About 80m folks will be trying to elect a sexual predator President in a couple of weeks. For a country stolen from the indigenous people and founded by puritanical immigrants, the US is sure effed up at the moment. Hopefully sanity prevails again and it can keep turning the corner.
Agree. Instead Browns get media to use psychological tactics to blame the fans as if they don't deserve to have a winning team. If I were a Browns fan I'd throw away the hats, jerseys, etc & never attend nor watch a Browns game again.
@@genkiwan8949 Maybe think about it from the perspective of people who have suffered abuse of this kind at some point, or the women he abused. Seeing a predator have karma come back to bite them in the ass when no one else seems to want to punish them for it? Zero issue with that being celebrated. He's getting back what he put into the universe.
As a woman, no one can make me feel bad for celebrating the Watson injury. The only thing that made it sweeter was watching him suck and embarrass himself for 2 years before having a season ending injury. It's nice seeing karma actually work sometimes.
To be fair if you go through the lawsuits one by one, I'd say 4 of them are credible allegations of SA and the rest are escorts who knew what they were doing trying to get a check. And those 4 credible allegations should probably be tried in a criminal court.
As a male with basic level human empathy I also celebrated. He was unrepentant, and he is rich whether or not he plays another down. We really gonna pity this man?
I have no sympathy for Groper Cleveland. I don't feel joy at his injury and the probable end of his career, but dude settled over two dozen sexual assault allegations and got paid millions still. I get tired of folks telling me I should pity people who do not have basic human morals.
On top of the fact they ran Baker out of town, and then REFUSED to sign Flacco as a backup because he was a threat to Watson. The Browns deserve all of this
AND -- Baker Mayfield has been MUCH better than Watson (especially in the last season and a half with Tampa Bay), so Cleveland *had* a potential pro-bowler on the roster already.
People act like his life was threatened? He pulled his Achilles, and he’s been terrible at his job for 3 years, it wasn’t a shot at Deshaun it was a shot at hasslem for guaranteeing his money and saddling the fans with this piss poor product for the last 3 seasons. Ray lewis killed a guy, won a Super Bowl nobody cares, but if you think you can get that kind of money and underproduce? You’re absolutely naive. “It’s someone’s livelihood “ Stfu he ain’t working again ever
I mean I would have preferred a benching but I sure as hell don’t feel horrible he got hurt. Browns fans didn’t trade for him so I feel pretty bad for them
I know y'all mostly focus on the on-field aspects of things, but in this case I think it misses the point. If Watson was just a bad QB who got injured then any fans who cheered the injury would be condemned, as we've seen in the past. The reason this is one of the only times there's been mainstream acceptance of cheering the injury is because this feels karmic in some way due to him having assaulted 20+ women.
This is where I deviate from the fans. First, all those were alleged, not convicted. Secondly, most of them sound like escorts trying to get a check. I think there are 4 or so that sound like actual assault, and they should probably be adjudicated in criminal court. I think there is enough smoke that there is probably fire, but to say he committed assault 20+ times when he's not been convicted of one is a bit of a spit in the face to the presumption of innocence. Let's not promote a culture that killed Brian Banks and Shawn Oakman's careers (among many other men's futures) before they even started.
@@Bonesawisready926 If it has to be a choice, I'll take "someone missed out at a chance for several million" over "mover humans victimized due to a culture of victim blaming"
@@Bonesawisready926 Yeah! Clean logic! He only assaulted a FEW women, totally different. The fans are idiots and Watson is a good boy making a mistake over and over and over, after all.
Watson broke the cardinal rule of sports criminals, not the crime, but not playing well, if he had taken the browns to the Super Bowl, a bronze statue of him getting a message would be built downtown
@@cmorris9494Ragles did right with Jaylen Hurts, thats what the Browns should've done with Bajer reguardless of the injury year. Expect look how dumb this franchise has been always doing dumb time after time.
I’m a browns fan and have been disgusted by the franchise since the move for watson. I hate to see anyone get hurt. However, this franchise, it’s media and a lot of fans continue to gaslight people for rooting against watson in anyway. I’m disgusted by a lot of football fans like the blind watson lover boys, the nfl, and by wataon himself. Booing someone accused of 25 sexual assault charges should be the least of people’s worries in all this but they have to divert the attention away from how god awful the move from watson has been.
Its been rouhg as a fan of this team. I've been a fan since I was 5 years old and im 19 now. I wasn't there after the move to baltimore but I've been here for the most part and we finally had a roster that I felt was enough to get us over the hump. Baker got injured and played through it and we traded him after the season. I always thought that was the wrong choice and as an organization who is known for making bad decisions I knew we were getting Deshaun after the Baker trade. Its been downhill since and any goodwill I had for the organization is gone. I feel no sympathy for Deshaun and even was a little happy he got hurt.
@@kevinerbs2778 With this defense, the team might be good with 40 and 40. Watson was statistically worse than Brandon Weeden. He was statistically worse than Charlie Frye. Statistically worse than DeShone Kizer, the elderly corpse of Trent Dilfer and the yay-fueled mania of Johnny Manziel. It's borderline impossible for any replacement not to be better than Watson has been this year.
$200 million guaranteed that man doesn't have to work another day in his life. I don't feel bad for anybody making that kind of money. Also injuries like this are part of football, it comes with the territory. I'm not cheering for Watson's injury but I have absolute no sympathy for him.
I just find it funny that football analysts, the NFL entity, and former and current players protect and praise a person who molested and took advantage of women.... But draw the line about fans just vocally booing the guy. So physically abusing women is cool, verbally booing a guy briefly as he exits the stadium is the bad thing. The booing or cheering or whatever is so temporary. His bag is guaranteed. All he has to do is go heal in his big mansion for the next year and chill. People act like he got shot or beat with some kind of weapon. Football and it's people (players, coaches, and analysts) live in such a bubble world.
