It costs tuppence halfpenny to join the Labour Party and become a “ grass roots member “. While we’re at it, just why did Corbyn impose à 3 Line whip to support a minority Tory government get Article 50 through parliament leading to a 4% drop in GDP and a loss of freedom to earn a living anywhere in Europe ??? Where was the grass roots input into that decision, and while we’re at it why did Corbyn not follow party policy and energise the Labour Party to campaign to Remain in the EU ?
@@californiadreamin8423 what difference does it make if your membership only means your vote counts when the conference is in session?, how dumb do you have to be...
@California Dreamin because Corbyn is and always has been a Brexiteer and Diane Abbott recently confirmed that. I don’t believe he even voted Remain as he claimed. Only 2 people wanted Article 50 triggered the day after the vote - Corbyn and Farage🙄
@@californiadreamin8423 at the time campaigning to rejoin the EU was political suicide, kier starmer knew that, that's why he pushed it early doors. Now when it's a more popular idea but still risky, Starmer runs from the idea of rejoining the EU, becuase he is a power hungry lying, coward.
I should have realised, this being the times, that this was going to side chiefly with good establishment figure Keir Starmer. Do you call the RW of the tories the hard right one million times when you cover Tory factions, I doubt it? The Labour Party was not set up to work primarily for the interest of times readers and you should not expect it to at the expense of the poorer and more needy.
Read the Forde Report, watch the labour files. Jeremy Corbyn was right in saying that AS was over stated and used , as well as a genuine issue. Keir Starmer himself said the issue had been used by the press for their own ends. In the time when Keir Starmer was taking a different side. The EHRC also said that the labour leadership had intervened in AS investigation , which the Forde report & labour files refuted , so Jeremy Corbyn was right in saying that he accepted most of the findings but not all
There is 100 times more anti semitism in the Tory Party than Labour. Corbyn strongly opposed to antisemitism all his life. Anti Zionism is not antisemitism. Loads of rabbis and orthodox Jews oppose Zionism.
Why have they been treated badly? Their fantasy project brought about Labour's biggest defeat if you look at the final figures but for a couple of thousand votes Labour could have been wiped out so badly the SNP would have been the official opposition. The bulk of voters are moderate and don't want the odd trillion spending on rewinding Thatcherism
Starmer is a puppet for Blair.Blair has ruined his own reputation and is now operating behind the smokescreen of Starmer.Are we going to fall for more Blair moves away from the basic Labour party principals???
That’s fine. As long as he’s nothing to do with Labour, he can go back to his student fringe politics and do what he likes and all his little cult will be happy and I don’t begrudge them something to cheer about😂
@@adamalexander5181 I agree totally we need Corbyn to be the labour leader and we will all support him no matter what especially the Jewish communities. 🇵🇸
The reporter expose their bias by constantly refering to "hard left" when refering to actual socialist MPs, and "modernisers" when refering to the right of the party. They could just refer to each wing as left or right, would give the listener a more balanced opinion then without the spin.
Left & right are stuck to the same body with the same head/brain which belongs to a international criminal oligarchy cabal that uses every countries as pawns on a chess board , they’ve worked out which system they want , the Chinese one , for this one world government , if you think we’re slaves to the system now just wait until the great reset comes into play where we will own nothing yet we’re supposed to like it , the powers that shouldn’t be will like it , we’ll just have to lump it
The important part of the process was that "Kier Starmer reneges on the agreement [with Jeremy Corbyn]". Starmer's behaviour since becoming leader has been anything other than that of a person with integrity.
Hodge threatened to leave if Corbyn came back and that she would take 'the Jews' with her. She'd probably start calling Starmer an anti-Semite if Corbyn came back.
From everything I've seen from Starmer in the past year, I question why he identifies as a member of the Labour Party. Does he support rail workers? No. Does he support teachers? No. Does he support nurses and junior doctors? No. Has he completely ignored the Forde report? Yes. Has he kicked the former leader of the Labour Party out of the party? Yes. Has anyone ever seen John Major and Keir Starmer in the same room together? I suspect they are one and the same.
The single most important important of Starmer is to win a General Election. Corbyn failed to do that. There is more to politics, and strategy , than standing on a picket line waiving a flag. RMT are not affiliated to the Labour Party. They made that choice, so it’s rich for you or anyone else to expect as a duty, for a Labour MP to stand on a picket line.
@@californiadreamin8423 Corbyn "failed" to win an election due significantly to the targeted campaign to brand him an anti-Semite based upon his criticism of Israel. I imagine Labour would have fared much better in 2019 had the party itself, as well as the media at large, not taken it upon themselves to bring down its leader.
Why the Labour supporters haven't seen Starmer for what he obviously is (a Tory) and reverted to socialism supporting Corbyn as leader. Barring that he should start a socialist party of his own.
How many Tories do you know who support a wealth tax, want to ban fire and rehire and zero hour contracts, want to take climate change seriously, want to scrap Rwanda, want to invest in the NHS and want a better relationship with the E.U.?🤨
The Tories run Supply Side Trickle Down Economics hence the millionaire pensioner tax cut and fiscal drag for the Plebs Labour run a Keynesian Demand side Economic model which invests in Physical and Social infrastructure and the 2 produce completely different economies. So stick your comparisons in the nearest garbage pit
I will not vote for Labour until they allow Jeremy to stand at the next election. The treatment of this honourable and decent man has been truly disgusting.
