Does my Leather Gorget help at all?
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Today I'm making a gorget to have a better base for attaching the spaulder from a few videos back.
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Watch til the end to vote on which part of the armor I'm making next ✌
My vote would be for the second shoulder piece
@@goodguykonrad3701 me too.
What was the white stuff you put on and then torched?? Close caption didn't do a good job of letting me know what you said it was
@@oneshotme stearic acid ✌🏻
Second shoulder peice is what i would do
Leather armor with steel plates riveted to the inside was called Brigandine and was a lot more common historically then people know and is the origin of the myth of studded leather armor.
Studed leather armour is not a myth . Also poor common soldiers often saw in metal rings in to their kaftan - gambason leather or linen padded garments ...
Only noble and wealthy knights could afford plate armour . Common soldiers were lucky to have chainmail . Many did not . So yes padded jackets , studded leather anything that could protect poor fighting common man was used . In 1410 in Tannenberg when Touthenic order with cream of European knights stood against Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth. Lithuanian poor common soldiers used wooden planks as armour ....
People did weird stuff that worked !
Inuets made armour from ribs of whales !
It all worked at the end ...
@@romans883 Show a single example of real, historical, studded leather armour.
Every example that I have ever heard of, is small plates of steel, iron, bone, wood, something hard, riveted between two layers of leather. It would definitely be more expensive than just padded armour or a gambeson, but it is a hell of a lot cheaper than plate. It doesn't require much skill to make, There is no benefit to just putting metal studs into leather, other than weakening the leather. You putting something into the leather, that can help tear the leather apart during an impact. It doesn't stop the edged weapon from cutting into the leather, it doesn't spread impact force over a larger area. It just weakens the leather, as far as i can gather from everything I have looked at.
Sewing metal rings onto their gambeson, or padded armour is definitely a viable practice: The metal really helps to protect the leather from edged, slashing weapons. The leather helps spread the force of the impact over a wider area. What NjordArtisan has made with his spaulder, is very similar in practice. The biggest weakness with his chainmail is that it is just butted.
A Blacksmith and a leatherworker! Your multi-talented 😁 Very few people actually show their leatherworking process. Having done some in high school and college it was nice to see you having fun with it. I really think it's underrated as a craft!
Especially in todays age of fake and machine made leather items
50 hours to make it, 30 minutes for you to destroy it and only 16 minutes for me to enjoy it.
Excellent craftsmanship as always. My vote if for the nest shoulder piece.
Thanks a lot! As long as you enjoyed those 16 minutes I’m very happy with wrecking my work 😄👍🏻
every Njord Artisan video is amazing! love what you do, hope you can grow further and reach the 1 million subs :)
Thanks a lot! I really appreciate that! 🙌🙌🙌
This is why 'leather armor' was never (or very, very rarely) seen historically. Good for hunting, maybe a brawl, or to stop you getting shanked in an alleyway, but not meant for a battlefield. Add literally a 1mm thick plate of mild steel to that and you'll get SO MUCH more protection.
Great video, was a fun watch, and good craftmanship! Maybe you know, but a mail coif is supposed to be worn over relatively thick padding. Chainmail shouldn't have direct contact to skin or hair. Once again cool video and interesting results in your leather testing!
Thanks!
I almost bought one of those padded caps the other day but I thought that would look ridiculous with my current coif.
Maybe once a have a proper riveted one 😄
Great craftmanship dude! I think this video really showcases why leather wasn't used so much historically.
Thank you! Yeah, I was really surprised with the 30 lbs bow 😄
at least not as prective part of the armour, yeah
It was used, just depended on the situation. Armor got heavier as the long bow developed and eventually spawned the crossbow. Lighter leather armor is more for close quarters fighting.
