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The fact that Emelia Perez is on the Oscars list not just once but 13 times tells you everything you need to know about the Oscars and how much would a joke they are and that no one is taking them seriously. So being snubbed by the Oscars right now is actually a good thing. I wouldn't want to be in the same company as Emilia Perez
The Oscars have been out of touch for decades now. This does not surprise me. It's a bunch of snobs wallowing in their own crap and only giving credit to those wallowing with them.
That reminds me of a leaked conversation between the Oscar judges on how they decided the Best Picture a few years ago. It was so unserious and unprofessional.
they snubbed it because it was written at the time of the algerian war of independence which mirrors the palestinian war for independence hollywood is packed with small hatters like weinstein and they don't want the movie getting the recognition it deserves it made me laugh when benocide shapiro reviewed it last year and gave it a massive thumbs up...he was either too dumb to realise what the movie was about, or he never watched it despite reviewing
That's exactly what I say when my favorite movies are completely ignored (99% of the time) Then I act like Oscars are proof that a movie is amazing when my favorite movies win.
@@EdwardVonKhil For me it was 2010 when 'Inception', 'Black Swan', and 'The Social Network' all came out...all great, memorable films...and they all lost to...'The Kings Speech,' another precious period piece (that nobody saw or cared about) the Oscars seem to love
Only two films that deserve to be best picture nominees are Conclave and Dune pt2 everything else is either terrible or decent but not best pic worthy.
the oscars have meant fuck all to normal people for 5-10 years now. its a literal blowjob from hollywood to itself.. noone outside of it does (or should) give a shite about it, its all back-patting and cringey
I remember when Sigourney Weaver was nominated for best actress in Aliens. We were shocked an actress from a sci-fi movie was nominated. We knew she wouldn't win, the Academy has always snubbed sci-fi films. I was going to watch this year, but I'll pass.
good call as its just hollywood sucking off itself, or the bits that suit it this year. its meant nothing to normal people for going on a decade now- its all bluster and bullshit in most peoples eyes
What's even wilder is that Dune II is in competition for Best Picture with a film called _Emilia Pérez_ -- a musical that's currently sitting at a 19% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, only made like $4 million at the box-office; and yet somehow has been nominated for more Oscars than A New Hope, The Godfather, Apocalypse Now, Titanic, Return of the King...
If it's not current or period drama it isn't seriously considered, and if it even gets nominated it's done so as a token for PR purposes with no intention of allowing them to win. One of the many reasons I haven't cared about the Oscars for decades.
I worked for the Academy in the past. Its very difficult having conversations about film with them because they are very critical about what they consider “cinema” and worth holding up in high regards. “Snobby” is definitely a word, but “frustrating” is more accurate as a movie lover. The most frustrating is how they will refer to anything else as “genre” and yet ignore the fact that drama is just another genre. Celebration of film just isn’t what they are about and they made that evident when they tried to cut the awards for Best Edit and Cinematography.
The back of the Oscars don't have a category and award for stunt people is also an egregious, extremely egregious slap in the face to those who truly make the movies work and help keep the industry going. The Oscar's have been nothing more than a rigged popularity contest for over a decade.
They ignore incredible art because The Oscars are now a political machine and nothing more. I don't even take notice of The Oscars anymore, it's a joke and very disrespectful.
The Oscars get less viewership than any of the moves who did not get nominations. The Oscars have lost any and all relevance. I have my issues with Villeneuve's lack of understanding of Dune as a story, but even as a Science Fiction film director he should have at least gotten a Nomination. No one takes them seriously, no one watches them.
I gave up on the awards when Apocalypse Now lost to Kramer v. Kramer. Haven't wasted a minute thinking about this ever since. I know that Dune II was the best film I saw last year. While maybe the acting awards aren't so much warranted, I believe director, music, editing, SFX, cinematography should be locks, and a top contender for best film. Just not worth expending brain cells wondering about it.
It's time like these that Dennis Villeneuve gotta hit the Oscars with lead them to paradise. That would be such a good Oscar acceptance line just walks off stage.
I haven’t watched the Oscar’s in years. So much of it seems agenda driven and not representative of true art and achievement. I know it’s disappointing for filmmakers but I don’t think the public cares anymore.
Like Elaine, I have plenty of issues with Villeneuve's version of Dune, but that doesn't make the Academy's willful refusal to pay the slightest attention to these movies any less of a ridiculous decision obviously driven by the moronic genre snobbery of the Oscars.
I have seen all the Best Picture Nominees for this year's Oscars and IMO the only two films that are best picture material are Conclave and Dune Part2. But I would not be surprised if the film that ends up winning picture is Emilia Perez the film that offended an entire continent and an entire group of people at the same time and is an absolutely dreadful film in every way , with a 5.8 on IMDB it would be one of the lowest rated best picture wins ever. If Dune Pt2 Wins though that would make up for Villeneuve's snob in the Director and Adapted Screenplay category.
Academy: Why don’t normal people watch these any more? Why do people keep saying it’s just for weird pretentious concept films and biopics? Also the Academy: We’re going to bypass high concept artistically done sci fi, fantasy, and horror and nominate a bunch of weird pretentious films that no one has seen and a few biopics featuring A listers who gained and lost weight for these roles
I forgot about Annie Hall. I've got one for you. The 1975 Oscars for Best Actor. Nominees included: Jack Nicholson for Chinatown, Dustin Hoffman for Lenny & Al Pacino for Godfather Part II AND the winner - Art Carney for Harry and Tonto. An old man on a road trip with his cat. Yes it's a cute movie but..... So the Oscars have done this sort of garbage before. These egregious mistakes by the academy is nothing new. Another one is Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan.
