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I’m finding this discussion late but I’m really loving it so far. The untangling of various narratives and the identification of certain ideological limitations has me very engaged. Thanks!

Can’t believe this guy is nearly 80. What an intelligent articulate man.

Rock on!!

Thank you to all involved for this thought-provoking conversation. I feel very grateful to be privy to such dialogues at these pivotal times, especially considering the almost total impossibility of engaging others on these topics in the "real" world. My sense is that "we" cannot "do" anything to address the metacrisis as such, and that we will be forced to ride the wave of consequences that will result from our actions as a globalized techno-industrial civilization of clever apes in overshoot of our environment who are deluded as to the nature of reality. I can understand why that particular framing may be unpalatable and could be considered unhelpful, but I suspect it to be the case and, therefore, what needs to be confronted. At this stage, what I intuit is that the best we can hope for is a new smaller-scale collective identity and with that a falling back to a new line of defense that could perhaps be held, bringing with us what wisdom and knowledge can be salvaged. Trying to steer this deranged leviathan towards a healthy and holistic understanding of our place in the world and a sustainable modus operandi appears to be an impossible task, although I certainly applaud any brave individuals who wish to take it on. Meanwhile, these conversations are of great merit in that they help us to frame, model and understand the nature, dynamics and multiple facets of the crisis we are facing. Many thanks again.

DeColonization is essential Amerikkka and DuhWest still petulantly insist and demand Priviledges and Entitlements and Resource Consumption and ecological desecration FAR beyond their legitimate share. That is _despite_ education That is in flagrant gratuitous denial of knowledge and science and education Even in the narrow window beginning with the Exxon scientists calculations and analysis of impending Global Heating and commensurate Climate Disruption ... Which has been twisted and contorted into full-on denialism and deliberate PsyOps - by well educated elitist Actors. To what extent could the mouthbreathing knuckledraggers of MAGA et al be transformed by even the most sophisticated and effective education ?

I planted a garden , and covered that I would starve to death a couple days after everybody else

Liberalism is fake and gay and everyone hates it

Thanks guys, it is really saddening to see only 72 views to this wonderful podcast, ( well 71 really when I count myself !) and very few subscribers / likes/ shares etc I have to admit that I came across it as I am following Professor Abdullahe’s talks and lectures ! And that because I am a Sudanese really!! It is sad when you see millions viewing and following talk shows and other irrelevant or trivial topics!! The world will change when this changes !! I apologise and hope to see more wonderful podcasts from your enlightening channel

thank you for the discussion!

Thank you very much for sharing this! excelent questions by the hosts

It's so urgent that the political advocates still jet around the world in their private jets.

Extinction is not a bug in the life of a species, it is a feature.

Climate control is a lie people the earth has been doing it's thing since the begining , if you want to stop the emissions from affecting the world then stop cutting down the rain forest and othe trees of the world , Morons .

I'm going with the Nobel Prize winning Physicist who ain't worried. If he is wrong, the Earth will still be here and regenerate itself....just like George Carlin spells out. Trust the comedian rather than a wanker in an Oil based Orange shirt with Oil glasses on.

The very title! Show the debate on this please that is real science? What is the point anyway when countries like China are not on board with this? I want proof which there is none, there are records for around two hundred years, the world is over 4 billion years old show the proof from a billion years ago so we can make up our own minds! Oh you can’t!

Our global crisis” are all caused by greed. The power that has been able to be acquired by modern capitalists. The capitalist have been able to accumulate the wealth to buy our sell out , politicians . Theses owned politicians are not allowed to raise taxes on these corporations and their owners. In fact somehow the wealthy have found ways not to pay taxes at all. We are looking at the next stages in the capitalists securing their wealth and power via totalitarian means. Where the oligarchs make all the decisions and the public is disenfranchised. We will see The rise of the police state, rise in loss of privacy, with social credit scores. The right wing think tanks have taken over the American mind. The American Dream has been stolen and these elites have to cover their tracks. The billionaires have taken control of all the media and levers of power and they will not let the truth of what happened to the American Dream and why so many If is still live from paycheck to Paycheck. The elites are in the process of making our slavery complete. This will preserve and protect their wealth and power for many generations. This next world order will be shoved down the throats of all Americans.