@@TheBradinator214 i have to respectfully disagree, at least in the medieval central european parts, Leather was not really used as a protective part of armour. You'd have Brigandines, with metal plates, where the outer layer might have been leather, Maille Armour, or simply cloth armour like the Gambeson, but i am not aware of any armour that's distinctly made of leather. If you have any sorurces, could you share them with us? I find any kind of armour always very interesting, no matter the period or origin :D
@@bl4cksp1d3r mongol lammellar armor used leather and iron together. But it definitely wasn't used in Europe.
My vote is Probably the other shoulder. that way you can pick a matching design and probably sketch a front and back design to connect the three.
Sounds like a good idea! 👍🏻
Second pauldron first. The Breastplate will be easy to sculpt but might be harder to get the finish right
I think I’m also leaning towards that 👍🏻
Let’s see what others think
I think you forgot to wear (or make your balloon target wear) a padded hood under the mail coif, it's the reason why Medieval depictions show knights with such bulbous heads.
the paper to leather edits where clean! as for your next build while i think the breast plate would be cool i think you should try the shoulder piece first since you mentioned how you wanted to improve the other. it being a different style will also make it more visually interesting. also did you think i wouldn't notice new intro?! >:) loving your videos man
Thanks a lot! I’m glad you liked it. And your vote is of course noted 👍🏻
What gauge of wire is your chainmail? How big in diameter? Could you also do more leather on the NoBullTutirial channel? I want to get into leather working and need your teachings
2,2mm wire with 10mm inner diameter, but I wouldn’t make it like that again
Interesting. Mine is 14 gauge and about half inch diameter
What tutorial would you like to see?
The right way to work leather. Like a general overview and tips. (Plus a different boiling and baking video) Something like that, your decision.
@@Dr._OConnor I’ll put it on the list ✌🏻
Great video. I did 10 years of full contact medieval battle re-enactment & living history here in the UK. So I know a little bit, but I am no expert. Movement in armour should be the same as if you were not wearing armour if it was plate, mail, scale, etc. Soft armour (eg, gambeson) not so much, plus you will sweat like a stuffed pig in it, as it is stuffed with sheep's wool. Just what you want to wear on a hot summers day to run around in and hit and be hit be other people. Arming cap helps a lot under mail, or line the couf with leather. Hot goose fat on leather, soak in, then baked, will hard leather, Romans did this. But it will not stop a bobkin war arrow, nor will mail, you need plate for that, or a big mate to stand behind.
Thanks for your input! So there's a lot to improve about the shoulder pieces. And I gotta try that goose fat method 🙌
I'd say, the breastplate makes more sense, because then you can think of ways to attach the other parts to it neatly, instead of having to think up those things retroactively.
Good point!
It looks great, can't wait to see what you do with the chestpiece
Thanks! So I’ll put that down as one vote for the chestpiece 👍🏻
Two votes
i see this armoring thing working out for you, i really do. best of luck!
Thank you!
This is why I stay up all night, so I can catch my mate from Germany when he posts quality content!
Legend!
I haven't received a single notification from your channel since the leather armour video! WTH UA-cam!!!!!!!
Didn't expect you to completely obliterate it like that 💀 your leatherwork is so beautiful! I'm sure if you ever wanted to work in film, Weta workshop would be happy to have you.
Halo bang 🙏
Amazing Craftsmanship 👍🏻👍🏽👍
Thank you 🙏
Just found your channel and it’s so underrated!
Thank you!
It's amazing that you are such a well rounded artisan. thank you for everthing that you do! you are a reall inspiration to me!!
Just found your videos so I apologize if you have already done this. Would workharden copper disks make a difference or do you think it would be useless?
This guy’s craftsmanship is out of this world!
Makes me really want to get into leatherworking.
Haaaaaaa. Nice. Awesome leather work.
Blessings and protection amen.
keep up the awesome work. I can't wait to see the full suit. Definitely built your other armI feel you will notice more mobility issues.
Thanks! Your votes noted 🙌
To get balance in the shoulders with a second piece sounds like the right move!
By the way, you should visit the mideval week in Visby. 6-13 august this year.
But than you`d have to go to Sweden....
