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Set up before wrapping, 3rd round of oxalic acid vap.
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Winter fed evaluation, 1st round of OA vap done! but?
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Such a wide range for mite counts!
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Alive varroa mites, last day of extracting. a concern on Thymovar.
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Checking the mites' treatment efficacy after one day!
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Preparing for Canadian winter, End of Honeyflow.
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2nd roud of harvesting!
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At the end of the first round, 360 honey supers
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First 70 Barrels of Honey
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Dropping the high of 7's
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Honey Extracting process!
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A 12 feet cluster of swarmed bees!
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Just started Honey Harvesting
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weekend work, and my spring assessment.
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3 Entrances honeyflow
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What a great windbreak! Our warmer Fall here, seeing to much brood yet. We are trying to stuff the brood chamber. I suspect you might benefit from a 2 gram dose. Thank you for the updates!
Not a lot of bees in there
No. A smaller population colony. I'm not sure this would survive for winter.
How much acid do you use per colony?
@@ПетроСоколович 1 grams equivalent to 1/4 Tea spoon. That's based on the instruction label of this Oxavap vaporizer.
I meant 1 gram.
Try to put 4-5 grams
@@ПетроСоколович it depends on the vaporizer. Some required 4 grams.
@@chamberelga1653 If I recall the single gram dosage just doesn't work. See Bob Binnie interviews. Some like 4 grams per deep but I've found that a bit rough. Whatever you do, praying it works for you brother.
In the situation when we use apivar, let's say there is 1 or 2 apiaries that are higher mites than others and needed to apply apivar, I'm making sure to split those double brood box colonies earlier in order to used those brood for weaker colonies. There are always a lot of weaker colonies in spring. In the real world, when adding 2nd brood box particularly here in Manitoba, the weather is very unpredictable. There are situations I need to add 2nd brood box earlier when colonies populations are exploding, daytime temperatures can be very warm, but the night temperatures are crazy cold. I need to put my 2nd brood box under until I am confident enough with Forcast that can be more consistent and worried about freezing your brood. I'm trying to anticipate a couple of things. Preventing the swarm fever by providing extra room at the same time, I keep my brood on top where most of the warm inside stays to make sure not freezing them. Sometimes, I add honey supers at the same time as 3rd box with excluder above 2nd box. When dandelion is started to bloom with unpredictable weather conditions. I am not doing this to all of my yards because the weather conditions here can change so fast. Situation like this. I split this yards first, make nucleus colonies and used for brood support or equalizing the weaker colonies. And the honey on the supers is used as feed frames instead of spending more on sugar syrup. I'm not saying that's how most beekeepers do here. This is my management strategy in my operation only.
I am in the same boat. I did 14 day/10 day/9 day thymol and still had4-8 percent. Clearly have far fewer hives but more time to worry and study. I put on a OA dribble today with glycerin instead of sugar to keep it out of them the best I can. Alas I am at the point were I am out of time and options like yourself. As you say every year is different. fwiw... I think our mite washes are simply a poor representation of the number of mites in the hive. The amount of capped brood vs the number of bees in the hive in combination with how much brood will hatch in the next ten days seem critical to understanding the actual real number. When it comes to pigs that reproduce once a year but will make 10 were there was one, the numbers go up on an angle that is very steep not unlike out mite counts. We have shown over and over to have any effect at all we must kill 80% for two years running before we see any change in numbers (in the region) in the third year. If we do nothing in the fourth year they are back to year one numbers by then end of year five. wtf does this have to do with bees? We should be willing and happy to see our mite washes stay the same for three weeks in a row if we wash and treat with OA once a week. It is only once the brood has started to hatch that was capped the first day we did a treatment that we can say we actually have a handle on mites. I fail to see how a mite wash on Sept one followed by a treatment would expect to bring the next mite wash down next week. The mites you find in your wash next week were under wax last week thus a wash and treatment regiment that gave three washes in a row that said the same percent means you are winning. You are loosing if the number goes up. One has to keep treating until we see the number of mites collapse to below point five percent. I encourage rebuttal and ideas. I dont claim to be right I am analyzing numbers.