Corbyn isn't honorable if he was he wouldn't have handed the Tories an 80 seat majority in 2019 but worked to form a government of national unity The guy's hubris was so great he went to the polls with favorability -72 rating and +12 approval his polling stank more than Truss's at its worst and you have the bear faced cheek to talk about honourable
Karma Karl…..honourable and decent man !!! You’re blind. He betrayed you in 2016 by not energising the Labour Party to campaign for Labour policy to remain in the EU, and then he stuck the knife in by imposing a 3 line whip to support a Tory government on its knees get Article 50 through parliament and start Brexit ….in the hands of the Tories. Well you didn’t feel the knife slip between your ribs, but I bet you’re feeling it now with an economy crashing and you can’t even clear off and earn a living anywhere in Europe. When will you learn ?
Times Radio referring to Jeremy Corbyn as "hard left" because he's a socialist is as ridiculous as calling capitalists hard right. And Kier Starmer not standing up to the Tories and right wing media when they use Corbyn's name as 1. a weapon agains the Labour Party, and 2. to define what the Labour Party should look like - to the point that Starmer kicks Corbyn out - is utterly weak leadership.
It 'was' the honour and privilege of Starmer's life, pity he didn't believe his own words. He allowed himself to be corrupted. A man with no honour is not a man to lead a country.
what honour did Corbyn have when he refused to allow a government of National Unity to be formed and a second referendum called in 2019 but let his hubris take over and went to the polls with a -70 approval rating
Looking at most of these comments I'm pleased to see I'm not the only person that feels this way. Labor right expect us to do for them what they never did for us.
I agree. All his embarrassing cult can then join that and leave Labour to the sane grown ups who actually want to win elections and not just wave Palestinian flags and excuse Putin’s brutal actions
I joined PLP when JC came to the front and was proud to have done so. Once I realised they were all out to get him I lost heart. Starmer is so terrible for Labour supporters it's almost unbelievable. I have left and will never support him or his mates. Ever.
I have a question. Why are these two not questioning Starmers 'moral stand' Starmers integrity, Starmers 'unreserved' support of the aparteid state of Israel and it's murderous regime.
You’d rather the Tories stay in power than Labour win with Starmer wouldn’t you? Same old spiteful, vindictive hard left. Same people who were laughing at Eddie Marsan the other day for being bullied at school - that’s what kind of people you are
God I miss Corbyn. It felt like I might have a future, that I was represented in mainstream politics, and that this country had good days ahead. Now all of that hope is gone.
@left_blank I’m trying my hardest. The point is, a Corbyn government would have made it much easier. I could have saved more because of higher minimum wage, allowing me to spend more of my time on my career goals. I could have attended more professional conferences because of cheaper rail fares under a nationalised system. I don’t want to start a small business at the moment, but if I did, regional investment banks would have made it easier to get started.
Yeah, I feel what you are saying. It's important to note that the establishment, banks and big business would have sabotaged any plans Corbyn had in any event. There is no hope in the UK, because our supposed democracy is nothing more than a sham.
What propaganda? You mean saying what he’s actually said and done and criticising him for it? And Corbyn is toxic to the average voter, so I suggest venturing into the real world sometime as opposed to accounts with Palestinian and Cuban flags on their profile
@@SlowhandGreg Propaganda and blatant character assassination were the reasons for those two. Don't dress it up as anything else unless you're dumb enough to believe Labour actually has an anti Semitism problem.
Corbyn said some time ago that he would start his own political party. Nows the time to do it, because starmer's new labour is not a party he should be part of.
Just why did Corbyn impose à 3 Line whip to support a minority Tory government get Article 50 through Parliament ? I take it you’re happy with a 4% hit to our economy and loss of your freedom to earn a living anywhere in Europe ?
Corbyn as a Labour leader supported starting Brexit process by issuing three line whip to Labour MPs to vote for triggering article 50. Couple years later he lost an election and gave Tories 80 seat majority. Yep, clearly it is something to admire.
why his hubris handed the Tories an 80 seat majority in 2019 he should have worked to form a government of national unity but no he had to be leader so he got his election and went to the polls with favorability -72 rating and +12 approval his polling stank more than Truss's at its worst Take off the rose tinted glasses and look at the the sheer carnage that decision has wrought
I notice the bias towards the right in this podcast. Corbyn has been treated abominably and you describe him as taciturn! He was a personality whereas Starmer does not have one
Absolutely, a pure Westminister tittle-tattle version of events. I thought Patrick Maguire talking about his lunch with an insider at the start was very revealing. How can Starmer be described as 'decent' after the list of bald-faced lies he told to the Labour membership? Maguire, like most corporate media journalists, seems to have never heard of the leaked report that showed the scheming and hatred of the Blairites faction towards Corbyn and the left during his leadership or KC Martin Forde's report that said the media did exaggerate the claims of anti-semitism, for example, the BBC's wholly misleading Panorama report on the issue of anti-semitism. Where's the proper fact-based journalism on the situation? Not here, that's for sure!
Not for nothing, but… what is the source of the suggestion that Corbyn would support putin and/or the Kremlin? One doesn’t expect push back on such an assertion in a times interview, but… Come on!
Corbyn has been one of Putin's most vocal, and consistent critics, as it happens, and rightly so. But as that doesn't fit the narrative that the right wing press promulgate, you rarely hear it in our media.
