“She’s a Mentor” fun fact, in the odyssey when Athena is assisting Telemachus she disguises herself as a human named mentes… and then later another human named mentor. The guidance and help she provided Telemachus as Mentor is where the word comes from. So she’s not just a mentor, shes THE mentor
Fun fact: for the official watch party, this song was accompanied by a fighting game animation, the animator of which is making an epic the musical game!
@@JenniferGlatzhofer it's honestly impressive how you pause like a frame before big things happen. like... it's so consistent too. that's not annoying that's impressive 😭
I'm not sure if this has been confirmed but I think the electric guitar happens for other characters (namely Eurylochus and Telemachus) when they're trying to emulate Odysseus. It happened for Eurylochus during Mutiny when he was trying to emulate Odysseus's leadership, literally rebelling and taking Ody's place as captain. While it happens for Telemachus here while he's trying to emulate Odysseus's strength, as seen in the line from Legendary "I would fight them if I was half as strong as you"
This is actually confirmed! Antinous actually has a few fun musical emulations. Yes the electric guitar (but a bit grungier than Ody's) but also the backing vocals of the suitors (Eury's whole thing) and he also has trumpets, giving Telemachus the same feeling as when Ody confronts Poseidon.
It's still a few away but make sure after you watch "God Games" that you then immediately watch "hermes in god games" by gigi. It's less of a musical and more of bonus Hermes goodness!
When I saw Troy's original video for that I was laughing so hard I teared up. I know Jay has pretty much cast every part perfectly but Troy is just literally Hermes irl and I love that so much
Fun Fact: Antinous(The main singer in the first half of Little Wolf) seems to be a false hero to the suitors, trying to take Penelope from her windowing thus he takes others instruments like Eury’s backup vocals and Ody’s guitar
Jay has mentioned before that Antinous' instruments are a perversion of those he's meant to oppose: he had an electric guitar to show that he wants to replace Odysseus, a cello led string quartet (i believe that will be displayed in the last saga) to contrast Penelope's viola led quartet, and a trumpet. The trumpet is actually because Poseidon's instrument is a trumpet and Antinous is the main antagonist to Telemachus in the same way that Poseidon is to Odysseus. He's also represented by the voices of the suitors in the same way that Eurylochus was represented by the voices of the crew. Telemachus' instruments are a piano, an acoustic guitar, and some strings as well (for Athena, his dad, and his mom) though i firgot what strings exactly
For a second i was like "I already liked this video!? But i havent seen it yet" then i remembered that i liked it when it was announced a couple days ago. 🤣
Zeus doesn't actually give Odysseus the option to see his family again. He just said, someone's going to die, either you or your crew. Ody is the one thinking about his family. So, I don't think Zeus really cares about where Ody goes or what he does after destroying the ship. He just ensures that Ody isn't killed in the blast. If Ody drowns in the ocean after that then se la vie.
So you proberly remember Little Ajax mension in The Horse & Infants. Well he got his own book about how he got home or more presisly got smithed by Athena for ra’ing one of hers prothet
3:31 When a guitar is seen on a other character, typically it is seen as those characters trying to imitate Odysseus (E.g Eurylcous trying to take the ‘captain’ from him in mutiny, Antinous fighting to be the ‘leader’ of Ithaca)
I love duvetbox's take on telemachus as a kind of angsty young dude who does TRY to train. Similarly, I love their portrayal of Antinous as fully willing to treat Telemachus like his son, but also being the kind of jackass that would beat his sons.
