9594 I can’t remember which of my Def Leppard videos I commented it. i posted an unlisted video for anyone who wanted the Hysteria samples without reverb (no cymbals) if you look around the internet you may find the multitracks I used to copy the pyromania sounds. I’m not even sure if I have them anymore :/

Simmons electronic drums were not triggered by midi. I'm not sure you understand that midi was only first introduced into very few instruments starting in 1983, and it was the Jupiter 6 and prophet 600 keyboards. I'm not even sure where you came up with that. The theories on this get more wild every day. Do a little research before perpetuating them

@ from the Simmons-V Wikipedia page "Each module also had a 1/4" jack trigger input allowing triggering from various sources including the SDS-6 and even audio". I misspoke when I referred to this as midi triggering but the idea remains the same- an engine sound quite possibly triggered the first couple seconds. No need to be a dick about it. I'm not even saying I think the myth is true, I'm saying it doesn't even sound like you are setting it up correctly to attempt to debunk it.

@@RayleneSteves "quite possibly" according to what? there is zero documentation of that. Why would they do that as opposed to 1. playing it on the pads (how it was actually done) or 2. just recording an engine from the get-go. a lot of theories can be answered easily if you just ask "why?", in this case, "why would they go out of their way to do that?" sorry if my comments come off as being a dick. I take this seriously and don't just throw around ideas without any proof whether it be documentation or my own detailed tests. the first few seconds are completely playable and that has been demonstrated in dozens of covers.

@ "why?" Because it would be a fun, exciting and creative thing to do in the studio? Absolutely no shame in that. There are plenty of people who have photographed playing it but Alex Van Halen is not one of them.

@@RayleneSteves there's too much evidence that supports that alex played all of the intro himself in one take. if you don't see that, then I don't know what to tell you. theorize all you want but without evidence it means nothing.

maybe live, but that does not indicate what was going on in the studio. Engineers made drummers do all kinds of things in the studio to make not only the drums record easier, but the rest of the instruments. felt strip drums tuned to alex's pitch still had a lot of decay. that is not what you hear on VH1 or VH2 remember that Landee and Templeman only recorded Yacht rock around the time they were recording VH. a pillow in the kick or equivalent was common practice

ua-cam.com/video/5M5dZoKfGro/v-deo.html

@tanneryordan thanks 🎸👍

@@ChristianCline-c7x go to themightyvanhalen.net and look for 1984 bootlegs. he doesnt play the intro from the start, but he at least does the part right before the ride comes in. not to mention that his entire drum solo directly after was the same pattern (that everyone gets wrong) until he would do the buildup in speed on the Simmons tom. it sounds different because he is using Rototoms for the syncopated bit in the studio version, whereas the live version has all electronic drums.

Yeah, that's why I still think the roto-tom is overdubbed. It's an awesome intro, and it doesn't take away from the monster playing, but I just think that tom is overdubbed.

it was simply a test to prove I could do it. I prefer to test things against existing songs to compare before trying other tracks

Simmons mixed with Linndrum and some real drums/cymbals as well. Nobody was doing this stuff until Mutt did it!

@@Kylemuaythai47-y3q the song wasn’t recorded on the guitar from this footage regardless. it was recorded on his Ripley telecaster guitar with the stereo splitting capabilities.

sometimes. the FOUR bass drums were for show, but more often than not he was using double bass drums. the single pedal came in the 90s and he alternated off and on with the single and double pedals for the rest of his career

Chris Gill confirmed it with eddie and alex himself. There is no debate here anymore. Besides, the dry track for the guitar was released earlier this year and you can hear the drum into bleeding into the guitar track, one take, no cuts. I think you're splitting atoms

I would love to remake this video with some more information that I've collected since! I have gotten some more confirmation from important people in the community that strengthen the case...

no overdubbing. everything in this intro is completely playable. this was confirmed to me by Chris Gill who spoke to Eddie multiple times, and apparently alex once.

