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Green Beret was an absolute joke at the time. I hold Atari themselves to account for how poor a lot of the games were, because they held back the hardware reference manuals. It's why some of the Activision games were actually really well done, because the devs came from Atari if I remember right.

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Atari held back the hardware reference manuals, so Atari development was a lot harder, which was really stupid on there part. The Atari is a very capable machine. Just check out the likes of Rescue on Fractalus, Eidolon, Ball Blazer, Alternate Reality just to name a few, that I think play to the Atari's strengths when the machine is coded properly. And Drop Zone on Atari is one of the best games to play.

@@leerudd1294yes I mean for more 3d or bitmap style manipulation Atari is a lot better. When it comes to side scrolling action with lots of sprites the C64 is hard to beat. Issue with c64 was not just the palette but the “stupid” choice to have one bit decide if a background tile is hires or multicolor. Due to that you could only choose from the first 8 colors and not the full 16 and that is why some games look a bit garish

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That was the best and then coming back and trying to figure them all out without manuals.

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Gorf is great on the VIC-20. I also really enjoyed Omega Race on it (and a number of other arcadey games). The VIC's low resolution means the CPU doesn't have to move as much data, making fast graphics possible.

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More love for the Amstrad. One day, I will get one of those. It always had such vibrant colors playing in emulation. I will load it up and try it on my retro pie Thanks for Watching!

Loved the Amstrad version, and so much more colourful too. Was probably the best version out there compared to the arcade.

Oh I found the gauntlet ports good visually and gameplay if you look at the arcade. What is that you don’t like in them?

@@litjellyfish Well the C64 port doesn't use colour ram and all the levels are flat grey background (Garrison is more colourful) and the Atari version used a single colour/16 luminance screen mode. The C64 port plays manically fast and is good enough and a lot less crash happy/choppy than the sequel. It just could have looked better on floor tiles and different background colours for each level not grey as Madcommodore showed with his pixel art skillz :)

@@FloppyDeepDive lol not love for the machine, I like 60fps capable machines more, but it had an excellent Gauntlet port. Amstrad monitor/emulators have saturation set to 100% and it's easy to gt th same colourful look on a real C64 on a TV as Madcommodore shows on stuff like Terra Cresta/Who Dares Wins II videos on his Sony with colour set to max :)

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Totally with you there. It was one of the worst let downs ever.

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Lol, why did I think of you when I said that? 😆

Haha... because, as the Stones once sang, "I'm a man of wealth and taste." But I have to admit that I did laugh out loud at how offhand that comment was. Your commentary on the games should be more of that and less scripted, IMO.

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Gremlins was my Gold nugget from this round for sure. Gyruss was a little strange on the Atati, but I didn't notice it on any others Will have to look at that and see if I can duplicate.

Nope, the C64 and other micros outperformed the Atari on most arcade ports. In many cases, arcade ports weren't even attempted on the Atari due to its limited sprite capabilities.

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Thank you, sir!! How did we all miss Gremlins? You are probably right on Gridrunner.

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Yes but same applies to Atari as well. And amstrad and spectrum :) C64 was an excellent machine for scrolling sprite heavy action games. Pretty unbeatable there. But for more bitmap / vector based then Atari and others could be pushed to beat the c64 I mean it’s all down to how the architecture on the different machines had their strength and weakness. But like check modern spectrum games like “Serafina” that really blows my mind how they achieve really smooth multi parallax layer action with little color clash. Or some racing games and the space barrier port for Atari is crazy amazing where C64 don’t stand a chance. Then look what good c64 is if it has more storage and mem with the c64 port of master system version of Sonic which proves that basically C63 lower resolution aside could match most master system games

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Atari 800 XL was released in 1983. The C64 was released in 1982.

@@R3tr0-ld4xb The Atari 400/800 were released in the year of 79, so 3 years ahead of the 64. The Architecture is very similar, the only difference being the extra ram, and some hardware changes, but the overall machine is exactly the same.

@@leerudd1294 You contradict yourself: "some hardware changes but exactly the same". Contradictions aside, using your logic, one can argue that the C64 was a VIC20 with "some hardware changes" making the C64 two years older.

@@R3tr0-ld4xb the hardware changes they made were to do with the memory, reduction of parts etc, the main custom chips are basically the same as released in the 400/800 range. The only change i remember was the Ctia chip being upgraded to Gtia and i had that upgrade in my 800 as it was released before the 800xl range came out, so still before the release of the c64. Other than that, most of the Atari hardware specs stayed the same throughout its life. So no, the c64 wasnt just a vic20 with hardware changes, as its a whole new machine.

