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Yes, there’s a Fate Theme from the first movie, one from the third that you’re talking about, and a Fate Motif. I know it’s confusing, I’m planning a video about it.

It’s fun, isn’t it?

Thanks! I just found that effect in my editing software and it adds a lot to that part.

Thanks, what do you like about it?

Yes, I plan to cover that one eventually. It’s simply the Hiccup The Chief theme for exactly that purpose. Powell used it as an example of how he scores character arcs instead of characters. Listen for it when Hiccup leaves Berk in search of Drago in “Drago’s Coming” and when he confronts Eret in the following scene.

Absolutely! He’s called himself less of a “composer” and more of a filmmaker in charge of music.

I’m happy to hear that! Have you seen my others?

Thanks for the sub! There are plenty more videos to check out on this channel! Have you seen the original video?

A lot of people call it that.

What do you like?

@@FilmScoreandMore that its both hiccups theme and fun viking theme!

@xRandom.editsx It’s an interesting way to use the theme! And it is fun!

There are a lot of themes to keep track of! It’s very easy not to notice. I don’t think I noticed for a long time.

Reminds me of how in the series of Harry Potter movies, some of the most memorable melodies that Williams came up with in the first 3 films completely disappear within a few movies, which is a bit sad but also may fit the darkening tone of the films better. It's not like something as vital as Hedwig's theme is renounced entirely. But I also didn't really notice that some of these sounds were missing until someone pointed it out. You remember them so well it feels like they were there the whole time.

@randomcommenter7343 I know what you mean. The changing of directors and composers did sacrifice some of those themes, but they still feel very much a part of it all.

That one is “Viking Theme,” explained in detail in the second half of that original video. Powell also said he prefers scoring character arcs instead of characters, so a number of themes represent ideas of who he is and aspires to be at different times. ua-cam.com/video/l3QpqPDiT2k/v-deo.htmlsi=ggPGeplZIv1-hNb-

It can be effective, but it can also be distracting (and unnecessary). John Powell definitely has some more interesting solutions. Thanks for checking out the video!

2 shows that are really bad for this, IMO are the Rings of Power and the Witcher. A lot of people love the music for Rings of Power, and I think it's nice music, but the issue you mention is really distracting Love your videos

@JenksAnro I’ve also heard high praise for it, but I can imagine it gets old if it’s really musical character announcements.

Thanks! What was amazing about it?

@@FilmScoreandMore Tbh I've always called the flying theme (the first half of it) hiccup's theme and the second part hiccup and toothless's theme, The motif we talked about in this video I was referring to it as the Viking theme (or the 1st theme of the people) and seeing this point of view about the fun theme being hiccup's theme doing Viking things actually makes total sense! I'm glad you made this video :) PS: I made a Mock-up of the track "Into the hole" from httyd 3 and I'd like if you check it out cuz I'm a BIG fan!!! (sorry for my bad English it isn't my native language)

@Alexander-h5o Yeah, there are three distinct Viking themes (with this being one of them), so it gets confusing. You can send me a link to that mockup if it’s online, or email it to me! Have you seen my analysis of Into The Hole? Also, you’re English is perfectly fine here.

@@FilmScoreandMore Of course I've seen your "into the hole" analysis, I've watched almost all of you videos! The Mock-up is in my channel (this account)

@Alexander-h5o Good to know! I’ll check that out soon.

Thank you! What did you like about it?

⁠@@FilmScoreandMoreI think the reason I find your videos so interesting is that you explain an aspect (of my favorite soundtrack and music in general) in a very compact and simple way. With letting us hear parts of the soundtrack that you are talking about. And just talking about stuff that interests me soooo much that I didn’t know before. So thank you for that!

@Yoris302 I’m glad to! It’s interesting to me, and I think it’s important to simplify everything as much as I can. It does get complicated sometimes.

I actually love how Powell does themes because it allows for a lot of interesting narrative flexibility. In Pan (2015), there's a tune that seemingly represents Neverland ("Floating / Neverland Ahoy!") but is also used whenever Peter's mother is talked about; we later find out that she and Peter's birth father the Fairy Prince were FROM Neverland, so in coming to Neverland Peter is actually returning to his roots. I speculate then that this "Neverland / Mother" theme specifically represents "Peter's Roots", even hitting its zenith near the end of the film in "Transfiguration" when Peter sees a vision of his mother, who (I'm reading off Wikipedia here, only watched the movie twice 🙃) "reaffirms him to be Neverland's savior: Peter Pan."

@jjstarA113 Absolutely! There’s a quote from him in the new book about how this approach allows him to use different themes as needed in different ways depending on what story he needs to tell.

Honestly, I still need to see it! But I’m hearing great things and planning to get to it soon.

Do you think you’ll get used to it?

@@FilmScoreandMore I mean it is neat I guess and I don't want to be a hater for all their efforts but I honestly don't like it. I have a super nice TV and a lot of this movie I was looking at the textures and wondering why they were different between the robot and the animals. The animal fur was like standard definition while the robot and environment was clear and detailed. I guess there is some deeper meaning behind why they did it. I couldn't stop looking at the textures and getting distracted

@KidFriendlyGaming I wonder if it’s different on a TV from in the theater.

