Nate Hagens - Energy Blindness and Our Collective Future
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2022
- Nate Hagens is the Director of The Institute for the Study of Energy & Our Future (ISEOF), an organization focused on educating and preparing society for the coming cultural transition. Allied with leading ecologists, energy experts, politicians and systems thinkers ISEOF assembles road-maps and off-ramps for how human societies can adapt to lower throughput lifestyles.
He is the host of the podcast The Great Simplification which explores the systems science underpinning the human predicament, offering analysis and discussion of the environment, ecology, geopolitics and the future implications of the upcoming energy transition.
Nate holds a Masters Degree in Finance with Honors from the University of Chicago and a Ph.D. in Natural Resources from the University of Vermont. He teaches an Honors course, Reality 101, at the University of Minnesota.
We discussed peak oil, the calorific value of a barrel of oil, trade-offs between being accurate and being helpful, conspicuous consumption and dopamine hijacking, building a reality-based future and much, much more.
More information on Nate and The Great Simplification can be found here: www.thegreatsimplification.com/
Nate tweets @NJHagens: / njhagens
We discussed:
Nate’s lecture series Reality 101 (episodes 1-10 available here): • Natural Selection and ...
Nate Hagens and D J White, Reality Blind Vol. 1: Integrating the Systems Science Underpinning Our Collective Futures: read.realityblind.world/view/...
Videos like this should have more than a million views every time they are published.
Eye opening discussion. Nate is able to describe our global predicament in such a meaningful way, and I wish this video had 1 million views.
Excellent video. I am following Nate for quite some time (I have a post graduation on Sustainable Energy Systems) but this sinthesis is perhaps the best I've seen so far. I will share it as much as I can.
Thank you.
Thank you for yet another enlightening conversation.
I am grateful for people like Nate and happy he chose the path he did 20 years ago.
Outstanding conversation that needs a much larger audience! I certainly talk with anyone I can to initiate this type dialogue. Thanks and keep it going!
Another superb conversation! Let's keep these going and share widely!
Thanks Jonathan!
Following Nate for a year now - he REALLY helped me getting tge bigger picture and global interconnectedness of behaviours and systems. More humans should LISTEN to what this man has to say, and then act.
Nate knows a lot and is rightfully concerned about the future of our species, other species and our biosphere.
Thank you Nate. This is really fastinating!
U Guys just made me feel less alone than i was before i started watching this... i tottaly relate ....Nate .. ur saying perfectly so many things i have tried to say to share .. .. yet lacked the "words".
I love the earthship possibilities. Are you building one
"Planting a Garden, community discussions...." aKey Elemental ! MyMoto is "#EarthFirst".. and all that ur sharing here.. tells me Ur a Core Member of TheEarthCrew.... iLove ur interpretations and revelations presenting a "NuLanguage" of understandings..Thank You GGF's for providing a "PackagedProduct" we can now Deliver. For sharing More voices to the "Chorus"~ iAmEarthHeart
We need to have an attitude of gratitude for what oil has done for us and for being lucky to be alive during this time, and realise that we now have to transition back to the normal business of being a human which is about self sufficiency, cooperation and individual creativity and craftsmanship. Problem is, it's too scary for people to think about so they deny it which is just going to make the transition more abrupt and more difficult. I'm trying to relearn old skills. I have always been creative and curious about how to do things from scratch, so for me it is fun. We need to show people that it can be fun and rewarding. Replace consumerist advertising with advertising of people having fun making their own things and growing their own food. This might counter the problem somewhat.
Nate, the story about the dolphin guy touched me profoundly
Within a few short sentences you changed my perspective and might have changed my life
I CAN do smth, anything, about this
Thank you!
Very good points...Nate names us a "Super organism" that optimizes ..not only that but also MAXIMIZES it's activities by the cultural standards.
Our concepts are very conditioned behavior...
Love that Nate has apocalyptic notions about the evils of energy consumption yet has FIVE lights on behind him.
I love listening to Nate. I've working on a project to determine whether or not the cultural tipping point can be achieved faster with the utility of artificial intelligence; but that's a ways off. There are at least four separate studies (at least four have been designed so far - the journey may uncover the need for more) that need to be completed before we'll have a definitive answer.
its already being used for this..ids it not?
@@EarthShipSolutions on a very mellow level - but yes.
I've been listening to Nate for a while . I agree with him on the direction of travel and the likely outcomes. I am an engineer who has studied thermodynamics, considered energy density and quality etc etc . Long story short we need to bring about large managed decline in human population and we need to derive as much of our energy as possible from nuclear fission and implement other " clean" technologies. At some point in the future we will probably see sustained reduction in the quality of human life on this planet as we have failed to do the things I have mentioned. I do strongly agree we need to reduce the obsession with some of the consumer BS and other pointless crap but we still need to power the hospital cancer proton therapy unit and the HVAC and all the other many many things which are not pointless rubbish but which improve quality of life.
Care to expand in more detail on this managed decline in human population? I think there's only one chance for the human race, outside of any managed population decline, which I would surmise would amount in practice to a truly horrific mass genocide of the population, if you're up for that.... and that's surviving on way less consumption, and still having a recognizable, halfway decent quality of life, as you seem to allude to. They say we can live sustainably if we can somehow get by on 20% of what we currently consume, or something around that number. But of course that would require heroic levels of self-restraint and personal initiative, on the part of your typically ravenously ambitious and self-interested western strivers. Especially white-collar liberal types. Personally I just don't think they have it in them. American professional culture is pure poison at this point in history, and it's almost impossible to imagine these sorts of people responding with the vigor, realism and self-sacrifice required. Just no way in hell. In truly hard times, the meek will finally inherit the earth, and all hell will likely break loose.....
