When the Adventists and the JW's go to a funeral, they only see a dead body and they say, that is all there was. They are like the carnal Atheists who believe and say the same thing. . Like rich man's brothers (Luke 16:19-31) , they only saw their brother's dead body and knew not that he was judged immediately after his death, and his soul went to Hades and was tormented "in this flame" . The Adventist's deny Christ very words and teach the exact opposite of Christ. Moreover, they have made it their mission to tell the whole world they won't be judged immediately after death and the wicked have nothing to fear nor the righteous to have no reward. The Adventists do the same carnal reasoning with the scriptures regarding Sodom and Gomorrah, they say, "see, they just died" and went to soul sleep. They say were not punished afterwards, exactly like the Atheists and the carnal minded, who only see with their fleshly minds and not as Christ who is God sees it and taught it. The Adventists and the cults seize upon every place in the Old Testament where the destruction of the wicked is promised on a physical level and then say it mean annihilation, just as the rich man's brothers did not know of the torment of the wicked themselves. In this respect, they are just like the Atheists. While every reader of the Old Testament scripture and prophet who wrote them were NOT annihilationist at all. Just as the author did not believe in annihilation of the wicked so the reader did not as well. They knew that when God had destroyed the wicked in the flood or Sodom and Gomorrah, God had intervened in human affairs to send those wicked directly to hades to be tormented because there was not so much as to be an allotted time to repent. This is thoroughly and explicitly shown in the teaching of Christ that "Moses and the Prophets" (that includes every verse of the entire Old Testament) had taught the torment of the wicked immediately after the death of body. And this is not concealed at all in the Old Testament. *Therefore, all those who use the Old Testament scriptures to support conditional immortality are condemned by Christ.* Because Christ taught the Old Testament taught the exact opposite of conditional immortality. Isaiah 34:9-11 is no different which parallel to Rev.14:9-11. In both cases the scripture proclaims the torment of the wicked, and picture which is painted is that of unending torment. And, like the carnal flesh which only sees with is fleshly eyes, it does not have the mind of God to see with HIS eyes, even though he is told. And, therefore, he cannot see nor understand the scripture. So, it was with the story of the rich man and his brothers, who knew not that his brother was being "tormented in this flame" . So, the rich man wanted to send someone back to his brothers to warn them. But what says the scripture, "THEY HAVE MOSES AND THE PROPHETS TO WARN THEM, LET THEM HEAR THEM" but, like the Adventists, they don't not believe either! So then, the scripture says as if speaking of the Adventist, "NEITHER WOULD THEY BELIEVE THAT IF ONE CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD TO WARN THEM" . And so it is with the carnal and stubborn foolhardy Adventists under their false prophet. Nonetheless, In Luke 16:16-31 Christ makes it very plain that NOT ONE SCRIPTURE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT REMOTELY TEACHES THE NON-EXISTENCE OF THE SOUL OR SOUL SLEEP FOR THE WICKED BUT TORMENT DAY AND NIGHT. Likewise, the carnal minded Adventist seize upon every place where the destruction of the wicked off the earth is spoken of when it speaks of the person's body and not their soul. Yet every reader of the Old Testament truly understood that that was not the end of the punishment for the wicked and that their soul continued to be punished. But, the fleshly minded Adventists only see what is visible to them and not believing God or Christ about the torment of the soul of the wicked immediately after death as Christ and the Apostles taught. The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's are just like the Atheists and the rich man's 5 brothers of Luke 16:19-31!! They ONLY saw that he was physically dead and knew NOTHING of his UNSEEN TORMENT IN THE FLAME. Therefore, like the carnal minded The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's refuse to hear Christ's words about the unseen torment of the rich man in Hades. Because they can only see with the flesh even when Christ warns them of what will happen to them also after death. The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's refuse to believe. Thus, Christ answer them, "Neither would they believe even if someone came from the dead to warn them. And so it is with these fools. In Revelation 14:9-11, we are told that anyone who worships the beast and receives his mark “will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. "The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's and all the wicked preach that no one will suffer* *torment forever and ever* A complete denial of the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. And they do so because they have been taught that the true Christ is "Satan" , while it is Satan himself, that leads them to deny the explicit words of scripture. And, because they disbelieve the scripture, they FIGHT against Christ and his Church, as an agent of the Wicked One. And what do you suppose the beast is telling the wicked who worships them? That if they do, they will be tormented forever and ever? Who would then follow them? The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's will believe the beast when He tells them there is no HELL AND NO TORMENT, THEY ALREADY HAVE BELIEVED AND FOLLOWED THAT GREAT FALSE TEACHING. Then what do The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's and the wicked do? They call Christ "Satan, a Monster, a Tyrant" because they have been taught by a false prophet to hate the just and righteous punishments of Christ upon the wicked. The carnal mind only sees what is fleshly and not as Christ and the Church taught. Adventism is fully carnal. When they see the wicked die, they only see the death of the body and not the torment of the soul. This is exactly what happened to the rich man in Luke 16:19-31. Any 3rd grader can read the story and see the end of the matter, but not an Adventists, because they have been WILFULLY blinded by their carnal mind and Ellen G. White. Like Sodom and Gomorrah, the people in Edom are still burning and in torment. That is what Christ, and the Apostles taught. The Adventists are so carnal you can only see what is earthly. You are fully prepared to go to hell yourselves for corrupting the gospel of Christ and the Apostles and charming the wicked. You all have sent all your followers to hell and many more millions who did not repent with your Atheistic gospel of soul sleep and annihilationism. Get ready, because except you repent, you will find yourself there shortly. Why do the Adventists and their like, so despise the eternal punishment? Because they know they are evil and rather than repent of their evil, they find it much easier to deny the explicit teachings of Christ and Christ Himself, than to repent. A righteous man does not fear the just punishments of God. One day, the Adventist will be like the rich man in Luke 16 wishing you could send someone back from the dead to warn your brothers “Lest they come to this place of torment” where they are!! It’s happened MILLIONS of times already to Adventists!
I have never been able to believe in my heart that God has decided the punishment for sin is to be tortured or punished for all of eternity to come. Hard to believe that 16 years or so of sin deserves that.
@Todd Jackson I am a christian. I find it hard to believe that the average person actually chooses eternal torment. If they truly were given that choice and fully comprehended the implications of their choice - then fair enough.
