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technically, yes. But there is only one unofficial parking place at the section of Glass Road where SART intersects it. It would also shorten your ride significantly and, IMO, it wouldn't be worth the drive up there to shuttle only half of upper SART. Or worse, drive all the way up there only to find the one parking space is filled. Instead, head up the 38 to the start of upper SART at the South Fork parking lot (left side of the HWY across from Southfork campground) and do the whole thing (only 11miles). You can park a second car at Seven Oaks if that is not still closed to public access or up at Angelus Oaks. All that said, you will want to be cautious as both bridges are out and there was significant trail damage from last year that still hasn't been repaired. Still doable but be prepared to get wet and a few hike-a-bikes off trail.

Reports say that multiple miles of it were destroyed by flooding this year. It will be another long haul to bring it back. With the major loss of plant life on the surrounding hills, I'm not sure if this portion of the Gabe will be sustainable given the amount of debris that strong storms will force down that valley in the future.

You cannot ride up from the bottom at Indian Canyons and you'd probably hate it if you did. To get here, start at the top off Route 74. If you really want to ride up to this, you'll have to go up Dunn road from the Cathedral City side, down the sand wash, then up from there. Then back out the way you came in. A brutal ride, IMO.

Drinks on the way up = burps on the way down.

I always fly in with my bike. But there's lots of places to rent from in town. I doubt there is a wrong choice.

Sadly, it's probably not in the cards for me this year. If it happens, it will be in the Fall. Would love to get my e-bike out there and gobble some miles.

No. Almost never but especially in places like this. There aren't good reasons to be afraid of animals that do almost everything in their power to avoid humans. And given the space to do so, they almost always do. In this area especially, there is plenty of time and space for them to avoid us so it rarely enters my mind. The only places where I worry about them at all are the trails in Orange County, which exist on narrow strips of land that force lions and humans together in ways that aren't natural. This allows lions to grow comfortable with humans while also narrowing their access to territory and food. Then there is the logical side. While being attacked by a powerful animal is understandably fear inspiring, it's not logical to be afraid when you look at the statistics. You should be way more afraid of bees, large herbivores, lightning or your own competency on the bike as those things are far more likely to end your lief than a lion. And yet, nobody asks if I worry about bees or elk. I'm not allergic to bees but I've seen what elk can do and when animals like that are in the area, I worry mostly about them.

If you ever manage to even catch a glimpse of one from a distance, count yourself among the luckiest of mountain bikers and relish your good fortune. Otherwise, understand lion behaviors, be prepared to manage your own behavior if something so bizarrely rare as an encounter ever happens and go about your business. I'd worry a hell of lot more about whether your bolts are tight, or if you have the tools for a mechanical, on a ride like this than mountain lions... about a hundred other more likely problems besides.

@@outofshapemountainbikersne4243 that's nice to know. I'm a beginner. Should I get a trail bike or an XC bike?

@@zjtheman I recommend a trail bike. When you are first starting out, you don't know yet what segment of the sport will appeal to you. No matter how you feel today, you will almost certainly feel differently in a year or two. Trail bikes are the most well rounded. While they don't poses stand out qualities, they also don't make large compromises for a beginner to overcome. By contrast, XC bikes are highly specialized toward the fitness/climbing/long distance segment of the sport. They tend to be light and go up hill a little easier, but they also ask a lot more from the rider on the downhill side of things. In my experience, people tend to struggle much more with downhill skills than up.

Thanks. Enjoy the ride!

Thanks. I thought maybe people might want this kind of content but they've been pretty clear about preferring either clowns or experts as channel hosts. I was never going to be either of those things. :)

@@outofshapemountainbikersne4243 i know what you mean. but I appreciated your videos since it gave alot of information on the trails, more information than what other people provide. I mean, you got elevation stats as well as hazards. No one else has that information. I'm sure I'm not the only one that appreciated your videos.

@@BFBMTb You aren't the only one. To be fair, if I hadn't ended up starting another business, I'd still be making videos because it I enjoyed it and I didn't care about the low viewership. I understand how much stress there can be around making the drive to give a trail a try when all you might have is a day or two a week to ride and you don't want to risk that on a trail you might not enjoy. Or worse, you totally want to try it but it has intimidating logistics (like SART or Palm Canyon). It's fine with me if the channel never made a dime.

Which is best depends on factors. How tired you are when you arrive and the kind of terrain you enjoy the most are the big ones. If you are tired, Hahn and Wildhorse are the worst choices. A lot more climbing and desert traversal for smaller payoffs. That said, they are the only intermediate single track exit option. Cathedra is shorter but, IMO, has the greatest degree of difficulty and combined risk. If there is an in between, it's Art Johnson. Trailforks labels it red but I disagree. It has maybe .5 mile of truly high risk content but I have trouble seeing it as more difficult than Cathedral and the entire rest of it is way more advanced-intermediate and flowy with far less risk overall, which works out better if you are running out of gas after the sandwash.

