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Wow, I am incredibly looking forward to your Montagne video. Like others, I think they are very close to their inspirations while smelling natural/of quality. Their Layton/Greenley clones comes to mind as some of their best recreations (tested alongside my full bottles of the OGs)

Great video. You make some great points that really made me think. 👍🏼

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Thank you for this angle of thought

Then big companies should stop charging $150 for $12 worth of ingredients and hardware. Simple as that. Is it unethical to make insane profits? Nope, and neither is cloning.

If as a consumer you can be tricked, thinking for example you are getting a Sony dvd player or Levi’s jeans but you’re just getting a knockoff of inferior quality, then I could see an issue. Largely though bottle styles and product naming is different so there is a clear difference between OG and inspired fragrance. Jury is out though in quality, maybe clone houses are allowed to include cheaper ingredients that might be allergenic or otherwise banned by western perfumery for good reason

Cline quality is good for the most part whats unethical is the price the none clones go for and most of the time the expensive stuff will not last or project long so I will continue to get the more bang for my buck and NOT PAY high price for the so called good stuff that's not good at all period !

I agree I dint like clones at all but I can see why people do buy them. Fragrance prices are out of control.

I dont really care too much about dupes. Not a fan and i dont rly own any besides one (TF dupe ofc) But my problem are ppl online praising them up like theyre a gift from god while trashtalking the original its duping to the ground. Thats where my disliking comes from Scents itself arent too bad

Wearing Tortillas for Thanksgiving later today 😂 I was lucky to get Reflection 45 for a heavy discounted price (I think it was a clerk error or something from Fragrancenet). Tortilla and Turkey…. I have done that, don’t ask 😂

It's intellectual property theft. If someone cloned any other kind of art it would be considered theft

my god, his monotone voice ......grrrr

I own a few clones and have an interesting relationship with them. The majority of my clones are of niche fragrances. In some cases, the clone was my introduction to a particular DNA and I may have loved that clone so much to the point that it made me want to try the original fragrance and led to me actually buying the original (this was the case with Kilian Black Phantom, Bond No 9 Chinatown, and Creed Virgin Island Water (my favorite Creed) among a few others). In other cases, the clone either performed better than the OG on my skin or had subtle differences from the original that I liked. Or maybe the original was more that I was willing to pay and while I liked it, I didn't like it enough to pay what it cost retail (Aventus Cologne and Boadicea the Victorious Blue Sapphire come to mind) so the clone was the better alternative. Clones are also a great option for when a particular fragrance is discontinued. I used to own Gucci Pour Homme II and by the time my bottle ran out, the fragrance was discontinued and original bottles were selling for up to $1,000 on eBay. Finding a near identical clone of it for $40-50 was great considering how much I love the scent. Some people like clones and some are 100% against buying them and that's fine either way. I think they do serve their purpose though.

Kenzo Homme EDP please!

Designers and niche brands make clones of other fragrances, they just change the price and the bottle.

just got it for $100. onenof the best pick ups i got in a while

All things are clones in a way. I don’t buy clones though. I’m a perfumer and wouldn’t want someone making a cheap knockoff of my work. Also I don’t care how close it is. It’s never quite the same.

Yeah, first of all, these brands are charging way more than they should. Especially after all the reformulations. There was a time when I looked down on clones, but not anymore. The people who hate clones to me. Are starting to become nothing more than people who have to virtue signal. I guess they respect the artistry of craft beer but they drink whatever they feel like drinking.

Great analogy in the end with a guitar being 90% in tune. That would make it sound a bit flat or sharp, which is two fitting words for describing most dupes. I share a lot of your thoughts on this. I couldn’t care less about clones myself but i totally get the appeal. It’s quite similar to guitars and guitarists. They tend to begin their guitar journey with an epiphone or squier. For some, that squier is good enough even later on. Others end up chasing vintage Gibson custom shop les pauls. Customers have different needs and there’s often room for both on the market.

I would bet seven quadrillion dollars that every person that says clones are unethical stream all their music where the artists that spend decades making music get paid less than a penny per stream.

I’ve followed some of your other ventures on UA-cam. Just ran across this one. Thanks for the transparency and honesty. Subbed.

oh my god i used to watch your videos on your other channel a while back. i’m glad to see you looking good!

Great video. Regarding cost of development, the creation process for a new fine fragrance is often less expensive than people might think. Most of the best perfumers today work as employees of the large companies that source, process and produce fragrance components (like Givaudan, IFF, Firmenich). They also have access to captive molecules and bases that are not available to independent perfumers. Very often those perfumers do not even sign their work for a client when it goes into production. And sometimes they work for the same middle-Eastern houses that also produce "clone" fragrances - or for UA-cam influencers who sell their own name-branded fragrances. As for artistry vs craftsmanship, most new mass-market scents are derived from pre-existing off-the-shelf formulas or re-combined building blocks. They are very fast to prototype for the client, often in multiple combinatorial variants in parallel. There is rather little art in the creative process for most industrially produced fragrances.

It's a product, a commodity. If you commercialize your "art" then prepare for the market to respond. I really don't care for the moral grandstanding and labeling it "unethical" or the gatekeeping of what "real" fragrances are.

Just got it. You must wear a beard alongside this. +30 to my testosterone lvl.