We need to watch each other grow is all there is to remember, Profound ❤.

Daniel’s closing words are brilliant.

A little hard to follow but glad you are doing this work and really hope it is useful for younger folks to follow upon.

The power of 1 to incite change is immense. One cell phone built Apple. It just did it millions and millions of times.

We need to engender a sense of deep ecology and everyone needs to take personal responsibility to lower their carbon footprint. A wartime industrial footing is coming. It is one major system collapse away.

"Global Government Futures"?? Seriously 🙈

Smart notice of reality: We be drinking plastic in our water. Note to selves.

loves it

Great video Wise Woman:.. we are all from the Creator Mind and Body. The Strongest Strong’s Exhaustive concordance explains All: We are ONE: Man and Animals the results of eating from The Earth Our Mother has all that we need, if we eat Living Things: God Will shake out them that oppose The Law of Living and kill His Creatures, learn to respect and understand them. Everything is for a purpose. Get the Book if you are Called Start with the little words like SAY IF ALL AT REMEMBER JUST and the first time used rule of the different Hebrew words and the verses associated with them and THE ROOT WORD OF EACH WORD, the verse’s can be done just by taking the names of people,places,events and actions and the Root Word

Eye opening discussion. Nate is able to describe our global predicament in such a meaningful way, and I wish this video had 1 million views.

I'm sorry I gotta add another comment, I'm awed by this dude. I don't think I've ever heard such inspired intellectual gibberish before. Like this is a dare or something, and he's been tripping on peyote and glued to the internet for seven days straight, Clockwork Orange style, and it's all just pouring out of him. Some of the continued verbal highlights, to wit.... 'teacherly authority', the 'epistemic elite', and the real humdinger, 'epistemic nihilism'. I think I agree with him, though, on his little critique of the muddled minds of by-now quite demented digital natives, completely given over to the throes of epistemic nihilism, irresistibly online and of course totally insecure and desperate to fit in with the cool crowd and not get canceled. And so they're completely lost souls at this point. Though it's hard to be sure what the hell he's talking about. Oh, and I don't want leave out 'intergenerational transmission'. Another impressive zinger. Referring of course to the purported previous state of affairs in western society, where children knew exactly where they stood, and would have the same reliable occupation as their parents to one day step into, which no longer persists today. I don't know if that's really true at all, but that's intergenerational transmission. Anyway, this dude is awesome. His blathering definitely grows on you. He must have been high while doing this podcast, without question. As I write, he's now comparing zoomers, 'Gen Z,' to a new breed of genetically designed superhumans, if you can imagine that. And we are witnessing a 'speciation event', with the emergence of this confused and rudderless generation of kids raised on the internet. Hell effin' yeah!

What in God's earth am I listening to? Who is this person?? I realize academics don't have much to offer, and they're mainly there to write some book, with some minimally plausible and defensible thesis, to be quickly swept away into the abyss after they manage to keep the wolves from the door before the next publish or perish deadline..... But god damn this was a full hour of some pretty serious word salad. Almost incomprehensible, but it seemed like his main thought was if only elites had a better epistemic handle on things, that maybe we could avert disaster. Wonderful. And the peasants too. The regular folk could stand to have a little better epistemic appreciation, or something. Epistemic being a pretentious word for 'knowledge'. So all these corrupt elites are just not knowledgeable enough! If only they were better informed we'd presumably be just fine and dandy..... Total disaster and collapse here we come is all I would have to add after listening to that. No wonder he was tittering so nervously. Good grief....

I love Nate, and his channel is great, but I've yet to hear one person offer and any advice on how to handle this that's worth a shit. The only thing that occurs to me is we are really, really screwed, and society could indeed collapse, whatever that means exactly, and all these well-to-do, comfortable and complacent liberal types are simply not going to be up to the challenge. We're encouraged to face up to this unimaginable prospect, but not be overwhelmed by it, learn how to shut it out, and basically go back to our undemanding lives, but throw in some nature walks, and maybe spend less time on social media, or something. He even goes so far as to suggest that we not to try to, or look forward to eliminating all-important, all-consuming social status, which is most definitely what got us into this mess in the first place, nor encourage a much more egalitarian world, but rather to maintain precious status hierarchies, but somehow do it without destroying the earth. By making gardeners the new alpha males. WTF is he talking about? So it's looking pretty grim, if the worst comes to pass. Because I don't see liberals coming anywhere close to an appropriate response to full-blown societal collapse. All I ever hear is gloating over the incredibly comfortable lives they've lived, and an inability to let go of them, even though they now realize they may have to. Which you don't hear from the likes of a more working-class entity like Extinction rebellion. And enough about the dopamine as well. High self-esteem is going to be the least of anyone's concerns in the hard times ahead.

