What sets Mark apart from other automotive journalists is his ability to understand he should let his guest do the talking. He never interrupts people. This is often overlooked by so many.
Mark has created the true equivalent of a fine wine. I ain't trying to stroke his feels straight up I can show someone or find a video directly relevant to a question they're looking to answer and they dislike or feel indifferent about the geese. I firmly believe that the lack of quality content has lowered the bar to the point he may have alienated a portion of those into cars who only like it on a surface level. I will never stop appreciating the top notch quality he outputs and that his bar goes only higher not lower. Best wishes from someone here because I can't obtain content of this degree from anywhere else
The fact that it can remove undercoating with ease is super impressive. Like I'd pay good money for that instead of having to do it the old way with a needle scaler or a blowtorch/knife.
The way it removes the undercoating while doing no apparent damage to the paint under it is very impressive. Strong enough to remove the gunk while being perfectly delicate enough to not damage what's underneath.
I've been using dry ice blasting in residential mold removal for decades, as well as fire/smoke damage. Often times in severe mold and smoke damage we will blast furniture and often times it doesn't remove the poly on wood pieces
I work for Hershey chocolate company and we(they) use dry ice to clean food manufacturing equipment on the regular. Only thing that can hold you up is actually ordering the dry ice from the supplier. Our company uses so much that they call out a week ahead. I like the cold jet(dry ice) cleaning, it gets into all the nooks and crannies that we maintenance mechanics would otherwise have to disassemble to be cleaned properly. Saves a lot of downtime, compared to manually cleaning.
So many things that people buy today end up being replaced because they can’t be cleaned without a lot of effort or special tools, so it’s super cool to see something like this that could keep hard to clean parts of car interiors or exteriors looking like new while also reducing waste from the things that people can clean instead of throwing away. Hopefully this becomes a much more widespread cleaning tool in the next few years
As someone who has experience with sand blasting I can respect the amount of time and thought they had to put into the machine to prevent the dry ice pellets from clogging up in the machine. I do wonder about more humid climates having issues though. I suppose its almost necessary to have a drier system on the air compressor. Truly excited to see where this technology expands out to.
Dry ice blasting is great for the high voltage utility industry. We use it for cleaning 34kv porcelain insulators at a steel mill where conventional cleaning takes much more time and man power.
I "donated my car" so the detailing shop can practice cleaning it has to be one of the best moves ever. Chicago Auto Pros is about 10 minutes from my house...I'm headed over there to try it.
Great, comprehensive look at the tech and these machines SG! I'd be interesting in buying one for personal use once the prices come down a bit but I could spend all weekend on my vehicles using this tech...especially my overlander. Thx again!
The fact that it cleans SO damn well without water(or chemicals!) is why this technology will become ubiquitous. With water conservation becoming ever more important, plus society wanting less chemicals in their world, it has to! I can't wait for the home version!
When I worked in a garage one thing I noticed over the years was that caked on grease and oil residue prevents rust. Id often joke about how the manufacturer had built in their own rust prevention system with a leaky gasket.
This method is used in the industrial world quite often. I've used it on industrial electric motors and it's great. Works like a charm and there's no cleanup afterwards. I have no idea how much the machines cost, but I imagine they're more expensive than other media blasters.
One thing that I didn’t see in this vid that I’ve seen in Ammo’s videos is that if you do this in an enclosed space, it blows all the grime and dirt all over the shop you’re in, and leaves a nice coating of shit everywhere.
11:34 the dry ice sublimates when it hits the surface, the solid CO2 takes off the dirt and then turns to gas almost instantly so it doesn't transfer much of the energy/temperature.
Well technically to sublimate to the gas phase, it needs to absorb energy from something. I would think that heat is being conducted from the material it's impacting since solids transfer heat better than the surrounding air. But since the rubber has so much mass compared to the dry ice, it'll take a long time before the temperature drops enough to be a problem.
