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Hi, brother 👋 Thanks for your kindness. I don't use any sealer for the inside except those paper strips that covers the rib joints. About the glue: I do use Tidebond glue for the most parts. But I have also used hide glue but for the neck join I don't use it. For neck join I use PVA glues like Tidebond 🙏♥️

Hello brother. I hope you have a great time 🙏 I can share the dimensions with. That's fine But if you wanted to have the template that I have designed, I'm going to make it ready for print and CNC with measurements and details included to actually sell it. I've decided to ask 30 US$ for this package. It is all you need to design an oud bowl (plus Neckblock and Tailblock details) I've already share everything you need for your work on my UA-cam channel videos. But this is what I really spent time and energy on designing it with computer. If you're ok with this, I will be happy to send you these files which will be ready in the next week. 🙏❤️

Right now I'm going to prepare all needs of making a bowl, like the ribs template, mould template, neck and tail block also. This files are all printable and able to CNC cut. It's all I already shared on my videos but for those who want it ready to use I wanted to sell this bowl template package for thirty us dollar. Because this part and designing on computer takes lots of time for me and I will be appropriated if someone pay this price and I will send all the details in one single email. It will be also a great support 🙏♥️

Thanks for your kindness 🙏 Right now I'm going to prepare all needs of making a bowl, like the ribs template, mould template, neck and tail block also. This files are all printable and able to CNC cut. It's all I already shared on my videos but for those who want it ready to use I wanted to sell this bowl template package for thirty us dollar. Because this part and designing on computer takes lots of time for me and I will be appropriated if someone pay this price and I will send all the details in one single email. It will be also a great support 🙏♥️

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That's such a very kind words 🙏 but sometimes building an instrument is like reverse engineering to masters of old time! In order not to reach them just technically! But we need that sound we are looking for! That sound in our common sense, all of us as human. But I love being as precise as I can because I'm getting excited when I dive into details. Matching woods is something that I've seen lots of lovely examples and I just first need to understand the path, find my own way 🙏

@@mansouroud That's what I thought about you Bro. so stunning .

Thank you so much for your kind words! 🙏❤️

You know! What we need is to use as little glue as possible in our joints for long, long-lasting life and sound also (sound is affected, especially when our glue has some kind of elastic characteristic like PVA glues). Burning the wood is not that problematic as long as it does not get fragile. I've seen some traditional makers using a direct flame to bend wood. They burn it, but I don't prefer it personally. Also, burning some parts and leaving other parts normal can make your Oud sound unpredictable, I think.🙏❤️

@@mansouroud About the elastic glue: does this mean that the bowl should be as rigid as possible? In that case, would the thickness of the wood strips affect sound? Regarding the burning, I guess that severe blackening would destroy the wood structures and cause it to loose elasticity, which doesn't matter much for the bowl but matters for the soundboard. Of course in oud making you never heat the soundboard, but for other instruments like Uyghur duttar they often heat mulberry soundboard to cook out the oil and dome it. They take extra care not to blacken it.

@abdumushuk2219 about elasticity of glue, I'm talking about how chrisp it is in comparison to pva family of glues. Also reacting to climate, natural and living character that Hide glue has, makes it a better candidate for a wooden musical instrument. In my opinion. But effects on sound would be that chrisp quality has on making the vibration uniform. It is more close to wood itself. Also glue does not handling pressure, so we need a good matching. Thickness can gives us more reliable joint but makes the instrument heavier but it's the maker choice. I've seen a very lovely vibration in some ouds with thick woods but there is some kind of tuning about harmonizing the thickness all around the soundbox body. I haven't tried it that precisely yet!

@@mansouroud that's interesting... I'd imagine a crisp glue would help vibration because it won't dampen vibrations. This afternoon I just sanded some mahogany pieces to 3.3mm. I plan to use them to make a duttar bowl next month. Good luck to me!

@abdumushuk2219 I wish you best on your way to make another beautiful creation like Duttar. Here in iran we have duttar and I have many friends who make duttars. Lovely ancient instrument. I think normally Oud ribs are thinner than Duttar. I've seen my friends make their duttars with 3.5mm to 4mm or even more. For Oud some luthiers use less than 3mm which I don't prefer. Happy new project 🙏♥️

Thank you so much for your kind words. 🙏❤️

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I've been working with Hide glue on some of my Ouds but right now I don't access a good hide glue. After 20 minutes to half an hour its ready for the next rib.

@ I wish you success 💐 thanks for the answer

Thanks 🙏♥️

Your welcome brother 🙏♥️

Thanks a lot sawdafi 🙏♥️

Exactly 👌🤦 that's why I'm making these videos. Because I've been one of those who digging those videos to find my way. Hope to see my videos been helpful to others 🙏♥️

Your welcome 🙏♥️

مرسی حسام 🙏❤️

شکرا 🙏❤️

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درود به شما. والا بستگی داره به نگاه شما! اگر قصد دارید که به عنوان شغل و درآمد بهش نگاه کنید و تجهیز کنید قشنگ، خب بیشتر. اگر قصد تجربه و یادگیری دارید، که تجهیزات ابتدایی‌تر و طبیعتا هزینه کمتر! باز به این ربط داره که چقدر با کار چوب، سازسازی آشنایید، چقدر خلاقید، چقدر پشت‌کار دارید. همه‌ی اینا روی هزینه تاثیر داره

درود به شما عقیل خان. زنده باد من راستش خودم الان ساکن شهر کازرون در استان فارس هستم. سازسازی همه جا اوکیه!