Maybe part of the reason that you, as a Christian, have a hard time with the idea is because you like to be rationally consistent and there is no Scriptural support for what was claimed in the video.
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s This Scripture does not speak to the question of eternal conscious torment. Some people view Donald Trump with shame and contempt. Others view Joe Biden with shame and contempt. Neither of them is suffering eternal conscious torment. If you know a better Scripture on the subject, however, I will prayerfully consider it.
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s P. S. You may find this interesting. _"In ancient Israel, the manner in which someone dies is considered either a good or bad death. Good death would consist of dying in old age, dying in peace, martyrdom, and being buried with your family, just to name a few. Examples of a bad death would be a death that is premature, violent, shameful, leaving no heirs, being cremated, or not receiving a proper burial. In an honor and shame culture like Israel was, the manner in which you died would remain with your name and, therefore, categorize the deceased in either an honorable or shameful fashion."_ (source: Answers in Hell)
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s P. P. S. *Contempt* - the original Hebrew word is "deraon." The same word appears in Isaiah 66: 24 where it is used in reference to dead bodies.
@@josephcollins7393 I am not a JW. I presented a verse that supports my view, I’ll be happy to consider the Scripture you use to support yours....can you share those Scripture references? Shalom.
@@walkitoff117 And what is the promised gift? Isn't it eternal "life". This "life" isn't qualified by adding "in paradise" or some other state, it promises we shall be alive forever. To suffer in hell eternally, doesn't that preclude that one will be alive forever. Therefore, shall the damned also be granted eternal life?
Hell is never taught to be a torture chamber. Hell is eternal conscious punishment. See the following articles… www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/ www.equip.org/articles/abandon-hope-all-ye-who-enter-here/ www.equip.org/bible_answers/are-there-degrees-of-punishment-in-hell-/ www.equip.org/article/the-justice-of-hell/
Once again, we see those promoting Eternal Conscious Torment using little or no scripture to support their position. They start with the assumption that E.C.T. is true. (After all, "the majority" in tradition have believed this.) They start with the assumption that immortality is inherent in humans. They start with the assumption that as long as a human exist in an eternal state they will simply continue to sin. And all the while making these assumptions with zero scripture to back it up.
I’m having a really hard time finding any scriptural support for the numerous claims that were just made in this response. And notice that the main justification for “is it fair” was a claim the every soul will live forever (because of the image of God, presumably). But Scripture clearly teaches that the condition for immortality is the gift of Christ given to the faithful. Then he said that the entire image of God would be gone in the hell-bound person… then wouldn’t the life of the person be entirely gone?
@evanvansickle3779 God never snuffs out the crowning jewels of His creation. It is really then the person who despises and rages against God whom ends in eternal damnation. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-annihilationism-biblical/ www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/ www.equip.org/articles/the-justice-of-hell/ and www.equip.org/articles/in-defense-of-the-churchs-traditional-doctrine-of-hell/
I understand what Even is saying.nthat is what I was trying to say.bthe guy you had on your show said that that image would be gone and that seems to be he was saying that the part that makes you you would be gone. I don't agree with that and I understand why this person and others are confused. This guy's needs to explain that better.
You are absolutely right, Evan. The Bible nowhere promises eternal life to unbelievers. This is what it says, plainly and often: ✴ _He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see (everlasting) life; (John 3: 36a; KJV)
@@BibleAnswerMan Again, I don’t think that claim is supported in Scripture. Would you agree that Sodom and Gomorrah were filled with people who were made in the image of God, and yet God snuffed out these cities as an example of final judgment?
Not advocating this: That’s why Reincarnation is believed by many. Keep coming back until you get it right. Could that be a punishment. Also it’s probably why Purgatory is believed by many.
I would love to believe in this doctrine i have really made a mess of my life heart and soul, the chance to go back and right all my wrongs would be amazing
This makes exactly no sense. First off, there are flaming swords to make sure that nobody would eat of the Tree of Life and live forever in sin. But you're saying yes, you do. Whether sinful or righteous, everybody apparently lives forever. And if I count the number of times that "Jesus" (not his actual name) said "Believe on me because of hell" it's just about never. He told ONE guy, one Jewish dude in the middle of the night "shall not perish, but have everlasting life." Well that says to me that some folks are gonna perish. But he only told this one guy that. But it's the key verse that Christians like to trot out. What about the ONE GUY he told to sell everything and then come follow. I don't see you guys liquidating shite to follow Jesus. Oh, but he only told that to one guy so it's not universal. Well, then what he told one JEWISH guy isn't universal either. Do you see the trap you're setting for yourself? "God doesn't send anyone to tell. They send themselves" is pee-poor rational from a so-called loving compassionate forgiveness-driven people. The mental gymnastics you have to perform makes MY back hurt.
@jenna2431 Exactly. If "god" has already predetermined everyone's lives, then he is creating people KNOWING he will be sending them to hell. Not very "loving" or "forgiving" if you ask me.
@IsaacNussbaum Not necessarily. A person is reprehensible for celebrating in the evil done by others. To celebrate when justice is served in a good thing. Why is God faulted for hell? See www.equip.org/articles/the-justice-of-hell/ www.equip.org/articles/how-dantes-inferno-can-explain-hell-to-modern-seekers/ www.equip.org/articles/in-defense-of-the-churchs-traditional-doctrine-of-hell/ www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/
@@BibleAnswerMan People have a choice between a "god" who tortures forever or the God of the Bible who does not. That they chose the former over the latter is revealing, in my view.