Really love this deep dive into dry ice cleaning. And man, all that footage of stuff going from grungy to brand new was super satisfying. I have to wonder - when the dry ice displaces all that dirt, where does it go? Do you have to wear a respirator to avoid breathing it in?
He briefly mentions at the end, and it is common sense, the debris does go flying off everywhere. A post-cleanup of surrounding areas would be needed. I imagine a concept similar to a dentist, where another person attempts to suction/vacuum near the area of impact may help minimize that rogue debris
No, the mess Mark mentioned was in reference to mixed media like glass or sand added to the dry ice, which is a specific feature but not needed for most use cases. @datstev question still stands-were did the dirt, grim and oils go? A quick explanation of the molecular science would have been cool addition to the video.
I was just looking into having this done to my old CM2 Accord Type-S I want to preserve. What a treat to have all this information. And since the tech is from Germany, i should have less trouble sourcing a shop that uses it, being from the Netherlands. Thanks!
I use a dry ice machine to clean once a month at work. We use it where we don't want to get water into our process. Our unit is around $65k lol. But it is a blast to work with.
I've heard about this technology, but didn't know much. Prior to this video my knowledge was at 10,000 feet.....now I'm at 1,000 feet because what I learned today. Thank you!
Very informative, thanks. It’s definitely for the OCD types who have lots of time on their hands, or the high-end detailers. And removing undercoating seems a bit aggressive. Having said that, what an amazingly effective and environmentally friendly method.
I've seen several of these dry ice and steam blasting videos but still don't know where the dirt is going. It just being displaced? Is it just landing on other surfaces thats then need to be cleaned?
I’d guess the point is to get the filth and stains stuck on the surface completely out of there. Once it gets blown out, it’s loose enough to wipe/vacuum it away wherever it landed. Not bad, honestlyz
Really interesting. I want one. Seems to me it would put a lot of stuff in the air and maybe use of a respirator mask would be wise as well as the gloves and eye protection.
I'm surprised they don't do it in a booth or cover at all, they just ice blast in the middle of their shop, the dirt and grime from ice blasting beaing thrown around is insane.
Yeah. You’d have to go and vacuum it all up. We use dry ice blasting in car manufacturing to clean off the welding equipment. You dry ice blast the weld tooling to get the weld slag off, and there is TONS of debris that flies everywhere. You have to clean it up.
It's amazing technology but one safety item I've yet to see discussed in all the dry ice demo's I've watched: what about masks/respirators while doing this work? I rarely see any operators wearing them. All that road grime, oil, brake dust, dirt, etc. is now being blasted into microscopic particles and goes right in the air you're breathing before it settles on the floor or wherever. With traditional cleaning, that gunk is contained in water or soap so doesn't get airborne. I just wonder about the long term effects on your lungs if you are doing this for your day job without a proper mask.
100% want to use a filter/particle mask while doing this. Dry Ice itself isn't really dangerous unless your using a lot of it in a small, un-ventilated room.
Next, cover those ridiculous laser cleaning tools. Freaking lasers, man! They strip rust and paint effortlessly all while looking cool and sounding wild to boot.
What would be really cool is for companies to scrub the air of carbon dioxide that could then be turned into dry ice. Not just recapture from processes but air scrubbing and selling the product. Might (will) make that dry ice more expensive, but it comes with the knowledge that it is reclaimed/scrubbed carbon :)
So when cleaning stuff like the seats is it lifting or blowing the dirt away or just pushing it through the fabric deeper? I guess that would need a more specific analysis
Cost and safety will keep this for commercial use I think. It seems like a great natural cleaning method. I can imagine this would be great for other cleaning purposes but it will require a lot more refinement to make it a home appliance if that even is the goal.
A good 'Vapor Steam cleaner' is about 1K and does much better job cleaning and degreasing most surfaces, it uses no chemicals, just add water and runs on 120V. Puts out 315 degree steam vapor at 75psi. Can be set to 5% water in the Vapor. 1000's of uses in and out of the house. I think the dry ice machine would be a hassle to use regularly and cost 5-10 times more than the 'Vapor Steam Cleaner'. I've had one for years and would replace it in an instant if this one went bad.
