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as if the androids existed or were active during Frieza's reign.

If sololy using manga material from DBZ, this video is entirely incorrect, Freiza specifically states that he made those transformation inorder to suppress his power. Freiza's "Final Form" is actually his own base form.

I like the idea that they can tap into of SSJ power without transforming, like when Base Vegeta gets a yellow aura and starts overwhelming DBS Broly. The more power they use the more SSJ traits they get, like it’s a spectrum.

Obviously i think the conclusion of trying to crunch all the numbers is a fool's errand, is the correct conclusion. DBS destroyed the scaling of dragon ball even worse than dbz did, so really whats the point. Plus, multiplication of infinity gets weird too. For example, blue goku X blue Vegeta should equal base vegito. If both can destroy infinite 3d space then theoretically vegito is infinite 4d

100% agree Super Saiyan is clearly FAR less than a 50x multiplier as the narrative and basic logic implies like you said. 5x is an enormous difference in strength and speed in a fight. Imagine the difference between getting punched by someone who can bench 200lbs vs 1000lbs. Assuming the rest of their body is proportional in strength. I'd think the latter would literallly kill a normal person and then some if they hit them seriously. Imagine someone TEN TIMES stronger than that. Someone who can bench 200lbs vs 10,000lbs. That's the difference between base and super saiyan... apparently. A serious punch hurting a great deal vs just crushing your skull.

Bulma is smart probably the smartest human but it’s stilly to think that some sayan armorer didn’t think of that and 100s of other army styles.

The thing is while Cold's height and horns resemble Frieza's second form, he's also got perfectly smooth skin on his arms and legs, more like Frieza's final form. Cold very well might have no other transformations and the discrepancy in height is just that he is so much older than Frieza, who might even still be a "child", while the horns could just be something he wears as a crown and to look more imposing. Especially with modern secondary media stating Frieza's race can grow their own bio-organic clothing and also Frieza stating he chose the colors of his new augmented form, it would seem entirely plausible that Cold being far more experienced than his son doesn't need to transform to restrict his power, and instead chooses his appearance entirely for esthetic reason. Seriously, the argument that Trunks would have never given him time transform doesn't hold much merit, when we know for a fact that Goku also beat Cold in the original timeline, and Goku has never been the sort be satisfied fighting an opponent at anything except their best.

Most viewers clicked on this video because this random ass clickbait picturr

Time wasted 5:26 min

to me ssj1 isn't the problem, ridiculous is ssj2 and 3 and people thinking that 2 or 4 times ssj is a "small boost"

he def forgot 😂

This is why I turned away from all the classic accepted multipliers, because some of the gaps in power people come to are frankly absurd. I simply refuse to believe that Super, Manga or Anime, accurately portray Super Saiyan God as multiplying base power by tens of thousands while Goku is perfectly happy to fight someone like Jiren or Broly at his base form first, wouldn't that logically get him squashed like a bug? After a certain point not being transformed is simply an unintelligent move and learning to never turn it off, never descend once for the rest of your life would just be safer for you. I completely agree with the assumptions made about Goku on Namek, and I also agree that Super Saiyan isn't just some useless vestigial thing later on, it clearly maintains some form of consistent usefulness and power no matter how strong the Saiyan gets. I wouldn't believe myself that it becomes less effective forever but instead reaches a certain lower limit as it tries to keep up with the intense base power improvements that many of the Saiyans experience throughout the series. Kaioken always threw a wrench into things like this, but I have a rebuttal for people who might get the reaction- "Why doesn't he just always use Kaioken? If it gets stronger than Super Saiyan 2 and 3 what's the point of doing anything else?". It's pretty much confirmed in any canon you find (except super anime, apparently) that the Kaioken only lasts for a very short time, anywhere from seconds to the length of a heartbeat. And people in Dragonball are fighting for minutes or even tens of minutes while transformed. Kaioken's burst of power is intense and might surpass Super Saiyan at a high enough base power, but the effect on the body, the demand for perfect ki control and the risk it poses when used multiple times in a row (especially at high output) make it vastly inferior to lesser power ups that have comparatively zero downsides. Even if the late stage Super Saiyan's initial burst of power was just a percentage chunk addition to base power, or even a small multiplier, something along the lines of tripling base power (which seems reasonable to me as a full power Super Saiyan power output for a good chunk of the series), it would still be vastly superior to even the 10 or 20x Kaioken bursts because Goku would only be able to use those for moments at a time, and after his body is racked with the negative effects of even using Kaioken at all, what if he fails to kill the target? The Ascended Super Saiyan and leveled up variants were simply the better, safer and more energy efficient paths that proved to fix more of their problems even if the output wasn't as extreme as 50 fold, or Popo forbid, millions of multiplications above Base form by the time people start huffing on the Dragonball Super pack.

In my opinion King Cold simply overcame the whole transformation shtick and could control his full power in any form that he took. The second one being the most imposing one of the four that we knew simply fitted him the best as the king of the universe. In Dragon Ball super Broly, Frieza's henchmen simply ask him why he wants to use Dragon Balls to increase his height by 5 centimeters if can just use his second form to look more imposing. This suggests the idea that Frieza also can already use any of his forms and remain at full power. Reducing all transformation into simple cosmetic choices.

Once AI becomes good at video I'm asking it to create a mathematically consistent DBZ anime.