I'm SO EXCITED tos ee your reaction to the next song. I have no doubt that there's gonna be more JenSqueals(TM) and I'm stoked. 😂 I also enjoy how excited you get for Athena to pop up
i think i mentioned on the legendary vid or another reactors page but this is my favorite song of the saga because its a good villain song with legenday being number 2
I love the parallel of Poseidon calling Odysseus and his men the "pack of wolves" and here Antinous and the suitors calling Telemachus "little wolf." Father and son both being referred to as wolves (albeit mockingly) by their respective nemeses, and Telemachus wants so bad to be like his father and here he's being compared to him, even if neither he nor the suitors realize it. Also, Ayron Alexander deserves all the praise for his performance as Antinous, his voice is so perfectly smooth and playful for that part.
also because odysseus's maternal grandfather (favoured by/son of hermes depending on the adaptation) was named autolycus, meaning "the wolf itself" !! it's a cool family reference
Towards the end there, you can hear the other suitors join Athena's singing when they sing the chorus. I like to think that they are cheering Telemachus on in this fight because he's doing a stellar job against Antinous at the end until the latter wins. Of course, why would they cheer for Antinous? Because ultimately, they're all rivals for Penelope's hand. If Antinous loses, then he'll be removed as a candidate. They're not personal friends, they all hate each other and this is just entertainment for them.
if evil why hot? :( (also i love your new song, i listen to it every day when im getting ready for stuff , the vibe really makes me feel lighter, its a great song!)
JENNIFER! you HAVE to react to loren allred “never enough” again but on agt. possibly the greatest thing i have ever heard🗣️💯 and i am sure you would be ecstatic watching it lol🙏🫶God bless
Jennifer has made it clear to us that she dislikes Antinuous, very real, I don't like him too👹👿😡😤 ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Spoilers I hope he gets what he deserves in the Ithaca🤭😤 saga
he’s not actualy trying to teach him anything. it is the excuse, the way and abuser says he’s teaching u. «it sounds playfull» is more acurat to what is happening here. it’s a grown man and experienced warior haveing fun beating a 20ish yr old who’s never fought, makeing it so easy it’s a game to him
5:57 its funny because: Telemachus is 20 (and you know this! Proud), while Antonious(idk the spelling lol) is around 18 - 19. So Telemachus is basically the grown man here in the situation hehe
The staccato reverse wah wah sounds actually represents an ability Jay officially calls "Quick Thought!" hence Athena says "No, I just made your thoughts quick!", when those sounds appear it usually indicates Athena phasing in and out, and quick thought allows Athena to have telepathic conversations with someone within a single second! It's very present in all her other songs but this one gets me so hyped every single time! 🤍
5:57 and it’s not even a grown man 😭 telemachus is actually older than antinous (the suitor) because telemachus is 20-21 and antinous is like 18-19 years old
He is not. You're thinking of the boy consort of Roman Emperor Hadrian. This Antinous is a completely different person, and is most likely at least 25, maybe even up to 35.
I mean, Antinous isn't actually trying to teach Telemachus any lessons here. He's just being a bully and beating him up for the laughs and to pressure Penelope.
For Future Reference: In this part of the Odyssey, Antinous is around the same age as (if not one year younger than) Telemachus. Adds a whole new layer to this, in my opinion.
Yep, pretty much all of the suitors are their 20s. If they were truly "old" (or at least way older than Telemachus) they would have been drafted into the war 20 years earlier. Especially because most of them are from Ithaca, as well as nearby provinces. Basically high school seniors vs high school freshman is how I see it
No. He. Is. Not. Younger... That stupid idea started because some fans don't know there could be multiple people with the same name, and they thought that Antinous, the boy "lover" of Roman Emperor Hadrian, is the same as this one. And he, quite simply, is not. The Antinous of Ithaca might even be as old as 35, and 15 year olds were not yet drafted to fight in the Trojan War. And it is said that he witnessed Odysseus in his youth, so at the least he's 25. But for Zeus's sake, he's not younger..
Antinous is probably not much older then Telemachus. Telemachus supposedly around 20-21, since he was already born when Odysseus went to war and they sing it has been 20 years since then. But Odysseus took 600 men to war with him, which is probably most of the man that was old or young enough to fight in a war. So we can assume Antinous was too young at that time, so maybe 10-12 (probably older boys was able to fight). So he probably around 30 something at best. Even if Telemachus sings that there are 108 "old faces", it is doubtful many of them are old. This also explains why are they so shitty as guest. Someone called it "Fatherless" behavior. Since they were the young men left in the island they became the head of their families and nobody teached them to respect other or how not to behave. So they are all very rude as guest, but because of greek hospitability rules they have to be kind to their guest and give them food. And since technically it is Odysseus's house Telemachus and Penelope cannot really deny them to be guests here. Also Telemachus is the prince of Ithica, so he is very sheltered and unmature, that's why he is kind of like a young boy/teen even as in his twenties.
