I’m finding this discussion late but I’m really loving it so far. The untangling of various narratives and the identification of certain ideological limitations has me very engaged. Thanks!
Thank you to all involved for this thought-provoking conversation. I feel very grateful to be privy to such dialogues at these pivotal times, especially considering the almost total impossibility of engaging others on these topics in the "real" world. My sense is that "we" cannot "do" anything to address the metacrisis as such, and that we will be forced to ride the wave of consequences that will result from our actions as a globalized techno-industrial civilization of clever apes in overshoot of our environment who are deluded as to the nature of reality. I can understand why that particular framing may be unpalatable and could be considered unhelpful, but I suspect it to be the case and, therefore, what needs to be confronted. At this stage, what I intuit is that the best we can hope for is a new smaller-scale collective identity and with that a falling back to a new line of defense that could perhaps be held, bringing with us what wisdom and knowledge can be salvaged. Trying to steer this deranged leviathan towards a healthy and holistic understanding of our place in the world and a sustainable modus operandi appears to be an impossible task, although I certainly applaud any brave individuals who wish to take it on. Meanwhile, these conversations are of great merit in that they help us to frame, model and understand the nature, dynamics and multiple facets of the crisis we are facing. Many thanks again.
I’m finding this discussion late but I’m really loving it so far. The untangling of various narratives and the identification of certain ideological limitations has me very engaged. Thanks!
Thank you to all involved for this thought-provoking conversation. I feel very grateful to be privy to such dialogues at these pivotal times, especially considering the almost total impossibility of engaging others on these topics in the "real" world. My sense is that "we" cannot "do" anything to address the metacrisis as such, and that we will be forced to ride the wave of consequences that will result from our actions as a globalized techno-industrial civilization of clever apes in overshoot of our environment who are deluded as to the nature of reality. I can understand why that particular framing may be unpalatable and could be considered unhelpful, but I suspect it to be the case and, therefore, what needs to be confronted. At this stage, what I intuit is that the best we can hope for is a new smaller-scale collective identity and with that a falling back to a new line of defense that could perhaps be held, bringing with us what wisdom and knowledge can be salvaged. Trying to steer this deranged leviathan towards a healthy and holistic understanding of our place in the world and a sustainable modus operandi appears to be an impossible task, although I certainly applaud any brave individuals who wish to take it on. Meanwhile, these conversations are of great merit in that they help us to frame, model and understand the nature, dynamics and multiple facets of the crisis we are facing. Many thanks again.
Rock on!!
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