There a reason I haven't cared about the Oscars for at least 2 decades. Anything that isn't obscure indie drama or drama from a specific small list of directors/producers/actors isn't seriously considered no matter how good they are.
This video really just shows your bias towards Dune and not the Oscars. Dune Part 2 was really a step down from Part 1 not a step up. The cinematography was less interesting, the story was adapted worse then it was in part 1, I didn't like the sandworm riding because they chose to go to realistic and made it difficult to see. If you really want to see a good adaptation then go watch the Syfy version because they made a brilliant adaptation on a much much smaller budget.
Since "Patton" war movies have taken a dive also. "A quiet place" coming on the heels of "Get Out" only got "Sound editing?? A Quiet Place changed how we watch movies in theaters. It didn't have social commentary so that was it's sin.
These movie awards haven’t been about best movies in long time, it’s been about what movies check the most boxes., for example: -Drama or musical -mid-twentieth century setting -current relevant social issues
Does this surprise you? Hollywood stopped catering to their audiences years ago. Now it's all about political correctness. Things will get worse before they get better.
Genre films, especially science fiction, have always struggled at the Oscars. I'm not surprised at all. Nolan didn't get his win until he started making historical dramas, and while I think they're great, movies like Inception or Interstellar were truly one of a kind and even more deserving.
I'm so glad to hear that Oscar got his own awards show! Being a little green puppet living in a garbage can behind sesame street is a really tough life for anyone. Also, we're watching Dune 2 for the tenth time (I think, it might be 12). Wow, like Star Wars did for the good-kid us'es, Denis' actual award-winning work does for the giddy excited kid in adult us'es. Can't wait for Messiah! (Feed the monster, get a bigger monster.)
Let the Oscars praise who they want. We Science Fiction and Fantasy and Horror Fans will praise our genres our own way, by supporting them in theaters, conventions, subscribing to streaming services to watch them, thru merchandise, etc,. Providing a successful career for those who make what we love, will shine brighter than any Oscar!
The Oscars are absolute Garbage. If they actually gave a damn anymore about real art, Dune Part 2 would freight train the whole damn thing...IMO. Josh Brolin nails it on the head.
I'm not sure it did deserve better. I very much enjoyed the first of Villeneuve's Dune films. It was a great beginning to the Dune story. However, the second one seemed lacking to me. Overall I think I even prefer David Lynch's 1984 version of Dune... Having written all that, the Oscars are more than a bit of a joke nowadays. Getting an Oscar is no guarantee a film or a performance is actually good. It's becoming increasingly meaningless.
For over a decade the Oscars have been it's own joke and punch line. To the point you can walk up on stage, physically assault someone, not get arrested, and recieve an award after the fact.
I think this was also a case for the idea that the source material and overarching story weren't well received or understood. It's a grand epic lacking the foundational gravitas embedded in its own legend. The academy didn't know what to do with it. As for DV being snubbed, that's just politics and unfair. Irrespective of the storytelling failures of Dune, it was still an incredible feat he performed to put all of the different elements together in a way to create such a visually compelling saga.
I think best picture is more than enough, cinematography and sound design as well. An hour was wasted on a forced romance that did not feel real at all, Zendaya was not the right pick. What makes her such an amazing actress is her ability to play such a grounded and realistic character like in Euphoria. This film needed the exact opposite. She came off as a sore thumb in an environment that was very well portrayed as a distance world with a distant culture. This made the actual exciting parts extremely rushed and honestly anti-climactic. I was disappointed.
@@CinePhile_Girl_Mahira I agree. The entire second half of part two ruins what both it's previous half AND the entire previous film, bare bones though it may have been, set up. Not only is the third act rushed, it's also edited like a series of vignettes (the entire book is adapted this way, as though it's all Vignettes of Dune) that barely have connective tissue to the previous beats shown and none of the weight and importance of the many elements of this world, least of which is the spice, is ever shown, spoken about or otherwise underlines, so that Paul's ultimatum to blow up the spice field carries any weight at all. For god's sake, if you stop taking spice, you die. Paul is willing to kdoom the entire universe by killing the command structure of the imperium, including himself, his mother, his wife, and his sister. None of this, and much more, even matters to Denis Villeneuve. It may not be why he was snubbed, but he deserves to have been
One of the many reasons why the Oscars has been irrelevant for years! How they snubbed this guy for the 2nd time is unbelievable. He's on a short list of true visionary film makers out there, like Christopher Nolan, and this is how they treat him. F those out of touch snobs at the Oscars.
I believe the only times the Oscars got it really right with Genre films that came out in the past decades was with the Return of the King film and Silence of the Lambs. Otherwise when a Genre film comes out that is of excellent quality in several aspects the Academy throws them a token award (or a few) and then awards the major categories to promote some cause or viewpoint rather than artistic ability (in my opinion).
The Oscars have been biased against Sci-Fi. The original TRON was refused a nomination for special effects because it was felt using computers was "cheating". Sci-Fi has never been considered "serious" film-making. Despite the box-office takings.
Emilia Perez is one nomination shy of Titanic, 1 nomination more than Ben-Hur, and 2 more than The Lord of the Rings Return of the King. One of these is NOT like the others.
That'll preach sister. The Academy bowed out of _film_ celebration a number of years ago. Now the Oscars are about box checking, bottle washing, and button sorting. Not movies.
It’s about being wined and dined after the Weinstein Oscar campaign methods were pioneered by that pervert. Academy Awards are only about who campaigns hardest to win.