The traditional hell is consistent with divine love. Christ never kidnaps us and holds us against our will in His heavenly palace, even if the accommodations are nice. Like the bird in a gilded cage. There is no love in that situation. So, Christ says to those who reject His calls, “Thy will be done.” Of course, those in the present moment can still pray to God, “Not my will, but Thy will be done.” See the following articles… www.equip.org/articles/why-should-i-believe-in-hell-/ www.equip.org/articles/in-defense-of-the-churchs-traditional-doctrine-of-hell/ www.equip.org/articles/the-justice-of-hell/
Most of the early church fathers taught no such thing: "Christ saves all men. Some he converts by penalties, others who follow Him of their own will ... that every knee may be bent to Him, of those in heaven, on earth, and under the earth" [Isa. 45:22-23, Rom. 14:11, Phil. 2:10-11, Rev. 5:13] -- *Clement of Alexandria,* _Commentary on 1 John_ "When death shall no longer exist, nor the sting of death, nor any evil at all, then, verily, God will be All in all" [1 Cor. 15:28,55] -- *Origen,* _De Principiis 3:6.3_ "What else does 'until the times of universal restoration' signify to us, if not the aeon to come, in which all beings must receive their perfect restoration?" [Acts 3:21] -- *Eusebius,* leading historian of the early church, _Contra Marcellum __2:4:11_ "A few drops of blood renew the whole world, and become for all men that which rennet is for milk, uniting and drawing us into one." [Col. 1:15-20] -- *Gregory Nazianzus,* _Oration 42_ "Christ captured over again the souls captured by the devil, for that He promised in saying, 'I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto Me.'" [John 12:32, 1 Peter 3:19-20, 4:6, Psalm 68:18, Eph. 4:8-10, and maybe Matt. 12:29] -- *Athanasius,* _Expositions on the Psalms, 68.18_ "The peace [coming] from the Lord is coextensive with all time [eternity]. For all things shall be subject to him, and all things shall acknowledge his empire; and when God shall be all in all, those who now excite discords by revolts, having been quite pacified, [all things] shall praise God in peaceful concord." [Psalm 145:10a, 1 Cor. 15:28, Rev. 5:13] -- *Basil,* _Commentary on Isaiah 9:6_ "So the Son of Man came to save that which was lost, i.e., all, for as in Adam all die, so, too, in Christ shall all be made alive." [Luke 19:10, 1 Cor. 15:22] -- *Ambrose,* _Exposition on the Gospel of Luke 15.3_ "For the wicked there are punishments not perpetual, ... but they are to be tormented for a certain brief period, according to the amount of malice in their works. They shall therefore suffer punishment for a short space, but immortal blessedness, having no end, awaits them; ... the penalties to be inflicted for their many and grave crimes are very far surpassed by the magnitude of the mercy to be showed them. The resurrection, therefore, is regarded as a blessing, not only to the good, but also to the evil." [Isa. 57:16], *Diodore,* _De Oecon_ "Some among the wise and learned … have alluded to this in an enigmatic way, by adducing that God is not only just, but also merciful, and that it becomes the One who judges with justice to have sinners suffer in a measure that is proportional to their sins and then make them worthy of blessedness." -- *Theodore,* _Liber Scholiorum, 2:63_ "'All the kings of the earth shall adore him.' Some, indeed, in the present life willingly, but all the rest after the Resurrection; for not yet do we see all things subject to him, but then every knee shall bow to him." [The "kings of the earth" are rebellious unbelievers in Rev. 6:15, 17:2,18, 18:3,9, 19:19,21 ... but check out what happens in Rev. 21:24-27!] -- *Theodoret,* _On Psalm 72:11_ "Death shall come as a visitor to the impious; it will not be perpetual; it will not annihilate them; but will prolong its visit, till the impiety which is in them shall be consumed." [Matt. 5:26] -- *Jerome,* _On Micah 5:8_ "After the complete abolition of sin, praise shall be sung to God; which praise contain (implies) our being incapable of turning to sin ... when every created being shall be harmonized into one choir ... and when, like a cymbal, the reasonable creation, and that which is now severed by sin ... shall pour forth a pleasing strain, due to mutual harmony. Then comes the praise of every spirit for ever abounding with increase unto eternity." [Psalm 150] -- *Gregory of Nyssa,* _On Psalms, Tract 1, ch. 9_ Other church fathers who believed in eventual universal salvation include *Asterius, Bardaisan, Cyril of Alexandria, Didymus the Blind, Dionysius, Ephrem the Syrian, Gennadius, Hilary, John Cassian, John Chrysostom, Marcellus, Maximus the Confessor, Maximus of Turin, Methodius, Paulinus, Proclus, Titus of Basra & Victorinus.* Sources: Thomas Allin, _Christ Triumphant,_ Annotated by Robin Parry edition, chapters 4-5, 1905 & Ilaria Ramelli, _A Larger Hope?, Volume 1: Universal Salvation from Christian Beginnings to Julian of Norwich,_ 2019
Eternal torture for a finite crime is unfair, a lot of Christians say you choose hell but that’s not the case. Just because you don’t want god that doesn’t mean you don’t want love. To say there’s no love without god is to say anyone who doesn’t believe in god or love god doesn’t really love their family. The bible doesn’t support the idea if you go to hell you don’t feel love anymore.
@thewhynotgamer842 It is not the time it takes to do the crime that determines the severity of the punishment. Such is never the case. A burglar can take months stealing millions of dollars of valuables from breaking and entering homes, but the penalty for those crimes will be relatively less severe than the shooter who enters into a school and within seconds murders ten students. The latter will be far more than the former, though the former would take substantially longer to commit. The problem is not people yearning for love, it is despising the source of the true love, i.e., God. See www.equip.org/articles/the-justice-of-hell/
@andrettanylund830 No. Hell is eternal conscious punishment. See www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/ and www.equip.org/articles/in-defense-of-the-churchs-traditional-doctrine-of-hell/
Yes. I believe it is eternal conscious punishment but the guy you had on said what makes them themselves ceases. That was confusing to me. I don't believe in ceasings to exist but what he said I had never heard before
I would never want someone I love be separated from me for eternity or be punished for eternity but something I learned from going thru someone close to he being a drug addict that no matter how much love I poured upon her and how much I pursued her or loved her she wanted nothing to do with me. She even hated me even though I loved her and reached out to her. Thank God she got help but if that would have continued not even my love for her would have brought her back to me so that is how I see people rejecting God's love and choosing hell because what she chose was hell. Hell is eternal but not because God isn't loving
*"I believe it is eternal conscious punishment...."* In your view, who is going to be subjected to eternal conscious torment? Your barber/hairdresser, the mail carrier, your doctor, the librarian, your Sunday/Sabbath school teacher, the night stock clerk at the supermarket . . . who else?
Hello Frank, I write from Paris, France... I hope my translation of the excerpt I give here is not too bad, because my English is limited... As Saint Nicholas Kabasilas writes in "The Life in Christ" : "And if those who are taken by the future life are devoid of the faculties and senses necessary for that existence, that future life will not be able to bring anything more for their happiness: they will inhabit this blessed and immortal world like dead and miserable" ... God Bless you Brother...