I live in the Philly area (not an Eagles fan however) and I remember when they hired Michael Vick. The fans hated this pick and thought the Eagles should drop him or try and trade him away...until he started winning them games. Then it went from "That guy is a dog fighter, I don't want to see him wearing my team's jersey" to "He served his time and everyone deserves a second chance" freakishly quickly. I never did and cheered every time he took a hit.
Buddy there ain’t a single person on the face of this Earth that’s gonna make me feel bad for celebrating Deshaun Watson’s injury. He deserves to be in prison, so $230 million and a torn Achilles is way better than he deserves.
I will never cheer for an injury, ever. That being said, it says a lot about Deshaun Watson that I'm not really willing to condemn the people who have and did.
Browns fans were criticized for supporting Watson when he arrived. Now we’re demonized for cheering the fact that we’re no longer forced to watch him play. The national media shitting on Cleveland…what else is new.
The Browns did this to themselves. They won a few games after being the skidmarks for 20 years, and thought that they can just fire football guys like John Dorsey and Alex Van Pelt and trading away a QB in Baker that stopped the revolving door of over 30 starting QB's since 2000 because he played hurt. I'm here for all of this. They deserve for this sure. I used to also defend the fans, but after watching the Stadium cheer Watson's achilles injury, it appears to me that they're deserving of that factory of sadness
As a former Browns fan, I’m not happy he got hurt, but I can empathize with every fan in that stadium for how they reacted. This has been a humiliating failure on all accounts, and the team should completely clean house. But even when they inevitably do, I will never root for the Browns again. Not even winning a Super Bowl will fix this, because I will never forget that I spent my time and money supporting this team - only for that to be flipped into life-changing money for Deshaun Watson and the absolute clowns who brought him to Cleveland.
Honestly, this should go down as worse than the Herschel Walker trade. The draft capital alone isn't quite enough. The contract makes it arguable. The horrible PR and fanbase alienation makes it a real debate. The fact that they threw away a capable (and potentially great) QB when they kicked Baker out to replace him with Watson should give the Watson trade the edge. If they had Baker right now, the Browns may well be a true contender, and that makes it the worst trade ever in my eyes.
It's WAY worse than that trade. If Walker had produced he absolutely would have been the missing piece for Minnesota getting a Super Bowl. No question the upside was there. But he didn't. They mortgaged the future on a bet. They got burned. It happens. The Watson trade though... you bring in a known turd of a human, give him the bag, then expect him to give a flip about anything but his guaranteed money every week. You do so while sending your future elsewhere. If this doesn't work out, you have no fallback. The Vikings had a solid core and could still build off of it. The Browns don't, and they won't have one anytime soon. It's insane.
@@ObscuraDeCapra The Walker trade is usually held up as the worst trade ever because of the sheer capital MIN forked over, 3 1sts, 3 2nds, a 3rd and a 6th for a 28yr old RB with just one 1k yard rushing season. Every trade is a gamble, this one just had horrible odds of being worth it for MIN and ultimately ending up wasting their core, allowing the Cowboys to rise as the next dynasty after SF was finished instead of MIN. Cleveland gave up less picks for a younger player with a better track record of success at a more important position. The contract, PR nightmare, and Baker's success elsewhere are where this trade goes off the rails.
Booing Watson for getting injured was really unfair considering that a season-ending injury is his strongest move. To be fair to the Browns, they were right not to bench Watson, since it's dangerous for him to to occupy flat wooden surfaces such as benches. A bench is too similar to a massage table. Better to let him run around, play tag with opposing defenders and tire himself out. Last year, Watson's season-ending injury allowed Browns to start Flacco and reach the playoffs. This year it's an even stronger move since Watson had been so historically bad that any able-bodied human with NFL experience is more likely then not to play better then he did in his first 6 starts. Personally, I hope that they give Tim Tebow another chance, so if anyone reading this a vagrant hanging around Browns facilities, please yell out this idea whenever you see Jim Haslam.
Throwing 9 digits of guaranteed money at a QB that was coming off of a year-long suspension was always going to be a massive risk, and I understand that a franchise that has been desparate to return to some kind of relevancy and success will be willing to take on that risk. If Deshawn had actually performed at the level his contract suggested he should, reactions would be very different. There was always going to be a subsection of people cheering his injury due to the assault allegations/payoffs, but it was amplified due to very poor performance. Despite being a Steelers fan, I couldn't be happier to see Chubb back on the field, that injury was horrible looking.
3:00 welp I dont cheer for a man who sexually assaulted 24+ women. I hope watson never sees the field again. he doesn't deserve it hes a despicable person. we all know he shouldn't be in the NFL... karma
@@nickbrown1843 McManus was not "proven innocent" his lawsuit was "resolved" and was not specified if it was a settlement or dismissed. Learn what words mean lmao
I mean, this contract has multiple years left on it. Athletes with ruptured Achilles have less than a year timeline until returning to play. Who's to say he isn't starting QB week 1 next season?
I just feel icky about the players in Cleveland saying people should have empathy/sympathy for Watson. I'm not cheering an injury, but im not feeling sorry for the guy. Where's the empathy for the 20+ women?
I won’t hate on someone for celebrating, I also won’t hate on someone for saying it’s sad to see a player go down like that. Then again, the Jets had a guy leave on a stretcher, that matters more than DW and his personality issues
Cheering after he got hurt was a bit disappointing however you have to understand what the browns fans have been going thru. Watson more than likely played his last snap in Cleveland. Ownership also is a huge factor. They are destroying the team.
Whatever one feels about Watson as a person, his injury, and people's reaction to it, one thing should be crystal clear for everyone: the deal to get him is 1000% on Jimmy Haslam. He wanted DeShaun from the beginning even despite (and maybe because of, depending on what people believe about Haslam as a person in his own right) the many allegations and lawsuits against him, and his hubris and arrogance is the reason Cleveland is paying the price on the field right now. Nothing changes for the Browns until he sells the team.