I honestly believe - and I will beat this drum all the way to my grave - that the ppl that make up the film industry need to make their own awards. Not the directors, not the producers or studio clowns, but the people that work 80hr weeks on set and are somehow after all the grueling hours and strikes and safety concerns and low pay, still PASSIONATE about films… THOSE PEOPLE need to build and curate their own annual awards ceremony. Look up how and why the Oscars were initially created, Louis B Mayer, and then come back and re read this. People who don’t even like or know the Dune story loved this film… Denis Villeneuve doesn’t need the award, he’s proven his capacity for great films time and time again, but it would be great to see him recognized.
Dune 2 was an amazing theater experience, over 2 hours and 30 mins and I wanted more by the end. I haven’t been able to watch a full clip of this Emilia Perez movie without turning it off 40 seconds in. The Oscar’s are irrelevant.
If Paul had a scene where he gets an x change and became Paula, it would have improved their chances at the oscars. The Oscar’s have been irrelevant a long time ago.
agreed,speaking of snubs,l’m still pissed off about The Shawshank Redemption after all these years,l honestly think there should be separate Best Science Fiction/Fantasy and Comedy nomination categories 🤔
I may be the only one who feels this way but this reminds me a bit of Daft Punk at the Grammy's. They won just about everything they were nominated for, and in my humble opinion as a huge fan, Random Access Memories was not their strongest album. But I took it as them winning those awards for their entire career as a whole and not just for RAM. Maybe the Oscars will do the same in time...
I’ve worked in the industry and I even dated an academy member. The thing that you have to know about the Oscar’s is that a lot of people who can afford to pay not only their guild dues but also academy dues are wealthier and older academy members many of whom treat the Oscar’s like it’s their big contribution to society. Like they do nothing in their personal lives for others but then awards season rolls around and they think voting for The Green Book is their contribution to ending racism. You’ve also gotta contend with the other half being rich nepo babies who vote based on very superficial reasons. Movies that have broader appeal and make a happy statement and are accessible to everyone from the grip to the old timer production managers are most likely to win. I dated someone in the academy who voted for Manchester By The Sea despite looking at her phone through half the movie because it “felt important.” It’s not movie fans or even critics who give awards its movie staff members and many of them are shallow or just old.
Also forgot to mention it’s about people getting their “turn”. Happened with Brendan Frazier, Ke Huy Quan, Jamie Lee Curtis, and others who have compelling personal stories.
Yeah Dune should have gotten way more nominations, but also Nosferatu was severely snubbed for more or less the same nominations. Both really are GREAT movies and deserves all the praise they can get!
i never cared a lot for those autocratic and self-aggrandizing snobs at the oscar "academy" and surely never will. denis doesn't need validation by those ignorants. arrival and dune part 1+2 are beyond what movies normally are; the symbiosis between EVERY aspect a movie has - like camera, acting, pacing, sound, atmosphere, ...), is in its own realm. i'd call it "the villeneuve experience" and i am glad to live during the same time he does and to see his work first hand in cinema as he intended.
Who cares about the Oscars? I don't think anybody cares what these nitwits think. I make my own judgments and listen to bona fide reviews, like your channel. I totally respect your reviews and news that you put up. Respect. Something these pompous asses in the Oscar world will NEVER get from me. Carry on with your awesomeness, Nerd Cookies! 😊
Most styfy and fantasy films rarely win best film, director, and actor or supporting actor. They can win for everything else but... There does seem to be a clear bias, even before they became the norm in Hollywood, but now as it's standard in film making you think they would take some of the major awards...
Neither of Villeneuve's Dune films really deserve all that much awards attention. They're not particularly good adaptations, they mostly just stand up as flashy spectacle pieces masquerading as arty cinema. But that said, it's pretty wild to say this when you look at some of the films that _did_ get showered with nominations this year...
The Oscars have been about politics more than anything else, meaning that the winners are frequently the nominees who campaigned the hardest and the films that got the most financial backing from their studios for all those promotional campaigns during awards season. It’s also political when an actor gets the Oscar not because his performance was the best that year, but because his excellent acting from previous roles wasn’t rewarded by the Academy and now he gets the gold statuette because “it’s time”. So, he wins over other nominees who were better that particular year. Politics. It’s a joke that they still pretend they give those awards based on merit. One other thing: I don’t know if it’s still the case in the publishing world, but I remember when I was growing up how fiction books about ordinary people struggling through life in a real-world setting were constantly praised, while literary books set in fantasy, sci fi, or supernatural worlds were dismissed by book critics. At that time, the bias against recognizing the merits of great speculative fiction was common in both movies and books. Not much has changed, it seems.
Politics, special interests, networking and pure incompetence plagues the Movie Academy since its creation. We don't lack plenty of criticism and injustices over the years.
They would ignore altogether those types of films if they could because obviously they consider them not artistic. But they can’t because they are so popular. This is elitism at its highest. They even considered adding a “popular” or something category (whatever that means) at some point but it felt even more ridiculous it never went anywhere.
One Flew Over the cuckoo nest was the first movie that won best picture that was designed to win awards rather than appeal to audiences. The original Jaws lost too. Between The Sting and titanic no biggest picture won best picture
Dune parts 1 & 2 combined made over $1.1 billion…. Emilia Perez made like twenty-seven dollars and 38 cents. The audience votes with their wallets, while the academy votes on ballots. No one cares about the Oscar’s anymore. Yes, Denis absolutely deserves not only a nomination but the best director award… and hopefully he knows that the audience and fans appreciate his talent more than one little statue could ever signify.