Well, there's nothing I can to to prepare. No other choice than to just trundle along.
What a great and important conversation ! ❤
Call to arms!!!! all hands on deck.
I largely agree. But a Seneca Cliff outcome is not anywhere off the table.
"The root paradigm trap (blind spot) is our false conception(s) of what we are." -- Dude I met in the park
we need new and younger leaders....the young people are worried about the future and they should be involved in the path forward
I agree. It's frustrating that the leaders are generally old men. Their ideologies and interests only represent a fraction of people. They are often set in their ways and are slow to adopt new ways of thinking and leading and were educated into an outdated ideology many decades ago. The needs of people now and in the future have changed.
It is clearly a deliberate strategy. Maintain their status-quo so they can enjoy their privilege and status, and then die without ever having to take responsibility for that privilege, or bear the cost of its consequences. Yet another demonstration of the corrosion created by hyper-individualism and toxic liberty.
Nate needed to call for abolishing the doctrine of trading fossil fuels by what's called the 'supply and demand' regime, and start trading fossil fuels only on the basis they are finite.
Jevons didn't have the living time to later realise that there is no such thing called 'Efficiency' - when he proposed his Jevons' Paradox.
Now we understand that 'Efficiency' is simply a matter of where you burn energy more - at design, mining, manufacturing and maintenance time or at run-time - or why a Ford Model T is not as efficient as a Toyota Prius?
The answer is that Model T required a minute amount of energy to manufacture than a Prius - this is no matter how a Prius would travel during its useful lifetime.
Nate also needed to call for overhauling the Magna Carta - adding to it the right for humans to understand what Energy really is.
Peak oil has in fact materialised since 1914, after coal production has peaked in England in 1913, Britain went an invaded Iraq for the first time for its resources, and Britain has started the theatrical Arab-Israeli conflict in 1917.
There was never and will never be a positive EROEI - contrary to Nate's and many others - lifetime message.
"In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most.
No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores.
No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it.
This universal truth applies to all systems.
Energy, like time, flows from past to future".
I have had many conversations with otherwise intelligent and successful people who claim "oil is abiotic and we will never run out." With a straight face they claim the tectonic plates float on a sea of oil and all we have to do is drill down between the plates to access endless abiotic oil. Many of these people cite William Engdahl as the great teller of truth regarding oil. Have you ever dealt successfully with an abiotic oil believer?
I planted a garden , and covered that I would starve to death a couple days after everybody else
I love Nate, and his channel is great, but I've yet to hear one person offer and any advice on how to handle this that's worth a shit. The only thing that occurs to me is we are really, really screwed, and society could indeed collapse, whatever that means exactly, and all these well-to-do, comfortable and complacent liberal types are simply not going to be up to the challenge. We're encouraged to face up to this unimaginable prospect, but not be overwhelmed by it, learn how to shut it out, and basically go back to our undemanding lives, but throw in some nature walks, and maybe spend less time on social media, or something. He even goes so far as to suggest that we not to try to, or look forward to eliminating all-important, all-consuming social status, which is most definitely what got us into this mess in the first place, nor encourage a much more egalitarian world, but rather to maintain precious status hierarchies, but somehow do it without destroying the earth. By making gardeners the new alpha males. WTF is he talking about?
So it's looking pretty grim, if the worst comes to pass. Because I don't see liberals coming anywhere close to an appropriate response to full-blown societal collapse. All I ever hear is gloating over the incredibly comfortable lives they've lived, and an inability to let go of them, even though they now realize they may have to. Which you don't hear from the likes of a more working-class entity like Extinction rebellion. And enough about the dopamine as well. High self-esteem is going to be the least of anyone's concerns in the hard times ahead.
The consequences of overshoot are far more eminent and dire than ever. Unfortunately we are still seeking political "solutions", but government is what enabled the very destruction we are witnessing today. The concept of money itself is a plague on this planet, and even further upstream is the concept of ownership. Possession is a universal reality which is easily proven with empirical evidence. The concept of ownership on the other hand requires a legal system and is therefore a legal fallacy. And to go back upstream even further is to discover the original "sin", which we need only to observe our own anatomy, physiology and biology to prove. By far the longest period of human existence was as tropical and subtropical frugivorous primates. Perennials are far more common in nature that annuals are and require little to no maintenance. In fact the proverbial Garden Of Eden story may have originated from humans living in such conditions, which would have been a fairly care free existence. Just as we can observe that all life on this planet has a species specific environment and diet, so too do humans. There are several raw frugivore expat colonies living in the jungles of Costa Rica and Ecuador, where elevation is the primary factor in temperature. They practice permaculture and require no animal inputs other than from pollenating insects. When an invasive species is introduced to a symbiotic environment chaos ensues. Yet we are too smart for our own good. Wisdom has been chasing us, but we've always been a little faster.
PS- As extinction is concerned there are so many other potentially contributing factors we rarely consider. For example, there are 92 active nuclear reactors in The US alone. If an EMP, bombing, hackers or class x1 solar flare took out the power grid the devastation would be global and last thousands of years.
Can we even get to a cleaner state on earth with democratic means? Armies are not democratic for a reason.
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A slow grind down to higher energy costs.
Duh
Blah blah blah ! Gardening . I see 8 billion no thats a Big "B" people going back to the land and the guys with the biggest potatoes getting laid the most . Thats ridiculous !
You need to educate yourself.
I see now you have 4 lamps and a lit globe for decoration . Thats not a very friendly environmental gesture accompanying this kind of a show