Hello, fewer hives of many hives won't matter. The goal is the same even to 1 hive only. Trying everything we can to keep the mites level lower. I would love to do OA dribble. It kills mites in 15 minutes I use to do it in the Philippines. But unfortunately, we are NOT allowed to do it here in Canada we can only use registered products. Now temperature is dropping and I am decided to keep doing OA vap every 5 days. I'm going to start a 3rd round Next week and maybe 4th round the following. This is the only option left at this point.
@@chamberelga1653 OOOPs. I did not know it was "not allowed" Clearly BS as we can vape it or put it on pads .... oh like you said it works really well. Now I get it. I am confident your OA vapes will do the trick if the weather stays warm enough to keep the bees moving around in the hive. Its one more task that has to be done... where to find the time?... Thank you for the education. The time you have invested is not lost on me.
I'm happy with Tymovar, the first time I used it this fall. Checked after treatment - few yards 1-2% biggest level - 3.5 one yard and the rest of the yards - 0%. Now going with ox second round
@Ktish74 That's good! We are on the 2nd roud of oxalic acid also. We are going to give a 3rd round next week.
I would like to clarify this point - after wintering, you put up a second box and juggle the brood between the first and second boxes. When honey flow begins, you put up a Queen Excluder and the upper box with brood turns into a honey super from which you then extract out honey. And what about the medications and other substances that are present in the brood frames? Beekeepers who keep bees in two brood chambers never extract honey from the brood chambers. Essentially you also had 2 brood boxes, and than you put up a Queen Excluder when honeyflow starts.
Hello, I was just using formic acid in spring and stopped treating them a month before honeyflow. Also, assembling brand new frames with new foundations at least 1,000-2,000 every year to replace the older dark brood comb . Normally, I use those extra brood to boast my nucleus colonies. But when they don't need boasting anymore, that's the time I gained a bit extra brood on top. I need to be careful what kind of treatment Im using to avoid residual contamination.
@@chamberelga1653 so, you never used even Apivar? And if the situation is when you used Apivar, you don’t need brood for nucs, you put in a second box and a excluder, and where will you put the honey from the second box?
Over half, probably 80% drop in 24 hours. Total drop in 3 days. If you wait more than 5 days between treatments some of the mites emerge, feed on the bees and escape below newly capped cells.
@rtxhoneybees ok, thank you. Yes, we are here on the 2nd round now. It is exactly 4 to 5 days apart for those treated last week. And I'm decided to vap them a 3rd round next week. Instead of more Thymovar nor Apivar. Temperature starts dropping now. The 3rd round of oxalic acid is the best option in this case, and there is nothing to withdraw after. We don't have much time left.
Most of the mites drop in first 24 hrs afyer oxalic vapor from my observations. I do formic until end of sept. Then switch to oxalic and use sticky boards to monitor drop, applying 4g every 3 days. I had a couple yards that got to 10 percent mite counts that still see mites drop after 7th application of oxalic. It works.. but have to do it a lot more than you think and any amount of capped brood can hide a lot of mites. I'm in alberta and seem to have very similar mite counts to you. Hopefully the bees look OK in spring
@@stephenlind8318 Thank you for the information.
Try essential oils.
What kind of essential oil? for mites?
Thyme, Orageno, peppermint, Eucalyptus. There's a few others I've tried. I mix in spray bottle with thin sugar syrup.
@jimallen1176 That's interesting and that would be goo to have others options. But unfortunately, we can use any product that not registered here in Canada.
Same here brother. With the stretched Fall weather we are looking at one half dose of Apiguard.
I hear ya. We need more treatment options
Nice dula set up. Thanks for sharing, Blessed Days...
@@dcsblessedbees Thank you!
How many hives are you running?
900 hives only.
Nice operation 👍 👏
@@williamschulz6302 Thank you!
A friend of mine has a interesting theory, he says any hives with brood this time of year usually has a mite problem, he says the bees or queen are trying to compensate for the damaged winter bees by raising more bees
@irwinharlton3994 Hi Irwin, That makes sense, hopefully more likely to survive, but even my broodless ones have mites. I can't wait to bump them with Oxalix acid vap.