50 is for SS1, SS2 doubles that, SS3 quadruples that, Non-canon but SS4 is 8-fold on top of that, and SSG is 100 fold, blue is just 1M in total, UI is 100Mx.

Nah, that is just headcanon what you are saying about turning SSJ transformations @ 6:26 Realistically, it's just lazy writing. What I like about GT is that General Rildo Confirms that the multiplier is as should be when he saw Goku transforming.

This was a well made video 👍

I think you're wrong about the Kiri thing. A Fighter isn't made just of power and power isn't made of just energy. Its more about how skilled you are as a fighter and how well you can hone your power/energy. And it is pretty clear that Goku was the better fighter even considering the seemingly lower Base Power. Edit:In Other words,Yakon is just a very bad fighter.

Sparking Zero has him in Ssj2. So I guess the debate is finally over.

maybe because his final form looks like his base

0:22 hence why Gohan should have had long hair in the buu saga

It doesn't make sense if Gohan is Super Saiyan 1. Why would Goku or Vegeta be upset with Gohan for being about equal to a Super Perfect Cell level fighter in just his Super Saiyan form? Super Saiyan 2 Kid Gohan wasn't much stronger than Super Perfect Cell. And we know that Gohan was able to transform into Super Saiyan 2 at the World Martial arts tournament. Which makes him almost twice as powerful as he was in the Cell saga if we're going by that logic.

it seems like the more powerful their base form gets the less they need from transformations. 1>50<100 bringing it to a balance. this could be why we get U.I. and U.E. as a technique. this video is too good you gave us nerds something to pounder. appreciate you bro.

i really dont like the way you disregard grade 4 and just say its using the form more effectively. it seems like youre disregarding information to make your point seem more convincing. you really should've talked about that and other information you left out.

He said his she made it for him that why he were it

Don't use non-canon material. And Cyber Frieza > SSJ Goku(namek)

Then how does Piccolo know Goku and Beerus' punches are powerful enough to destroy the universe??

You're joking right?

It's funny, for years everyone thought the SSJ multiplier decreased over time. And everyone also had their own opinion on what the SSJ2 and SSJ3 multipliers were. But then the lame non-canon Super Exciting Guide comes out(many years after DBZ was finished and Toriyama had nothing to do with it), and now every person regurgitates 50x, 100x, 400x. 🙄 Did fans become lazy? Or maybe all the old fans are gone and have been replaced with the DB Super kids who don't know anything. Try to tell them anything that's not in a guide and they lose their minds.

7:04 It's not.

First 8 minutes were almost perfect. It's nice to see someone else that actually knows the material and has critical thinking skills.

I just took it that these "secret jutsu" involve some degree of training your chakra a specific way that you can't just copy with eyeball powahz and rapid button mashing hand signs. Otherwise you'd expect even a non-sharingan ninja to have ripped them off after long periods of warring states in the past. Never bothered me, just took it at face value that he COULDN'T do it.

Shiore's fit was so raw it changed Orochimaru's fashion sense irrevocably. The drip was so utterly raw it changed his fashion sense pre-emptively, sending ripples through time and implanting the design in a child Orochimaru's mind. Finally after leaving the leaf village he designed the outfit. Of course in designing the outfit earlier in time he became the first person to make the outfit and had to arrange for Shiore to wear it in the first place to introduce it to his future self... Why do I smell metal?

I always liked Cold coping with deciding the sword had to be the secret because noooooo way could another living thing be LEGIT stronger than them lmao.

Bro this kinda sad ngl. Touch grass.

There is no point in trying to quantify forms, especially since Super where we see multiple times Goku is struggling in Blue, runs out of power, slips down to base form and is still keeping up with the opponent he was struggling in Blue against (mostly in the ToP lmao)

In boruto he sent a fire style attack to the clouds to start it up

He was super Saiyan 1 goku and vegeta had the electric sparks during their fight but he didn’t, he forgot how to activate it

how i would of wanted my sayian armor would be for the armor to strech further down and around the crotch for better buttock and groin protection removed the shoulder poldruns and attach them for more groin protection

My head canon is that Bulma took The Old style Armour that Vegeta wore when he was fighting Frieza on Namek,Made some adjustments to the Design and Flexibility and Gave it to Vegeta to try on.

Bruh why the atmosphere so personal. When we just talking bout an armour

Here’s a made up theory - since Vegeta and Nappa are on a different planet. maybe the atmosphere impacts the planet’s light and color palette that’s coming through from the sun or star. 🤷‍♂️

A mountain out of a molehill

What's funny, cold could be gay, frieza is a hermaphrodite & cooler is probably the straight guy i just noticed that 😂

Dope

All of these points you’re bringing up are so dumb, gohan scared is a gag, the whole examples is showcasing that maybe, maybe, hear me out, characters grow power and get stronger and villains are just naturally stronger

The Vegeta hair color point reminds me of Vegetto somehow having Brown hair in DBS even though Goku and Vegeta have black hair

Akira forgot

I always like these more meta oriented look at db stuff.

It would make sense that behind the scenes the animators would get access to the magazine artwork before it was released publicly, using that artwork as a reference to what Vegeta's color scheme was supposed to look like. What I'm wondering is why didn't they ask Toriyama himself what Vegeta's colors were supposed to exactly be, but I'm guessing the answer to that would be since Akira has much of a tight schedule as the animators as a mangaka, he would have no time to even answer such questions....