I agree with everything you have just said and its pretty obvious that Dune , A complete unknown even will not win the Oscars because of b.s excuses, they are saying not just to the producer and everyone who has brought this magic to the big screen, the actors like Timothee who has worked soo hard to put everything into his roles as well as all the actors who are outstanding.. they just dont fit their agenda, including us the people who go to the cinema to support our actors that we love .. Josh is right why do they bother? Why do we all bother ..? because we love the cinema and the magic of spending 2 or 3 hrs in another world..
About the logistics of the oscar the scope is really narrow, and a lot of movies fall through the cracks. Also only members of the academy can evaluate the movies, and usually those are people who have won an award. agreen in a list for the year is too big of a task, specially if you need to watch those movies. so the movies have to reach the eyes of the members, which sometime that determines the success in the awards. yeah I think dune part 2 suffer for 2 simple reasons: it's a second part, and also it was screen months ago. and the majority of the members in the academy are actors, so drama is unevenly preferred. fantasy, horror, comedy and other genres tend to underperform aswell.
The Oscars just goes to show you that Hollywood only cares about "the message". Glad Denis Villeneuve doesn't care about "the message" and we saw that in both Dune movies which were magnificent. Hollywood culture is repulsive these days.
Typical Oscars' attitude towards SciFi movies. Even 2001: A space odyssey, a timeless cinematic achievement and one of the greatest films of all time, was nominated to best director, original screenplay, production design and visual effects, but only got the VFX award.
After the deserved backlash in 2022 the Academy Awards began airing the technical awards again the following year. Dune Part Two deserved better this awards season. But you know what? This film will stand the test of time. It’s my favourite of 2024 and I know a lot of moviegoers feel the same way.
Kind of agree because Villeneuve’s Dune movies are masterpieces, but Oscar’s lost value and merit over a decade ago so no big loss from that perspective.
My wife remembers "Annie Hall" but she is an Allen fan (as far as his films go; I prefer his comedies like "Sleeper" and "Bananas"). But no other people I know talk about him and I've never watched any of his 80s and newer stuff with my wife. But anyway, the Oscars are and have always been decided behind doors and not by ticket sales. It is the equivalent of your boss (the Academy) leaving donuts and coffee (nominations and awards) in the break room (on the stage with your dumb fans watching you circle jerk with the other celebrities). I worked in the book retail market and the New York Times Best Seller List is also decided by suits jockeying for power in the publishing realm and not by what readers like. If you didn't vote for it, the award is not real basically. Marketing to prompt ticket sales.
The Oscars generally don't award big budget cinemas. I understand the sentiment to a point. Because, the smaller budget productions, and certain subject matters get the marketing they couldn't get on their own. However, I think since Weinstein it's not really been about merit either. It's about who puts up a good campaign, which hands you've greased and is your subject matter politically correct. The entire Weinstein fiasco showed how OSCARS are won.
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The fact that Emelia Perez is on the Oscars list not just once but 13 times tells you everything you need to know about the Oscars and how much would a joke they are and that no one is taking them seriously. So being snubbed by the Oscars right now is actually a good thing. I wouldn't want to be in the same company as Emilia Perez
I read the synopsis on Wikipedia and all I can say is, "why did they make this a Goddamn musical?"
@@CaptainSeato It was supposed to be "why did they make this?"
Emilia Perez has more noms than the Godfather. DEI is all they care about.
I think those 13 nominations are the nail in the coffin in whatever credibility they still had
Saw EP earlier today and hated every second of it. Nobody can take the Oscars seriously now. It is a joke
The Oscars are not about art any longer. Only identity, apparently. Absolute clown world..
If they weren’t “about art”, then the only movies getting nominations would be generic blockbusters and fast and the furious sequels.
I should write a script about a black, lesbian, transexual living in Notsee Germany. Hollywood will give me all the Oscars.
They were never about art.
Technically Gladiator II is about identity since Lucius is trying to figure out who he is, how he fits in the world, should he embrace his birthright?
Very very true . 👏
The Oscars have been out of touch for decades now. This does not surprise me. It's a bunch of snobs wallowing in their own crap and only giving credit to those wallowing with them.
That reminds me of a leaked conversation between the Oscar judges on how they decided the Best Picture a few years ago. It was so unserious and unprofessional.
Who cares what the Oscars think
Well, it was cool when Return of the King swept the Oscars. Because that movie's amazing.
It would be cool to see another great movie acknowledged
In truth the Oscars have not been remotely relevant, or even minimally legitimate or credible, in well over a decade.
they snubbed it because it was written at the time of the algerian war of independence
which mirrors the palestinian war for independence
hollywood is packed with small hatters like weinstein and they don't want the movie getting the recognition it deserves
it made me laugh when benocide shapiro reviewed it last year and gave it a massive thumbs up...he was either too dumb to realise what the movie was about, or he never watched it despite reviewing
That's exactly what I say when my favorite movies are completely ignored (99% of the time)
Then I act like Oscars are proof that a movie is amazing when my favorite movies win.
Filmmakers/actors care because the voters are their peers.
This year's Oscar nominations was the final nail in the coffin for me regarding the snobfest that is the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.