@darkmirror21 True, I just personally prefer Neal's when it comes to designs and overall character - I like how they're all portrayed compared to some other renditions. I do agree though that the context is good, it's just if you were to ask who I'd recommend for god games, I'd always say Neal. Even then, at that part you're talking about, there is some flashes of a younger Odysseus, it's just not fleshed out.
Well, yeah but neal's is I think the furthest from actual canon. I suggest going for either the livestream animatic (though that's unlikely) or another animatic (anniflamma, mumder, gigi's when/if it comes out)
Likely not "only a little older" as his father, Eupeithes is closer in age to Odysseus' father, than to Odysseus. So it would make sense for Antinous to also be older. Also, Jorge mentioned that Antinous is loosely based also on the character of Eurymachus, who's the actual leader of the suitors in the book. And Eurymachus claimed to be Odysseus's friends in his youth, so surely that would mean he'd also be around 30-35.
a little fun fact i havent seen anyone point out yet, most of these guys, including Antinous, are Telemachus' age give or take. (Yeah these guys are like the first "MILF" enjoyers D: )
@@dylanperryman8003 I was not refering to that Antinous i was refering to the fact that Antinous in the Odyssey was around 25 which is give or take the 21 year old Telemachus' age
No. He. Is. NOT. YOUNGER... That stupid idea started because some fans don't know there could be multiple people with the same name, and they thought that Antinous, the boy "lover" of Roman Emperor Hadrian, is the same as this one. AND HE'S NOT!! The Antinous of Ithaca might even be as old as 35, and 15 year olds were not yet drafted to fight in the Trojan War. And it is said that he witnessed Odysseus in his youth, so at the least he's 25. But for Zeus's sake, he's NOT. YOUNGER!
@Kamarovsky_KCM bro calm down The place I've read said some wrong stuff apparently thank you for correcting me Now chill down damn, god forbid me for committing mistakes apparently I'll tell that to the literature teacher who told me that
@@Nobody-zz1me AOkay sorry for being so vehement in my words, but god damn there's just way too many people out there spreading so many false factoids about the lore of Epic without ever checking if it's even real, and thus making others believe them and have their experience completely altered. Same with that thing about "oh Ancient Greeks actually never said sorry so Ody's apology to Poseidon was correct!" which is also just bullshit
@Kamarovsky_KCM it's fine I'm actually happy that you corrected me, I hate spreading miss information, I think the Odyssey on my school was mistranslated or smth Just try being calmer on answering ppl, sometimes they searched stuff but they don't know their sources are wrong
“She’s a Mentor” fun fact, in the odyssey when Athena is assisting Telemachus she disguises herself as a human named mentes… and then later another human named mentor. The guidance and help she provided Telemachus as Mentor is where the word comes from. So she’s not just a mentor, shes THE mentor
Another difference is that in the Odyssey, Telemachus doesn't know his mentor is actually Athena, whereas here he's aware who she is
Mentor was indeed a proper noun before it became a common noun.
@@kittycatzuka actually he kind of knows
@@kittycatzuka actually he kind of knows
@@mobaobaeNot in Homer’s odyssey, he figures out Mentor is a god, but Athena doesn’t reveal herself
Fun fact: for the official watch party, this song was accompanied by a fighting game animation, the animator of which is making an epic the musical game!
i can not WAIT for you to listen to "We'll be fine"!!!!! the fjrst time i listened to it i was like "GET JEN ON THE LINE SHE NEEDS TO HEAR THIS!!"
Hahaha coming soon!! 😁
we'll be fine made me BAWL LIKE A BABY
I love how you paused "right before the punch happens"
you and athena had same idea "what if it doesn't" :D
I was looking for this comment. XD
Athena & Jennifer: Let's put a pin on that
0:37 wait until its telemachus' birthday
If you know, you know
I know you sometimes get blasted for the timing on pauses, but these were IMPECCABLE.