If I remember it correctly, the length of this design is around 52 cm. Now I reduced the bowl length to 50 cm. But keep the width to 36cm. The bowl depth is 18cm. The best strings length is 60 cm on this new plan. So the bridge will be exactly at 10 cm to the bottom of the bowl. 🙏♥️

The ribs dimensions vary depending on the size and shape of the oud you are building. The thickness is 3.5 mm in this case. But about the dimensions: for this bowl I want to build that have 17 ribs, 35 cm width, widest part of the ribs will be 33mm and 67cm long. I'm going to share my oud bowl plan soon. There you can have the exact shape and sizes, print or cnc them to work with 🙏♥️

Thanks, brother for your kindness 🙏❤️

For sure. Thanks for your suggestion 🙏

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Hello, my dear brother Irfan. Thanks for your kind words, and I'm glad that you liked my videos and found them helpful. I'm into making a full video on how I bend my Oud bowl ribs at the moment, which I think could answer lots of your questions. But for now, I would say that: 1. If you spend on any method, you will be masters at that soon. So it does not really matter, in my opinion. Of course, every method has its own pros and cons. So the hot pipe (which is more common in guitar and violin making) is also very nice. The advantage of this method is that you will be free to form any king of shape on wood. I have tried it first, but its like its not my cup of tea. 2. Yes, this heater that I designed restricts you to bend in a specific kind of shape. but not that much. because there are two steps on bending: the first is heater, and the second is micro adjustments. In the second step (of course in my method), you can change it. Heater just gives you an overall bending to know where the main curve is (main curve: at the bottom of the bowl) 3. The temperature we need is something that does not burn the wood! thats it. As long as you could bend without burning too much, that's fine! Even with some traditional methods, some luthiers work with direct flame and even burn the wood a bit, but personally, I prefer not to burn the wood because wood carbon leads it to be more fragile! 4. The surface material on my heater is galvanized iron, which is just iron that covers with zinc. so it became stainless. with 2 mm thickness. I hope I could cover some of your questions, and I hope you could find some other answers in my next video on the bending process. Respect 🙏❤️

@@mansouroudDear brother Mansour, thank you so much for your response and details you provided. Your explanation is much appreciated and extremely valuable. I look forward to your video and I will await it. InshaAllah. Stay blessed my friend. Connect soon. ❤️🙏

Yes, it's normal straw paper. Some use different papers that contain a bit of plastic in them. but tape is not good because of its adhesive. We need more strong glue. like wood glue, which is last longer

I'm very happy that my videos have been interesting to you. This is the Spruce wood I've used for those blocks 🙏❤️

Your welcome 🙏

It would be amazing if you have access to q lathe machine. I don't have one right now

I will publish my oud plan with all the measurements but it takes a little bit time for me to make it ready

Your welcome. Thanks for watching and feedback 🙏

Salam 🙏

I didn't clearly understand what you mean about doming the soundboard. Can you explain more please 🙏

@ Sorry lol I mean using properly curved braces to make the soundboard domed instead of flat, as guitar soundboards and back boards are.

@@mansouroud I believe some guitar soundboards are completely flat, and both flat and domed soundboards can produce "good" sounds. But I do believe doming would make differences, whether or not they are desired differences is another question lol

@abdumushuk2219 braces are unbelievable. Every little changes on them have big effects on the sound

@ A related question: why are oud braces all transverse? Is it because the soundboard's width is quite large relative to its length? Are there alternative bracing patterns?

This one (instrument) that I was working on was a collaboration with another luthier from Egypt. He was talking about some reasons in order to balance the sound color all over the soundboard. Honestly I didn't like the results but as far as I could understand, in the most string instruments (specially middle eastern), luthiers always play with soundboard thickness. But me also haven't clearly understand the effects yet 🙏 I will share anything I could find

@@mansouroud that's very interesting indeed... I've never imagined asymmetric thickness patterns, but now it seems to make sense, or at least worth experimenting. Thank you!

@abdumushuk2219 we need first to learn document our process.

Thanks a lot 🙏❤️ I really believe in sharing our knowledge and experience in this field. And we need it

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Thanks 🙏 I will make a video specially on the details of making ribs, bending them and matching to each other

@@mansouroud BEATIFULL Thank you dear Mansour

@@mansouroud Another advantage is that I explain it in English, since translators of any Asian language, whether Arabic, Chinese or Armenian, translate sentences with insulting words. Thank you very much for your dedication.

@sembrandoamor3 thanks for your kindness 🙏❤️

Thanks a lot for your kindness and kind words. I wish I could deserve this 🙏 Yes, your right, the treble string wasn't that sweet to me too. I will working on it for sure and take notes. Making your instrument is such a joy and to me crafting and building an object that you can feel it physically, is an amazing experience. Wish you start making your own, it's not a hard thing to do. It's a journey

Thanks a lot 🙏 yes, I like this method

Making mistakes is inevitable. I'm trying to grow with sharing my way with you guys. Thanks for your support and positive energy 🙏♥️

Thanks a lot 🙏 we make it, you play it divine 🙏❤️❤️

Happy to help🙏❤️

Thank you for your kind words 🙏❤️ I love details personally, so what I'm doing is completely natural and obvious to me. Also in my opinion, making an instrument is a game of playing with details. This is a right place to dive into details. I'm happy that you liked it 🙏

Your welcome, brother 🙏❤️

congratulations🙏❤️

Thanks a lot! 🙏❤️