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Macaspeed tested the .457 cal long barrel and hit 645 fps / 195 ft/lbs KE

S2 is $229 right now for launcher only. SD is $409 and LE is $509

A lot of people are having problems with the LE I don't think it was quite ready for prime time. I just got my S2 it's nice.

Nice too see a side by side review. I have the compact myself. Thanks

good review

Just buy what you want. Comparisons are nice, but they are 2 different systems. So of course they have different levels of operation. I have a Byrne LE. I can shoot like 15-20 on one CO2. But the point is to use it to stop or slow down so you can escape. And if you can’t escape, I guarantee you that 2 mags of 7 shots each will stop just about anyone. Plus I can reload in 5 seconds. 2-3 in the groin and if needed 10 in the head. I have a 1000lum light and a laser sight accurate to 40ft. But I am sure that the other one will work just as good if the shots are placed well. Cheers

Hey A.G.R where did you get those sites?

I have #4 buckshot in my harpoon I'll stick with that

Have a second hand HDR.50 and with silicone spray still no leaks and have something like Kratos devastator rounds 6 mm steel ball

Thats right man i have same pistol with valve removed and it is super powerful i dont not how many joules have but pass trough a coconut with 8.7 grams round balls im scared when i shot it cuz i filing the shots with to much power . I thinking it can be letal easily if u shot in the head or you gonna broke bones if shots in the chest thats no joke gun very danger for sure you stop any one with the first shot to put the intruder down in the ground. Of course you only can shot 4 shoots or 5 but you dont need that much rounds to stop a intruder just with the first shot a full power. My gun shots 5 shots one a full 100% power the number 2 shot at 90% the 3rd shot at 70% of power and the shot number 4 at 50% of power . So the first and second shots are the good ones

10 joules probably won't do much with clothes on, more like 20 joules and up are better chances especially to face if against a zombie, crazy, superhuman, even 9mm won t stop some ppl right away unless its a head shot, having a firearm is better but still doesn't garrentee u win a gun fight, u can aim face shots better with less lethal also, the best thing is to stay outta harms way because u can still lose even with firearm especially if not knowing how to aim good, I would never brag about having a firearm because it can get tooking as soon as its used buy law, and going to trial, etc.

At this point, I’m just waiting on the big names in less lethal to release more compact models of launchers in the future. If Salt Supply can produce a compact S2 and keep the price right, they’d have the best launcher hands down

This video should help many of the potential buyers out there make an informed decision. Thanks for sharing with us. I do have some thoughts to add to the discussion. I personally will not buy another "big bulky" launcher. There are many bulky options that have good power but they just aren't for EDC. To me the Salt Supply S2 is too big also but I love the consistency. My TCP has mostly be relegated to the car or an off-body carry bag for select situations because of the size. Less Lethal pistols will continue to be an enigma. Small and compact is essential and the Byrna SD seems to fit the bill in almost every way but the desired power. I think at some point everyone is going to start to realize that we've already reached the max power per inch and learn to live with that. UA-camrs will continue to tease "gains" but it's really only tiny fraction increases at this point without elaborate HPA tanks, big CO2 carts, or carbine builds which are irrelevant for EDC.

Thank you for your videos. I have been debating which one of these to choose. Everyone is different but for me priorities are #1 Dependability, #2 Consistency, #3 Effectiveness. Also for me concealability. For brute power, it looks like the S2 is king. However, for a short round bellied guy, of the 3, the S2 is too large. For concealability the LE and the SD are close with the SD having a bit of an advantage. Between the LE and the SD - I really like the LE's sights, but had the idea of painting the sights of and SD for low light situations was reinforced by your video. While the SD has the least power in joules, research seems to show the average distance a firearm is used in self-defense is about 3 to 7 yards and I'm hoping that within that distance the SD (first round a kinetic) can provide sufficient inspiration to deter an assailant. If not the second round (Byrna Max) will help the assailant to weep over their decision to attack. After that, to avoid crying myself as the range between the assailant and myself may be reduced, the 3rd to 5th rounds will be kinetic. Hopefully 3,4, and 5 will supply sufficient owees to deter any further aggression. If multiple assailants need to be addressed the ability to swiftly load a second magazine seems to very important. To a poor (financially) guy like me the least amount to invest for resource to effectively bring about my goals/desired results, while being dependable and consistent have lead me decide on the SD. Thank you again for your videos.

A very good overview of these products and the good and bad points of each. I love my Byrna Hi Viz and its reliable. I also love the 50 Joule HDX I have for home defense. I'm looking forward to seeing the new Lancer Tactical Higos when it comes out next month (last we heard). It's a 35 Joule .68 launcher that will be under two hundred. If it lives up to the claims, it'll give the Gavle a run for its money at less than half the cost. Where all of these really shine is when you mix in the chemical rounds with your kinetic rounds. Honestly it doesn't matter what you get on the second and third magazine as in most all cases, its the first magazine that will get you out of the situation and to safety. If you have to reload, you're probably screwed at that point LoL.

