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Paul McVeigh: From Ronaldo to Musk - Inside the minds of the world’s best performers | Ep.28
This week I’m delighted to welcome Paul McVeigh to the show. We spend a lot of time here looking at sports away from performance reviews. When we focus on players or athletes, we want to know, who are the people and personalities behind the faces we become so familiar with.
Footballers as intelligent, creative, innovative individuals is not something normally considered. We have a picture painted of what a player is like and the stereotype has stuck. This has changed slightly over the years, but the fact remains, understanding their value and opportunity to influence outside of the sport is often overlooked.
Paul McVeigh has played a major role in shifting perception. With over 300 appearances for top teams like Tottenham and Norwich and a full international for Northern Ireland, he has played at the highest level possible in the game. But then we add this. An early adopter is sports psychology before it became commonplace. A passion for business away from the field. A masters in sports psychology. Keynote speaker to Microsoft, Deutsche Bank, Allianz.
How has he achieved this? Why did he decide to go down this path? What is it about Paul that these companies see as so valuable? How can players build a career outside of football? This is a conversation that more than validates the title of Paul’s book and his firm belief; ‘the stupid footballer is dead’.
I’m delighted to welcome Paul to the Business of Sport.
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On today’s show, we discuss:
1. Treading your own path
How moving from Northern Ireland to London opened Paul’s eyes to the multi-faceted football industry.
Redefining his first contract from Tottenham owner Alan Sugar and the fight to retain focus on achieving your goals when money and notoriety interferes.
The confidence to try new things is intimidating for many; people don’t like change. How a yoga mat created a stir in the Norwich City dressing room.
The impact of reading Tony Robbins book set Paul on the path to exploring the importance of sports psychology in a time where physical performance ruled above all.
2. Work on your mind!
Psychology is the most important part of a professional sportsperson’s career. Work on it as much if not more than you do your technique or physique!
Learn, unlearn, relearn: stages of your career require different skills to succeed. Winning a professional contract won’t be the same as becoming one of the best players in the Premier League.
‘Football is the most ruthless industry in the world’. What does Paul mean by this? What makes the sport so unforgiving?
Be an innovator, don’t be a sheep. Change is what drives success in many top organisations, but the majority fear new habits and environments they’re not familiar with.
3. Value away from the pitch
Paul’s career as a keynote speaker to some of the world’s biggest companies has been a huge success. How did he discover this was something he could make a living from?
‘The Stupid Footballer is Dead’ is the title of Paul’s book. Footballers are stereotyped based on cultural assumptions on their interests and personalities. Why is it important to change this narrative?
Performance, leadership, teamwork; the three most valuable aspects of a footballer that translate effortlessly into great business people.
How socio-economic factors have reduced opportunities for footballers to build careers in ways rugby and cricket players have managed to.
Do you want to know how Premier League teams build world class environments? Check out Paul's 'Teamwork Masterclass' teamworkmasterclass.carrd.co/
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Wimbledon: How Much Money Does it REALLY Make? Full Financial Breakdown
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Did you know Wimbledon makes more money in two weeks than AC Milan make in a year? But how? What drives the economics of the most famous tennis tournament in the world? In this week’s Business of Sport: The Review we break it all down for you! #businessofsport #charliestebbings #podcast #wimbledon2024 #JannikSinner #NovakDjokovic #rogerfederer #tennis #rafaelnadal
Jonathan Turner: ‘Daniel Levy is the best entrepreneur I know’: Inside Tottenham's boardroom | Ep.27
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This week we welcome Jonathan Turner to the show. Jonathan is a board member at Tottenham. We’ve covered ownership, management, players, but what happens in the boardroom of football's biggest clubs? Brought in by Daniel Levy, a lifelong fan with a background in investment and technology, Jonathan brings the breadth of experience and perspective that’s increasingly valuable in football. How muc...
Manoj Badale (HINDI): Why I bought the Royals and the incredible success of the IPL
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Dubbed by ElevenLabs - Today we are delighted to welcome Manoj Badale. Manoj is the Co-owner of one of the Indian Premier Leagues most notable franchises, Rajasthan Royals. One of the founding members of the tournament in 2008, the Royals went on to win the first iteration, cementing a special place in franchise cricket history. Since then, the IPL has become one of the most followed and valued...
Matt Higgins: From NFL to Football, What Makes Sport Special | Ep.26