😂😂
@@JenniferGlatzhofer it's honestly impressive how you pause like a frame before big things happen. like... it's so consistent too. that's not annoying that's impressive 😭
@little1133 😂
I'm not sure if this has been confirmed but I think the electric guitar happens for other characters (namely Eurylochus and Telemachus) when they're trying to emulate Odysseus.
It happened for Eurylochus during Mutiny when he was trying to emulate Odysseus's leadership, literally rebelling and taking Ody's place as captain. While it happens for Telemachus here while he's trying to emulate Odysseus's strength, as seen in the line from Legendary "I would fight them if I was half as strong as you"
This is actually confirmed! Antinous actually has a few fun musical emulations. Yes the electric guitar (but a bit grungier than Ody's) but also the backing vocals of the suitors (Eury's whole thing) and he also has trumpets, giving Telemachus the same feeling as when Ody confronts Poseidon.
It's still a few away but make sure after you watch "God Games" that you then immediately watch "hermes in god games" by gigi.
It's less of a musical and more of bonus Hermes goodness!
That is a goldmine. And so in character too. She would love it.
When I saw Troy's original video for that I was laughing so hard I teared up. I know Jay has pretty much cast every part perfectly but Troy is just literally Hermes irl and I love that so much
5:41, damn that was a perfect pause. didn't expect that from you lmao
😂
Good catch on the "Warrior of the Mind" melody! I didn't hear it until you pointed it out ❤
Fun Fact: Antinous(The main singer in the first half of Little Wolf) seems to be a false hero to the suitors, trying to take Penelope from her windowing thus he takes others instruments like Eury’s backup vocals and Ody’s guitar
Jay has mentioned before that Antinous' instruments are a perversion of those he's meant to oppose: he had an electric guitar to show that he wants to replace Odysseus, a cello led string quartet (i believe that will be displayed in the last saga) to contrast Penelope's viola led quartet, and a trumpet. The trumpet is actually because Poseidon's instrument is a trumpet and Antinous is the main antagonist to Telemachus in the same way that Poseidon is to Odysseus. He's also represented by the voices of the suitors in the same way that Eurylochus was represented by the voices of the crew.
Telemachus' instruments are a piano, an acoustic guitar, and some strings as well (for Athena, his dad, and his mom) though i firgot what strings exactly
That pause at 5:40 and the response after was so perfect knowing Athena was coming.
For a second i was like "I already liked this video!? But i havent seen it yet" then i remembered that i liked it when it was announced a couple days ago. 🤣
Absolutely Love your reaction videos to the Epic series! Thanks for always making me laugh!
Thanks for watching!
1:45 I wanna know where duvetbox got the idea for this pose. It's so flamboyantly evil that I swear I've seen it on a Disney villain before.😂
But for real though 😂
I think one of the funny things about the other suitors is that they’re not even on Antinuous’ side they’re just instigators 😂
Zeus doesn't actually give Odysseus the option to see his family again. He just said, someone's going to die, either you or your crew. Ody is the one thinking about his family. So, I don't think Zeus really cares about where Ody goes or what he does after destroying the ship. He just ensures that Ody isn't killed in the blast. If Ody drowns in the ocean after that then se la vie.
So you proberly remember Little Ajax mension in The Horse & Infants. Well he got his own book about how he got home or more presisly got smithed by Athena for ra’ing one of hers prothet
HOLY SHIT YOU SAID "ANTINOUS" CORRECTLY
unironically, this made me hit the subscribe button
5:45
THE TIMING
3:31 When a guitar is seen on a other character, typically it is seen as those characters trying to imitate Odysseus (E.g Eurylcous trying to take the ‘captain’ from him in mutiny, Antinous fighting to be the ‘leader’ of Ithaca)
Ah nice!!
Yes, i did listen to last one on your mind, and yes, it was in my head all week :)
Thank you!