Between Cleveland, Carolina, and the Jets (yes I said it)....at this point NYG might be the only place Arch Manning will be safe. His family will repeat an Eli Manning draft without even batting an eye. Re: Watson injury fan reaction...this is exactly what they did when Tim Couch got hurt. This isn't even new for them.
The problem is he still gets paid. All of it. I would cheer if the Browns found a loophole. I wouldn't ever cheer for a franchise that chose to give that contract to someone with those moral red flags. But I can't honestly cheer for someone to physically suffer (emotional and financial would be fine)
Browns made a bad business decision trading for Watson. Unfortunately, his final snap as a Brown will be his Achilles. You don't cheer when someone gets hurt it's rude and bad Karma. Watson is a serviceable QB and will land another job probably with the Giants, Patriots, or Jets when they move on from their mistakes.
On top of it all. Myles comes out and makes people mad at hime for no fuckin reason, saying wattson did nothing. Like now our own fans are bashing myles for not doing jack shit for the team😂 I mean I'm a browns fan. And this shits falling apart even tho the best thing that could have happened, has now happened
I don't celebrate injuries as a principle, but I'm not gonna feel bad for him. I think most of those lawsuits were escorts trying to get a check, but there were some actual allegations of assault in a few of the suits as well. I'm also not gonna feel bad for Rashee Rice after he puts dozens of people's lives in danger when he gets injured either.
gonna be honest, as a cleveland fan of 30+ years, im done. NO ONE wanted watson to be here given his off the field antics, but hey needed "an adult at QB" right? We trade the entirety of the teams future for groper cleveland and screw over the ONE QB who actually had talent and wanted to be here? And now i gotta get told im a shitty person for even mildly celebrating this albatross finally possibly screwing off by the dude who nearly murdered someone on field. Screw this organization from top to bottom, if Deshaun Dewapist is your guy, you've lost the plot entirely. I am personally at the point where i would rather lose the team AGAIN, then having this circus shit the bed every sunday while claiming the "moral highground". P.S. I still hope Deshaun heals fast and well, not because he doesnt deserve this, but so he can walk his ass outta here faster. Hopefully he takes the entire front office with him.
"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure." Watson was a bad person, who was brought in with the promise of being a great player. He replaced a good and beloved man, who later became a great player in his own right, in Baker Mayfield (leading the NFL in touchdown passes as of last week btw). Turned out Watson was neither -- he's a bad person who is also, apparently, horrendous at football now. Kevin Stefanski could insist that he gave the team "the best chance to win" but everyone -- including Watson -- knew that was a crock of sh*t. The WR1 left 6 games into the season despite just earning an extension because he knew that Watson was cooked. But the org was insistent that we'd have to suck it up and get used to seeing dEe DuBBa YoU FouWr out there every week. And then the right hand of God stretched down and smited Watson in the heel, and the drunk people in the stands were happy because an injury would force the org's hand. No one at the time knew it was an Achilles, only that Watson couldn't play anymore THAT DAY. Go sue them for being happy in the moment, for kismet aligning with the fanbase's desires **for once,** guys. They never gave M*dell a moment of silence in Cleveland when he passed because they had the foresight to know how it'd end; why did they not foresee that running this loser on the field when NO ONE WANTED HIM THERE would be the same reaction?
As one of Deshauns biggest defenders for three years this season broke me. I cheered in person at the game when he went down. Call me classless call me trash I don’t care. I watched one decision destroy all the hope the fans had for three years, divide one of the best fan bases in the world, listen to constant jokes, and have to hear about another sexual assault case. Idk if he is guilty of what he did off the field, but for people to be like oh no that’s sad don’t boo or cheer for him but like Tom just said he was content watching him suck!? Browns fans don’t deserve that.
Watson was still a better QB than human being. I didn’t cheer for his injury, but the Browns deserve all the misfortune until the Haslams sell the team.
His downfall and the downfall of the Browns was expected. Should have never given him money. Celebrating an injury is questionable behavior even given his personal affairs. There's a lot of different feelings going into those cheers and boos towards the player and the franchise.
fans want to see a winner. fans grow tired of insane prices to attend sporting events for teams that annually disappoint them. add $15 beers to the equation and the idiots let their true feelings out. nobody is shocked here. but to shit on cleveland fans as a whole is unwarranted. the fact that they even show up for decades on end for below subpar football is a testament to their undying love for their football team.
Is there a world where the Browns could literally give another team enough in either draft picks and/or players (Miles Garrett) to take Watson from them? Would you want your team to take him for 3 1st & 3 2nds, or would you need more? As long as you draft well, maybe you could turn into a dynasty AFTER you get him off your books! His cap hit is around 72 MILLION for each of the next two seasons! IDK about after that if it's done or if he is owed even more. I wonder if Cleveland could lock down it's key players for next year, and then just rip the band aid off by putting both years together (144,000,000) cutting everyone they can, and only having minimum wage players at each position? It would give the 1976 Buccaneers a run for worst team ever, but at least it would be over and they'd most likely have the 1st overall pick to go after a new QB in the next draft, when hopefully the QB talent is better.