Don't be daft, Corbyn would crush any opposition that Labour would try to place in Islington North, but Starmer's constituency is somewhat different to IN.
@@californiadreamin8423 "Corbyn is rather old don’t ye know." And you are obviously a spring chicken with your cutting edge reference to 1960's pop culture....
You lost me at ‘Clause 4 moment’ four mins in. If this is some kind of ra ra dance for Blair I am not interested. Y’all work for Murdoch, I guess I shouldn’t have given you that much of a chance.
Nice to see so much support for Jeremy Corbyn in the comments. He is much maligned, but actually stands up for the vulnerable and underprivileged, a constituency that is only likely to grow as neoliberalism scorched earth tactics stampede onwards.
Starner is just a stuffed suit , absolutely empty & completely a establishment puppet , his a proper snake how he turned on Jeremy Corbyn like a hissing , smiling snake 🐍
I joined the Labour Party on the back of Jeremy Corbyn. To watch him being thrown under the bus is quite frankly disgraceful and I can't find a word in my dictionary to describe it. "Treachery" comes close but it's not even near to describing the depths to which our political process won't delve in persuit of their own vanity!
Guys our Democracy is on the fringes of collapse....we need a referendum on capital punishments ...we need to reexamine our tax system...and Downsize our monarchy ....we must do first past the post voting...and accept that the past is just that...Think uk
No one would expect John and Diane to be openly supporting Jeremy Corbyn bec they would loose their whip. That doesn’t mean they are not making it clear that they think Keir Starmer is acting awfully. Not exactly a trap. For labour Jeremy Corbyn standing aNd winning, as he will, will be a huge distraction and embarrassment - ofcourse this side isn’t mentioned by the times. What those of us on the left are hoping is that Keir Starmer going forward has his power tempered by being made to work with strong and more decent men like Ed Lib Dem and Hamza youssef SNP. A LW alliance is better than Keir Starmer
Starmer does not represent workers and the vulnerable. He doesn’t give a damn if the education and health will be handed over to big private companies.
Yeah, I was always frustrated he never seemed to spell out the facts. He's said since how corrupt the system was that took him down and got Boris in - the threats from the establishment, military and security, even foreign powers - but at the time he just wasted microphone time every time someone put one in his face, making vague uninspiring remarks about how bad a job the Conservatives were doing and how he was ready to step in. He desperately needs some PR training.
UK politics, if you're racist, pro establishment, pro status quo and hate the poor, you will do well. I'm very interested to see how Kier fares in the elections. Apparently 2\3rds of UK want an alternative to the big two parties. No new party has a chance without the backing of the media, look at ukip, no issues there. It seems more people are losing faith in the media. It's insane. Compare Linekar's treatment for a factual comment talking about language to the entire media completely destroying Corbyn daily for years, with the most horrendous accusations, personal attacks from all sorts of celebrities etc. Our democracy is so bad, I'm starting to worry America might invade us.....
“Hard left” equals political representation for average working people. We can’t possibly have that as they’d afford housing and food, during a cost of living crisis. It’s almost as if Times radio is owned by some insatiable billionaire lol.
I am not a labour supporter but I think he truly is a man of integrity and one of the few i believe is an mp for the right reasons unlike all the others on both sides of the house who are just a disgrace to the fundamentals of a democracy. If he became leader, i would vote for him, never starmer and as for blair, he should be behind bars forever for what he did to iraq
Grassroots against the EU .. Now look at us!!! ... He wanted OUT! #taxdodger ... Imagine not paying tax -How much would your paycheck be worth? ... #cafemam
I left the Labour Party after snake Starmer betrayed Jesus...sorry JC..I will campaign for people to vote anything but Labour under this lying deceiver..I am a 68 year old ex schoolteacher Tony Benn style Labour guy....
As usual with much of the media, more interesting for that which it omits. No mention of Martin Forde KC’s report & concern of the hierarchy of racism within Labour. No mention of the fact that Corbyn was average workers one hope for worker power in a cost of living crisis. No mention of the loss of 150,000 plus members. A number much higher than the total membership of the Tory party. These people then pass as journalists?? Totally fascinating.
Why not mention the values driven leadership of Corbyn? Why not mention the fact that he didn't have the disastrous results in 2019 that is commonly reported. In fact the share of the vote was still larger share than many other Labour leaders except Blair. And of course the 2017 result had a second highest share of the vote since 1945. Of course I'm aware that we don't have proportional representation but what it does indicate is that there were tens of thousands of people scattered across the UK that supported Corbyn and his transformational policies. So why are we continuing to perpetuate this myth?. If he is crotchety it is perhaps no wonder. He was vilified both inside and outside the party so much so that the LSE produced a report From Watchdog to Attack dog. 9:45
How about a simple contest, Jeremy vs Smarmer. Now that would conclusively prove, who the members want. They pay for the privelidge. Smarmers leadership shoein was as dodgy as Fk FFS!!!!!!
This kind of behaviour from Starmer is honestly very very worrying, and dangerous for British democracy. Whatever you think of Corbyn, and there is legitimate criticism to be made, he also undeniably represents a major element of our society and an important part of our political tradition. The idea that you can just exclude a whole type of politics, a whole element of our national debate, from politics like this is authoritarian in the extreme. If this Stalinist approach is how Starmer runs his own party, I am scared to see how he will run the state.