I use the soap as well. It’s cheaper and I find it drops the mites quicker That thymovar has been in for quite a while. I bet most of the thymol is dispersed by now. O think it’s a good idea to start the OA rounds especially if you are finding lower brood in the nests Damn mites. Everyone is finding them this year
@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog Yes, I noticed that it kills the mites quiker. I should have pulled them out 10 days ago and changed it with fresh one, but I obey too much what the label instruction to leave it there for a month.
@@chamberelga1653we need more treatment options
Wait I thought the ApiLife Var dosing was "three applications are necessary at 7-10 day intervals"? For Apiguard we do 2 doses at 10 day intervals. Then a hard OA dust up. If you put those on a month ago you should be able to hit them right now with OA. Good luck!
@MinnesotaBeekeeper I wasn't smart enough to decide quickly. I wish I had just pulled them out 10 days ago when I noticed the mites inside the drone brood. I wish I had at least changed them with fresh one. But I obey too much what the label instruction to leave them there for a month.
My experience with thymovar is similar. I am not sure the covering of the pads makes a significant impact on mite kill as I do not believe the thymol level would be maintained strong enough to kill a might even 4 days after application. On day one the smell to me was very strong and the bees bearded quit a bit... it was also hot so heavy off gassing. By day four they were back to work and the smell was greatly reduced. I removed the pads on day 17 and replaced them as per instructions. Very little in the way of bees moving out but it almost 10 C cooler now. Two things that matter that the sellers are not saying are... there are a lot of factors influencing the rate of gas off and even 20% lower than the max does and it would not kill mites. So at 30C day and night this stuff might kill every adult in 24 hours but at 20C and 4C at night the gas off is so low it might not actually even get strong enough to kill mite. WE as bee keepers have to stop excepting the killing of the adults and scream for something that kills the larvae. How many years did we spray for mosquitos until we admitted killing the adults was a waste of time when the swamp had millions ready to hatch... One cup of Canola oil on your pond and ALL of the mosquitos are dead. Cheap and effective but there is NO money in it for the pesticide companies. ua-cam.com/video/zri6y1Dde04/v-deo.html I just found this yesterday. If a person combined this treatment with an OA vape while the brood was being cooked I see this as at least a 99% kill rate and that has a real impact. Lets not spend too much time talking about how impractical it is.... it is "impractical" to keep trying pesticide after pesticide to kill only adults is simply a stop gap short term fix..... and it cost a lot! People in your shoes would have to move the pesticide budget to the labor budget but it would actually work while the pesticides are a rabbit hole that never ends. I am in BC. I enjoy the content. It is always great to see someone passionate about their work.
@MatWalter-q3h Thank you very much for your info. Much appreciated!
Wow great crop!
@deanmalkewich2366 Thanks be to God!
Time restrictions aside, I'm pretty sure your single dose of thyme will not get those hives ready. I hope you have time for some other treatments aside from OA. Have no idea what. Guess you could do a second 10 day dose of Apiguard. Leaving you with plenty of time before wrapping. Keep us apprised sir. Looking forward to your updates, prayers lifted.
@@MinnesotaBeekeeper If I would go for OA Vap, it has to be twice. The last one has to be broodless just before wrapping. Thank you for watching!
@@chamberelga1653 Absolutely. I'm doing one or two more. Then a final dose right before I wrap. You'll get it figured out brother!
Recommended 2 treatments with Thymovar one following the other to catch emerging mites
@willowbee5851 I would love to do that, but by the time it has to be withdrawn, my hives would be wrapped already. Not enough time. I appreciate your recommendation.
I had the same thought process. Im doing one Thymovar and will follow with oxalic acid for time reasons as well. @@chamberelga1653
You have a few honey supers stacked up it appears.😁Congratulations.
@@dcsblessedbees Thank you!
Maybe follow up with oxalic vapor after your Thymovar treatment? Edit: Wrote this while watching, you now mentioned it.
I like your clean honey house
Thank you Ian. Need extension but can't afford yet.
I hear ya. Watching your video. Your colonies look good. Mine are still brooding as well.
@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog Thank you. It's good they are still brooding and got mites treatment applied earlier to clear the mites. Nice to have lots of young bees for winter. The weather is warmer than normal, that make them keep going.