Cars with electric motors are pressure washer friendly…believe it or not…also water doesn’t damage computer parts unless you literally run it while wet or fail to clean the debris off afterwards before restarting.
So, external cleaning means the dirt removed falls to the ground. When cleaning an interior the dirt does not disappear and has to go somewhere when blown off by the dry ice. Do you have to vacuum or clean up the debris afterward?
This stuff is really cool. I wish I had the resources to get one of these and use it for random and personal use, but it’s gonna have to drop in price a ton for that to happen. Also, Sarah’n’Tuned recently dry ice blasted the underside of her Ur Quattro and the transformation was incredible to see. Nice to get some more recognition and more footage here. Now I’m wondering if she spent 5-10k on just that tool + dry ice…
How much area can the dry ice energy machine cover before refilling.the container looks small and if you’re doing a large area how many time do you have to refill it to get the job done?
It's an excellent idea, as it's just carbon dioxide but frozen, it looks a bit like they're soaking the interior but all that water looking stuff will very quicky evapoate into gaseous CO2 in a few seconds
It looks like interesting technology. Unfortunately, there is nobody where I live (a good-sized Midwestern city) doing car detailing with it that I could find, although I found some industrial cleaning companies using it.
Would this work in place of walnut shell blasting for direct injected engines? I always worry about blasting foreign substances into my valves but it needs to happen on these N54 engines.
What sets Mark apart from other automotive journalists is his ability to understand he should let his guest do the talking. He never interrupts people. This is often overlooked by so many.
That's because a lot of people start YT channels to suit their own narcissistic ideals. It seems this channel is not like that.
Mark has created the true equivalent of a fine wine. I ain't trying to stroke his feels straight up I can show someone or find a video directly relevant to a question they're looking to answer and they dislike or feel indifferent about the geese. I firmly believe that the lack of quality content has lowered the bar to the point he may have alienated a portion of those into cars who only like it on a surface level. I will never stop appreciating the top notch quality he outputs and that his bar goes only higher not lower. Best wishes from someone here because I can't obtain content of this degree from anywhere else
Probably how he stays married
Are you listening Roman@TFL
Only those with premium presentation skills know this.
Our boy turned getting his car redetailed into a deductible expense, and did it in a really informative, professional way. Amazing business acumen!
The fact that it can remove undercoating with ease is super impressive. Like I'd pay good money for that instead of having to do it the old way with a needle scaler or a blowtorch/knife.
The way it removes the undercoating while doing no apparent damage to the paint under it is very impressive. Strong enough to remove the gunk while being perfectly delicate enough to not damage what's underneath.
i had a spray on wrap removed from my Lotus Elise. Came out perfect
I've been using dry ice blasting in residential mold removal for decades, as well as fire/smoke damage. Often times in severe mold and smoke damage we will blast furniture and often times it doesn't remove the poly on wood pieces
Thanks, that's very interesting. What a great use for this technology.
Where is the footage of you and Jack driving this dry ice machine with launch control on farm roads?
It cant handle that!
I work for Hershey chocolate company and we(they) use dry ice to clean food manufacturing equipment on the regular. Only thing that can hold you up is actually ordering the dry ice from the supplier. Our company uses so much that they call out a week ahead. I like the cold jet(dry ice) cleaning, it gets into all the nooks and crannies that we maintenance mechanics would otherwise have to disassemble to be cleaned properly. Saves a lot of downtime, compared to manually cleaning.
The technical and engineering support you guys are able to get and put on showcase is ALWAYS impressive.
Love how honest the owner was about rust etc 👍
So many things that people buy today end up being replaced because they can’t be cleaned without a lot of effort or special tools, so it’s super cool to see something like this that could keep hard to clean parts of car interiors or exteriors looking like new while also reducing waste from the things that people can clean instead of throwing away. Hopefully this becomes a much more widespread cleaning tool in the next few years
As someone who has experience with sand blasting I can respect the amount of time and thought they had to put into the machine to prevent the dry ice pellets from clogging up in the machine. I do wonder about more humid climates having issues though. I suppose its almost necessary to have a drier system on the air compressor. Truly excited to see where this technology expands out to.