Are you serious starmerism there is no such thing. emulating the Tories on on-policy more like he stands for nothing when it comes to real policy issues and integrity😂 starmer who ran on a left wing policy platform to get elected as leader of the Labour party and since becoming leader as abandoned all his pledges on all the 10 policy issues he said he stood by. This is the same person who called Jeremy Corbyn a friend while in the shadow cabinet under Corbyn and running for the leadership of the party and said the attacks on his integrity was disgraceful and now uses those very unfounded accusations and uses them the same way the Torys and the establishment and right wing media did in a attempt to destroy his political message with lies and distortion yes he lost to elections but combined 24 million people voted for his leadership of the Labour party under his radical agenda to change Britain for the better
Starmer should have kept him in. There have always a few far-left idiots on the Labour back benches. Just as there are a few far-right idiots on the Tory back benches. Corbyn's leasdership was an anomaly.
If Corbyn wins a seat as an Independent would Labour let him back in the party? Starmer has welcomed some Tory MPs who have crossed the floor to join Labour.
Kier Starmer is the most spineless politician I have ever seen. You would have to be treacherous on a while other level to support his treachery. I believe even the Tories have more integrity than Kier Starmer and his rent boys. That said, I probably won't be voting next term.
Corbyn will stand as an independent, and I hope he wins. As for Labour members, a lot of them are just being ignored, so more will probably leave. If Labour win the next GE, Starmer will ultimately fail, as there will be more autocracy; the opposite of what members want. Also, looking at their policies, little will change. Are they better than the Tories, absolutely. Are they what the country deserves, no.
Since it's become clear that the Labour Party is now headed by an ideological turncoat, how many, here, would bother to vote Labour in the next general election? After everything that Starmer has done to show where he stands, ideologically, I would be doing myself a disservice to vote Labour at the next general election. Some might say it's a gift to the Tories but it was Starmer who decided to gift the Tories with a fundamentally divided Labour Party. I didn't start the fire and it seems like Starmer doesn't give two hoots about the effect of his reckless and paranoid decisions. One thing I have come to understand is that with Starmer, the average worker has no business looking forward to any meaningful changes to their existential condition, under a Starmer premiership.
This is not about Jeremy Corbyn. It is about the grass roots membership being locked out of party decision making.
It costs tuppence halfpenny to join the Labour Party and become a “ grass roots member “. While we’re at it, just why did Corbyn impose à 3 Line whip to support a minority Tory government get Article 50 through parliament leading to a 4% drop in GDP and a loss of freedom to earn a living anywhere in Europe ??? Where was the grass roots input into that decision, and while we’re at it why did Corbyn not follow party policy and energise the Labour Party to campaign to Remain in the EU ?
@@californiadreamin8423 what difference does it make if your membership only means your vote counts when the conference is in session?, how dumb do you have to be...
@California Dreamin because Corbyn is and always has been a Brexiteer and Diane Abbott recently confirmed that. I don’t believe he even voted Remain as he claimed. Only 2 people wanted Article 50 triggered the day after the vote - Corbyn and Farage🙄
@@californiadreamin8423 exactly my sentiment
@@californiadreamin8423 at the time campaigning to rejoin the EU was political suicide, kier starmer knew that, that's why he pushed it early doors. Now when it's a more popular idea but still risky, Starmer runs from the idea of rejoining the EU, becuase he is a power hungry lying, coward.
I should have realised, this being the times, that this was going to side chiefly with good establishment figure Keir Starmer. Do you call the RW of the tories the hard right one million times when you cover Tory factions, I doubt it? The Labour Party was not set up to work primarily for the interest of times readers and you should not expect it to at the expense of the poorer and more needy.
Read the Forde Report, watch the labour files. Jeremy Corbyn was right in saying that AS was over stated and used , as well as a genuine issue. Keir Starmer himself said the issue had been used by the press for their own ends. In the time when Keir Starmer was taking a different side. The EHRC also said that the labour leadership had intervened in AS investigation , which the Forde report & labour files refuted , so Jeremy Corbyn was right in saying that he accepted most of the findings but not all
AS was in society I see it on twitter etc it's idiots posting disgusting things in society it's very hard to stop
There is 100 times more anti semitism in the Tory Party than Labour. Corbyn strongly opposed to antisemitism all his life. Anti Zionism is not antisemitism. Loads of rabbis and orthodox Jews oppose Zionism.
Let’s hope so, the left generally have been treated abominably by Keir Starmer and his top team / BTS management
Why have they been treated badly?
Their fantasy project brought about Labour's biggest defeat if you look at the final figures but for a couple of thousand votes Labour could have been wiped out so badly the SNP would have been the official opposition.
The bulk of voters are moderate and don't want the odd trillion spending on rewinding Thatcherism
Haven't they just!! 😏😏
Natural, never mind poetic justice, would demand some kind of ignominious outcome for "Sir Keith". 😏
Starmer is a puppet for Blair.Blair has ruined his own reputation and is now operating behind the smokescreen of Starmer.Are we going to fall for more Blair moves away from the basic Labour party principals???
I hope Corbyn runs as an independent and wins in Islington north
That’s fine. As long as he’s nothing to do with Labour, he can go back to his student fringe politics and do what he likes and all his little cult will be happy and I don’t begrudge them something to cheer about😂
I agree
@@adamalexander5181 I agree totally we need Corbyn to be the labour leader and we will all support him no matter what especially the Jewish communities. 🇵🇸
@@youtubing9762 You can’t even spell !! What’s your background ??