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This week, we are delighted to welcome Matt Higgins to the show. Concisely explaining Matt’s career is a challenge. In the world of sport, he has been a managing executive at the New York Jets and Miami Dolphins in the NFL, founder of sports events and media company Relevent Sports, an early investor in the Drone Racing League. In the business world, the story is equally impressive. The younges...
Euro 2024: how much money does it REALLY make? Full Financial Breakdown - BoS The Review
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‘As Euro 2024 kicks off, the excitement is building around the best teams, the surprise packages, the standout players. But what about the finances? From media deals to sponsorships to ticketing and hospitality, how much revenue with this festival of football accrue, and what does it mean for both UEFA and the national economies of competing teams? In our first ‘Business of Sport: The Review’ w...
David Webb: 🚨 EURO'S SPECIAL 🚨 "We’re not here to be tourists. We’re here to win" | Ep.25
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David Webb: 🚨 EURO'S SPECIAL 🚨 "We’re not here to be tourists. We’re here to win" | Ep.25
Ben Davies: "Spending the most money doesn’t guarantee results" |Ep.24
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Ben Davies: "Spending the most money doesn’t guarantee results" |Ep.24
Robbie Douek: "Esports Should Be Like the Superbowl" | Ep.23
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Robbie Douek: "Esports Should Be Like the Superbowl" | Ep.23
Sam Warburton: Real Leaders Get It Done, My Rugby World Cup Red Card, Ex Wales & Lions Capt. | Ep.22
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Sam Warburton: Real Leaders Get It Done, My Rugby World Cup Red Card, Ex Wales & Lions Capt. | Ep.22
Lina Nielsen: Defying MS to Chase Olympic Dreams | Ep.21
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Lina Nielsen: Defying MS to Chase Olympic Dreams | Ep.21
Nico Rosberg: Retiring as F1 World Champion, What Next? | Ep.20
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Nico Rosberg: Retiring as F1 World Champion, What Next? | Ep.20
Eniola Aluko: "Athletes have to use their platform to affect change" | Ep.19
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Eniola Aluko: "Athletes have to use their platform to affect change" | Ep.19
Nevin Truesdale: The Future of Horse Racing with CEO @ The Jockey Club | Ep.18
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Nevin Truesdale: The Future of Horse Racing with CEO @ The Jockey Club | Ep.18
Aron D'Souza: "Sports can be safer without drug testing" | Ep.17
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Aron D'Souza: "Sports can be safer without drug testing" | Ep.17
Pat Cummins (HINDI): Winning The IPL, Value Of Test Match Cricket.
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Pat Cummins (HINDI): Winning The IPL, Value Of Test Match Cricket.
Matthew Porter: ‘Darts is flying high; we have to capitalise on this moment’ | Ep.16
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Matthew Porter: ‘Darts is flying high; we have to capitalise on this moment’ | Ep.16
David Buttress on How to Make Rugby More Appealing
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David Buttress on How to Make Rugby More Appealing
David Buttress: "Rugby must adapt to maintain its relevance"| Ep.15
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David Buttress: "Rugby must adapt to maintain its relevance"| Ep.15
Jess Ennis-Hill on Winning Her First Gold Medal 🥇🏃🏼‍♀️
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Jess Ennis-Hill on Winning Her First Gold Medal 🥇🏃🏼‍♀️
Jess Ennis-Hill and the Lack of Support for Female Athletes
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Jess Ennis-Hill and the Lack of Support for Female Athletes
Jessica Ennis-Hill: ‘I realised you can have a family & still compete at the highest level' | Ep.14
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Jessica Ennis-Hill: ‘I realised you can have a family & still compete at the highest level' | Ep.14
Tom Beahon: Building the Tesla of Sportswear, Why We're Taking on Nike & Adidas | Ep.13
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Tom Beahon: Building the Tesla of Sportswear, Why We're Taking on Nike & Adidas | Ep.13
Manoj Badale: Why I bought the Royals and the incredible success of the IPL | Ep.12
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Manoj Badale: Why I bought the Royals and the incredible success of the IPL | Ep.12
Why 55,000 Football Players Have Joined the PFA
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Why 55,000 Football Players Have Joined the PFA
POV: You Get Scouted To Join Man United Academy
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POV: You Get Scouted To Join Man United Academy
Maheta Molango: From Professional Footballer to Lawyer to CEO of the PFA | Ep.11
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Maheta Molango: From Professional Footballer to Lawyer to CEO of the PFA | Ep.11
Eric Cantona's OUTRAGEOUS outfit after we won the Double -Steve Bruce on Man United’s 1994 Victory
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Eric Cantona's OUTRAGEOUS outfit after we won the Double -Steve Bruce on Man United’s 1994 Victory
Why I Left Newcastle
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Why I Left Newcastle
Tom Cleverley's BIGGEST REGRET from his early days at Manchester United
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Tom Cleverley's BIGGEST REGRET from his early days at Manchester United