Personally, I will forever be uncomfortable whenever people celebrate injuries no matter who it is. Although, I do get why the fans reacted this way. It is kinda hard to have sympathy for a guy with 24 sexual assault allegations (And before anyone comes at me with the "He DiDn'T rApE aNyBoDy" shit, believe it or not, rape is not the only form of sexual assault that exists. i genuinely can't believe that has to be said, but anyways). That being said though, I never wanted Watson to get hurt. I wanted him banned from the NFL and thrown in jail. (Also, let's be real. Achilles injuries are fucking *awful* and I don't think anybody deserves to go through that). I think my biggest issue is the hypocrisy of the fans, since many of the people who celebrated his injury are the same ones who defended him after the SA allegations piled up. In fact, the fact that people only turned against Watson *after* he regressed as a player is... very telling of where their priorities lie. Overall... I think this is a case of "everybody sucks here" (the fans suck for celebrating an injury, watson sucks even more for being a creep, the media sucks for portraying watson as a victim and the browns... well they just suck in all sorts of ways)
The part that kinda gets lost in the Watson Ordeal is that the organization basically threw Baker Mayfield under the bus after stabbing him in the back, and now he's currently 4-2, looking like a playoff contender, with a chance to prove himself in Primetime tonight. I genuinely struggle to think of any way this whole thing could have possibly backfired more against Cleveland's front office and ownership
Warning to players. When you sign a Franchise dependent contract and it ends up destroying the franchise 3 number 1's plus all the money. And then you play below average, you are not going to be treated well, this is professional sports. Watson should be done period and he will ride out of town with a big bundle of cash and a destroyed franchise in his wake, so don't look for much sympathy from fans and that might be last chance to tell Watson how fans feel about him. Wouldn't bother me if some ownership and management blew out their knees either.
Eagles fan here. Im not gonna cheer that he got hurt. However....im not gonna vilify those that do, watson is definitely not a good person by any stretch of the imagination and i understand why people are happy.
I never cheer for an injury however this is the one time I feel like it's justified. Deshaun has sexually assaulted how many women now? Nobody is going to feel bad for him.
I mean, he showed no interest in Cleveland until the 11th hour and in process, robbed the Brown's bank. Missed almost 2 years and came back with significantly less twitch and elusiveness and showed lack of interest. On top off all of that, the ongoing fact he still is siphoning $140m over the next two years and more unsettling allegations, it's reasonable to be vocally unhappy/unimpressed. He can't use "playing a game to teach teamwork" as a shield for his work ethic and moral ethic.
This why the browns organization aint gone NEVER BE SHIT, terrible owner, terrible coaching, horrible culture, dumb trades, fan/players civil war, if i was a upcoming qb in the next draft, imma try to pull an eli manning in 04 if them fools pick me
The press is more angry at the fans for cheering a sexual predator getting hurt than they were about the crimes committed by said sexual predator
The Browns knew who they signed when they showed Baker the door. They knew who they were cheering for when he threw his first few touchdowns.
About 80m folks will be trying to elect a sexual predator President in a couple of weeks. For a country stolen from the indigenous people and founded by puritanical immigrants, the US is sure effed up at the moment. Hopefully sanity prevails again and it can keep turning the corner.
Of course they are
sexual predators defending other sexual predators.
"It's a big club, and you ain't in it."
This^
In 999 times out of 1000, it's wrong to laugh at a player's injury. This is the one exception.
Idk about celebrating it, but I sure as hell don’t feel bad for him in the slightest.
this is what i agree with, your not going to feel bad but cheering for it is a bit fucked up
Agree. Instead Browns get media to use psychological tactics to blame the fans as if they don't deserve to have a winning team. If I were a Browns fan I'd throw away the hats, jerseys, etc & never attend nor watch a Browns game again.
What more fucked up. Sexual assault or cheering for an injury? I get having empathy but maybe put that energy towards something else@@genkiwan8949
@@genkiwan8949 Maybe think about it from the perspective of people who have suffered abuse of this kind at some point, or the women he abused. Seeing a predator have karma come back to bite them in the ass when no one else seems to want to punish them for it? Zero issue with that being celebrated. He's getting back what he put into the universe.
Never cheer an injury, but can feel ambivalent to his injury and cheer there being a justification for him to be benched.
"You are sick for cheering Deshaun Watson getting a season-ending injury"
Me and the boys, on our dying beds:
*cough cough*
As a woman, no one can make me feel bad for celebrating the Watson injury. The only thing that made it sweeter was watching him suck and embarrass himself for 2 years before having a season ending injury. It's nice seeing karma actually work sometimes.
To be fair if you go through the lawsuits one by one, I'd say 4 of them are credible allegations of SA and the rest are escorts who knew what they were doing trying to get a check. And those 4 credible allegations should probably be tried in a criminal court.
Seriously, fuck that guy. Going 1-5 is hardly the worst thing this guy has done.
I'm a male sexual assault survivor. I'm with you, sister.
As a male with basic level human empathy I also celebrated. He was unrepentant, and he is rich whether or not he plays another down. We really gonna pity this man?
Bummed he’s going to need a Heisenberg amount of barrels to store his guaranteed money though.
In a world that rarely provides opportunities for justice, it is good when bad things happen to bad people. I’m 100% with the fans on this one.
But bad things do happen to bad people, though - eventually 😂
@WoodyWard and this was the eventually moment for Deshaun.
I have no sympathy for Groper Cleveland. I don't feel joy at his injury and the probable end of his career, but dude settled over two dozen sexual assault allegations and got paid millions still. I get tired of folks telling me I should pity people who do not have basic human morals.
Groper Cleveland is pretty good, I have to give you that.
On top of the fact they ran Baker out of town, and then REFUSED to sign Flacco as a backup because he was a threat to Watson. The Browns deserve all of this
AND -- Baker Mayfield has been MUCH better than Watson (especially in the last season and a half with Tampa Bay), so Cleveland *had* a potential pro-bowler on the roster already.