And it does start this sunday, so it might be a little short notice.
It would probably work fine against slashes with blades but not stabs, and something I have noticed with my own armouring is that arrows can go through almost anything, even plate armour.
I'd go with triple thick scales, stitched to a 10 layer cloth backing, or just mail on top of the leather.
I'm watching the video to the end, yes I was right this is not a defense
and I have never heard of leather gorgets, leather and flax/hemp armor, yes, but not gorgets
Hello! in a full suit of armour you would only feel the bare friction between the pieces, but you would not feel any resistance to movement.
That was a lot of work, but what a beautiful result! Too bad you needed a destructive test to se the strength, but such is life.
I've only worn a rather ill-fitting breast plate for a stage play, and that was more restrictive when it comes to lifting your arms over your head. The dance numbers was a hassle... 😅
Not all armour was made to withstand a direct hit, but more protect against the glancing blows and shrapnel, so I'd still wear your gorget rather than nothing...
E só custura kevlar 3A. entre o material ! Fica bom.
what type of leather are you using? I have made some armor out of scrap latigo leather that easily stops a 40lb bow with a broadhead. That is also non harddend
I like your leather chainmail shoulder . As the neck piece well glue it to real steel beavor my friend lol you live longer !
You need 3 layers of skin, soak in gelatin, and then press it with heat. That's when you get leather armor.
Ngl, I thought the first bow and arrow you showed was the power bow from power rangers.
I use tenon saw blades wrapped in tape. Nothing penetrates it.
I think no, it looks too decorative and not intended for combat, the leather should be strong, laid in many layers and well tanned
Find a local recreation group or HEMA group and I'm sure someone will be able to let you try on a suit of armor
i think breast plate next would be coolest, gives a bit more time to practice making armour before moving on from one arm to the other to possibly have more improvement visible
Very nice
choose your fighter
Bow n Arrow vs Cattle Carcass
A medieval arrow would have more weight, so in my opinion training arrows are a lot less of a threat :(
Your leather should be thicker and more layers.
swims, archery, makes leather armor? man of many talents
"Looks like I got too excited making this" 🤣😂
It turned out looking Boss AF, shame you ruined it, never thought about how tooling and decoration could make armor weaker, though next time you could find armor hardening techniques which may make it last longer in testing. Something to do with boiling the leather I think.
Thanks! I also really liked the look of it. Destroying it isn’t much fun but it really helps in understanding the weak points
hmm, looks more like a bevor than a gorget imo
Your Chainmail doesnt look very strong, the rings should be smaller and they should be closed.
Everyone buys the same 16/18 gauge rings.
Most Americans pronounce sew like so, only with a w, which does not change much....
Definitely very confusing 😄
Hey, look at it this way, the armor protected the guy standing behind you!
And i would like to see the other shoulder be done next, and it would give you a bit more practice before moving to something really big like a breastplate.
Noted!
At least the guy behind you will appreciate the armor 😂
Just wondering. Are you going to dual with @alecsteele ? Battle of the Forge! 😂
I don’t think I can compete with that new breastplate he got 😄
Удивительный талант, жаль не прокатило
P.s. - breastplate would be good for the next video
Thanks a lot! I didn’t expect it survive the crossbow but I was a bit surprised that even the 30 lbs bow went through
I love your leatherwork, great job!
Thank you! 🙌
You seem to be attaching the shoulder with lace points at either end. You may want to try attaching it at a single point in the center instead for better mobility, though this will expose your armpit when raising your arm.
Will do, thanks for the tip!!
holy shit the transitions incoming
That leather stamping press you use for the knot work!
Is that something you built, or is a store bought? I wish we got a better view of it.
It’s an old drill press. One of those that doesn’t have a drill attached but just a ring to stick any handheld drill into. I put an old drill chuck in there so i can put different tooling in. It’s a lot slower than hand hammering the stamps but when I’m in my apartment during the Uni semester I couldn’t be that loud so this was a great way to still do stamping in silence ✌🏻
id ile to see the leather breastplate!