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  • @benjaminjung94
    @benjaminjung94 9 годин тому

    I’d say even contents like this is what fans crave. Behind the scenes, the plans and strategies behind the business and development are also incredibly interesting to true fans.

  • @DaSpaceJammer
    @DaSpaceJammer День тому

    Dude that black helmet was the best helmet on the grid while Nico was out there. Still one of my favorites of all time.

  • @marcushinton772
    @marcushinton772 День тому

    Get real Britney

  • @dridda9117
    @dridda9117 День тому

    like beckham? lol rugby isnt even close to football so no worries there lol

  • @TextingBiz
    @TextingBiz День тому

    *“Be honest who else Is just scrolling through shorts rn”😂*

  • @MegaLeonilde
    @MegaLeonilde 2 дні тому

    The editing can be noticed 😂.

  • @zeenakal1382
    @zeenakal1382 2 дні тому

    If you are a good driver, you will not get a red bull seat. If you have a lot of sponsors, you will not get a red bull seat. If you don’t know how to beat your teammate, red bull wants you.

  • @kabelotshita4510
    @kabelotshita4510 2 дні тому

    That’s intense so this how hard you have to work when you don’t have the same Level talent as another . That’s some Kobe level dedication but he only managed that for one season

  • @impushprajyadav
    @impushprajyadav 2 дні тому

    That's awesome elevenlabs is really impressive 😍

  • @impushprajyadav
    @impushprajyadav 2 дні тому

    Wow impressive 👏

  • @Rob_MCFC11
    @Rob_MCFC11 2 дні тому

    She claimed atreta phoned guardiola and asked him to put a higher bid in. No mention of this in this video

  • @JohnDoe-nt1sv
    @JohnDoe-nt1sv 2 дні тому

    His dad died and he became addicted to football to hide the pain 😢

  • @yourFinn
    @yourFinn 2 дні тому

    Best podcast ❤ love from India for Cummins and for creators

  • @ChenaeWhiteEdwards
    @ChenaeWhiteEdwards 2 дні тому

    Great interview! I appreciate her transparency and vulnerability. She’s brilliant.

  • @kalyankrishna5998
    @kalyankrishna5998 3 дні тому

    Though he's chill about this I can understand his disappointment behind his words. Cricket needs to get to it's lost glory. It needs to get the most summer sport in Aus, Eng & new zealand. It needs to be spread in more African nations & the white nations begin to respect the gentleman sport again. But that seems like a fairytale as long as a greedy BCCI controls the ICC from inside and out.

  • @RogueBrit
    @RogueBrit 3 дні тому

    Sorry but Surtees is also in that group the only World Champion in a car and on a Motorcycle

  • @orinorio1
    @orinorio1 4 дні тому

    Been saying this for Years. I supported Spurs from when they played at WHL. A club happy to finish 10th with maybe a cup. Getting into the EL was like being in the CL. Today Spurs are a club fighting for the top four and expecting to fight for the title. Levy has made Spurs one of the biggest club in the world despite the club not winning titles. He has made Spurs strong from the base. When he has done hasn't been done by any chairman in football.