I've been listening to Nate for a while . I agree with him on the direction of travel and the likely outcomes. I am an engineer who has studied thermodynamics, considered energy density and quality etc etc . Long story short we need to bring about large managed decline in human population and we need to derive as much of our energy as possible from nuclear fission and implement other " clean" technologies. At some point in the future we will probably see sustained reduction in the quality of human life on this planet as we have failed to do the things I have mentioned. I do strongly agree we need to reduce the obsession with some of the consumer BS and other pointless crap but we still need to power the hospital cancer proton therapy unit and the HVAC and all the other many many things which are not pointless rubbish but which improve quality of life.

AWESOME CONVERSTATION. Daniel is just pure wisdom. Took me so many years to get a rough grasp on the world and now suddenly I feel everything is so clearly articulated

Ideas that can change lives and change the world

Concise and grounded.

Do you guys really give money grants to help the poor

What he's alluding to is a civilization very much like what was depicted in the movie Avatar, which I realise is a bit corny, but it's a handy metaphor for how to exist on your planet sustainably that was widely ingested. Also take into account the unwillingness to even Don a cloth mask during a worldwide pandemic or the hissy fits being thrown over Americans switching from a gas to electric induction stove tops, and you can see how completely futile this all is. A very few will survive the storm, and will have to deal with a slowly healing planet for generations, but maybe THEY will arrive at a better understanding of how to exist here sustainably.

Disappointed that a Canadian is a victim-perpetrator of the crime of vocal fry.

I was a kid in the 70s when I recognized that the world was much more interconnected and complex than anyone was willing to acknowledge. Partly, of course, it's due to people's affinity for simplicity and easy explanations. But it is also a bug of the scientific method, where the penchant for isolating single variables in the effort to understand and comprehend the world is not just a veritable brick wall for dealing with multifaceted issues, it results in a perverse hostility to anything that isn't simplisticly presentable.

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Really learned a lot here. Great insight.

I love Sheldon and you guys got some incredible insights out of him, I could listen to him all day.

Ask who you can not criticize. It's them who rule the world.

The only constant in nature is change. Jack Fresco from the Venus project spent all of his life offering solutions, yet nothing happened. There's nothing to do. Become as self sufficient as possible and let Nature take care of itself.

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Loved this, thank you all so much for having this conversation and sharing it with us all. I keep asking myself how can we get this message out to a much broader audience as quickly as possible. Once you hear Daniel's logic, the cogency and clarity of his arguments, it's obvious that he's correct and that we need to pivot immediately in The Schmachtenberger direction. We need to convene a Great Council, like freaking yesterday, with Daniel as the Council Chair, and start a Manhattan Project level effort to address The Metacrisis and fix our civilization before it is too late. It may already be too late. Ugh. I just want to scream WAKE UP at like, everybody!!!!

Outstanding conversation that needs a much larger audience! I certainly talk with anyone I can to initiate this type dialogue. Thanks and keep it going!

To Socrates, Plato, Aristotle - add Schmachtenberger

"Disinclined to die". There's a band name! 😊

Humanity appears to now be beyond the stage where words will make enough of a difference, to change our reliance upon a global economic growth system which undercuts & destroys the biosphere which supports our very existence. Sadly the dynamic change needed will not be achieved by global collaboration, itself a figment of wishful thinking. Radical change might come about by the enlightened ones achieving ultimate power, but those aleady holding such immense power won't relinquish what sustains their control of what is a self-serving system for them. So the habitat we share with all other living things will continue to rot away, until only the cockroaches are left.

Brilliant discussion! Thanks for putting it together. Great to hear about the Kennedy / Koskenniemi collaboration - the brightest two in the genre (if there is a genre, so to speak:).

What a great and important conversation ! ❤