Amen. This life we live now is important. We do not sin however we want thinking that we will ultimately be saved by a prayer formula or last-minute rituals like baptism or profession of faith. Saint Isaac of Syria write himself, "Those who burn in hell are burnt by the fire of God's love."
Edward Fudge didn’t believe people just cease to exist. He believed what scripture said about the fate of the wicked. That they will perish, die, be destroyed, be turned to ashes etc. “if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction (tephroo - literally means to be reduced to ashes), making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;” 2 Peter 2:6 ““For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.” Malachi 4:1, 3
If the challenge is beyond a red herring but a sincere quest for truth, do spend time in really grappling with this response from Lawrence Farley > blogs.ancientfaith.com/nootherfoundation/david-bentley-harts-that-all-shall-be-saved-a-review-and-rejoinder/ Also check out Farley’s Unquenchable Fire: The Traditional Christian Teaching about Hell by Lawrence R. Farley > www.equip.org/product/unquenchable-fire-the-traditional-christian-teaching-about-hell/ Blessings
Everyone will say it is fair....even if it is not. Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Even the damned will say it is just.
Adam the originator of disobedience and sin, had no such possibility of a hellish destination in his future. Only the rest of his prodigy does....now that doesn't even make good nonsense
@deanfloyd893 Appreciate the perspective. Check out Hank's articles on salvation of OT saints 1www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-were-people-who-lived-before-the-time-of-christ-saved/ and www.equip.org/bible_answers/will-adam-eve-receive-brand-new-bodies-eternity/
No. Hell is eternal conscious punishment. See www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/ and www.equip.org/articles/in-defense-of-the-churchs-traditional-doctrine-of-hell/
Amen! Thanks for sharing brother! I love you man! You are a blessing! Im praying for you, your family and everyone! I am watching and expecting for the rapture/event to happen sometime in the next week after the new moon on July 10th 2021 and during the crescent moon. A few brothers and sisters have had rapture dreams with a new/dark moon or a crescent moon including "Kim Fisher" , "Holly2moons" , and "Eagle eye" on UA-cam. If we are still here past July 15th next week then I will be watching and expecting for the rapture/event to happen during Tisha'B'Av (9th of Av - Jewish holiday of mourning) on July 16th-18th 2021. If we are still here past July 18th then I will be watching and expecting for the rapture to happen during Tu'B'Av (Jewish holiday of love) on the Gregorian calendar (July 22nd - 24th 2021) and during the full moon. July 23rd 2021 is: - 500 days from the start of the Coronavirus pandemic on March 11th 2020 - 200 weeks (1400 days) from the Revelation 12 sign on September 23rd 2017 - 311 days from the signing of the Abraham Accord peace deal agreement on September 15th 2020 About 4000 rockets were fired at Israel from May 9th until May 21st 2021 when they enacted a unilateral truce between Israel and the Palestinians. They are now proclaiming "Peace and safety", in 1:Thessalonians 5:3 it says "For when they shall say, peace and safety, the sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape". I believe it may be a 40 - 70 day delay/grace period. I really can't see us being here past July 2021, the first reason is because the U.S.A home eviction notices will expire at the end of July and 25 - 40 million Americans will be homeless because they are unable to pay rent since the beginning of the pandemic last year. (It was originally set to expire in the end of June, it has just been announced that it will be extended until the end of July). The second reason is because the next school semester starts in August/September and it has been said that they will make it a requirement for children to take the vax to attend school. I believe that 2021 is the year of the rapture because of the pandemic and near mandatory vax/jab and a sister had a dream that the rapture happened right after they made the vax/jab mandatory, also on my channel there was a video of a sister that had a vision of the rapture/event and she said that it will happen before 2022. UA-cam permanently deleted my main channel on June 13th with no warning, and I haven't posted a video since January! I take that as a sign that we are living in the final moments before the rapture/event! I give full glory to God for this comment because I have been praying everyday for God to reveal this information to me so that I can share it with everyone. We will not experience any pain during the rapture/event. See you in heaven! Pray and repent of your sins to God, not to be saved, but to show respect to God and strengthen your relationship. God/Jesus loves everyone of you like as if you were the only person in the entire universe! God bless you and your family!
Your dear Mother is being burned alive forever, forever and forever. Fair? Of course not. What a ridiculous lie, as explained by Archangel Michael in The Winds of Truth from the website. Blessings
@drdarrylschroeder5691 Why would anyone's dear mother be burning in hell? See www.equip.org/articles/how-dantes-inferno-can-explain-hell-to-modern-seekers/ www.equip.org/articles/in-defense-of-the-churchs-traditional-doctrine-of-hell/ www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/ www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/ www.equip.org/articles/the-justice-of-hell/
Don't you have to make a decision to be an unbeliever...to be...an unbeliever. There are dozens of vast sections of the world who have never heard of Jesus Christ...how is that reasonable
✔️ For further study, see Fr. Lawrence R. Farley, author of Unquenchable Fire: The Traditional Christian Teaching on Amazon: amzn.to/3hyZkAT
When the Adventists and the JW's go to a funeral, they only see a dead body and they say, that is all there was. They are like the carnal Atheists who believe and say the same thing. . Like rich man's brothers (Luke 16:19-31) , they only saw their brother's dead body and knew not that he was judged immediately after his death, and his soul went to Hades and was tormented "in this flame" . The Adventist's deny Christ very words and teach the exact opposite of Christ. Moreover, they have made it their mission to tell the whole world they won't be judged immediately after death and the wicked have nothing to fear nor the righteous to have no reward.
The Adventists do the same carnal reasoning with the scriptures regarding Sodom and Gomorrah, they say, "see, they just died" and went to soul sleep. They say were not punished afterwards, exactly like the Atheists and the carnal minded, who only see with their fleshly minds and not as Christ who is God sees it and taught it.
The Adventists and the cults seize upon every place in the Old Testament where the destruction of the wicked is promised on a physical level and then say it mean annihilation, just as the rich man's brothers did not know of the torment of the wicked themselves. In this respect, they are just like the Atheists.