    • @stratos5554
      @stratos5554 3 дні тому

      Only you and levy would rather finish top4 than get 10th and a trophy. I'm all for ucl football but the trophy is more important

    • @orinorio1
      @orinorio1 3 дні тому

      @@stratos5554 me and Levy ? See fans like you make no sense. You say Levy is all about profit yet say he doesn't care about wining things. When winning titles will be a bigger profit then finishing 4th. Levy is the Chairman he brings in mangers who are their to win titles. Poch came close but wasn't good enough. You of course will say he wasn't backed even though when he was PSG he was brought in to win the CL never happen. At Chelsea he got to finials what happen? When Man City wins the PL or when they one the triple last year. Who did you see holding the trophies? Was it the Chairman or Pep and the players, the minimum requirements that Levy wants is CL. An like him I want Spurs to win titles though understand its difficult

  • @colinturner4158
    @colinturner4158 4 дні тому

    The club looks great it’s run very very well but it takes in and creates a huge amount of money there’s been to many mistakes far to many managers and players simply not good enough in terms of on the field success

  • @sadasd1712
    @sadasd1712 5 днів тому

    Must be deepstate

  • @rezi31
    @rezi31 6 днів тому

    Hello, great stuff and quite professional! What is you podcast technical setup, what are you filming on? Thanks!

  • @freddiehicks1120
    @freddiehicks1120 6 днів тому

    Why would city purposely strengthen their rival 😆😆

  • @geoffstern7652
    @geoffstern7652 6 днів тому

    Daniel Levy has the worst trophy per season percentage stats of any THFC chairman since World War Two (statistical fact) whilst the Arsenal during the ENIC era (whilst being mostly crap) have won 7 FA Cups, 7 community shields and 2 Premier League titles. (16 trophies) During the ENIC era! Arsenal fans have celebrated their team picking up trophies at Wembley stadium on 14 occasions compared to LOSER LEVY'S 1 since ENIC bought THFC. Statistical fact!

  • @nicoles_handle
    @nicoles_handle 6 днів тому

    stay with us forever ben

  • @Nick-Makorov
    @Nick-Makorov 6 днів тому

    Prost

  • @fonejacker0
    @fonejacker0 6 днів тому

    Alarm bells are ringing with this guy. Chancer alert, spot one a mile off.

  • @SameerPadania
    @SameerPadania 6 днів тому

    Interesting to see the discussion about the role of short form content when elsewhere Bielsa is decrying it: ua-cam.com/video/Cb-D2RXT5tA/v-deo.htmlsi=Qe2MOgW_xuyMBv_v

  • @Keiran87
    @Keiran87 6 днів тому

    How can you say hes the Goat when he hasnt won every trophy when messi has and messi has won the world cup

    • @lordkhan
      @lordkhan 5 днів тому

      Messi had better teammates

    • @savagecoys
      @savagecoys 5 днів тому

      Messi hasn’t won the premier league, Serie a, or the euros

    • @Keiran87
      @Keiran87 5 днів тому

      @lordkhan hahahaha here we go excuses bro listen you can't put it down tol that ronaldo has already won the euros, so you can't say Argentina has better players. That's a kop out wherever I've heard one

    • @Keiran87
      @Keiran87 5 днів тому

      @savagecoys your obviously dumb as hell. I meant international honours

    • @Keiran87
      @Keiran87 5 днів тому

      @savagecoys you can't go on about any trophies. Your teams shit hasn't even won trophies. When was the last time you won a cup. You will always be the small team in London

  • @davidrobinson4596
    @davidrobinson4596 6 днів тому

    This lame asf. Money making focus not winning trophies MFS hoping to get lucky.

  • @Bravactkins
    @Bravactkins 7 днів тому

    Who is this fella?