Hey another fine print! I’m glad that this series is still around.
Great info.
really didn't think i'd end up being fascinated by a 20 minute video on industrial cleaning methods but here we are
I saw this 20 years ago in industrial setting - pulp and paper mills. Cleaning electrical motors and other equipment. Worked great.
Dry ice blasting is great for the high voltage utility industry. We use it for cleaning 34kv porcelain insulators at a steel mill where conventional cleaning takes much more time and man power.
Yes, but does it work on Piano Black plastic
I "donated my car" so the detailing shop can practice cleaning it has to be one of the best moves ever. Chicago Auto Pros is about 10 minutes from my house...I'm headed over there to try it.
Great, comprehensive look at the tech and these machines SG! I'd be interesting in buying one for personal use once the prices come down a bit but I could spend all weekend on my vehicles using this tech...especially my overlander. Thx again!
I have decided to sell all my shares of piano black plastic and will now be heavily invested in dry ice cleaning.
You fool, piano black plastic usage will only increase over time! BMW is coming out with an all piano black plastic car next year for weight savings.
The fact that it cleans SO damn well without water(or chemicals!) is why this technology will become ubiquitous. With water conservation becoming ever more important, plus society wanting less chemicals in their world, it has to! I can't wait for the home version!
This is probably the most useful video since the Premium PPE helmet!
When I worked in a garage one thing I noticed over the years was that caked on grease and oil residue prevents rust. Id often joke about how the manufacturer had built in their own rust prevention system with a leaky gasket.
Gunk has preserved so many 2 stroke motorcycles.
This method is used in the industrial world quite often. I've used it on industrial electric motors and it's great. Works like a charm and there's no cleanup afterwards. I have no idea how much the machines cost, but I imagine they're more expensive than other media blasters.
One thing that I didn’t see in this vid that I’ve seen in Ammo’s videos is that if you do this in an enclosed space, it blows all the grime and dirt all over the shop you’re in, and leaves a nice coating of shit everywhere.
Yep, that shit doesn't magically disappear. Cool tech but not quite for the home garage mechanic yet.
One of several profound flaws not mentioned in this video.
11:34 the dry ice sublimates when it hits the surface, the solid CO2 takes off the dirt and then turns to gas almost instantly so it doesn't transfer much of the energy/temperature.
Well technically to sublimate to the gas phase, it needs to absorb energy from something. I would think that heat is being conducted from the material it's impacting since solids transfer heat better than the surrounding air. But since the rubber has so much mass compared to the dry ice, it'll take a long time before the temperature drops enough to be a problem.
Really love this deep dive into dry ice cleaning. And man, all that footage of stuff going from grungy to brand new was super satisfying. I have to wonder - when the dry ice displaces all that dirt, where does it go? Do you have to wear a respirator to avoid breathing it in?
He briefly mentions at the end, and it is common sense, the debris does go flying off everywhere. A post-cleanup of surrounding areas would be needed. I imagine a concept similar to a dentist, where another person attempts to suction/vacuum near the area of impact may help minimize that rogue debris
No, the mess Mark mentioned was in reference to mixed media like glass or sand added to the dry ice, which is a specific feature but not needed for most use cases. @datstev question still stands-were did the dirt, grim and oils go? A quick explanation of the molecular science would have been cool addition to the video.
Thanks!
I was just looking into having this done to my old CM2 Accord Type-S I want to preserve. What a treat to have all this information.
And since the tech is from Germany, i should have less trouble sourcing a shop that uses it, being from the Netherlands. Thanks!
Love these deep dive vids! Dry ice cleaning is so incredible
I use a dry ice machine to clean once a month at work. We use it where we don't want to get water into our process. Our unit is around $65k lol. But it is a blast to work with.
I see what you did there!
This is what I've been waiting for!