While every reader of the Old Testament scripture and prophet who wrote them were NOT annihilationist at all. Just as the author did not believe in annihilation of the wicked so the reader did not as well. They knew that when God had destroyed the wicked in the flood or Sodom and Gomorrah, God had intervened in human affairs to send those wicked directly to hades to be tormented because there was not so much as to be an allotted time to repent. This is thoroughly and explicitly shown in the teaching of Christ that "Moses and the Prophets" (that includes every verse of the entire Old Testament) had taught the torment of the wicked immediately after the death of body. And this is not concealed at all in the Old Testament. *Therefore, all those who use the Old Testament scriptures to support conditional immortality are condemned by Christ.* Because Christ taught the Old Testament taught the exact opposite of conditional immortality.
Isaiah 34:9-11 is no different which parallel to Rev.14:9-11. In both cases the scripture proclaims the torment of the wicked, and picture which is painted is that of unending torment. And, like the carnal flesh which only sees with is fleshly eyes, it does not have the mind of God to see with HIS eyes, even though he is told. And, therefore, he cannot see nor understand the scripture. So, it was with the story of the rich man and his brothers, who knew not that his brother was being "tormented in this flame" . So, the rich man wanted to send someone back to his brothers to warn them. But what says the scripture, "THEY HAVE MOSES AND THE PROPHETS TO WARN THEM, LET THEM HEAR THEM" but, like the Adventists, they don't not believe either! So then, the scripture says as if speaking of the Adventist, "NEITHER WOULD THEY BELIEVE THAT IF ONE CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD TO WARN THEM" . And so it is with the carnal and stubborn foolhardy Adventists under their false prophet.
Nonetheless, In Luke 16:16-31 Christ makes it very plain that NOT ONE SCRIPTURE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT REMOTELY TEACHES THE NON-EXISTENCE OF THE SOUL OR SOUL SLEEP FOR THE WICKED BUT TORMENT DAY AND NIGHT.
Likewise, the carnal minded Adventist seize upon every place where the destruction of the wicked off the earth is spoken of when it speaks of the person's body and not their soul. Yet every reader of the Old Testament truly understood that that was not the end of the punishment for the wicked and that their soul continued to be punished. But, the fleshly minded Adventists only see what is visible to them and not believing God or Christ about the torment of the soul of the wicked immediately after death as Christ and the Apostles taught. The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's are just like the Atheists and the rich man's 5 brothers of Luke 16:19-31!!
They ONLY saw that he was physically dead and knew NOTHING of his UNSEEN TORMENT IN THE FLAME. Therefore, like the carnal minded The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's refuse to hear Christ's words about the unseen torment of the rich man in Hades. Because they can only see with the flesh even when Christ warns them of what will happen to them also after death. The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's refuse to believe. Thus, Christ answer them, "Neither would they believe even if someone came from the dead to warn them. And so it is with these fools.
In Revelation 14:9-11, we are told that anyone who worships the beast and receives his mark “will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. "The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's and all the wicked preach that no one will suffer* *torment forever and ever* A complete denial of the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. And they do so because they have been taught that the true Christ is "Satan" , while it is Satan himself, that leads them to deny the explicit words of scripture. And, because they disbelieve the scripture, they FIGHT against Christ and his Church, as an agent of the Wicked One.
And what do you suppose the beast is telling the wicked who worships them? That if they do, they will be tormented forever and ever? Who would then follow them? The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's will believe the beast when He tells them there is no HELL AND NO TORMENT, THEY ALREADY HAVE BELIEVED AND FOLLOWED THAT GREAT FALSE TEACHING. Then what do The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's and the wicked do? They call Christ "Satan, a Monster, a Tyrant" because they have been taught by a false prophet to hate the just and righteous punishments of Christ upon the wicked.
The carnal mind only sees what is fleshly and not as Christ and the Church taught. Adventism is fully carnal. When they see the wicked die, they only see the death of the body and not the torment of the soul. This is exactly what happened to the rich man in Luke 16:19-31. Any 3rd grader can read the story and see the end of the matter, but not an Adventists, because they have been WILFULLY blinded by their carnal mind and Ellen G. White. Like Sodom and Gomorrah, the people in Edom are still burning and in torment. That is what Christ, and the Apostles taught. The Adventists are so carnal you can only see what is earthly. You are fully prepared to go to hell yourselves for corrupting the gospel of Christ and the Apostles and charming the wicked. You all have sent all your followers to hell and many more millions who did not repent with your Atheistic gospel of soul sleep and annihilationism. Get ready, because except you repent, you will find yourself there shortly.
Why do the Adventists and their like, so despise the eternal punishment? Because they know they are evil and rather than repent of their evil, they find it much easier to deny the explicit teachings of Christ and Christ Himself, than to repent. A righteous man does not fear the just punishments of God.
One day, the Adventist will be like the rich man in Luke 16 wishing you could send someone back from the dead to warn your brothers “Lest they come to this place of torment” where they are!! It’s happened MILLIONS of times already to Adventists!
I have never been able to believe in my heart that God has decided the punishment for sin is to be tortured or punished for all of eternity to come. Hard to believe that 16 years or so of sin deserves that.
@Todd Jackson I am a christian. I find it hard to believe that the average person actually chooses eternal torment. If they truly were given that choice and fully comprehended the implications of their choice - then fair enough.
@Todd Jackson I am a Christian. I do beleve sin is serious. But I still can't see how eternal punishment is fair.
@Todd Jackson the problem with ECT is that it does not fix the problem of depravity.
Maybe part of the reason that you, as a Christian, have a hard time with the idea is because you like to be rationally consistent and there is no Scriptural support for what was claimed in the video.
I need the light I need the love I’m in so much pain
If the lost will suffer eternal conscious torment the Bible ought to say that somewhere. I wonder why it doesn't.
Daniel 12:2
“And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s This Scripture does not speak to the question of eternal conscious torment. Some people view Donald Trump with shame and contempt. Others view Joe Biden with shame and contempt. Neither of them is suffering eternal conscious torment. If you know a better Scripture on the subject, however, I will prayerfully consider it.
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s P. S. You may find this interesting. _"In ancient Israel, the manner in which someone dies is considered either a good or bad death. Good death would consist of dying in old age, dying in peace, martyrdom, and being buried with your family, just to name a few. Examples of a bad death would be a death that is premature, violent, shameful, leaving no heirs, being cremated, or not receiving a proper burial. In an honor and shame culture like Israel was, the manner in which you died would remain with your name and, therefore, categorize the deceased in either an honorable or shameful fashion."_ (source: Answers in Hell)
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s P. P. S. *Contempt* - the original Hebrew word is "deraon." The same word appears in Isaiah 66: 24 where it is used in reference to dead bodies.