@@CEO786 You will support him “no matter what” !!! You’re a glutton for punishment.
Yes Jeremy should run as an independent
Bin Corbyn the terrorist sympathizer should leave our country....Little turd of a man can become PM of Iran 😂😂
The problem is Corbyn doesn’t have courage as he let Labour steamrolled him and he doesn’t fight back when accused of anti semitism.
It would put all this nonsense to bed. I'd be surprised if he didn't lose his deposit.
@@tonyedgecombe6631 t. Blair
@@tonyedgecombe6631 😂😂😂😂
The reporter expose their bias by constantly refering to "hard left" when refering to actual socialist MPs, and "modernisers" when refering to the right of the party. They could just refer to each wing as left or right, would give the listener a more balanced opinion then without the spin.
Yeah I winced everytime. I bet they don’t call the Tory right the Hard right repeatedly in that othering way, because they see Rishi as moderate
Exactly, as soon as someone mentions hard left, you know. They mean left as current leadership and uk is right wing
Left & right are stuck to the same body with the same head/brain which belongs to a international criminal oligarchy cabal that uses every countries as pawns on a chess board , they’ve worked out which system they want , the Chinese one , for this one world government , if you think we’re slaves to the system now just wait until the great reset comes into play where we will own nothing yet we’re supposed to like it , the powers that shouldn’t be will like it , we’ll just have to lump it
The important part of the process was that "Kier Starmer reneges on the agreement [with Jeremy Corbyn]". Starmer's behaviour since becoming leader has been anything other than that of a person with integrity.
Exactly! 👍💯
Hodge threatened to leave if Corbyn came back and that she would take 'the Jews' with her. She'd probably start calling Starmer an anti-Semite if Corbyn came back.
Starmer and his SH"ites" have the integrity of an out-house rats.
Simple as.
nobody likes Keir hes just blair 2... we need jeza back
We don’t need a racist goon back.
Sure lets keep the Tory's in power for ever
@@rodmarker2071 It is not a football match, there's no point voting for a different party if the policies are the same.
@@archvaldorexactly
@@archvaldor
How are they the same?
From everything I've seen from Starmer in the past year, I question why he identifies as a member of the Labour Party. Does he support rail workers? No. Does he support teachers? No. Does he support nurses and junior doctors? No. Has he completely ignored the Forde report? Yes. Has he kicked the former leader of the Labour Party out of the party? Yes. Has anyone ever seen John Major and Keir Starmer in the same room together? I suspect they are one and the same.
The single most important important of Starmer is to win a General Election. Corbyn failed to do that.
There is more to politics, and strategy , than standing on a picket line waiving a flag. RMT are not affiliated to the Labour Party. They made that choice, so it’s rich for you or anyone else to expect as a duty, for a Labour MP to stand on a picket line.
@@californiadreamin8423😂 That says it all about this new New Labour under Starmer's authoritarian, anti-democratic regime. Tory-lite. No thanks!
@@californiadreamin8423 Corbyn "failed" to win an election due significantly to the targeted campaign to brand him an anti-Semite based upon his criticism of Israel. I imagine Labour would have fared much better in 2019 had the party itself, as well as the media at large, not taken it upon themselves to bring down its leader.
@@californiadreamin8423 but winning on the promise of Doing most things like a centrist Tory isn’t much of a win
@@californiadreamin8423 Yes in order to win elections you have to stand for nothing and nobody every one will vote for that.
Why the Labour supporters haven't seen Starmer for what he obviously is (a Tory) and reverted to socialism supporting Corbyn as leader. Barring that he should start a socialist party of his own.
How many Tories do you know who support a wealth tax, want to ban fire and rehire and zero hour contracts, want to take climate change seriously, want to scrap Rwanda, want to invest in the NHS and want a better relationship with the E.U.?🤨
he does remind me of David Cameron "do up your shirt and tie and sing the national anthem"
The Tories run Supply Side Trickle Down Economics hence the millionaire pensioner tax cut and fiscal drag for the Plebs
Labour run a Keynesian Demand side Economic model which invests in Physical and Social infrastructure and the 2 produce completely different economies.
So stick your comparisons in the nearest garbage pit
I will not vote for Labour until they allow Jeremy to stand at the next election. The treatment of this honourable and decent man has been truly disgusting.
NO he has to be independent
Corbyn isn't honorable if he was he wouldn't have handed the Tories an 80 seat majority in 2019 but worked to form a government of national unity
The guy's hubris was so great he went to the polls with favorability -72 rating and +12 approval his polling stank more than Truss's at its worst and you have the bear faced cheek to talk about honourable
Oh yeah - let's all stand by our principles, split the vote and let the Tory's back in....🤦♂️
Karma Karl…..honourable and decent man !!! You’re blind. He betrayed you in 2016 by not energising the Labour Party to campaign for Labour policy to remain in the EU, and then he stuck the knife in by imposing a 3 line whip to support a Tory government on its knees get Article 50 through parliament and start Brexit ….in the hands of the Tories. Well you didn’t feel the knife slip between your ribs, but I bet you’re feeling it now with an economy crashing and you can’t even clear off and earn a living anywhere in Europe. When will you learn ?
@@rosendo3523 General Starmerchet is a Tory.