The final nail for me was, when Shakespeare In Love won back in the 90's
@@EdwardVonKhil For me it was 2010 when 'Inception', 'Black Swan', and 'The Social Network' all came out...all great, memorable films...and they all lost to...'The Kings Speech,' another precious period piece (that nobody saw or cared about) the Oscars seem to love
Only two films that deserve to be best picture nominees are Conclave and Dune pt2 everything else is either terrible or decent but not best pic worthy.
the oscars have meant fuck all to normal people for 5-10 years now. its a literal blowjob from hollywood to itself.. noone outside of it does (or should) give a shite about it, its all back-patting and cringey
Art? It’s politics wrapped up w/ART supposedly
I remember when Sigourney Weaver was nominated for best actress in Aliens. We were shocked an actress from a sci-fi movie was nominated. We knew she wouldn't win, the Academy has always snubbed sci-fi films. I was going to watch this year, but I'll pass.
good call as its just hollywood sucking off itself, or the bits that suit it this year. its meant nothing to normal people for going on a decade now- its all bluster and bullshit in most peoples eyes
What's even wilder is that Dune II is in competition for Best Picture with a film called _Emilia Pérez_ -- a musical that's currently sitting at a 19% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, only made like $4 million at the box-office; and yet somehow has been nominated for more Oscars than A New Hope, The Godfather, Apocalypse Now, Titanic, Return of the King...
It's not Sci Fi as such but more genre cinema. Horror, Westerns, Comedy all suffer.
Hollywood wants to cater to the lowest common denominator, so nerdy genres are seen as niche, and too much of a risk for them.
If it's not current or period drama it isn't seriously considered, and if it even gets nominated it's done so as a token for PR purposes with no intention of allowing them to win. One of the many reasons I haven't cared about the Oscars for decades.
Star Wars gave birth to a generation of sci-fi fans. Annie Hall had Diane Keaton dressing like the character 24/7 years after the movie was forgotten.
🤣 That’s accurate. God damn.
I worked for the Academy in the past. Its very difficult having conversations about film with them because they are very critical about what they consider “cinema” and worth holding up in high regards. “Snobby” is definitely a word, but “frustrating” is more accurate as a movie lover.
The most frustrating is how they will refer to anything else as “genre” and yet ignore the fact that drama is just another genre. Celebration of film just isn’t what they are about and they made that evident when they tried to cut the awards for Best Edit and Cinematography.
Thank you for your thoughts. I agree. :)
The back of the Oscars don't have a category and award for stunt people is also an egregious, extremely egregious slap in the face to those who truly make the movies work and help keep the industry going. The Oscar's have been nothing more than a rigged popularity contest for over a decade.
They ignore incredible art because The Oscars are now a political machine and nothing more. I don't even take notice of The Oscars anymore, it's a joke and very disrespectful.
The Oscars get less viewership than any of the moves who did not get nominations. The Oscars have lost any and all relevance. I have my issues with Villeneuve's lack of understanding of Dune as a story, but even as a Science Fiction film director he should have at least gotten a Nomination. No one takes them seriously, no one watches them.
The Oscars are a bunch of snobs who like to promote arthouse nonsense that does nothing to excite the general audience.
The Oscars are now totally irrelevant.
I love sci-fi and fantasy. I've never watched the Oscars. I can't sit through movies about boring people and their stupid problems.
I gave up on the awards when Apocalypse Now lost to Kramer v. Kramer. Haven't wasted a minute thinking about this ever since. I know that Dune II was the best film I saw last year. While maybe the acting awards aren't so much warranted, I believe director, music, editing, SFX, cinematography should be locks, and a top contender for best film. Just not worth expending brain cells wondering about it.
It's time like these that Dennis Villeneuve gotta hit the Oscars with lead them to paradise. That would be such a good Oscar acceptance line just walks off stage.
I haven’t watched the Oscar’s in years. So much of it seems agenda driven and not representative of true art and achievement. I know it’s disappointing for filmmakers but I don’t think the public cares anymore.
Like Elaine, I have plenty of issues with Villeneuve's version of Dune, but that doesn't make the Academy's willful refusal to pay the slightest attention to these movies any less of a ridiculous decision obviously driven by the moronic genre snobbery of the Oscars.
The academy isn't going to honor a movie about a 'white savior.'
I have seen all the Best Picture Nominees for this year's Oscars and IMO the only two films that are best picture material are Conclave and Dune Part2. But I would not be surprised if the film that ends up winning picture is Emilia Perez the film that offended an entire continent and an entire group of people at the same time and is an absolutely dreadful film in every way , with a 5.8 on IMDB it would be one of the lowest rated best picture wins ever. If Dune Pt2 Wins though that would make up for Villeneuve's snob in the Director and Adapted Screenplay category.
Academy: Why don’t normal people watch these any more? Why do people keep saying it’s just for weird pretentious concept films and biopics?
Also the Academy: We’re going to bypass high concept artistically done sci fi, fantasy, and horror and nominate a bunch of weird pretentious films that no one has seen and a few biopics featuring A listers who gained and lost weight for these roles
I forgot about Annie Hall. I've got one for you. The 1975 Oscars for Best Actor. Nominees included: Jack Nicholson for Chinatown, Dustin Hoffman for Lenny & Al Pacino for Godfather Part II AND the winner - Art Carney for Harry and Tonto. An old man on a road trip with his cat. Yes it's a cute movie but..... So the Oscars have done this sort of garbage before. These egregious mistakes by the academy is nothing new. Another one is Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan.
There a reason I haven't cared about the Oscars for at least 2 decades.
Anything that isn't obscure indie drama or drama from a specific small list of directors/producers/actors isn't seriously considered no matter how good they are.