  • @chrismarshall7417
    @chrismarshall7417 7 днів тому

    FUCK THIS ITS MAKING ME ANGRY

  • @lewis_essex
    @lewis_essex 7 днів тому

    LEVY OUT ENIC OUT

  • @jasonmarquis5798
    @jasonmarquis5798 7 днів тому

    Daniel Levy is nothing but a failure, and arguably the worse thing to happen to Tottenham Hotspur football club. 1 league cup in 24 years, all whilst he’s made himself a billionaire at the fans’ expense. If you think Daniel Levy is anything other than a failure, you need your head testing. Football is about glory. It’s about trophies. “To dare is to do”. ENIC OUT. LEWIS OUT. LEVY OUT!!!

  • @geoffstern7652
    @geoffstern7652 7 днів тому

    Meanwhile, whilst Johathan bigs up the ENIC business model, the clubs biggest rivals the Arsenal have won 7 FA Cups, 7 community shields, and 2 Premier League titles (whilst mostly being crap) since ENIC bought THFC for much less than they sold Harry Kane for!

  • @geoffstern7652
    @geoffstern7652 7 днів тому

    Daniels PR man keeps talking about long range planning after almost a quarter of a century of ENIC HOTSPUR...

  • @geoffstern7652
    @geoffstern7652 7 днів тому

    Daniel Levy has the worst trophy per season percentage stats of any THFC chairman since World War Two when no football was even being played. STATISTICAL FACT!!!

  • @glen8461
    @glen8461 7 днів тому

    Hey can the actual game be covered with more and better cameras angles in general play and up close? When it's on the other side of the field it can be really difficult to watch and see what is going on ,or even who was involved. Getting those basics right would greatly improve the experience of the majority of supporters worldwide I'd imagine. Content around the actual game and incidences in the game would be what would interest me. Watching the absolute best talent up close and their raw God given talent is a privilege. Cheers

  • @toxicheadshot8573
    @toxicheadshot8573 7 днів тому

    We fans want 🏆

  • @tommyruscitti3997
    @tommyruscitti3997 7 днів тому

    Fucking hell. Daniel levy is a con man. Profit over glory

  • @glen8461
    @glen8461 7 днів тому

    Thanks for coming to Melbourne , it was great seeing the players, ( established ones and the young up and coming). And of course the coach., Ange. We know it was difficult being so far and a completely different time zone and season .Appreciate it. Any chance of putting together some sort of book or quotations thingy on Ange and his coaching philosophy. Even going right back to his early days. ???? ( without giving to much away to the enemy ! )

  • @kevinyang2400
    @kevinyang2400 7 днів тому

    He could be talking about grimsby town for all we know. Since he hardly mentioned anything sbout the team and made zero mentions about Ange