Times Radio referring to Jeremy Corbyn as "hard left" because he's a socialist is as ridiculous as calling capitalists hard right. And Kier Starmer not standing up to the Tories and right wing media when they use Corbyn's name as 1. a weapon agains the Labour Party, and 2. to define what the Labour Party should look like - to the point that Starmer kicks Corbyn out - is utterly weak leadership.
Exactly!💯
It 'was' the honour and privilege of Starmer's life, pity he didn't believe his own words. He allowed himself to be corrupted. A man with no honour is not a man to lead a country.
what honour did Corbyn have when he refused to allow a government of National Unity to be formed and a second referendum called in 2019 but let his hubris take over and went to the polls with a -70 approval rating
Looking at most of these comments I'm pleased to see I'm not the only person that feels this way. Labor right expect us to do for them what they never did for us.
If Nigel Farage can start his own party, Then Jeremy should go for it, he has my vote.
Nigel had the support of the media
Vote for Bin Corbyn lol 😂
I agree. All his embarrassing cult can then join that and leave Labour to the sane grown ups who actually want to win elections and not just wave Palestinian flags and excuse Putin’s brutal actions
yes
what would you be voting for? the socialist fantasy project was completely rejected by the electorate
we had 2 choices at the last GE, now we're back to having 1.
I joined PLP when JC came to the front and was proud to have done so. Once I realised they were all out to get him I lost heart. Starmer is so terrible for Labour supporters it's almost unbelievable. I have left and will never support him or his mates. Ever.
Bring back Jeremy Corbyn as Keir Starmer is just a neoliberal servant of the rich and the powerful like Tony Blair. Government for the people!
Which pamphlet did you copy that from ?
The Cult and the Tories don’t have much in common but one thing they agree on is they both want to bring back Corbyn😂
I have a question. Why are these two not questioning Starmers 'moral stand' Starmers integrity, Starmers 'unreserved' support of the aparteid state of Israel and it's murderous regime.
I HATE STARMER ,FORM ANOTHER PARTY JC THE PEOPLE PARTY .
Better idea, Corbyn should make his own party. Leave Labour, it’s too toxic with a bad history.
You’d rather the Tories stay in power than Labour win with Starmer wouldn’t you? Same old spiteful, vindictive hard left. Same people who were laughing at Eddie Marsan the other day for being bullied at school - that’s what kind of people you are
God I miss Corbyn. It felt like I might have a future, that I was represented in mainstream politics, and that this country had good days ahead. Now all of that hope is gone.
Absolutely right! When you heard the policies he was putting forward it did indeed give us hope.
This is exactly how I felt, both then, and now.
@left_blank I’m trying my hardest. The point is, a Corbyn government would have made it much easier. I could have saved more because of higher minimum wage, allowing me to spend more of my time on my career goals. I could have attended more professional conferences because of cheaper rail fares under a nationalised system. I don’t want to start a small business at the moment, but if I did, regional investment banks would have made it easier to get started.
@left_blank so your advice is “give up your dreams and do something you are poorly suited to”. No wonder we have a productivity crisis.
Yeah, I feel what you are saying. It's important to note that the establishment, banks and big business would have sabotaged any plans Corbyn had in any event.
There is no hope in the UK, because our supposed democracy is nothing more than a sham.
I hope Corbyn stands as an independent and wins, I also hope Starmer's Labour are 1 seat short of a majority.
Why are you still calling it the 'Labour Party'? It's the 'Keith Starmer Party' now.
Who is Keith?
I hope their is a Corbyn comeback. People are not going to be fooled by tory propaganda against him again.
What propaganda? You mean saying what he’s actually said and done and criticising him for it? And Corbyn is toxic to the average voter, so I suggest venturing into the real world sometime as opposed to accounts with Palestinian and Cuban flags on their profile
His own party did the damage,for what corbyn stands for.
Not in Lab..Red Ken Nd Galloway couldn't return either
Corbyn had a -70 popularity rating and was the main reason Labour took an 80 seat drubbing
@@SlowhandGreg Propaganda and blatant character assassination were the reasons for those two. Don't dress it up as anything else unless you're dumb enough to believe Labour actually has an anti Semitism problem.
Corbyn said some time ago that he would start his own political party. Nows the time to do it, because starmer's new labour is not a party he should be part of.
As doomed as ChangeUK, the SWP, The CP, the re-vamped SDP, Vanessa Redgrave's lot etc
Admiration for Corbyn and complete disgust for what starmers with the labour party
Just why did Corbyn impose à 3 Line whip to support a minority Tory government get Article 50 through Parliament ? I take it you’re happy with a 4% hit to our economy and loss of your freedom to earn a living anywhere in Europe ?
Corbyn as a Labour leader supported starting Brexit process by issuing three line whip to Labour MPs to vote for triggering article 50. Couple years later he lost an election and gave Tories 80 seat majority. Yep, clearly it is something to admire.
No Corbyn has different views which Labour cannot have
why his hubris handed the Tories an 80 seat majority in 2019 he should have worked to form a government of national unity but no he had to be leader so he got his election and went to the polls with favorability -72 rating and +12 approval his polling stank more than Truss's at its worst
Take off the rose tinted glasses and look at the the sheer carnage that decision has wrought
@@veggie42 standing with low paid workers, trade unions and not writing articles for the daily mail, the horror!
The only power I have is my vote. I will not be voting for labour for the first time in my life because what difference would it make
Silly post.
Sure. Waste your vote and then complain that Tories won again.