This video really just shows your bias towards Dune and not the Oscars. Dune Part 2 was really a step down from Part 1 not a step up. The cinematography was less interesting, the story was adapted worse then it was in part 1, I didn't like the sandworm riding because they chose to go to realistic and made it difficult to see. If you really want to see a good adaptation then go watch the Syfy version because they made a brilliant adaptation on a much much smaller budget.
Sci Fi movies, along with fantasy films, have always only ever received a grudging acknowledgement from the academy.
You think that Star Wars should have gotten best picture? LOL... Dune 2 was a good film. But, NONE of the acting performances were oscar-worthy.
Since "Patton" war movies have taken a dive also.
"A quiet place" coming on the heels of "Get Out" only got "Sound editing?? A Quiet Place changed how we watch movies in theaters. It didn't have social commentary so that was it's sin.
These movie awards haven’t been about best movies in long time, it’s been about what movies check the most boxes., for example:
-Drama or musical
-mid-twentieth century setting
-current relevant social issues
It was a long running joke in many comedies he starred in--Bob Hope getting an Oscar. Comedies almost never get noms.
Timothy should’ve been nominated for Best Actor for Dune: Part Two. His performance in the gathering sequence of the movie was amazing
Does this surprise you? Hollywood stopped catering to their audiences years ago. Now it's all about political correctness. Things will get worse before they get better.
Thank you for reminding me why I no longer watch the Oscars. Just ridiculous!
Genre films, especially science fiction, have always struggled at the Oscars. I'm not surprised at all. Nolan didn't get his win until he started making historical dramas, and while I think they're great, movies like Inception or Interstellar were truly one of a kind and even more deserving.
Yep, been watching Oscars for over 45 years and noticed the BIAS against anything "Popular"
I stopped watching the Oscars in 1982.
I'm so glad to hear that Oscar got his own awards show! Being a little green puppet living in a garbage can behind sesame street is a really tough life for anyone. Also, we're watching Dune 2 for the tenth time (I think, it might be 12). Wow, like Star Wars did for the good-kid us'es, Denis' actual award-winning work does for the giddy excited kid in adult us'es. Can't wait for Messiah! (Feed the monster, get a bigger monster.)
Mr. Mayer would be ashamed of what his Hot Dog Intracounty Short Film Festival Awards have turned into…
Let the Oscars praise who they want. We Science Fiction and Fantasy and Horror Fans will praise our genres our own way, by supporting them in theaters, conventions, subscribing to streaming services to watch them, thru merchandise, etc,. Providing a successful career for those who make what we love, will shine brighter than any Oscar!
The Oscars have completely blown any credibility they might have because of how excessively Emilia Perez was nominated. What a joke.
The Oscars nomination process is idiotic and the prize has no real meaning at all for at least 4-5 years now.
The Oscars are absolute Garbage. If they actually gave a damn anymore about real art, Dune Part 2 would freight train the whole damn thing...IMO. Josh Brolin nails it on the head.
I'm not sure it did deserve better. I very much enjoyed the first of Villeneuve's Dune films. It was a great beginning to the Dune story. However, the second one seemed lacking to me. Overall I think I even prefer David Lynch's 1984 version of Dune... Having written all that, the Oscars are more than a bit of a joke nowadays. Getting an Oscar is no guarantee a film or a performance is actually good. It's becoming increasingly meaningless.
For over a decade the Oscars have been it's own joke and punch line. To the point you can walk up on stage, physically assault someone, not get arrested, and recieve an award after the fact.
I think this was also a case for the idea that the source material and overarching story weren't well received or understood. It's a grand epic lacking the foundational gravitas embedded in its own legend. The academy didn't know what to do with it. As for DV being snubbed, that's just politics and unfair. Irrespective of the storytelling failures of Dune, it was still an incredible feat he performed to put all of the different elements together in a way to create such a visually compelling saga.
Thank you for an interesting and informative video. Blessings!
On the bright side, IMO, no one cares about the Academy Awards anymore.
Does anyone remember that disgusting scene in 'Annie Hall' with the lobsters? 🤮
That scene was bad but the movie is still very good!
@@patricknewton3005 La-dee-da! 😉
I think best picture is more than enough, cinematography and sound design as well.
An hour was wasted on a forced romance that did not feel real at all, Zendaya was not the right pick. What makes her such an amazing actress is her ability to play such a grounded and realistic character like in Euphoria. This film needed the exact opposite. She came off as a sore thumb in an environment that was very well portrayed as a distance world with a distant culture.
This made the actual exciting parts extremely rushed and honestly anti-climactic. I was disappointed.
@@CinePhile_Girl_Mahira I agree. The entire second half of part two ruins what both it's previous half AND the entire previous film, bare bones though it may have been, set up. Not only is the third act rushed, it's also edited like a series of vignettes (the entire book is adapted this way, as though it's all Vignettes of Dune) that barely have connective tissue to the previous beats shown and none of the weight and importance of the many elements of this world, least of which is the spice, is ever shown, spoken about or otherwise underlines, so that Paul's ultimatum to blow up the spice field carries any weight at all.
For god's sake, if you stop taking spice, you die. Paul is willing to kdoom the entire universe by killing the command structure of the imperium, including himself, his mother, his wife, and his sister.
None of this, and much more, even matters to Denis Villeneuve.
It may not be why he was snubbed, but he deserves to have been
One of the many reasons why the Oscars has been irrelevant for years! How they snubbed this guy for the 2nd time is unbelievable. He's on a short list of true visionary film makers out there, like Christopher Nolan, and this is how they treat him. F those out of touch snobs at the Oscars.
Exactly, nobody cares about the oscars.