I I apologize for the one video clip that was entered twice!
Naa mo ginapakaon anang bubuyog?
Naa during spring before the floral sources become available, and after the honeyflow in fall, when all of the sources are shutting down before winter.
Have you done any mite washing? What are those counts?
Hello, no, I didn't do mite washing. Just treat the whole colony and check if there's any mites dropped. It's in between 1 to 21 mites in one colony. I don't know what is equivalent in percentage count.
An interesting service that I’ve tapped into, which has helped me get a good handle on my disease situation is I have subscribed to the disease monitoring program through our KRTP, tech transfer program. The service costs pretty much what the cost of the lab work. I’ve brought them out to sample 2 yards for varroa, nosema and virus. It helps me verify my own monitoring and it provides me access to professional feedback on these types of things
@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog wow! That's interesting! We have Brandon Area meeting on 24 this month. I hope to see you there if your coming.
@@chamberelga1653 yes I’ll be there
Russell Koopman made the observation that the drone kick out timing was possibly a necessary time to hit the hives with OA sublimation. The "Koopman affect". Great to have your observations on the topic. Thank you brother.
Have you noticed any side effects from thymovar?
@brendonhuynh344 Hello, I haven't opened those treated one yet. I still have 10 apiaries to do. And then I'll check them. I'll upload a video when I make the observation of Thymovar.
Nice move sir im inspired the way you work i learned something for you shout out im from mt.province
Awesome! Thank you!
Chamber do you do a OA Vap right after pulling the Thymol? A clean up dose. What are the patch treatments costs per hive? I'd guess the Apiguard in bulk is cheaper? Thank you for posting, Blessings!
@MinnesotaBeekeeper yes. I will apply for an OA Vap after the Thymovar. All of the colonies should be broodless by then, I hope it will clear the mites. For the Thymovar, 39 Canadian Dollars for a pack of 10 strips. Good for 10 hives if they are single story hives. I haven't tried to use Apiguard yet. I just used Apivar after honeflow before.
Ya, my colonies are staged the same
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog I can't wait to get the treatment and feeding done.
Yep it's that time of year for Northern Beekeepers. Thanks for sharing your time with us, Blessed Days...
You are welcome! Thank you for watching!
Hello sir galing po ba kayo ng slu?
Yes po.
Who makes the motorized loader your using, power kart
@kproautojameskirkham591 A nephew of my former boss. He made this homemade one. More or less 40 years ago.
@@chamberelga1653 Thanks for the quick responce. i need to build one.
@@chamberelga1653 Looks like a great tool i'm not a large enought operation to have a homer bee or a cran. I need to see if I can make one.
@kproautojameskirkham591 you are welcome! You can message me on my messenger directly if you have other questions about it, and I can make a video in a closer look and send it to you. My name is Chamber, but my FB messenger is Cham Elga.
Crazy Blessed harvest! How many production hives do you run sir? Do you sell is all in bulk to Bee Maid?
Thank you. Please just call me Chamber. I have 900 production hives. Yes, I am a coop member so all of my honey to Beemaid.
BEES!😂Good stuff, grats on the harvest this year.
We had the insane rain here in central Minnesota. After 3 years of draught then torrential rains and spotty nectar availability. Swarming of 50- 80% was normal. Hard to keep the wheels on. Blessings.
@@MinnesotaBeekeeper That's challenging
Great 2 man method, love it.
Wow talk about Beezy! God is smiling for sure.
Awesome video!
Nice men's
We finish bringing in first pull today, finishing off with the nucs and splits . Time to make the final push on second round. Good to hear you found barrels
Mr steppler do you possible know where to get the kart he is using to move the boxes? or if there are plane how to build & what to use?
Excellent job well done!
Nice, congratulations.👍It always feels good when all the work pays off. Blessed Days...
How long do you leave the supers before blowing and picking up?
3 hours.
Ive seen some of 628 dirt roosters videos where he filled the back of a pickup with boxes and nucs and shook swarms this size into them. I believe he relocated them and added queen cells.
wow that is all I can say
Good work! Thanks for the video!
@@aidenbennik1268 You're welcome!