I don't understand the people saying things like, "Imagine how he feels," as if Watson is known to care about how others feel
People act like his life was threatened? He pulled his Achilles, and he’s been terrible at his job for 3 years, it wasn’t a shot at Deshaun it was a shot at hasslem for guaranteeing his money and saddling the fans with this piss poor product for the last 3 seasons. Ray lewis killed a guy, won a Super Bowl nobody cares, but if you think you can get that kind of money and underproduce? You’re absolutely naive. “It’s someone’s livelihood “
Stfu he ain’t working again ever
I mean I would have preferred a benching but I sure as hell don’t feel horrible he got hurt. Browns fans didn’t trade for him so I feel pretty bad for them
They’re getting Shedeur or Cam Ward out of it. So don’t feel that bad
@@BigBrueser Sheduer will be a bust.
I know y'all mostly focus on the on-field aspects of things, but in this case I think it misses the point. If Watson was just a bad QB who got injured then any fans who cheered the injury would be condemned, as we've seen in the past. The reason this is one of the only times there's been mainstream acceptance of cheering the injury is because this feels karmic in some way due to him having assaulted 20+ women.
His 270 million karma 😂😂
This is where I deviate from the fans. First, all those were alleged, not convicted. Secondly, most of them sound like escorts trying to get a check. I think there are 4 or so that sound like actual assault, and they should probably be adjudicated in criminal court. I think there is enough smoke that there is probably fire, but to say he committed assault 20+ times when he's not been convicted of one is a bit of a spit in the face to the presumption of innocence.
Let's not promote a culture that killed Brian Banks and Shawn Oakman's careers (among many other men's futures) before they even started.
@@Bonesawisready926 If it has to be a choice, I'll take "someone missed out at a chance for several million" over "mover humans victimized due to a culture of victim blaming"
@@Bonesawisready926 Yeah! Clean logic! He only assaulted a FEW women, totally different. The fans are idiots and Watson is a good boy making a mistake over and over and over, after all.
@@DeepRest420 Not what I said at all, but you're emotionally attached to the subject.
Watson broke the cardinal rule of sports criminals, not the crime, but not playing well, if he had taken the browns to the Super Bowl, a bronze statue of him getting a message would be built downtown
Eagles fans want a statue of nick foles. With the exception of 2 years he wasn't that good of a quarterback.
@@cmorris9494Ragles did right with Jaylen Hurts, thats what the Browns should've done with Bajer reguardless of the injury year. Expect look how dumb this franchise has been always doing dumb time after time.
That rule seems to work for presidential candidates as well.
@@cmorris9494 yeah but he got us our first super bowl and thats enough. big dick niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick
I’m a browns fan and have been disgusted by the franchise since the move for watson. I hate to see anyone get hurt. However, this franchise, it’s media and a lot of fans continue to gaslight people for rooting against watson in anyway. I’m disgusted by a lot of football fans like the blind watson lover boys, the nfl, and by wataon himself. Booing someone accused of 25 sexual assault charges should be the least of people’s worries in all this but they have to divert the attention away from how god awful the move from watson has been.
I feel the same way, we should have kept baker.
Its been rouhg as a fan of this team. I've been a fan since I was 5 years old and im 19 now. I wasn't there after the move to baltimore but I've been here for the most part and we finally had a roster that I felt was enough to get us over the hump. Baker got injured and played through it and we traded him after the season. I always thought that was the wrong choice and as an organization who is known for making bad decisions I knew we were getting Deshaun after the Baker trade. Its been downhill since and any goodwill I had for the organization is gone. I feel no sympathy for Deshaun and even was a little happy he got hurt.
As a Steelers fan, I’m just nervous that the browns will have to start a decent QB now
Jameis vs Russ will be a meme fest
Well, that will pass soon, as soon as you remember the most important thing… at the end of the day, we are still Cleveland…
That Qb is at Indianapolis currently
@@Recovery305How they went from a guy that threw 22 interceptions to a guy that throw 30 on different team.
@@kevinerbs2778 With this defense, the team might be good with 40 and 40.
Watson was statistically worse than Brandon Weeden. He was statistically worse than Charlie Frye. Statistically worse than DeShone Kizer, the elderly corpse of Trent Dilfer and the yay-fueled mania of Johnny Manziel. It's borderline impossible for any replacement not to be better than Watson has been this year.
$200 million guaranteed that man doesn't have to work another day in his life. I don't feel bad for anybody making that kind of money. Also injuries like this are part of football, it comes with the territory. I'm not cheering for Watson's injury but I have absolute no sympathy for him.
I think this is the Browns fans finally getting a chance to tell the organization what they think of the trade for Watson.
I just find it funny that football analysts, the NFL entity, and former and current players protect and praise a person who molested and took advantage of women.... But draw the line about fans just vocally booing the guy.
So physically abusing women is cool, verbally booing a guy briefly as he exits the stadium is the bad thing.
The booing or cheering or whatever is so temporary. His bag is guaranteed. All he has to do is go heal in his big mansion for the next year and chill.
People act like he got shot or beat with some kind of weapon.
Football and it's people (players, coaches, and analysts) live in such a bubble world.
They boo'd him during pregame introductions and cheered when he was taken off on the cart... Savage
I live in the Philly area (not an Eagles fan however) and I remember when they hired Michael Vick. The fans hated this pick and thought the Eagles should drop him or try and trade him away...until he started winning them games. Then it went from "That guy is a dog fighter, I don't want to see him wearing my team's jersey" to "He served his time and everyone deserves a second chance" freakishly quickly. I never did and cheered every time he took a hit.
Buddy there ain’t a single person on the face of this Earth that’s gonna make me feel bad for celebrating Deshaun Watson’s injury. He deserves to be in prison, so $230 million and a torn Achilles is way better than he deserves.
I'll bet all of Watson's victims were cheering.
I feel like they were really booing the front office tbh… and after what they did to their fans, I’m not sure I can really blame them 🤷♀️
Forget NFL, this may be the worst trade in any sport, period
The Louisiana purchase was a better deal than this
We're gonna have to deep dive into old-timey handlebar mustache baseball players looking for a worse one
@@MrDhen88too soon
I will never cheer for an injury, ever. That being said, it says a lot about Deshaun Watson that I'm not really willing to condemn the people who have and did.