I believe the only times the Oscars got it really right with Genre films that came out in the past decades was with the Return of the King film and Silence of the Lambs.
Otherwise when a Genre film comes out that is of excellent quality in several aspects the Academy throws them a token award (or a few) and then awards the major categories to promote some cause or viewpoint rather than artistic ability (in my opinion).
Needed musical number 🎵Man to Worm, Worm To Man, Leto will be Emperor🎵
The Oscars have been biased against Sci-Fi. The original TRON was refused a nomination for special effects because it was felt using computers was "cheating".
Sci-Fi has never been considered "serious" film-making. Despite the box-office takings.
Time and audience are the only indicators of how good a movie is.
Emilia Perez is one nomination shy of Titanic, 1 nomination more than Ben-Hur, and 2 more than The Lord of the Rings Return of the King. One of these is NOT like the others.
That'll preach sister.
The Academy bowed out of _film_ celebration a number of years ago. Now the Oscars are about box checking, bottle washing, and button sorting. Not movies.
It’s about being wined and dined after the Weinstein Oscar campaign methods were pioneered by that pervert. Academy Awards are only about who campaigns hardest to win.
There were films shown to empty theaters nominated.
Good thing I don’t watch any award shows, but I do go to film festivals.
trully, he altered Chanis character JUST for this.... im kinda glad he didnt get it.
I honestly believe - and I will beat this drum all the way to my grave - that the ppl that make up the film industry need to make their own awards. Not the directors, not the producers or studio clowns, but the people that work 80hr weeks on set and are somehow after all the grueling hours and strikes and safety concerns and low pay, still PASSIONATE about films… THOSE PEOPLE need to build and curate their own annual awards ceremony.
Look up how and why the Oscars were initially created, Louis B Mayer, and then come back and re read this.
People who don’t even like or know the Dune story loved this film… Denis Villeneuve doesn’t need the award, he’s proven his capacity for great films time and time again, but it would be great to see him recognized.
Dune 2 was an amazing theater experience, over 2 hours and 30 mins and I wanted more by the end. I haven’t been able to watch a full clip of this Emilia Perez movie without turning it off 40 seconds in. The Oscar’s are irrelevant.
If Paul had a scene where he gets an x change and became Paula, it would have improved their chances at the oscars. The Oscar’s have been irrelevant a long time ago.
It's doesn't matter all the Oscars will go to the Trans person and that transmovie. It's a given.
Dune pt2 is a perfect film.
agreed,speaking of snubs,l’m still pissed off about The Shawshank Redemption after all these years,l
honestly think there should be separate Best Science Fiction/Fantasy and Comedy nomination categories 🤔
I may be the only one who feels this way but this reminds me a bit of Daft Punk at the Grammy's. They won just about everything they were nominated for, and in my humble opinion as a huge fan, Random Access Memories was not their strongest album. But I took it as them winning those awards for their entire career as a whole and not just for RAM. Maybe the Oscars will do the same in time...
I’ve worked in the industry and I even dated an academy member. The thing that you have to know about the Oscar’s is that a lot of people who can afford to pay not only their guild dues but also academy dues are wealthier and older academy members many of whom treat the Oscar’s like it’s their big contribution to society. Like they do nothing in their personal lives for others but then awards season rolls around and they think voting for The Green Book is their contribution to ending racism. You’ve also gotta contend with the other half being rich nepo babies who vote based on very superficial reasons. Movies that have broader appeal and make a happy statement and are accessible to everyone from the grip to the old timer production managers are most likely to win. I dated someone in the academy who voted for Manchester By The Sea despite looking at her phone through half the movie because it “felt important.” It’s not movie fans or even critics who give awards its movie staff members and many of them are shallow or just old.
Also forgot to mention it’s about people getting their “turn”. Happened with Brendan Frazier, Ke Huy Quan, Jamie Lee Curtis, and others who have compelling personal stories.
Yeah Dune should have gotten way more nominations, but also Nosferatu was severely snubbed for more or less the same nominations. Both really are GREAT movies and deserves all the praise they can get!
i never cared a lot for those autocratic and self-aggrandizing snobs at the oscar "academy" and surely never will.
denis doesn't need validation by those ignorants.
arrival and dune part 1+2 are beyond what movies normally are; the symbiosis between EVERY aspect a movie has - like camera, acting, pacing, sound, atmosphere, ...), is in its own realm. i'd call it "the villeneuve experience" and i am glad to live during the same time he does and to see his work first hand in cinema as he intended.
Amelia Perez has a 2.3 ⭐️ average on Letterboxd. I’m gonna throw up
The Academy probably prefer Brian Herbert's books lol
Who cares about the Oscars?
I don't think anybody cares what these nitwits think.
I make my own judgments and listen to bona fide reviews, like your channel. I totally respect your reviews and news that you put up.
Respect.
Something these pompous asses in the Oscar world will NEVER get from me.
Carry on with your awesomeness, Nerd Cookies! 😊
Most styfy and fantasy films rarely win best film, director, and actor or supporting actor. They can win for everything else but... There does seem to be a clear bias, even before they became the norm in Hollywood, but now as it's standard in film making you think they would take some of the major awards...
Yeah but dune fans deserved better too.
Neither of Villeneuve's Dune films really deserve all that much awards attention. They're not particularly good adaptations, they mostly just stand up as flashy spectacle pieces masquerading as arty cinema. But that said, it's pretty wild to say this when you look at some of the films that _did_ get showered with nominations this year...
That's wild...
The Oscars have been about politics more than anything else, meaning that the winners are frequently the nominees who campaigned the hardest and the films that got the most financial backing from their studios for all those promotional campaigns during awards season.