No, thank you for making the world a happier place through your music ❤️
You can tell how much she likes Athena seeing as the pauses more than double when she comes in
I love duvetbox's take on telemachus as a kind of angsty young dude who does TRY to train.
Similarly, I love their portrayal of Antinous as fully willing to treat Telemachus like his son, but also being the kind of jackass that would beat his sons.
I'm SO EXCITED tos ee your reaction to the next song. I have no doubt that there's gonna be more JenSqueals(TM) and I'm stoked. 😂 I also enjoy how excited you get for Athena to pop up
Jen's face throughout Antinous' lines is very telling 🤣🤣🤣🤣
i think i mentioned on the legendary vid or another reactors page but this is my favorite song of the saga because its a good villain song with legenday being number 2
3:40 yep! Antinious has electric guitar because he's trying to replace Odysseus! Just like when Eurloycus got it
Last one on your mind is so good!
Thank you 😁
Jen's little bite to go along with Telemachus biting Antinous is so, so endearing
I love the parallel of Poseidon calling Odysseus and his men the "pack of wolves" and here Antinous and the suitors calling Telemachus "little wolf." Father and son both being referred to as wolves (albeit mockingly) by their respective nemeses, and Telemachus wants so bad to be like his father and here he's being compared to him, even if neither he nor the suitors realize it. Also, Ayron Alexander deserves all the praise for his performance as Antinous, his voice is so perfectly smooth and playful for that part.
also because odysseus's maternal grandfather (favoured by/son of hermes depending on the adaptation) was named autolycus, meaning "the wolf itself" !! it's a cool family reference
@ oh that’s so cool! I never knew that
Towards the end there, you can hear the other suitors join Athena's singing when they sing the chorus. I like to think that they are cheering Telemachus on in this fight because he's doing a stellar job against Antinous at the end until the latter wins. Of course, why would they cheer for Antinous? Because ultimately, they're all rivals for Penelope's hand. If Antinous loses, then he'll be removed as a candidate. They're not personal friends, they all hate each other and this is just entertainment for them.
I can just tell from her facial expression that she doesn’t like Antinuous very much (sorry if I spelled his name wrong)
I can’t spell his name either
Correct spelling is Antinous
I mean... can you blame her? First full sentence she hears has the T word.
This is my favourite song in this saga! And the next one is my second favourite!
if evil why hot? :( (also i love your new song, i listen to it every day when im getting ready for stuff , the vibe really makes me feel lighter, its a great song!)
Oh thank you so much!😁
Thanks Jen 😊
Omg I am your biggest fan ❤❤❤
Btw can’t wait for you to react to love in paradise(my fav song) and god games.❤❤
the golf clap for the bite 😂
JENNIFER! you HAVE to react to loren allred “never enough” again but on agt. possibly the greatest thing i have ever heard🗣️💯 and i am sure you would be ecstatic watching it lol🙏🫶God bless
Can't wait for you to react to Love in paradise and god games 😭♥️
Thx for the reaction
Jennifer has made it clear to us that she dislikes Antinuous, very real, I don't like him too👹👿😡😤
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Spoilers
I hope he gets what he deserves in the Ithaca🤭😤 saga
Can you PLEASE react to what the Wicked Movie channel posted where it shows them singing live on set? I would LOVE to see your reaction to that!!!!
I am incapable of patience I need Saturday to arrive
he’s not actualy trying to teach him anything. it is the excuse, the way and abuser says he’s teaching u. «it sounds playfull» is more acurat to what is happening here. it’s a grown man and experienced warior haveing fun beating a 20ish yr old who’s never fought, makeing it so easy it’s a game to him
Thats the face of pure hate for someone in this musical, who I don’t know how to spell his name
Just wait till Ithaca Saga, needless to say, he doesn't even deserve to have a grave.
@@terra4822 maybe they’ll dump him in the ocean
@@ismael9619 Fitting, since drowning is the worst way to go in Ancient Greece, since it's not proper burial.
Antinous
5:57 its funny because: Telemachus is 20 (and you know this! Proud), while Antonious(idk the spelling lol) is around 18 - 19. So Telemachus is basically the grown man here in the situation hehe
Nah, the 18/19 year old Antinous was a guy in Roman times, over 1300 years later. This is Antinous of Ithaca, a separate individual.