  • @jacobkispotta43
    @jacobkispotta43 7 днів тому

    Indians are zero in games requiring speed, stamina and fitness like basketball, rugby, track and field, swimming, soccer etc. Instead of improving and working on it they are trying to spread this lazy game of cricket in other parts of the planet. It basically a game of convenience for India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka.Cricket is based mostly on skill and a minimum level of fitness is required. Even Inzamam ul Haq and Rohit Sharma types have become world champions scoring tons, with their level of fitness. If you can't bowl fast go for spin, running between the wickets in your own timing. In batting ball comes to you. Opponent never stretches you in Speed, stamina and fitness. It is never neck to neck fight in skill, speed, stamina, and fitness. Whereas in games like Soccer, hockey, basketball, tennis, rugby,track and field it requires enormous amount of speed, stamina, fitness and skill. Opponent stretches you in all these parameters. To beat Bolt you have to be like him in not only skill, but you have to be more in Speed, stamina and fitness, than him. So is with Maradona, Ronaldo, Phelps, Michael Jordan, Nadal, Djokovic etc. People from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka etc play cricket out of convenience. This is the reason even though soccer, basketball and other games are popular in Europe and US, but there also people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka etc settled for generations, play cricket only. These countries have made this lazy game their religion and are zero in all the other games which require speed, stamina, and fitness. British don't pride in cricket, they are soccer gaints. So are Australia, South Africa, New Zealand etc They are world class in soccer, rugby, track and field, swimming etc. If we combine cricket playing population of India , it is going to be even more than the population of Australia, England, South Africa etc combined, then also are not dominant. If you consider population to measure popularity than obviously cricket will be more popular, as most populous country like India are mad after cricket. Cannot produce heros in games requiring speed, stamina and fitness, India Pakistan Bangladesh Srilanka etc try to search heros in lazy game of cricket. You talk of Bolt, they will bring cricketer to compare, You talk of Pele they will talk of cricketer, you talk of Nadal and Federer they will talk of cricketer. You talk of Michael Jordan they will talk of cricketer. Cannot rise in tough games, Indians have become ambassador of the lazy game of cricket, Cricket mad nation can never be sporting nation. It's an attitude. Japan and Korea wants to compete with top developed nations and make their presence felt be it technology, economy and games. Today they are among top world class footballers alongside European giants. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka are vying amongst themselves in a lazy game cricket and totally zero in games requiring speed,, stamina and fitness. Media also offers what sells amongst its population. In India cricketers sell. How can people emulate, Milkha Singh, PTUsha, Sunil Chetri, Dhyan Chand, Neeraj Chopra, Maradona, Michael Jordan, Nadal Djokovic Michael Phelps etc . Physically it's very demanding and it's very very tough to compete at world level. Also sports means athleticism which we see in Great Milkha Singh, hockey giants, PT Usha, Neeraj Chopra, Leander Paes etc.Americans don't need this lazy game. Indo-Americans need this game cricket because they are not able to compete in any other game than cricket, which is based on skill. AMERICANS are a sporting nation who are world class in track and field, soccer, basketball, tennis, boxing, rugby etc They lead in medal tally in olympics. Rather India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka etc who are mad after this lazy game cricket should work hard to develop other games in which they are zero.

  • @robertlangley1664
    @robertlangley1664 7 днів тому

    I have all ways backed D Levy he’s build the training ground and the fantastic stadium with out putting the club in jeopardy

  • @northernspur6282
    @northernspur6282 7 днів тому

    The club I have supported for almost 60 years is now referred to as a product 😢

  • @lokmanyunussngeujin4395
    @lokmanyunussngeujin4395 7 днів тому

    Why can't he say trophies. Success is such a vague definition 🤦‍♂️#LEVYOUT

  • @innovirtua
    @innovirtua 7 днів тому

    Tesco made the same decisions with their supply chain in a box strategy. Cheap but terrible quality food.

  • @sclerwage
    @sclerwage 7 днів тому

    great podcast! The costume department shall soon be made redundant. Unless jogging is a critical faction of the podcast, I'd recommend leaving your shorts at the gym. COYS

  • @mhtbfecsq1
    @mhtbfecsq1 7 днів тому

    Good to know that my great great grandkids might get to see us lift a trophy.

    • @innovirtua
      @innovirtua 7 днів тому

      Just what I was thinking. Football will be played by robots in simulators by the time we're "sustainably competitive". Levy is the Bernie Ecclestone of Football. Sucking all the profit and the life out of the sport.

    • @orinorio1
      @orinorio1 4 дні тому

      Its interesting, When Man City win titles its always the Chairman who get interviewed after. He is the one that everyone says he is the reason they won. Nothing about the manger at all. When I see a team doing the bus event its always the chairman on the bus holding up the trophy never the manger or players.

  • @shepnic
    @shepnic 8 днів тому

    Always wondered with the size of squads nowadays, why clubs don’t split in two and head to two different countries for brand building games. You’d get superstars in both teams. Reckon both would still sell out stadiums around the world (at the same time).

  • @CodeCritters
    @CodeCritters 8 днів тому

    The most poignant mistake, let me guess, senior concession removals.

  • @GuidodeKortOfficial
    @GuidodeKortOfficial 8 днів тому

    50:10 Which club in EUROPE he asked. Answer: Liverpool. That's not even IN EUROPE technically. I'd have respected Mr Turner if he replied Real Madrid, because they win everything. The aim of the game. This is how I get this is a series of waffle.