I celebrated the injury and I'm not wrong. 🤗
People acting like he died lmao
@@markees97 bro, it's insane. I'm like he snapped his wittle achilles and he deserved it and he'll recover just fine. It's not like he'd dead.
Browns fans were criticized for supporting Watson when he arrived. Now we’re demonized for cheering the fact that we’re no longer forced to watch him play. The national media shitting on Cleveland…what else is new.
As a Browns fan, my reaction was very similar to Urinatingtree’s reaction. “Oh no! Anyways.”
Truth is what it is, people have spoken
Ask the 20 plus women he assaulted what their reaction was to Watson's injury
Why feel bad when a bad thing happens to a bad person?
Celebrating someone else's misfortune is rarely dignified, but no sympathy is deserved, that's for sure.
I could care less about that man terrible person making more money than any of us will ever see. Not like it’s a life threatening injury either
The Browns did this to themselves. They won a few games after being the skidmarks for 20 years, and thought that they can just fire football guys like John Dorsey and Alex Van Pelt and trading away a QB in Baker that stopped the revolving door of over 30 starting QB's since 2000 because he played hurt. I'm here for all of this. They deserve for this sure. I used to also defend the fans, but after watching the Stadium cheer Watson's achilles injury, it appears to me that they're deserving of that factory of sadness
If it's wrong then I don't want to be right
As a former Browns fan, I’m not happy he got hurt, but I can empathize with every fan in that stadium for how they reacted. This has been a humiliating failure on all accounts, and the team should completely clean house. But even when they inevitably do, I will never root for the Browns again. Not even winning a Super Bowl will fix this, because I will never forget that I spent my time and money supporting this team - only for that to be flipped into life-changing money for Deshaun Watson and the absolute clowns who brought him to Cleveland.
We don't talk enough about the opportunity cost of this trade. The Browns had a franchise qb and they gave it up to pay a bunch of money to an anchor.
Honestly, this should go down as worse than the Herschel Walker trade. The draft capital alone isn't quite enough. The contract makes it arguable. The horrible PR and fanbase alienation makes it a real debate. The fact that they threw away a capable (and potentially great) QB when they kicked Baker out to replace him with Watson should give the Watson trade the edge. If they had Baker right now, the Browns may well be a true contender, and that makes it the worst trade ever in my eyes.
It's WAY worse than that trade. If Walker had produced he absolutely would have been the missing piece for Minnesota getting a Super Bowl. No question the upside was there. But he didn't. They mortgaged the future on a bet. They got burned. It happens.
The Watson trade though... you bring in a known turd of a human, give him the bag, then expect him to give a flip about anything but his guaranteed money every week. You do so while sending your future elsewhere. If this doesn't work out, you have no fallback. The Vikings had a solid core and could still build off of it. The Browns don't, and they won't have one anytime soon.
It's insane.
@@ObscuraDeCapra The Walker trade is usually held up as the worst trade ever because of the sheer capital MIN forked over, 3 1sts, 3 2nds, a 3rd and a 6th for a 28yr old RB with just one 1k yard rushing season. Every trade is a gamble, this one just had horrible odds of being worth it for MIN and ultimately ending up wasting their core, allowing the Cowboys to rise as the next dynasty after SF was finished instead of MIN.
Cleveland gave up less picks for a younger player with a better track record of success at a more important position. The contract, PR nightmare, and Baker's success elsewhere are where this trade goes off the rails.
Couldnt the browns also have kept flacco, or hell when he was available draft CJ stroud?
seems the browns' bad decision turned out to be a great decision for the texans and the bucs. 😄
Booing Watson for getting injured was really unfair considering that a season-ending injury is his strongest move. To be fair to the Browns, they were right not to bench Watson, since it's dangerous for him to to occupy flat wooden surfaces such as benches. A bench is too similar to a massage table. Better to let him run around, play tag with opposing defenders and tire himself out.
Last year, Watson's season-ending injury allowed Browns to start Flacco and reach the playoffs. This year it's an even stronger move since Watson had been so historically bad that any able-bodied human with NFL experience is more likely then not to play better then he did in his first 6 starts. Personally, I hope that they give Tim Tebow another chance, so if anyone reading this a vagrant hanging around Browns facilities, please yell out this idea whenever you see Jim Haslam.
Throwing 9 digits of guaranteed money at a QB that was coming off of a year-long suspension was always going to be a massive risk, and I understand that a franchise that has been desparate to return to some kind of relevancy and success will be willing to take on that risk.
If Deshawn had actually performed at the level his contract suggested he should, reactions would be very different. There was always going to be a subsection of people cheering his injury due to the assault allegations/payoffs, but it was amplified due to very poor performance.
Despite being a Steelers fan, I couldn't be happier to see Chubb back on the field, that injury was horrible looking.
3:00 welp I dont cheer for a man who sexually assaulted 24+ women. I hope watson never sees the field again. he doesn't deserve it hes a despicable person. we all know he shouldn't be in the NFL... karma
26 sexual assault allegations. No sympathy from me.
All fake
Allegations? So basically nothing or is there actual proof?
@@davidgreen3001 he settled them all in court, so he paid them to go away
@@coldgrumpytree5441 ew, maybe don’t defend a sexual predator
@@coldgrumpytree5441 lol, defending a predator, nice
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
Literally any other player, even the Packers new kicker, I'd feel bad for them.. but Watson is a criminal who's escaped justice and been rewarded.
Packers new kicker was proven innocent
@@nickbrown1843 McManus was not "proven innocent" his lawsuit was "resolved" and was not specified if it was a settlement or dismissed. Learn what words mean lmao
Trade for Joe Flacco
Cleveland doesn't deserve Flacco
I mean, this contract has multiple years left on it. Athletes with ruptured Achilles have less than a year timeline until returning to play. Who's to say he isn't starting QB week 1 next season?