One of the most detailed videos I have seen on the subject. I always get a lot of questions on what works best and what people should purchase. I always tell everyone if you're not carrying it. The S2 is definitely what I would pick up. There are so many options in less lethal nowadays and it continues to grow since the market continues to demand it. Going to be a very interesting next couple of years as we see what hits the market. I tell everyone who asked that there are lots of us out here discussing these alternatives and it's best to watch everyone and pick your own weapon that will work for you. Here's hoping they find this video since these are the three that seem to be advertised and promoted on most of the channels. Great video. Well thought out and very well presented. Keep it up.

Very good video, I own the Le and the salt s2 both excellent choices. I too am a lefty.

Devils in the details. Very thorough. 👍🏼

I really hope people use as much sense as possible, when relying on such a product. This product is absolutely no where near the reliability it should have. People should get a firearm if you need to defend yourself. If your not allowed to have a firearm, not my problem, that’s your problem, you obviously did something to achieve that. People need to understand though, if you fire this at someone with a firearm, your gonna get someone throwing lead back at you. This is the worst product ever and people who are claiming it is great are insane. You will only piss someone off, really bad. It may deter some people, but the rest of us are throwing lead back at you. This is the worst idea ever made for self protection. I just can’t keep watching these videos and not express sincere concern for people thinking they are safe, with this product. I guarantee your not, at all.

Nice ! 😊

Why not make a pump too!?!?!?

Why to much panic you so scared 😱 😂😂

Their just leaving room for future improvements. while dudes like you buy each one like its an iphone😂

The 22 lr have same power than you Lesley so dont say Lesley is no letal

Lesley is letal man why u say almost letal

You Chanel name is less letal 😂 aea are no less letal man is letal like a fire arm

Salt supply S2 half the price and twice as good.

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Just a guess here but listen, neither gun is designed to store with punctured co2, right? But still techncally being contained pressure systems, means that each has a specific amount of EXTRA co2 escapping during each shot. Escaping to...? Whereever it can go depending on the shape of the plastic just past the metal valve. Meaning if the plastic isnt vented or spacious enough to disperse the air enough.. that co2 bounces back and cools down the metal valve even more than just firing it already had, and droppin the cylinder temperature even lower with each shot. So you have a co2 cylinder, pressurized within a cold metal valve, surrouned by thick cold plastic. Yaa its not warming up anyime soon.. So presuming you're aware that co2 pressure increases dramatically with heat...well, thats why the byrna started off strong and got weaker with each shot. The salt might just be shapped better to keep cylinder stable temp. Try breaking the rules just slightly and letting byrna sit and warm back up for like a half hour after firing each shot. Id wager itd be a lot more consistent.

Well, I'm very conflicted, I don't like the looks of the S2, as it looks like a BB gun and to me that has reduces it effectiveness as a deterrent to would be attackers. I was ready to buy the Byrna LE, but It looks like according to your analysis that I would be better off buying the SD. This video is 5 months old, and I wonder if Byrna has done anything to improve the LE since then. I don't know what to do now. I have watched a dozen videos, including your video "5 reasons to buy a Byrna LE" and I'm thoroughly stuck in the mud now.

That's the "AEA Harpoon".

I still prefer the size of the SD though - and 10 joules is still a good punch...

Good and well narrated lesson for beginners, I'm sure even experienced less lethal members has gained something new. Question what is the difference between the chrono you used and the one hand held such as that used by Rune Rebel and wich one between the two do you recommend for testing mostly outside?

Great video my friend. Too many people get baboozled by velocity alone. Less lethal launchers are designed to dump surface energy into to a target, not go straight through.

I always appreciate the in-depth information you share. Keep it up. Great video!

Its always good to get a refresher on how to calculate the power of your various launchers with the different ammo types so you know which is best for your needs.

The velocity of the 2.9 gram Byrna fired from the Grimburg Gavle would probably be very high.

Nice review, well done and thoughtfully explained. I wonder what the Byrna 2.9 gram projectiles will do when shot from the Salt s2?

Thank you, knowledge is victory in staying safe. Subscribed.

Regarding the safety not going on after the first shot, what happens if you open and re-cock it?

nah gives me the Byrna anyday.. I had a ball slightly crack open and I was dying... salt could never do that.. when it comesnto self defense I'd take the high strength chemical mase anyday

I want a lever action with these

I'm not sure why people don't take these seriously, I would love for people who call these toys to try n take a shot from a"toy"/airgun like this and tell me it's not threatening or as good! At least power wise ! If im playing devils advocate, though... let me say this, i believe if you can carry a firearm, then you should 100% or at least maybe both, real for backup. But i say this cause i would much rather have this than nothing at all, especially if you are a felon or ex felon, parole, probation, etc. Or simply cause of your local b.s. laws. This to me would be not bad for home defense, truck type gun. extra for reload already aired up. Then almost as simply like putting 2 more shells in a shotgun. Almost lol

Never ceases to amaze me how much money people are willing to WASTE on these obscenely expensive pop guns. 442fps is comical and about as threatening as a housefly. Boys with toys pretending to be men with guns.

Awesome great info and vid thanks 👍🏽 Ordering one up

I want to see avideo ofyou deiseling the shot. I bet that would be crazy

It's so close to being perfect. But not quite.

Great review!

Why would any gun ever be designed with a safety that can't be put on 100%.Don't sound safe to me.

Round that out with some holster opinions?