I’d say the breastplate next
I think i would vote for the breastplate. apart from that, nice vid man
Thanks! And your vote is noted 👌🏻
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Honestly, I forgot to sub when I saw your whipsword video and you just popped into my feed again. Binge watched your content to current. I'd say I do have a request. Stop wrecking your s*** when you spend 20+ hours on something that isn't gonna work for armor. I love testing. Tod from Tods workshop has a series of testing stuff. He doesn't wreck crap that he spent time decorating! Test on a concept piece! Now you can't wear or show the gorget without obvious holes, and couldn't modify the design. Good content, but it'd be better to see you test the concept, adjust, and then make two products. 1 finished pretty piece and 1 that isn't remotely complete, but serves as a good test piece for what the real piece "should" be able to take.
You're probably right but I feel like it makes for a better video to test the actual piece. I see this whole suit of armor as the testing prototype to try and improve and learn more decorating and armoring. It'll end up as decor in my workshop anyways and I think a messed up suit of armor also has some charm to it 😁
@@NjordArtisan I mean, it is your channel. I can't stop you from blowing up hard work, but I can say from a viewer(possibly the minority opinion) perspective, seeing you put all this work into something that isn't going to function properly because you didn't do tests ahead of time is almost painful. I'm not expecting you to try and research everything you build for efficacy when the point, from what I'm getting, is entertainment of you exploring how to make your own suit with your own methods and styles.
It's a cool concept for videos. It's why I subbed when you popped back into my feed and have gone to watch much of your backlogged content. Good stuff so far!
However, testing the function before making the final product is important in all stages of prototyping.
When I saw the leather gorget, I assumed it would be steel backed/reinforced. As the video went on, however, and I realized you weren't using a proper backing, I just assumed it would be a pretty leather worked piece for learning. Then you brought out the crossbow and I facepalmed because I knew there was no way in hell a leather gorget has a chance against any substantial projectile. At least not without some weird composites being used in the constructions(like Todd thinks might have been done with the glue and stuff he is testing/playing with occasionally). Leather can work as an amazing backing/structure for armor, but by itself it simply isn't amazing against anything that pierces/pokes. You saw this with the Witcher pauldron, no?
I, for one, would love to see you split projects like this into 2 phases. Testing a protoype to figure out how you want to construct it, and then the build/creation of the final product! Now, if you wanna shoot the crap out of the real one because it looks cool, I'm all for watching that too... but I'd prefer to see the final product that could be worn look like it saved the wearer and it kept as a sentimental piece for "That time when someone tried to shoot me in the throat". =P
Anyway, this is just general feedback. Good content and I'll continue watching either way. I just know that a lot of people don't bother stating things and sometimes creators need/want someone to put feedback out there. If I'm wrong about your audience and what would work, or you just don't like my suggestions, feel free to ignore me entirely. I'll not be offended. You're making things I can't(I suck at this kind of thing, which is why I watch so many creators =P) and doing it the way you want; I'm just some Joe Schmoe tossing out an opinion. You having fun and enjoying the process is more important than any feedback from some random guy on the internet. Now, you apparently put out a video a few days that didn't pop up in my feed(but I can see in the sidebar suggestions), so now I need to go watch it. Best of luck with both your projects and channel!
I've been arguing with myself on how to respond to the video, but I still managed to lose..... Some body armor that law-enforcement agencies use here in the US is made up of overlapping, ceramic tiles, basically like scale mail but it weighs less, and is way stronger than any steel used in medieval times. Or you could get some thin bar stock of high carbon steel, like 1084, 1095, or a spring steel like 5160, heat it up and bend it into the shape of the curve behind the leather. Then just put a thin layer of anything lightweight between the steel and your skin. Sorry for the long winded comment, and I hope that at least some of it makes sense 😅
Hey man, nice to see you!