It’s also political when an actor gets the Oscar not because his performance was the best that year, but because his excellent acting from previous roles wasn’t rewarded by the Academy and now he gets the gold statuette because “it’s time”. So, he wins over other nominees who were better that particular year. Politics. It’s a joke that they still pretend they give those awards based on merit.
One other thing: I don’t know if it’s still the case in the publishing world, but I remember when I was growing up how fiction books about ordinary people struggling through life in a real-world setting were constantly praised, while literary books set in fantasy, sci fi, or supernatural worlds were dismissed by book critics. At that time, the bias against recognizing the merits of great speculative fiction was common in both movies and books. Not much has changed, it seems.
Politics, special interests, networking and pure incompetence plagues the Movie Academy since its creation. We don't lack plenty of criticism and injustices over the years.
How many Themes did John Williams carry Over between STAR WARS movies? That's the Lamest excuse like there was a competition.
They would ignore altogether those types of films if they could because obviously they consider them not artistic. But they can’t because they are so popular. This is elitism at its highest.
They even considered adding a “popular” or something category (whatever that means) at some point but it felt even more ridiculous it never went anywhere.
The Oscars have always been very important to me, I very carefully wait till after the Oscars are handed out and then avoid any film that got one 😊
Hollywood is no longer about achievement and excellence.
Oscars are meaningless popularity contests. We know what has value.
Does anyone outside of Hollywood actually care about the Oscars anymore? It's not about good movies, it's about checking boxes.
One Flew Over the cuckoo nest was the first movie that won best picture that was designed to win awards rather than appeal to audiences. The original Jaws lost too. Between The Sting and titanic no biggest picture won best picture
Dune 2 wasn't a good movie. It's was well made but the story and action scenes were shot poorly
Dune parts 1 & 2 combined made over $1.1 billion…. Emilia Perez made like twenty-seven dollars and 38 cents. The audience votes with their wallets, while the academy votes on ballots. No one cares about the Oscar’s anymore. Yes, Denis absolutely deserves not only a nomination but the best director award… and hopefully he knows that the audience and fans appreciate his talent more than one little statue could ever signify.
I agree with everything you have just said and its pretty obvious that Dune , A complete unknown even will not win the Oscars because of b.s excuses, they are saying not just to the producer and everyone who has brought this magic to the big screen, the actors like Timothee who has worked soo hard to put everything into his roles as well as all the actors who are outstanding.. they just dont fit their agenda, including us the people who go to the cinema to support our actors that we love .. Josh is right why do they bother? Why do we all bother ..? because we love the cinema and the magic of spending 2 or 3 hrs in another world..
About the logistics of the oscar the scope is really narrow, and a lot of movies fall through the cracks. Also only members of the academy can evaluate the movies, and usually those are people who have won an award. agreen in a list for the year is too big of a task, specially if you need to watch those movies. so the movies have to reach the eyes of the members, which sometime that determines the success in the awards. yeah I think dune part 2 suffer for 2 simple reasons: it's a second part, and also it was screen months ago. and the majority of the members in the academy are actors, so drama is unevenly preferred. fantasy, horror, comedy and other genres tend to underperform aswell.
The Oscars just goes to show you that Hollywood only cares about "the message". Glad Denis Villeneuve doesn't care about "the message" and we saw that in both Dune movies which were magnificent. Hollywood culture is repulsive these days.
Typical Oscars' attitude towards SciFi movies. Even 2001: A space odyssey, a timeless cinematic achievement and one of the greatest films of all time, was nominated to best director, original screenplay, production design and visual effects, but only got the VFX award.
Hollywood hates Genre Movies sometimes you can slip in a Horror Movie but its real hard for Fantasy/Sci-Fi/Sci-Fantasy.
After the deserved backlash in 2022 the Academy Awards began airing the technical awards again the following year. Dune Part Two deserved better this awards season. But you know what? This film will stand the test of time. It’s my favourite of 2024 and I know a lot of moviegoers feel the same way.
Kind of agree because Villeneuve’s Dune movies are masterpieces, but Oscar’s lost value and merit over a decade ago so no big loss from that perspective.
Another good video! Subbed. Too bad sci fi gets ignored and dismissed so easily.
hollywood lost its creativity long ago, with few exceptions. patting themselves on the back for remakes and sequels isn't very interesting.
My wife remembers "Annie Hall" but she is an Allen fan (as far as his films go; I prefer his comedies like "Sleeper" and "Bananas"). But no other people I know talk about him and I've never watched any of his 80s and newer stuff with my wife. But anyway, the Oscars are and have always been decided behind doors and not by ticket sales. It is the equivalent of your boss (the Academy) leaving donuts and coffee (nominations and awards) in the break room (on the stage with your dumb fans watching you circle jerk with the other celebrities). I worked in the book retail market and the New York Times Best Seller List is also decided by suits jockeying for power in the publishing realm and not by what readers like. If you didn't vote for it, the award is not real basically. Marketing to prompt ticket sales.
1. Awards shows are a complete waste of time. 2. Chalemet was miscast. 3. They took the cool stuff out of the second movie and made it too actiony.
The Oscars generally don't award big budget cinemas. I understand the sentiment to a point. Because, the smaller budget productions, and certain subject matters get the marketing they couldn't get on their own. However, I think since Weinstein it's not really been about merit either. It's about who puts up a good campaign, which hands you've greased and is your subject matter politically correct. The entire Weinstein fiasco showed how OSCARS are won.