Wow so persuasive!! I’ve changed my mind.
No.
You’re more than your vote.
We can and must “vote” with our feet
I notice the bias towards the right in this podcast. Corbyn has been treated abominably and you describe him as taciturn! He was a personality whereas Starmer does not have one
Absolutely, a pure Westminister tittle-tattle version of events. I thought Patrick Maguire talking about his lunch with an insider at the start was very revealing. How can Starmer be described as 'decent' after the list of bald-faced lies he told to the Labour membership? Maguire, like most corporate media journalists, seems to have never heard of the leaked report that showed the scheming and hatred of the Blairites faction towards Corbyn and the left during his leadership or KC Martin Forde's report that said the media did exaggerate the claims of anti-semitism, for example, the BBC's wholly misleading Panorama report on the issue of anti-semitism. Where's the proper fact-based journalism on the situation? Not here, that's for sure!
But he is an out n out communist. Flush the turd .
Corbyn was serious about wanting real.change. if that makes him taciturn then maybe we need more of it.
My heart bleeds for Corbyn. You’re all happy with Brexit I take it and the damage to our economy and our loss of freedom. Give your brains a chance.
Why should personality matter?
My God, let's hope so! That would be amazing!
I hope he comes back
I think this move lost the left. If Corbyn formed a party, it would cost labour significantly. I might go as far as to say, Labour will be done.
I think he should and bring over his allies and have people against them
Lost the left? Is that maybe a very small but loud minority?
Could call it 'True Labour.'
Not for nothing, but…
what is the source of the suggestion that Corbyn would support putin and/or the Kremlin?
One doesn’t expect push back on such an assertion in a times interview, but…
Come on!
He literally said the Ukrainians have a right to defend themselves and he would be supplying them with weapons. In an actual Times interview.
Corbyn has been one of Putin's most vocal, and consistent critics, as it happens, and rightly so. But as that doesn't fit the narrative that the right wing press promulgate, you rarely hear it in our media.
yes bring back corbyn
Yes corbyn will run in starmers constitcheny as an independent end of starmer corbyn will win by a country mile
That would be absolutely delicious!
Is there that much support for corbyn in that constituency?
Not a chance 😂
Don't be daft, Corbyn would crush any opposition that Labour would try to place in Islington North, but Starmer's constituency is somewhat different to IN.
Hope so, he would wipe the floor with Keith. Millions would vote for him,a man with principles, that's rare in a politician.
Didn't happen in the last election. That should have been an easy win for Labour but they threw it away because of Corbyn and his politics.
Yes and also help as there's two different sides competing in the same party doesn't work as 2019 showed
Who is Keith?
@@bwright227 Rodney then,
@@rachelhoward334 who?
I am sure that Jeremy Corbyn will be elected as an Independent MP for Islington North and then will have the Labour whip restored.
A Corbyn comeback is a threat to us all. 💡 I’d support Corbyn if he would go against starmer 😂.
Brainwashed nonsense
It is a threat to banker, tories and their tedious sycophants. It would be a blessing to the rest of us.
Indeed Bin Corbyn is a threat to Britain 😂😂😂 Majority of our population would like to send him to Iran and then cancel his passport
@@archvaldor You’re not too bright are you !!! Corbyn is rather old don’t ye know.
@@californiadreamin8423 "Corbyn is rather old don’t ye know." And you are obviously a spring chicken with your cutting edge reference to 1960's pop culture....
A centre right view of events
Corbyn has my vote
That's a shame.labour is Corbyn's life.
Not the only one Galloway and Livingstone..
You lost me at ‘Clause 4 moment’ four mins in. If this is some kind of ra ra dance for Blair I am not interested.
Y’all work for Murdoch, I guess I shouldn’t have given you that much of a chance.
Nice to see so much support for Jeremy Corbyn in the comments. He is much maligned, but actually stands up for the vulnerable and underprivileged, a constituency that is only likely to grow as neoliberalism scorched earth tactics stampede onwards.
Bit prejudiced, isn't it?
Starner is just a stuffed suit , absolutely empty & completely a establishment puppet , his a proper snake how he turned on Jeremy Corbyn like a hissing , smiling snake 🐍
Tommy Corbyn vs Starmer in Holborn would be amazing
yes
Tommy all the way!
Whatever you think of Jeremy Corbyn, at least he's more interesting than the wallpaper in front of which he stands 😊
Why do you find garden gnomes interesting?
More importantly, he has more integrity.
@@babymonalisa Bin Corbyn has Less lntegrity than a Stinking Dog Turd.......Nice to see how intelligent these Eastbourne lasses are 😂😂
Yep...Bin Corbyn is the dog turd on the wall paper....😂😂
I joined the Labour Party on the back of Jeremy Corbyn. To watch him being thrown under the bus is quite frankly disgraceful and I can't find a word in my dictionary to describe it. "Treachery" comes close but it's not even near to describing the depths to which our political process won't delve in persuit of their own vanity!
We need a corbin leadership in labour and a julius causer job on starmer!
If Corbyn stands as an independent, I would vote for him .
Do you live in Islington?
Lots of labour voter will not vote labour because of starker we all like corbyn
I wish Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana would join the greens and lead them to victory.
The Greens are unelectable in rural and blue collar areas.