Watch the weather for palm desert. It will be colder than it says at the top and hotter than it says at the sand wash. It is typical for everyone to shed layers after dropping into the river valley zone. Bring more water than you think you need - people die out there when the temps get into the high 80s. Wear pads - if not for falling then for the plants. Full length shins are recommended. Touch nothing. No plant is friendly. Conserve your energy on the way down. You might be a strong enough rider to do it all but better to find out how strong a rider you are at the top of the sand wash than to learn you are not as strong in the middle of it. There is no shade and the wash will not be firm with the rain so far behind. Lastly, plan your exit around having Dunn Road as a fallback exit in case things go wrong your first time out.

Thanks for the great tips!! Should be 72 on Thursday so I think we’ll still be in the safe zone.

Nope. The bottom is in Loch Leven at the bottom of the 38 in Mentone. The top is also off the 38 at South Fork up in the San Bernardino mountains. Quite a ways away from Jarupa Valley.

No streets, exactly. The name indicates the start location: Red Box Station at the Mount Wilson cut off, up the 2 (Angeles Crest Hwy). Trailforks link is in the description.

It's not really that gnarly. The log features are intimidating at first but once you get over them at speed you realize that they are more mellow than you imagined. Then there's the loose, exposed section toward the bottom. That part makes me the most uncomfortable. If it weren't for that section, I would rate the trail as advanced beginner.

Yep! Hey Tedroy!

Nope. But there are links to both MTB project and Trailforks above.

Thanks! Do you remember approximately how long it took to do the route? I’m assuming I will be a lot slower lol

@@jessicacarpio5660 Assuming that you are only inquiring about this section (Upper SART). Fast is any time shorter than an hour. On this run I had a slower friend and it took about an 1.5 hours. Even if you are really slow, it is still mostly downhill so it would take a serious effort to come in over 2 hours unless something bad happened or you just stopped for lots of breaks. If you are talking about an out n' back or loop version, then you are looking at more like 3-5 hours. To do just this section as a downhill shuttle ride, park one car at Seven Oaks drive up to South Fork. Ride Upper SART single track and then make a right when you come to Middle Control road. Take that down to Seven Oaks.

It’s hard to find a lot of recent info on this trail. It looks like a hidden gem! I am planning to do a downhill shuttle as mapped out on the mtbproject. I was worried about some of the route finding but your videos have been very informative. Have you gone out recently?

@@jessicacarpio5660 Hidden, maybe not. But gem for sure. All segments put together, this is one of the best and longest Epics in the western US. I rode it about a month ago and it was in great shape with only one downed tree. It's an old and very well built trail that naturally stands up to winters and erosion. So it's very reliable. It's also pretty easy to navigate since there are almost no options to take once you are on it. I need to get back up there soon, maybe next weekend.

I could do it for SART/Wildhorse in that time frame. Palm Canyon season is late fall through early spring. Once the temps are the mid 80s out there it's time to ride elsewhere.

@@outofshapemountainbikersne4243 Yeah, that was the concern for the group the heat

@@pepsnex For sure. People die out there in the summer months. It only takes one thing to go wrong and you're in a survival situation in that heat. No water source, little shade and the only way out is by foot, bike or copter. Not worth it when you can run something high altitude under the trees. If you have a decent group, I can probably arrange a shuttle for a Wildhorse drop just outside of Big Bear. Just as epic minus all the possibility of death by dehydration.

@@outofshapemountainbikersne4243 Understood. Yeah, we don't want to die ....we just wanna play bikes for now. Let me get with my group and get back to you on that. I moved our potential date for Palm Canyon to 12/4 so we'll keep you posted

Thanks! For the record, I have a bike bell. But nobody wants to sit through videos filled with ringing bells, so it stays off during video shoots.

The order in which they appear in the video is my best advice. That said, I've only been there twice so I'm not expert. I chose the recommended route off of MTB project and it seemed good.

It's not for everyone. But it's also easy to over index on the 1/8th of a mile where it is scary versus the other 15 miles of the entire trail that aren't like that.

@@outofshapemountainbikersne4243 ahhhhh I seeee . Thanks for the reply brother !

www.scoaoutdoors.net/event/16972/8am-mt-wilson-shuttle

@@outofshapemountainbikersne4243 Super cool! Can't believe I didn't know about this. I'm sure Covid has stopped the service... sadly.