@@IsaacNussbaum what does shame mean? What does everlasting mean? To be shamed continually forever sounds terrible.
God alone has immortality 1Tim 6:16 and only the “saved” are granted immortality therefore not everyone will live forever
The soul doesn’t die saved or not saved
@@josephcollins7393 I’ve not found the verse that supports that claim
@@walkitoff117 you’ll find out soon that you’re wrong and I don’t know what Bible you’re reading are you Jahovahs witness
@@josephcollins7393 I am not a JW. I presented a verse that supports my view, I’ll be happy to consider the Scripture you use to support yours....can you share those Scripture references? Shalom.
@@walkitoff117 And what is the promised gift? Isn't it eternal "life". This "life" isn't qualified by adding "in paradise" or some other state, it promises we shall be alive forever. To suffer in hell eternally, doesn't that preclude that one will be alive forever. Therefore, shall the damned also be granted eternal life?
Why do you think that God decided on eternal torture as hell as opposed to other types of punishment he could have organised?
Hell is never taught to be a torture chamber. Hell is eternal conscious punishment. See the following articles…
www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/
www.equip.org/articles/abandon-hope-all-ye-who-enter-here/
www.equip.org/bible_answers/are-there-degrees-of-punishment-in-hell-/
www.equip.org/article/the-justice-of-hell/
@@BibleAnswerMan I will look at these articles - thank you
Once again, we see those promoting Eternal Conscious Torment using little or no scripture to support their position.
They start with the assumption that E.C.T. is true.
(After all, "the majority" in tradition have believed this.)
They start with the assumption that immortality is inherent in humans.
They start with the assumption that as long as a human exist in an eternal state they will simply continue to sin.
And all the while making these assumptions with zero scripture to back it up.
Exactly
This man didn’t mention that the Bible speaks specifically about there being different levels of punishment in Hell.
@NunyaBitness-xq9ed Hank addresses the levels of punishment in Hell question in this video: ua-cam.com/video/p-WsSu9CskM/v-deo.html
Ive never heard anything like this before, that on the other side it won't be much of you left!
Where did he get this idea?
I’m having a really hard time finding any scriptural support for the numerous claims that were just made in this response. And notice that the main justification for “is it fair” was a claim the every soul will live forever (because of the image of God, presumably). But Scripture clearly teaches that the condition for immortality is the gift of Christ given to the faithful.
Then he said that the entire image of God would be gone in the hell-bound person… then wouldn’t the life of the person be entirely gone?
@evanvansickle3779 God never snuffs out the crowning jewels of His creation. It is really then the person who despises and rages against God whom ends in eternal damnation. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-annihilationism-biblical/ www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/ www.equip.org/articles/the-justice-of-hell/ and www.equip.org/articles/in-defense-of-the-churchs-traditional-doctrine-of-hell/
I understand what Even is saying.nthat is what I was trying to say.bthe guy you had on your show said that that image would be gone and that seems to be he was saying that the part that makes you you would be gone. I don't agree with that and I understand why this person and others are confused. This guy's needs to explain that better.
You are absolutely right, Evan. The Bible nowhere promises eternal life to unbelievers. This is what it says, plainly and often:
✴ _He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see (everlasting) life; (John 3: 36a; KJV)
@@BibleAnswerMan Again, I don’t think that claim is supported in Scripture. Would you agree that Sodom and Gomorrah were filled with people who were made in the image of God, and yet God snuffed out these cities as an example of final judgment?
Not advocating this: That’s why Reincarnation is believed by many. Keep coming back until you get it right. Could that be a punishment. Also it’s probably why Purgatory is believed by many.
I would love to believe in this doctrine i have really made a mess of my life heart and soul, the chance to go back and right all my wrongs would be amazing
This makes exactly no sense. First off, there are flaming swords to make sure that nobody would eat of the Tree of Life and live forever in sin. But you're saying yes, you do. Whether sinful or righteous, everybody apparently lives forever. And if I count the number of times that "Jesus" (not his actual name) said "Believe on me because of hell" it's just about never. He told ONE guy, one Jewish dude in the middle of the night "shall not perish, but have everlasting life." Well that says to me that some folks are gonna perish. But he only told this one guy that. But it's the key verse that Christians like to trot out. What about the ONE GUY he told to sell everything and then come follow. I don't see you guys liquidating shite to follow Jesus. Oh, but he only told that to one guy so it's not universal. Well, then what he told one JEWISH guy isn't universal either. Do you see the trap you're setting for yourself? "God doesn't send anyone to tell. They send themselves" is pee-poor rational from a so-called loving compassionate forgiveness-driven people. The mental gymnastics you have to perform makes MY back hurt.
Ok, go join the JW's...
@@StevenStGelais Or you could join Islam, or Buddhism or Mormonism, or Hinduism or some Platonic pagan order.
@@1920s or join the Oneness Pentecostal Modalists.
@jenna2431 Exactly. If "god" has already predetermined everyone's lives, then he is creating people KNOWING he will be sending them to hell. Not very "loving" or "forgiving" if you ask me.
When people worship a "god" who torments people forever, doesn't that suggest that they are as evil as their "god" is?
@IsaacNussbaum Not necessarily. A person is reprehensible for celebrating in the evil done by others. To celebrate when justice is served in a good thing. Why is God faulted for hell? See www.equip.org/articles/the-justice-of-hell/ www.equip.org/articles/how-dantes-inferno-can-explain-hell-to-modern-seekers/ www.equip.org/articles/in-defense-of-the-churchs-traditional-doctrine-of-hell/ www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/
@@BibleAnswerMan People have a choice between a "god" who tortures forever or the God of the Bible who does not. That they chose the former over the latter is revealing, in my view.
Jesus said love your enemies and do good to them, will he go against his own nature?
The traditional hell is consistent with divine love. Christ never kidnaps us and holds us against our will in His heavenly palace, even if the accommodations are nice. Like the bird in a gilded cage. There is no love in that situation. So, Christ says to those who reject His calls, “Thy will be done.” Of course, those in the present moment can still pray to God, “Not my will, but Thy will be done.”