I think that if someone doesn't use the original formulation exactly, they've done nothing wrong. Similar to generic brands at Costco: you can buy a $40 pair of knockoff jeans if you don't want to pay $200 for the (maybe) higher quality original.

Also we can add that even among ''non-clone'' brands there's a lot of implicit cloning happening just as much. How many times did a brand release a leather scent that people compare to Tuscan Leather, or Dior Homme (original) ? Or even Abercrombie Fierce. To be honest even big designers or niche houses will ''do their own spin on that idea'' and I don't really see how it's so different from cloning, you can argue the intent and the brief just happened to end up with a similar result but how can we know ? If anything, if your fragrance gets duplicated or imitated enough, eventually it becomes a whole genre such as fougeres or blue fragrances etc. That being said, brands that not only clone the scent but try to also mimic the bottle design so that you can tell at a glance that there's an inspiration, I think that's somewhat more dishonest, but on the other hand why support the huge companies who want you to pay 300$ for a cherry scent that lasts 2 hours on skin if a more financially responsible alternative exists ?

I don’t have too many clones, but I’m not against them. I get it, and I completely agree with the counterfeit vs clone argument. And yeah…I love Dr. Thunder so 😂 I’ll go to a bar and see a cover band, but admission is $5, not $200. If it’s one of my favorite bands, I’ll buy a ticket to their concert, not see a cover. I had a similar mentality with scent. I’m not a massive fresh fragrance guy, so I bought a few Lucianno clones to wear out the shower after a workout for 3 hours before bed. Rather than spend a ton of money on those profiles directly from LV, I grabbed 3 for like $100. I’m not really team clone, but I am certainly not looking down on them.

Unethical is the prices of Tom Ford's fragrances

The argument of raw ingredients is pretty hilarious. It's like saying canvas, paint and brushes are not that expensive, so why pay 1000$ or what not for a painting :)

I'll put it to you this way: You (actually you, the reader) have grown up passionate about perfumery, you spent years learning the art and loving the process. You decide to risk it all, pouring everything you got (money and effort) into starting a company and your talent and love for the craft results in you creating a fragrance that is immediately loved and goes viral overnight. You are happy and proud of your achievements and, having been a customer yourself, you believe in fair pricing. Out of nowhere, some unknown company in the middle east (which you can't get info about), rips your fragrance and builds a bad, clumsy, cheap copy of yours, selling it at a fraction of the price and employing shady tactics like sending bottles to every influencer out there. The irony is that you cannot do absolutely anything about it, you could have never patented your art. How would this make you feel? It's not always about corporations. Rules and legislations should be made to cover the extreme cases also.

Another great video / can you list your top 5 favorite clones you tried

GIT to me performs great. I don’t need a 12 hour fragrance lol when I wear GIT I get compliments all the time. It’s a clean and doesn’t over do it. It’s not meant to fill the room. This is my favorite most versatile fragrance along with grey vetiver parfum

Iv never bought clones and I never will I think mostly bc I see Cuba shilling them and for some reason I really hate that guy and his followers 😂

I don’t mind cheap middle eastern clones because I personally haven’t found any that are better than the originals, what i dislike is when a perfume releases for $350 made by a certain perfumer, and then a year later that perfumer goes to another company, reuses that same formula and releases a fragrance for $100, that is something i find unethical.

The point of everything being done for just 5$ is true and they teach you well. Look at the soap industry. I buy a soap base of 5 lbs for 20$. I could make 4 soaps from just one pund. So in the 20$ I could make 20 soap bar of 4oz. So you sell each bar in 6$ because inflation and is a natural product, it is an artistic item, etc.. Those 20 bars at 6$ you get a 120$ take out the 20$ for the soap base, take out 5$ for the essentials oils in the soap and you use less than half bottle anyways, packaging could be another 5$. If you want the shipping could be paid by the consumer until you grow a big business. So with 30$ you could make a business with a 75% profit margin. The first five soaps selled make the whole business operating, the other ones are profit. Not only that with a pound selled you operate the whole business because in that pound you already have gained the investment back. The same is with perfumes in general same concept different industry. Except with some oils that are really expensive in the 100$ an ounce.

Watching your detailed videos proofs to me that smell is def subjective. I have this perfume and my take on it is very different than yours. In the last two years I def learned not to go about a Parfum only by watching reviews. I’ve tried many perfumes were rated top in online reviews, but just not my thing. I like how you explained the brain part responsible for the smell and how it defines what we like and what we don’t. Last winter I used few Penhaligon perfumes that I loved during a friendship that failed. Now I hate those perfumes because they remind me of that person and period. 😂

Of course it’s not unethical

Totally agree. But, I do get the argument that it's stealing. I look at it like, I can't own the Mona Lisa, or won't buy a very expensive print of it. But I can have a cheap poster on the wall and appreciate it all the same. Look at Zara...that whole company is practically a clone brand ripping off styles from other brands, from the shirts to the jackets to the shoes and yes, the fragrances. There's a place in the market for them.

I think it's the designer and niche houses fault for charging so much, that clones are even blown up as much as they are. So it is what it is, if you can get niche or designer, get niche or designer, if you can only get clones, get your clones peeps.. who really freaking cares... lol... Make Fragrances Cheap Again! 😂😂

Good stuff bro! 💯💪🏼

Funny that you mentioned Montagne at the end bc that's the best clone house by far. The middle eastern clone houses don't hit for me but I was blown away by almost all of the Montagne offerings