I've heard about this technology, but didn't know much. Prior to this video my knowledge was at 10,000 feet.....now I'm at 1,000 feet because what I learned today. Thank you!
Great "episode"! this is the first I've ever heard of this option.
Literally the coolest way to clean ;)
Very informative, thanks. It’s definitely for the OCD types who have lots of time on their hands, or the high-end detailers. And removing undercoating seems a bit aggressive. Having said that, what an amazingly effective and environmentally friendly method.
always happy to see these options to keep cars newer longer
Sarah -n- tuned recently did a video of her dry ice cleaning the underside of her ur-Quattro, it did a a great job, looks like new underneath.
I've seen several of these dry ice and steam blasting videos but still don't know where the dirt is going. It just being displaced? Is it just landing on other surfaces thats then need to be cleaned?
Yes. It just gets blown everywhere. You definitely need to vacuum up all of the dirt and dust particles after you blast with the dry ice.
I’d guess the point is to get the filth and stains stuck on the surface completely out of there. Once it gets blown out, it’s loose enough to wipe/vacuum it away wherever it landed. Not bad, honestlyz
Oily crud goes everywhere too, not so easy to clean of course.
It freezes, dries, gets blasted, lifted and blown at high speed off surface. So often you would wipe down surfaces after and potentially vacuum.
Really interesting. I want one. Seems to me it would put a lot of stuff in the air and maybe use of a respirator mask would be wise as well as the gloves and eye protection.
We used to contract dry ice cleaning vendors in to do the grain dryer duct work and tanks during my time in the ethanol industry.
New? It’s used in Germany for decades…but nice you are catching up to it as well 🙃
Where is Germany? I thought only the USA is important?
@@savagegeese says the Canadian 😂
I always love these side quest videos of guys and Chicago Auto Pros, as always amazing work!
I'm surprised they don't do it in a booth or cover at all, they just ice blast in the middle of their shop, the dirt and grime from ice blasting beaing thrown around is insane.
Yeah. You’d have to go and vacuum it all up. We use dry ice blasting in car manufacturing to clean off the welding equipment. You dry ice blast the weld tooling to get the weld slag off, and there is TONS of debris that flies everywhere. You have to clean it up.
It was for training purposes that day.
@@savagegeese thanks for explaining
Up next I want to see vanilla ice cleaning.
It's amazing technology but one safety item I've yet to see discussed in all the dry ice demo's I've watched: what about masks/respirators while doing this work? I rarely see any operators wearing them. All that road grime, oil, brake dust, dirt, etc. is now being blasted into microscopic particles and goes right in the air you're breathing before it settles on the floor or wherever. With traditional cleaning, that gunk is contained in water or soap so doesn't get airborne. I just wonder about the long term effects on your lungs if you are doing this for your day job without a proper mask.
100% want to use a filter/particle mask while doing this. Dry Ice itself isn't really dangerous unless your using a lot of it in a small, un-ventilated room.
Must be good for rear end cleaning.
Can ya feel that now, Jimmie Boy ? Star Trek
Get that dry ice tushy sponsor going. Freeze your nuts off but keeps your butt clean.
This is the future of auto detailing. Thank you for showing this on your platform.
improvement diversification technology, thank you SGeese
Thank you for this. Well Done!
Wow, that was very interesting 👍
I've been so interested in this lately!
Can't wait to blast all the glossy piano black plastics in my premium automobile
Thank you Mark for doing this.
Awesome Video!! Thank You for sharing it with us.
Wonder if it works for carbon built up on DI intake valves
So where does the dirt go? Into the air?
Partly into the air and deeper into the seat covers if "cleaning" seats.
Can I "donate" my car to see if they can clean the whole thing?
I've known about it for years. The problem today is equipment and portability.
Expensive. Costly.