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When I got my first Atari computer, an Atari 400 but with 16K (at the time, the 400 came with 8K) many of the games were ports of Apple games because the hires mode of both system were very similar. I actually learned how to write games using bit mapped graphics (when the program actually draw each pixel itself instead of relying on hardware to do the work) from a book about programming on the Apple. Apple hires was 280×192 while the Atari was 320x192. The Apple could put 8 colors on the screen in hires mode HOWEVER they do count black and white twice (there is a legitimate reason for them doing this) making the number of colors = 6. The Atari could put 4 colors on the screen in hires mode but Atari wasn't limited to black and while. The background could be any color in Atari's 128 palette. Also, using display list interrupts one could change the background color which also changed the artifact colors. And they could also put two 3 color sprites on the screen at the same time bring the number of colors up to 10 (or even more if using DLI's to change the color vertically).

@@bjbell52 Neat. I have dabbled with programming on Apple II but I'm most proficient with C64. I own Mapping the Atari but have never tried to program for the system.

@@bjbell52 Atari in HiRes mode (Graphics 8) had a resolution of 320x192 but only in two colors. The mode you are talking about as HiRes with 4 colors is probably Graphics 15, but it had a resolution of 160x192, because each color was encoded by two bits, hence the line resolution was reduced by half. However, on Atari, all colors could be freely selected from a palette of 16 colors and 16 shades (i.e. 256). Apart from these, there were a lot of other graphics modes, some of them encoded colors differently. Additionally, sprites and projectiles had their own color registers. And if you add DLI interrupts to this, you could further increase the number of colors on the screen :) But that's a completely different story.

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A C64 with Fastload cart or just an original C64 game with built-in fastloader easily matches or exceeds the Atari's disk speed. There are lots of easy and even free solutions for this, it's really not a big deal. The actual huge con is the Atari's tiny 90K single-density disk capacity, compared to 170K on a 1541 disk for the C64.

@@8_Bit It was possible to do 130k (with the 1050 drive), for one. And I had them and knew many ewith one or both. They did not match the load times for disk based games, they just didn't. And that includes games made to take advantage of it. Aaand it's not like that Atari's didn't have their own ways of making things even faster but it was via hardware modifations or a 3rd party drive. Most people didn't bother because we weren't having to wait 5 minutes to load games.

@@competetodefeat4610 The 1050 was released in mid-1983, far too late, and publishers weren't going to risk shipping 1050 format disks when so many users had an 810 disk drive, especially just to get an extra 40K per disk. Most commercial Atari disk games shipped on the 90K disks for this reason, and it contributed to the publishers abandoning Atari in favour of the C64. If we're talking about buying other drives, Commodore even had their SFD1001 disk drive that could store a full Megabyte (!) on a disk, and the 1571 also came along with 340K capacity but like the 1050 those didn't see much publisher support. And no C64 disk game took 5 minutes to load. 2 minutes is the upper end, and of course most commercial games would immediately switch to a software fastloader, and then load the rest of the game much more quickly.

@@8_Bit Bung a Happy Chip in the Atari 1050 floppy drive, and it's like a rocket ship, games load in seconds.

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The difference with the comparisons you’ve made is 4K is superior and the Amiga is superior, whereas in many areas the Atari XL is superior (faster CPU, more vibrant colours, four channels of sound rather than three). There are many games that show the capabilities of the Atari over the C64 (go compare ElektraGlide and Rescue on Fractalus, for example).

I did Elektraglide in the E’s.

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The comparison is between the Atari 800XL and the C64. The 800XL came out more than a year AFTER the C64 so the comparison is entirely fair. If for some reason you mean the Atari 800, that only came out 2 years 9 months before the C64, not 4 years before.

@@mortimore4030You don't know what you're talking about. The C64 had 3 16-bit channels. The Atari had 4 8-bit channels. Therefore, having 4 channels doesn't make the Atari better. Plus, the C64 sound was multiwave, the Atari was single wave. The C64 also had superior colour and graphics capabilities in many cases, and better built-in hardware capabilities, like sub pixel scrolling. There are countless games on the C64 that are way beyond the Atari's capabilities.

Could be. This is the one I played back then.

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I was using real hardware. Gyruss was acting weird on the Atari. That's why I mentioned C64 was so much smoother. I wonder if I could duplicate it. Good eye! Great insight!

@@FloppyDeepDive Possibly the Hardware it was running on. Some games ran better on the Original Hardware, 400/800 machines due to changes in the custom chips in the later machines that had various querks.

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I did not know that! I love learning more about these games and systems. Thanks!

@@FloppyDeepDive good video on youtube - atari 800xl games vs commodore 64 games . gauntlet, ghostbusters, gyross, gremlins, green beret look on commodore 64 better

@@FloppyDeepDive hi i have question . can you make video about atari st games and amiga games on youtube

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The game wasn't made by the same company, atari split in the early 80s, games division and computer division bought by jack t

Are you serious? The Amstrad version is terrible. Horrendous scrolling (if you can even call it scrolling) and sprites. Terrible audio too.

@R3tr0-ld4xb it's my opinion and that's what I think but thanks for your thoughts.

I'll have to give it a play.

@FloppyDeepDive it's what I grew up with on the cpc6128 so I suppose I have rose coloured glasses on a bit lol.

Not thoughts, simple facts.

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My best guess, they used a redefined character set when the aliens were in formation and sprites when they were flying down for the attack.