See the following articles…
www.equip.org/articles/why-should-i-believe-in-hell-/
www.equip.org/articles/in-defense-of-the-churchs-traditional-doctrine-of-hell/
www.equip.org/articles/the-justice-of-hell/
Most of the early church fathers taught no such thing:
"Christ saves all men. Some he converts by penalties, others who follow Him of their own will ... that every knee may be bent to Him, of those in heaven, on earth, and under the earth" [Isa. 45:22-23, Rom. 14:11, Phil. 2:10-11, Rev. 5:13] -- *Clement of Alexandria,* _Commentary on 1 John_
"When death shall no longer exist, nor the sting of death, nor any evil at all, then, verily, God will be All in all" [1 Cor. 15:28,55] -- *Origen,* _De Principiis 3:6.3_
"What else does 'until the times of universal restoration' signify to us, if not the aeon to come, in which all beings must receive their perfect restoration?" [Acts 3:21] -- *Eusebius,* leading historian of the early church, _Contra Marcellum __2:4:11_
"A few drops of blood renew the whole world, and become for all men that which rennet is for milk, uniting and drawing us into one." [Col. 1:15-20] -- *Gregory Nazianzus,* _Oration 42_
"Christ captured over again the souls captured by the devil, for that He promised in saying, 'I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto Me.'" [John 12:32, 1 Peter 3:19-20, 4:6, Psalm 68:18, Eph. 4:8-10, and maybe Matt. 12:29] -- *Athanasius,* _Expositions on the Psalms, 68.18_
"The peace [coming] from the Lord is coextensive with all time [eternity]. For all things shall be subject to him, and all things shall acknowledge his empire; and when God shall be all in all, those who now excite discords by revolts, having been quite pacified, [all things] shall praise God in peaceful concord." [Psalm 145:10a, 1 Cor. 15:28, Rev. 5:13] -- *Basil,* _Commentary on Isaiah 9:6_
"So the Son of Man came to save that which was lost, i.e., all, for as in Adam all die, so, too, in Christ shall all be made alive." [Luke 19:10, 1 Cor. 15:22] -- *Ambrose,* _Exposition on the Gospel of Luke 15.3_
"For the wicked there are punishments not perpetual, ... but they are to be tormented for a certain brief period, according to the amount of malice in their works. They shall therefore suffer punishment for a short space, but immortal blessedness, having no end, awaits them; ... the penalties to be inflicted for their many and grave crimes are very far surpassed by the magnitude of the mercy to be showed them. The resurrection, therefore, is regarded as a blessing, not only to the good, but also to the evil." [Isa. 57:16], *Diodore,* _De Oecon_
"Some among the wise and learned … have alluded to this in an enigmatic way, by adducing that God is not only just, but also merciful, and that it becomes the One who judges with justice to have sinners suffer in a measure that is proportional to their sins and then make them worthy of blessedness." -- *Theodore,* _Liber Scholiorum, 2:63_
"'All the kings of the earth shall adore him.' Some, indeed, in the present life willingly, but all the rest after the Resurrection; for not yet do we see all things subject to him, but then every knee shall bow to him." [The "kings of the earth" are rebellious unbelievers in Rev. 6:15, 17:2,18, 18:3,9, 19:19,21 ... but check out what happens in Rev. 21:24-27!] -- *Theodoret,* _On Psalm 72:11_
"Death shall come as a visitor to the impious; it will not be perpetual; it will not annihilate them; but will prolong its visit, till the impiety which is in them shall be consumed." [Matt. 5:26] -- *Jerome,* _On Micah 5:8_
"After the complete abolition of sin, praise shall be sung to God; which praise contain (implies) our being incapable of turning to sin ... when every created being shall be harmonized into one choir ... and when, like a cymbal, the reasonable creation, and that which is now severed by sin ... shall pour forth a pleasing strain, due to mutual harmony. Then comes the praise of every spirit for ever abounding with increase unto eternity." [Psalm 150] -- *Gregory of Nyssa,* _On Psalms, Tract 1, ch. 9_
Other church fathers who believed in eventual universal salvation include *Asterius, Bardaisan, Cyril of Alexandria, Didymus the Blind, Dionysius, Ephrem the Syrian, Gennadius, Hilary, John Cassian, John Chrysostom, Marcellus, Maximus the Confessor, Maximus of Turin, Methodius, Paulinus, Proclus, Titus of Basra & Victorinus.*
Sources: Thomas Allin, _Christ Triumphant,_ Annotated by Robin Parry edition, chapters 4-5, 1905 & Ilaria Ramelli, _A Larger Hope?, Volume 1: Universal Salvation from Christian Beginnings to Julian of Norwich,_ 2019
@tomm6167 Thanks for sharing the quotes from the early church fathers. To be certain, salvation is not by meritorious works.
Eternal torture for a finite crime is unfair, a lot of Christians say you choose hell but that’s not the case. Just because you don’t want god that doesn’t mean you don’t want love. To say there’s no love without god is to say anyone who doesn’t believe in god or love god doesn’t really love their family. The bible doesn’t support the idea if you go to hell you don’t feel love anymore.
@thewhynotgamer842 It is not the time it takes to do the crime that determines the severity of the punishment. Such is never the case. A burglar can take months stealing millions of dollars of valuables from breaking and entering homes, but the penalty for those crimes will be relatively less severe than the shooter who enters into a school and within seconds murders ten students. The latter will be far more than the former, though the former would take substantially longer to commit. The problem is not people yearning for love, it is despising the source of the true love, i.e., God. See www.equip.org/articles/the-justice-of-hell/
@@BibleAnswerMan yes but finite is not relative to eternity because finite means will end but eternal is never ending.
So they do cease to exist if there is nothing left of them.
@andrettanylund830 No. Hell is eternal conscious punishment. See www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/ and www.equip.org/articles/in-defense-of-the-churchs-traditional-doctrine-of-hell/
Yes. I believe it is eternal conscious punishment but the guy you had on said what makes them themselves ceases. That was confusing to me. I don't believe in ceasings to exist but what he said I had never heard before
I believe we were made in the image of God and everyone lives eternally in hell or heaven
I would never want someone I love be separated from me for eternity or be punished for eternity but something I learned from going thru someone close to he being a drug addict that no matter how much love I poured upon her and how much I pursued her or loved her she wanted nothing to do with me. She even hated me even though I loved her and reached out to her. Thank God she got help but if that would have continued not even my love for her would have brought her back to me so that is how I see people rejecting God's love and choosing hell because what she chose was hell. Hell is eternal but not because God isn't loving
*"I believe it is eternal conscious punishment...."* In your view, who is going to be subjected to eternal conscious torment? Your barber/hairdresser, the mail carrier, your doctor, the librarian, your Sunday/Sabbath school teacher, the night stock clerk at the supermarket . . . who else?