Hey Mark, would you be interested in doing a build breakdown/review on your S2k? It looks phenomenal and I'd like to see how far it's come along
Ugh, Never thought about this. So cool
Next, cover those ridiculous laser cleaning tools. Freaking lasers, man! They strip rust and paint effortlessly all while looking cool and sounding wild to boot.
well vapor/water blastin + ice blasting are the greatest things in the last few years for car enthusiasts
That was so cool 🥶
What would be really cool is for companies to scrub the air of carbon dioxide that could then be turned into dry ice. Not just recapture from processes but air scrubbing and selling the product. Might (will) make that dry ice more expensive, but it comes with the knowledge that it is reclaimed/scrubbed carbon :)
Thank you for this information you are the best
Excellent work as always Goose.
In China they also use this for intake carbon build-up. And it does it quite well.
So when cleaning stuff like the seats is it lifting or blowing the dirt away or just pushing it through the fabric deeper?
I guess that would need a more specific analysis
If its blowing the dirt around wouldn't they just settle back down onto the fabric in a few minutes?
Partly into the air and deeper into the seat covers if "cleaning" seats.
Dry ice baths are the best👍
Cost and safety will keep this for commercial use I think.
It seems like a great natural cleaning method.
I can imagine this would be great for other cleaning purposes but it will require a lot more refinement to make it a home appliance if that even is the goal.
A good 'Vapor Steam cleaner' is about 1K and does much better job cleaning and degreasing most surfaces, it uses no chemicals, just add water and runs on 120V. Puts out 315 degree steam vapor at 75psi. Can be set to 5% water in the Vapor. 1000's of uses in and out of the house. I think the dry ice machine would be a hassle to use regularly and cost 5-10 times more than the 'Vapor Steam Cleaner'. I've had one for years and would replace it in an instant if this one went bad.
Cars with electric motors are pressure washer friendly…believe it or not…also water doesn’t damage computer parts unless you literally run it while wet or fail to clean the debris off afterwards before restarting.
So, external cleaning means the dirt removed falls to the ground. When cleaning an interior the dirt does not disappear and has to go somewhere when blown off by the dry ice. Do you have to vacuum or clean up the debris afterward?
Depends on job.
This stuff is really cool. I wish I had the resources to get one of these and use it for random and personal use, but it’s gonna have to drop in price a ton for that to happen.
Also, Sarah’n’Tuned recently dry ice blasted the underside of her Ur Quattro and the transformation was incredible to see. Nice to get some more recognition and more footage here. Now I’m wondering if she spent 5-10k on just that tool + dry ice…
You said Her, but Sarah is a Dude
Great video. Thank you Mark.
This is super cool. Interested to see where this technology will be in 5 or so years
Great Video Thanks
Would level 5 be suitable to freeze off my warts?
What a awesome video!!!
Love the content guys.
That's pretty cool. Good video!
Great and super interesting video!
How much area can the dry ice energy machine cover before refilling.the container looks small and if you’re doing a large area how many time do you have to refill it to get the job done?
Will be interesting to see if there will be a consumer version of device. Would love to use this.
Chapter markers would be real nice for these types of videos.
Anyone who figures out how to do this without the MASSIVE air compressor is gonna dominate the industry for sure
This is satisfying to watch
It's an excellent idea, as it's just carbon dioxide but frozen, it looks a bit like they're soaking the interior but all that water looking stuff will very quicky evapoate into gaseous CO2 in a few seconds
I need to see more of this to replace walnut shell blasting.
If you ever find mold in your attic, this is how the professionals handle it.
I wonder if its possible to clean the undercoating without removing it?
Need to test it out on Jack's seed bag... maybe it would work better than all the other products he uses.
What a great video
I could sure use this service on my S2000!! 😊
It looks like interesting technology. Unfortunately, there is nobody where I live (a good-sized Midwestern city) doing car detailing with it that I could find, although I found some industrial cleaning companies using it.
I wonder if this application could fix "sticky" buttons as well.
This cured my hemorrhoids instantly
Awesome video. Big fan of Chicago Auto Pros! Is Eric no longer with Gtechniq?
Would this work in place of walnut shell blasting for direct injected engines? I always worry about blasting foreign substances into my valves but it needs to happen on these N54 engines.