@@tanneryordan just my opinion , ive listened to this a million times , sounds over dubbed

@@soundbreak7 it sounds overdubbed because you are dealing with analog signal and acoustic signal. the kicks and tom that you hear first thing are electronic drums that are being fed straight into the mixing board, with no bleed from other instruments. the Roto tom being recorded is much more ambient and it makes it sound like it was recorded at another time. once you have that explanation, there is nothing else that "sounds overdubbed" because it's completely possible to play in one take. there isn't really any opinion to have other than the dozen pieces of evidence that point to alex doing it all in one take, no overdubs. there is no debate on this anymore

@@tanneryordan LOL if you say so , the only ones who really know are the ones who recorded it

@@soundbreak7 and they have all spoken on it in some form… all confirming exactly what i’m saying to you. chris gill telling me that he specifically asked them, and getting the same answer multiple times is proof enough.

@@pvampman ed’s favorite cabinet did not have JBL speakers in it, that’s for sure. the JbL cabinet was parted out/given away decades ago. the likelyhood of the same speakers being in ed’s favorite slant cab, that were used on the first album is extremely low. in fact, the speakers in it for the Metropolitan museum were not the same speakers in it for the WACF photoshoot in the studio, so they were 100% changed sometime. there also is no documentation for what ed even used on the early albums, and even if he told wolf later in life, he likely was misremembering because he really didn’t give an F. I get this comment all the time in my theory videos. “just ask wolfgang” or “just ask alex” as if that is the easiest thing to do. feel free to reach out to them or their team and you will likely fall upon dead ears. if it were that easy, we would have known 20 years ago.

The closest I've seen to what alex actually plays is Josh gallagher on UA-cam. He uses generally the right gear and doesn't do the weird 2 handed triplet on the floor tom that everyone plays wrong. one day I will try to recreate it and show people how it's 100% actually played

Thanks, I used samples straight from the album for accuracy

I wish it were that obvious for other people... I hear it too!

@@tanneryordan No idea how so many are so oblivious.

@@joeskorbinhorbinchuk3286 Try “parchman farm” by cactus. Alex got the shuffle from Appice well before Cobham

@@philobetto1224 every car guy I’ve talked to who knows anything has told me “If ed’s lamborghini V12 sounded like the HFT intro, it was broken” lol

Funny you ask, because I was planning on skipping the third album because it just isn't that different than the second... From my experiments, I believe that Alex was using single-headed toms all around the kit for the recording of WACF. I also believe from my experiments that they were mic'ing them from the underside or inside. This is what he did live on the 79 tour, all the way into 83 tour, so I have a theory that WACF was their first attempt in trying to make alex's drum sounds more like their live sound, rather than their more muffled attempts on the first 2 albums. Mic'ing concert toms from the bottom has a sort of basketball tone to it, not to mention the isolation you get from not having the mic's on top. That mixed with the fact that alex tuned his concert toms WAY higher than most created that tribal/jungle sound in my opinon. Here is the video that planted the seed in my head ua-cam.com/video/yvp--SeAQb4/v-deo.html

If you find a source of the "multitrack" from the Guitarhero/Rockband games you will be able to sample the drums easier. I can't seem to find them anymore, so if you can't find them, use the isolated drum tracks on UA-cam.

@@tanneryordan i will look more into guitar hero games, i appreciate it dude thank you a lot

@@nekropsyyyyyy I used to get them all from one website that has been taken down. It had almost every "multitrack" ripped from those games. Those games are the only reason we have access to pretty much any isolated track, aside from the recent ones done with AI. Regardless, it still takes a bit of work to mix them once you have them loaded in (reverb, EQ, educated midi programming, etc.)

@@tanneryordan ill dig deep into those multi tracks, i never thought of finding it through games, that was a very nice idea i hope i can find them

@@tanneryordan Yo, i was able to make it somewhat decent. Just posted on my channel if you'd like to hear, obviously its not that good yet but your tips helped a lot thank you!