That definitely would be plenty strong but at that point I think the leather overlay becomes obsolete or rather a hindrance because instead skidding off the metal everything catches on the leather and absorbs a lot impact than just plain metal.
If it’s just for aesthetic reasons that’s a different topic but I actually think metal looks better than leather 😄
@@NjordArtisan Gotcha 😁👍🏽
You could always let Joerg Sprave take a "look at it´s features" 😜
Really nice job, so it is almost sad to shoot it.
But I have seen a test from an English guy about armour and how to treat the leather.
He came to the conclution that using beeswax on it makes it easier to penetrate.
(works a little like lubricant for the arrow)
So a thing you should think about is what way you are hardening the leather.
Wax and things like that makes it stiffer and to hold it´s shape very good, but it does make it more penetrable.
Better for blunt force, but not for sharpe, like arrow, knife or sword.
But you did a beautiful job!!
Keep up the good work!
The quality of these vids just keeps getting better
Thanks 🙏
Well, you would also be wearing a gambeson under the armor as well, sot the bladed weapons and blunt weapons would be OK protected against. A shield would be needed to have a prayer against surviving arrows.
Oh yeah, that would help a lot.
Without a shield maybe the armor stops the arrow enough that the person behind you survives 😄
@@NjordArtisan We call that a meat shield.
I say breastplate next! Great video as always!
Noted! And thanks!
Looks great and a wonderful job making it minus the white stuff you put on it
Thanks!
Not a fan of the stearic acid?
@@NjordArtisan You're welcome!! Thanks for letting me know what it was!
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I would love to see the chest plate next as I would love to see what you'd incorporate into the design.
Goooood
So cool
u r amazing keep up good work
Thanks!
Can you make a whip like katana
Again? 😄
I am amazed at how this is turning out
Tod's Workshop had a video where he went over a historical method for leather armor that might actually be worth investigating. It was two layers of half tanned leather, with the soft sides glued together and a layer of iron filings and ground glass mixed into the glue. Even skipping the step where he boils the leathers in glue, I bet the composite nature could be interesting for less work and you can get fine glass for sandblasting, so no need to make any.
Great idea, thanks!
That was exactly, what I would had refered as well. The leather soaked in rawhide glue (or just gelatine) in a heated pot looks like boiling the leather, but actually it's only 50-60°C and the leather should get harder than untreated leather but not so brittle like cooked leather. If the gelatine glue is mixed with iron-ions, than a reaction from the tannin from the tanned leather and iron makes the gelatine glue hard and over time non solubile in water...and it shifts the colour into black.
An error in a row of arrows
Is say shoulder ;) keep it up. I wanted to download raid…but then i took an arrow to the knee …. Ruuuuun
fun video!
Thanks!
Both!
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Sweet god why would you make all that intricate, agonizing detail on something you intended to mangle
Practice 😄
2:03 cool s
What do you mean?
@@NjordArtisan the shape just reminded me of the cool s
@@cabageno.2 oh right 😂😂
Tod Cutler's doing some videos on leather facings for shields, which might provide some information for experiments like this. Basically, it seems that boiling and hide glue--with a few other techniques--creates a much tougher material than just boiling in water.
Tod draws a comparison to fiberglass: fibers of glass alone are floppy, resin is brittle, but the two together produce a remarkably durable material. His idea is that the leather equates to the glass fibers, the glue to the resin.
His videos on the topic are very interesting!
But that whole process seems pretty tedious and I want to focus on the armoring aspect of this so I’m doing these simpler versions of hardening. Maybe once I know what I’m doing with armoring I can revisit some historically accurate and better hardening techniques
boiling in hide glue/ boiling in modern day gelatine, yeah. I was surprised to hear that gelatine is basically what makes hide glue sticky
btw Todd Cutler did a few vids on leather armour, you might want to take a peek at his, especially his leather boiling technique
I subscribed after the shoulder piece video to see the whole set. I see I won't be disappointed. Amazing!
Thanks!