@dylanperryman8003 wait there was another? I didn't know, atleast I didn't see ofcourse, but thank you! I haven't research that much anyways.
@@pointeriaYeah this Antinous is at least 25. Upwards of 35 even.
@Kamarovsky_KCM very interesting lol !!
When you get to it you should do brittpowwpixel's love in paradise. PLS
The staccato reverse wah wah sounds actually represents an ability Jay officially calls "Quick Thought!" hence Athena says "No, I just made your thoughts quick!", when those sounds appear it usually indicates Athena phasing in and out, and quick thought allows Athena to have telepathic conversations with someone within a single second! It's very present in all her other songs but this one gets me so hyped every single time! 🤍
As a fellow dinosaur enthusiast with very little knowledge about dinosaurs I salute you and also must know where you get your stickers
5:55 if I remember correctly Telemachus and Antinuous? Were around the same age
"Need some help?"
Lol athena looks so different in this one
yeah i dont like it
@@crisssstopher Speak for yourself tomboy Athena is awesome.
I like how she has scars, like someone who's seen war, since she is a warrior goddess.
@@Caedus696 when did i speak for you? i said that I dont like it.
Everyone has the same hairstyle 😅
5:57 and it’s not even a grown man 😭 telemachus is actually older than antinous (the suitor) because telemachus is 20-21 and antinous is like 18-19 years old
He is not. You're thinking of the boy consort of Roman Emperor Hadrian. This Antinous is a completely different person, and is most likely at least 25, maybe even up to 35.
@ yeah i read about that now, my bad 🫡 thanks for correcting me!!
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Please whenever you react to dangerous watch the full version by ximena 😭
I don't understand why y'all are so mad, Antinous is just being a good stepdad and giving Telemachus tough love.
I mean, Antinous isn't actually trying to teach Telemachus any lessons here. He's just being a bully and beating him up for the laughs and to pressure Penelope.
Sleeping on Sleep Tokennnn
I may have filmed some today😁
@ ready for more your journey
For Future Reference: In this part of the Odyssey, Antinous is around the same age as (if not one year younger than) Telemachus. Adds a whole new layer to this, in my opinion.
Yep, pretty much all of the suitors are their 20s. If they were truly "old" (or at least way older than Telemachus) they would have been drafted into the war 20 years earlier. Especially because most of them are from Ithaca, as well as nearby provinces. Basically high school seniors vs high school freshman is how I see it
No. He. Is. Not. Younger... That stupid idea started because some fans don't know there could be multiple people with the same name, and they thought that Antinous, the boy "lover" of Roman Emperor Hadrian, is the same as this one. And he, quite simply, is not.
The Antinous of Ithaca might even be as old as 35, and 15 year olds were not yet drafted to fight in the Trojan War. And it is said that he witnessed Odysseus in his youth, so at the least he's 25. But for Zeus's sake, he's not younger..
@@kittycatzuka Nobody drafted 10 year olds. They all could be as old as 35, since the war was 20 years earlier.
Antinous is probably not much older then Telemachus. Telemachus supposedly around 20-21, since he was already born when Odysseus went to war and they sing it has been 20 years since then. But Odysseus took 600 men to war with him, which is probably most of the man that was old or young enough to fight in a war. So we can assume Antinous was too young at that time, so maybe 10-12 (probably older boys was able to fight). So he probably around 30 something at best. Even if Telemachus sings that there are 108 "old faces", it is doubtful many of them are old. This also explains why are they so shitty as guest. Someone called it "Fatherless" behavior. Since they were the young men left in the island they became the head of their families and nobody teached them to respect other or how not to behave. So they are all very rude as guest, but because of greek hospitability rules they have to be kind to their guest and give them food. And since technically it is Odysseus's house Telemachus and Penelope cannot really deny them to be guests here. Also Telemachus is the prince of Ithica, so he is very sheltered and unmature, that's why he is kind of like a young boy/teen even as in his twenties.