You should never celebrate someone being injured.
BUT you don't have to feel bad that someone gets injured.
His contract is going to kill that team. Horrible! How’s Baker Mayfield looking now? Too many owners thinking they know talent evaluation.
I just feel icky about the players in Cleveland saying people should have empathy/sympathy for Watson. I'm not cheering an injury, but im not feeling sorry for the guy. Where's the empathy for the 20+ women?
Him getting hurt destroyed the franchise…. It’s a tough business and they don’t have to play
Jags fans got it right with their special chant for him last year
I won’t hate on someone for celebrating, I also won’t hate on someone for saying it’s sad to see a player go down like that.
Then again, the Jets had a guy leave on a stretcher, that matters more than DW and his personality issues
7:00 damn Perna spitting facts
Perna says draft a qb so easily. I feel sorry for the guy who has to play for some of these teams. It can be brutal.
If he was playing well they wouldn't be celebrating.
No they are not wrong
Cheering after he got hurt was a bit disappointing however you have to understand what the browns fans have been going thru. Watson more than likely played his last snap in Cleveland. Ownership also is a huge factor. They are destroying the team.
The fans were booing, Watson, the front office as well as ownership. The backups are not the answer, either. The Watson deal destroyed this team.
Listen, I'm not saying I'm cheering, but there's a whole lot of catharsis
Whatever one feels about Watson as a person, his injury, and people's reaction to it, one thing should be crystal clear for everyone: the deal to get him is 1000% on Jimmy Haslam. He wanted DeShaun from the beginning even despite (and maybe because of, depending on what people believe about Haslam as a person in his own right) the many allegations and lawsuits against him, and his hubris and arrogance is the reason Cleveland is paying the price on the field right now. Nothing changes for the Browns until he sells the team.
The Factory of Sadness running 24/7 quadruple shifts.
I would like to thank Cleveland for taking the heat off my Vikings for the Watson trade, forever replacing the Hershel Walker trade!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Helps that Walker (though not perfect) is not an absolute piece of garbage.
Between Cleveland, Carolina, and the Jets (yes I said it)....at this point NYG might be the only place Arch Manning will be safe. His family will repeat an Eli Manning draft without even batting an eye.
Re: Watson injury fan reaction...this is exactly what they did when Tim Couch got hurt. This isn't even new for them.
Browns fans have been celebrating QB injuries since 2000
Celebrating when bad things happen to bad people isn’t bad.
The problem is he still gets paid. All of it. I would cheer if the Browns found a loophole. I wouldn't ever cheer for a franchise that chose to give that contract to someone with those moral red flags. But I can't honestly cheer for someone to physically suffer (emotional and financial would be fine)
If the Watson unjury were a presidential candidate, it would sweep the electoral college.
Life as a Browns fan is like having a slow lobotomy
No one should celebrate an injury.
Too bad, many of us did, and none of us feel bad about it. Cope
The answer is no. It doesn’t make you a bad person.
Browns made a bad business decision trading for Watson. Unfortunately, his final snap as a Brown will be his Achilles. You don't cheer when someone gets hurt it's rude and bad Karma. Watson is a serviceable QB and will land another job probably with the Giants, Patriots, or Jets when they move on from their mistakes.
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On top of it all. Myles comes out and makes people mad at hime for no fuckin reason, saying wattson did nothing. Like now our own fans are bashing myles for not doing jack shit for the team😂 I mean I'm a browns fan. And this shits falling apart even tho the best thing that could have happened, has now happened
If it were most regular and honorable athletes, I would say it's wrong.
DeShaun Watson is neither regular nor honorable.
I don't celebrate injuries as a principle, but I'm not gonna feel bad for him. I think most of those lawsuits were escorts trying to get a check, but there were some actual allegations of assault in a few of the suits as well. I'm also not gonna feel bad for Rashee Rice after he puts dozens of people's lives in danger when he gets injured either.
gonna be honest, as a cleveland fan of 30+ years, im done. NO ONE wanted watson to be here given his off the field antics, but hey needed "an adult at QB" right? We trade the entirety of the teams future for groper cleveland and screw over the ONE QB who actually had talent and wanted to be here? And now i gotta get told im a shitty person for even mildly celebrating this albatross finally possibly screwing off by the dude who nearly murdered someone on field. Screw this organization from top to bottom, if Deshaun Dewapist is your guy, you've lost the plot entirely. I am personally at the point where i would rather lose the team AGAIN, then having this circus shit the bed every sunday while claiming the "moral highground".
P.S. I still hope Deshaun heals fast and well, not because he doesnt deserve this, but so he can walk his ass outta here faster. Hopefully he takes the entire front office with him.
Maybe celebrating is too far but there is absolutely zero sympathy for Deshaun getting hurt
That's kinda where I am. I would not like to see any person get hurt, but there are people I would have less sympathy for than others
"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."
Watson was a bad person, who was brought in with the promise of being a great player. He replaced a good and beloved man, who later became a great player in his own right, in Baker Mayfield (leading the NFL in touchdown passes as of last week btw).
Turned out Watson was neither -- he's a bad person who is also, apparently, horrendous at football now. Kevin Stefanski could insist that he gave the team "the best chance to win" but everyone -- including Watson -- knew that was a crock of sh*t. The WR1 left 6 games into the season despite just earning an extension because he knew that Watson was cooked. But the org was insistent that we'd have to suck it up and get used to seeing dEe DuBBa YoU FouWr out there every week.