I believe it was to show off the perfect clean, coded, "utopia" Roz had come from. Round, crisp and clean, perfectly structured. The animals looked the way they did to show off their wild side, to give them more animalistic vibe. I personally loved the way both sides looked! I think the visuals added a LOT to all of their personalities. I also enjoyed Roz's visual development throughout the movie. It wasn't just to showcase the damage her body had endured trying to save all the animals, but it was also to showcase that her perfect image was slowly starting to look more "wild".

@@karenw90 Right, it's all about "contrast and conflict," eh?

I still have to check out Minority Report, and Prisoner Of Azkaban is one of the best!

Yes, of course. I didn’t mean The Bad Guys or Puss In Boots preceded it, just that they mark a new direction for DreamWorks in this new style.

Thanks, glad to hear about the movie! I still haven’t seen it yet.

But they’re all from one place.

@@FilmScoreandMore I don’t think you get it dude it’s a fictional island with dragons. Also in the tv show race to the edge they did introduce new races

@ladraff9702 I’m talking about just the village. The villagers should all have the same accent if they don’t do the generational shift in accents like in the original.

Thanks! For checking it out! I definitely thought of your video on photorealistic animation while making it. Chris Sanders’ quote about those expressive paintings really shows how you don’t always need intricate detail to create meaning. There’s something really expressive coming out of animation these days.

They seem to really love what these other studios are doing (or have done)!

It seems like most people figured it was his theme based on its usage, which isn’t a bad guess. But it’s missing the point. I explained a lot of it in this video: ua-cam.com/video/hBWhQxznEQA/v-deo.htmlsi=DV5un58KRi6S2lvU

@@FilmScoreandMore great video. I'm going to have to watch all of them to get more of your insights but for this particular conversation I mentioned Toothless' theme because it is always heard in some variation during scenes with toothless. During the test flight, you hear the main theme plus the flying ostinato layered on top of each other, but the real explosion comes when they head into a nose dive and hiccup loses his cheat sheet, he realizes that he has no choice but to trust toothless and work with him rather than try to control him, so when hiccup makes that connection, toothless feels the bond and they instantly connect and start to fly, at that moment is when we really hear the flying ostinato which, to me, indicates it's more about toothless. Then you hear the main theme layered underneath indicating the bond between them both. I hope that made sense lol.

@jonbrown5041 I see what you’re saying. I think it’s less about one character here and more about the pattern and progression of the themes as a composition. The Flying Ostinato prefaces the Flying Theme at the start and end of the cue, it preps you for that big moment when they fly as one. And thanks for checking it out! I have a lot of these and they’re organized in playlists.

@@FilmScoreandMore I also believe that there isn't a 100% intention for what the music is supposed to represent, I think it's designed so that the audience takes from it what most impacts them emotionally. The composers intentions are clear but not meant to force the viewer into thinking the way they do, much like how a piece of art influences people differently.

@@jonbrown5041 Of course! I just prefer to present it this way because it's what John Powell and the now-published official sources reveal about the score, and because Powell has said he avoided the typical character leitmotif approach for the most part. Plus, I think what he did is so much more interesting.

Definitely? It’s that good?

@@FilmScoreandMore Yes it's really good. I think it has a shot at beating Inside Out 2 for the Oscar, which means it was exceptional. A non Disney/Pixar films needs to really really really amazing to beat a good/decent Disney/Pixar film. The score was amazing too. Would love to hear your thoughts on it some day.

@jungleblazers1249 DreamWorks does always seem to come second for awards. What I heard of the score in the raccoon clip seemed good. I’m looking forward to hearing more.

Inside out to was truly a great movie but The Wild Robot is visually stunning. I’m haven’t seen it yet but just the trailers look gorgeous

@@TheLittleDudeMarcoPolo Do you think you’ll see it?

It is so close to the Flying Ostinato that you'd think it would be okayed, but I've searched several times and I've still never found an official indication that they got permission. They could have, but I find it strange that there has never been an announcement of that from the game developers, the composers, DreamWorks/Universal, or John Powell.

@@FilmScoreandMore I agree but it's hard to believe that neither of the two composers or anyone else making the game realized it. You would think that someone would have noticed, especially considering the music plays every time you get on the mount.

@jonbrown5041 One way or another, it slipped through.

@@FilmScoreandMore as a musician myself, I can't imagine that they wrote that without knowing, everything about the leitmotif almost identical, it would be a big coincidence if they just happened to write the same thing with the same beat and drums. Idk, I think they knew what they were doing, but whether it was approved by powell (or dreamworks if they own the rights) it's hard to say.

@jonbrown5041 Another commenter said he’s known one of the composers and that he admits he sometimes writes something similar to what already exists without realizing it. He’s also a John Powell fan. I want to make a followup to this video, but there’s still no new or official information anywhere. This is still all we know.

It looks like it might be worth checking out!

@@FilmScoreandMore Update: I am seeing it tomorrow.

@MamaSymphonia Let me know what you think of it!

@@FilmScoreandMore Update #2: It was brilliant.

@MamaSymphonia Good to hear! Something like this could easily be all style and no substance.

Don’t feel bad, this is an excellent comment! I appreciate your observations. It’s really exciting what animation is starting to do here.

I think so too! I like how animation is evolving.

After a month on this video I’m a little curious about it too!

Thanks! What about the style would you like to see more of?

@@FilmScoreandMore anaylsising animation, or other small video essays on other aspects of film

@NewOrca I’ll have to keep that in mind and look into it.

Interesting! I never realized they did that, but I could see it.