Pls watch Neal Illustrators God games when you get to it, it's absolutely phenomenal 🙏
man, that version of god games is amazing but i'd say anniflamma's version is better because neal's don't have the full flashback for context
@darkmirror21 True, I just personally prefer Neal's when it comes to designs and overall character - I like how they're all portrayed compared to some other renditions. I do agree though that the context is good, it's just if you were to ask who I'd recommend for god games, I'd always say Neal. Even then, at that part you're talking about, there is some flashes of a younger Odysseus, it's just not fleshed out.
Well, yeah but neal's is I think the furthest from actual canon. I suggest going for either the livestream animatic (though that's unlikely) or another animatic (anniflamma, mumder, gigi's when/if it comes out)
Please do Neil's animatic when you do god games it's top teir.
Antinous is way to attractive
I dunno guys, I don't think Jen likes Antinous ;}
i think its funny that the Antinous in the book is only a little older than Telemachus
Likely not "only a little older" as his father, Eupeithes is closer in age to Odysseus' father, than to Odysseus. So it would make sense for Antinous to also be older. Also, Jorge mentioned that Antinous is loosely based also on the character of Eurymachus, who's the actual leader of the suitors in the book. And Eurymachus claimed to be Odysseus's friends in his youth, so surely that would mean he'd also be around 30-35.
I love how she says Antinous is a grown ass man fighting a 20 y/o when in reality he was younger than Telemachus 😂 antinous was 18/19
Nah, the 18/19 year old Antinous was a guy in Roman times, over 1300 years later. This is Antinous of Ithaca, a separate individual.
what's funnier about you being like "this GROWN ASS MAN" is that antinous is younger than telemachus, he's only 18-19
He isn't. That's a whole different guy named Antinous you're thinking of. This one's 25-35.
@ damn, could've sworn it was the same guy lmao
That’s the boy toy of Emperor Hadrian of ROME
@ evidently i have to brush up on my roman stuff lmao 😭 i appreciate the correction
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a little fun fact i havent seen anyone point out yet, most of these guys, including Antinous, are Telemachus' age give or take. (Yeah these guys are like the first "MILF" enjoyers D: )
Nah, the 18/19 year old Antinous was a guy in Roman times, over 1300 years later. This is Antinous of Ithaca, a separate individual.
@@dylanperryman8003 I was not refering to that Antinous i was refering to the fact that Antinous in the Odyssey was around 25 which is give or take the 21 year old Telemachus' age
Can you please not pause so much
My brother in Christ. The video is a reaction and analysis of the song.
If u wanna just listen then go to the song
Sweetheart Antinous is younger than Telemachus
No. He. Is. NOT. YOUNGER... That stupid idea started because some fans don't know there could be multiple people with the same name, and they thought that Antinous, the boy "lover" of Roman Emperor Hadrian, is the same as this one. AND HE'S NOT!!
The Antinous of Ithaca might even be as old as 35, and 15 year olds were not yet drafted to fight in the Trojan War. And it is said that he witnessed Odysseus in his youth, so at the least he's 25. But for Zeus's sake, he's NOT. YOUNGER!
@Kamarovsky_KCM bro calm down
The place I've read said some wrong stuff apparently thank you for correcting me
Now chill down damn, god forbid me for committing mistakes apparently I'll tell that to the literature teacher who told me that
@@Nobody-zz1me AOkay sorry for being so vehement in my words, but god damn there's just way too many people out there spreading so many false factoids about the lore of Epic without ever checking if it's even real, and thus making others believe them and have their experience completely altered. Same with that thing about "oh Ancient Greeks actually never said sorry so Ody's apology to Poseidon was correct!" which is also just bullshit
@Kamarovsky_KCM it's fine
I'm actually happy that you corrected me, I hate spreading miss information, I think the Odyssey on my school was mistranslated or smth
Just try being calmer on answering ppl, sometimes they searched stuff but they don't know their sources are wrong
For a song analysis, AnniFlamma or Noir.Hyancith will have an easier God Games to follow, but I really hope you get to see other God Games.