And then the right hand of God stretched down and smited Watson in the heel, and the drunk people in the stands were happy because an injury would force the org's hand. No one at the time knew it was an Achilles, only that Watson couldn't play anymore THAT DAY. Go sue them for being happy in the moment, for kismet aligning with the fanbase's desires **for once,** guys. They never gave M*dell a moment of silence in Cleveland when he passed because they had the foresight to know how it'd end; why did they not foresee that running this loser on the field when NO ONE WANTED HIM THERE would be the same reaction?
As one of Deshauns biggest defenders for three years this season broke me. I cheered in person at the game when he went down. Call me classless call me trash I don’t care. I watched one decision destroy all the hope the fans had for three years, divide one of the best fan bases in the world, listen to constant jokes, and have to hear about another sexual assault case. Idk if he is guilty of what he did off the field, but for people to be like oh no that’s sad don’t boo or cheer for him but like Tom just said he was content watching him suck!? Browns fans don’t deserve that.
all this could have been avoided if they’d just benched him…
Watson was still a better QB than human being. I didn’t cheer for his injury, but the Browns deserve all the misfortune until the Haslams sell the team.
His downfall and the downfall of the Browns was expected. Should have never given him money. Celebrating an injury is questionable behavior even given his personal affairs. There's a lot of different feelings going into those cheers and boos towards the player and the franchise.
Wait, do you guys both say "Ah-keelez" for Achilles? Did you actually meet on some weird Trojan War reenactment site?
I don’t know how Berry still has a job. He destroyed the team.
They will have to make the physical therapists were body-cams for safety.
His medical team should be staffed entirely by guys built like linebackers or defensive tackles.
fans want to see a winner. fans grow tired of insane prices to attend sporting events for teams that annually disappoint them. add $15 beers to the equation and the idiots let their true feelings out. nobody is shocked here. but to shit on cleveland fans as a whole is unwarranted. the fact that they even show up for decades on end for below subpar football is a testament to their undying love for their football team.
Celebrate an injury? No. However, do I believe in karma, absolutely.
It is dilutional to be making claims he did everything right, even if they want to try and only look at what happens on field and locker room.
Is there a world where the Browns could literally give another team enough in either draft picks and/or players (Miles Garrett) to take Watson from them?
Would you want your team to take him for 3 1st & 3 2nds, or would you need more? As long as you draft well, maybe you could turn into a dynasty AFTER you get him off your books! His cap hit is around 72 MILLION for each of the next two seasons! IDK about after that if it's done or if he is owed even more.
I wonder if Cleveland could lock down it's key players for next year, and then just rip the band aid off by putting both years together (144,000,000) cutting everyone they can, and only having minimum wage players at each position? It would give the 1976 Buccaneers a run for worst team ever, but at least it would be over and they'd most likely have the 1st overall pick to go after a new QB in the next draft, when hopefully the QB talent is better.
Personally, I will forever be uncomfortable whenever people celebrate injuries no matter who it is. Although, I do get why the fans reacted this way. It is kinda hard to have sympathy for a guy with 24 sexual assault allegations (And before anyone comes at me with the "He DiDn'T rApE aNyBoDy" shit, believe it or not, rape is not the only form of sexual assault that exists. i genuinely can't believe that has to be said, but anyways). That being said though, I never wanted Watson to get hurt. I wanted him banned from the NFL and thrown in jail.
(Also, let's be real. Achilles injuries are fucking *awful* and I don't think anybody deserves to go through that).
I think my biggest issue is the hypocrisy of the fans, since many of the people who celebrated his injury are the same ones who defended him after the SA allegations piled up. In fact, the fact that people only turned against Watson *after* he regressed as a player is... very telling of where their priorities lie.
Overall... I think this is a case of "everybody sucks here" (the fans suck for celebrating an injury, watson sucks even more for being a creep, the media sucks for portraying watson as a victim and the browns... well they just suck in all sorts of ways)
The part that kinda gets lost in the Watson Ordeal is that the organization basically threw Baker Mayfield under the bus after stabbing him in the back, and now he's currently 4-2, looking like a playoff contender, with a chance to prove himself in Primetime tonight. I genuinely struggle to think of any way this whole thing could have possibly backfired more against Cleveland's front office and ownership
I think the fans are just cheering the Browns for being the Browns we used to love.
Warning to players. When you sign a Franchise dependent contract and it ends up destroying the franchise 3 number 1's plus all the money. And then you play below average, you are not going to be treated well, this is professional sports. Watson should be done period and he will ride out of town with a big bundle of cash and a destroyed franchise in his wake, so don't look for much sympathy from fans and that might be last chance to tell Watson how fans feel about him. Wouldn't bother me if some ownership and management blew out their knees either.
Eagles fan here.
Im not gonna cheer that he got hurt.
However....im not gonna vilify those that do, watson is definitely not a good person by any stretch of the imagination and i understand why people are happy.
If the Lions win it all this year I think it’s time for them to give up the crown of most tortured fanbase to the Browns
They can't give up what they never had, much less to the fanbase that's been wearing it seemingly forever.
I never cheer for an injury however this is the one time I feel like it's justified. Deshaun has sexually assaulted how many women now? Nobody is going to feel bad for him.
I mean, he showed no interest in Cleveland until the 11th hour and in process, robbed the Brown's bank. Missed almost 2 years and came back with significantly less twitch and elusiveness and showed lack of interest. On top off all of that, the ongoing fact he still is siphoning $140m over the next two years and more unsettling allegations, it's reasonable to be vocally unhappy/unimpressed. He can't use "playing a game to teach teamwork" as a shield for his work ethic and moral ethic.
Can Chubb be a Denver Bronco
Watson is a predator, not a person, and should be treated as such.
This why the browns organization aint gone NEVER BE SHIT, terrible owner, terrible coaching, horrible culture, dumb trades, fan/players civil war, if i was a upcoming qb in the next draft, imma try to pull an eli manning in 04 if them fools pick me