Hello Frank,
I write from Paris, France... I hope my translation of the excerpt I give here is not too bad, because my English is limited...
As Saint Nicholas Kabasilas writes in "The Life in Christ" :
"And if those who are taken by the future life are devoid of the faculties and senses necessary for that existence, that future life will not be able to bring anything more for their happiness: they will inhabit this blessed and immortal world like dead and miserable" ...
God Bless you Brother...
Amen. This life we live now is important. We do not sin however we want thinking that we will ultimately be saved by a prayer formula or last-minute rituals like baptism or profession of faith. Saint Isaac of Syria write himself, "Those who burn in hell are burnt by the fire of God's love."
Edward Fudge didn’t believe people just cease to exist. He believed what scripture said about the fate of the wicked. That they will perish, die, be destroyed, be turned to ashes etc.
“if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction (tephroo - literally means to be reduced to ashes), making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;”
2 Peter 2:6
““For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.”
Malachi 4:1, 3
Wow. This was an interesting thought.
Blessings!
I have hardened my heart please forgive me Lord, I repent
If u going to heaven it doesn't matter if it is i just hope its not for my lost loved one's
I want the light, and I want the love
I approve of this message!
Hank, if you can refute the logic in David Bentley Hart's book "That All Shall Be Saved", I will become Orthodox tomorrow.
If the challenge is beyond a red herring but a sincere quest for truth, do spend time in really grappling with this response from Lawrence Farley >
blogs.ancientfaith.com/nootherfoundation/david-bentley-harts-that-all-shall-be-saved-a-review-and-rejoinder/ Also check out Farley’s Unquenchable Fire: The Traditional Christian Teaching about Hell by Lawrence R. Farley > www.equip.org/product/unquenchable-fire-the-traditional-christian-teaching-about-hell/
Blessings
This seems more philosophical than Scriptural.
Everyone will say it is fair....even if it is not. Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Even the damned will say it is just.
Adam the originator of disobedience and sin, had no such possibility of a hellish destination in his future. Only the rest of his prodigy does....now that doesn't even make good nonsense
@deanfloyd893 Appreciate the perspective. Check out Hank's articles on salvation of OT saints 1www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-were-people-who-lived-before-the-time-of-christ-saved/ and www.equip.org/bible_answers/will-adam-eve-receive-brand-new-bodies-eternity/
There real selves cease to exist
No. Hell is eternal conscious punishment. See www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/ and www.equip.org/articles/in-defense-of-the-churchs-traditional-doctrine-of-hell/
@@BibleAnswerMan *No Hell* --is eternal conscious punishment.-- I fixed if for you.
Amen! Thanks for sharing brother! I love you man! You are a blessing! Im praying for you, your family and everyone!
I am watching and expecting for the rapture/event to happen sometime in the next week after the new moon on July 10th 2021 and during the crescent moon.
A few brothers and sisters have had rapture dreams with a new/dark moon or a crescent moon including "Kim Fisher" , "Holly2moons" , and "Eagle eye" on UA-cam.
If we are still here past July 15th next week then I will be watching and expecting for the rapture/event to happen during Tisha'B'Av (9th of Av - Jewish holiday of mourning) on July 16th-18th 2021.
If we are still here past July 18th then I will be watching and expecting for the rapture to happen during Tu'B'Av (Jewish holiday of love) on the Gregorian calendar (July 22nd - 24th 2021) and during the full moon.
July 23rd 2021 is:
- 500 days from the start of the Coronavirus pandemic on March 11th 2020
- 200 weeks (1400 days) from the Revelation 12 sign on September 23rd 2017
- 311 days from the signing of the Abraham Accord peace deal agreement on September 15th 2020
About 4000 rockets were fired at Israel from May 9th until May 21st 2021 when they enacted a unilateral truce between Israel and the Palestinians. They are now proclaiming "Peace and safety", in 1:Thessalonians 5:3 it says "For when they shall say, peace and safety, the sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape". I believe it may be a 40 - 70 day delay/grace period.
I really can't see us being here past July 2021, the first reason is because the U.S.A home eviction notices will expire at the end of July and 25 - 40 million Americans will be homeless because they are unable to pay rent since the beginning of the pandemic last year. (It was originally set to expire in the end of June, it has just been announced that it will be extended until the end of July). The second reason is because the next school semester starts in August/September and it has been said that they will make it a requirement for children to take the vax to attend school.
I believe that 2021 is the year of the rapture because of the pandemic and near mandatory vax/jab and a sister had a dream that the rapture happened right after they made the vax/jab mandatory, also on my channel there was a video of a sister that had a vision of the rapture/event and she said that it will happen before 2022.
UA-cam permanently deleted my main channel on June 13th with no warning, and I haven't posted a video since January! I take that as a sign that we are living in the final moments before the rapture/event!
I give full glory to God for this comment because I have been praying everyday for God to reveal this information to me so that I can share it with everyone.
We will not experience any pain during the rapture/event.
See you in heaven!
Pray and repent of your sins to God, not to be saved, but to show respect to God and strengthen your relationship.
God/Jesus loves everyone of you like as if you were the only person in the entire universe!
God bless you and your family!
Your dear Mother is being burned alive forever, forever and forever. Fair? Of course not. What a ridiculous lie, as explained by Archangel Michael in The Winds of Truth from the website. Blessings
@drdarrylschroeder5691 Why would anyone's dear mother be burning in hell? See www.equip.org/articles/how-dantes-inferno-can-explain-hell-to-modern-seekers/ www.equip.org/articles/in-defense-of-the-churchs-traditional-doctrine-of-hell/ www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/ www.equip.org/articles/the-dark-side-of-eternity-hell-as-eternal-conscious-punishment/ www.equip.org/articles/the-justice-of-hell/
Unbelievers put themselves in hell
Don't you have to make a decision to be an unbeliever...to be...an unbeliever.
There are dozens of vast sections of the world who have never heard of Jesus Christ...how is that reasonable
I don’t wanna go, I wanna not exist that’s my choice, why does that not work?
Christianity is insane!
@chrismankey8251 How so?