They are an authoritarian. Anti working class party sadly not like the greens of the 1990s
'If you don't like that .......... You can leave' That was it That was the moment ....that was the perfectly timed coup FU KS
#ItWasAScam
Guys our Democracy is on the fringes of collapse....we need a referendum on capital punishments ...we need to reexamine our tax system...and Downsize our monarchy ....we must do first past the post voting...and accept that the past is just that...Think uk
It's hard to tell what Mr. S stands for. Maybe the House just ran out of seating. 🤔(Green Fire, UK) 🌈🦉
Starmer will soon see the power of our Movement, when Unite votes to defund the Labour Party.
I sincerely hope so
I will never vote labour as long that tory is the leader
I think he's like Cameron in 2005
Come on Jeremy come on Jeremy come on Jeremy come on come on .
No one would expect John and Diane to be openly supporting Jeremy Corbyn bec they would loose their whip. That doesn’t mean they are not making it clear that they think Keir Starmer is acting awfully. Not exactly a trap. For labour Jeremy Corbyn standing aNd winning, as he will, will be a huge distraction and embarrassment - ofcourse this side isn’t mentioned by the times. What those of us on the left are hoping is that Keir Starmer going forward has his power tempered by being made to work with strong and more decent men like Ed Lib Dem and Hamza youssef SNP. A LW alliance is better than Keir Starmer
Yes they should cross to Jeremy
Funny, Blair a war criminal is still in the party.
Corbyn the best prime minister we never had.
The right wing media and the right wing of the Labour party would never have let him become PM
Starmer does not represent workers and the vulnerable. He doesn’t give a damn if the education and health will be handed over to big private companies.
Maybe when Jeremy is re-elected leader he will be more venomous and less ready to entertain the ridiculousness of the media
Yeah, I was always frustrated he never seemed to spell out the facts. He's said since how corrupt the system was that took him down and got Boris in - the threats from the establishment, military and security, even foreign powers - but at the time he just wasted microphone time every time someone put one in his face, making vague uninspiring remarks about how bad a job the Conservatives were doing and how he was ready to step in. He desperately needs some PR training.
UK politics, if you're racist, pro establishment, pro status quo and hate the poor, you will do well. I'm very interested to see how Kier fares in the elections. Apparently 2\3rds of UK want an alternative to the big two parties. No new party has a chance without the backing of the media, look at ukip, no issues there. It seems more people are losing faith in the media. It's insane. Compare Linekar's treatment for a factual comment talking about language to the entire media completely destroying Corbyn daily for years, with the most horrendous accusations, personal attacks from all sorts of celebrities etc. Our democracy is so bad, I'm starting to worry America might invade us.....
“Hard left” equals political representation for average working people. We can’t possibly have that as they’d afford housing and food, during a cost of living crisis.
It’s almost as if Times radio is owned by some insatiable billionaire lol.
I truly hope so.
Labour is dead..... making Sunak look good. I hope Starmer gets ousted by Posie Parker.
I am not a labour supporter but I think he truly is a man of integrity and one of the few i believe is an mp for the right reasons unlike all the others on both sides of the house who are just a disgrace to the fundamentals of a democracy. If he became leader, i would vote for him, never starmer and as for blair, he should be behind bars forever for what he did to iraq
I support corbyn
Kier forgets how many loyal supporters Jeremy has and it will be his downfall.
I'm voting Tory. A direct attack on Starmer. Get the right of Labour out.
Labour will find a way to wreck its chances yet again....
Still not a word from anyone about The Labour Files.
Bring back Corbin asap as Starmer has dementia.
Kier made tribute to Jeremy and then kicks him out👎🏼
Spineless character you will not get my vote.
I sincerely hope so
For the love of God, let us hope so!
Keef Stalin is here to stay, just saying.
Has Corbin been shot or sent to a Labour camp ??
hahaha Keef Camden Caner
Who?
Oohhh Jeremy Corbyn
Grassroots against the EU .. Now look at us!!! ... He wanted OUT! #taxdodger ... Imagine not paying tax -How much would your paycheck be worth? ... #cafemam
I left the Labour Party after snake Starmer betrayed Jesus...sorry JC..I will campaign for people to vote anything but Labour under this lying deceiver..I am a 68 year old ex schoolteacher Tony Benn style Labour guy....
As usual with much of the media, more interesting for that which it omits.
No mention of Martin Forde KC’s report & concern of the hierarchy of racism within Labour. No mention of the fact that Corbyn was average workers one hope for worker power in a cost of living crisis.
No mention of the loss of 150,000 plus members. A number much higher than the total membership of the Tory party. These people then pass as journalists??
Totally fascinating.
Why not mention the values driven leadership of Corbyn? Why not mention the fact that he didn't have the disastrous results in 2019 that is commonly reported. In fact the share of the vote was still larger share than many other Labour leaders except Blair. And of course the 2017 result had a second highest share of the vote since 1945. Of course I'm aware that we don't have proportional representation but what it does indicate is that there were tens of thousands of people scattered across the UK that supported Corbyn and his transformational policies. So why are we continuing to perpetuate this myth?. If he is crotchety it is perhaps no wonder. He was vilified both inside and outside the party so much so that the LSE produced a report From Watchdog to Attack dog.
9:45
How about a simple contest, Jeremy vs Smarmer. Now that would conclusively prove, who the members want. They pay for the privelidge. Smarmers leadership shoein was as dodgy as Fk FFS!!!!!!
This kind of behaviour from Starmer is honestly very very worrying, and dangerous for British democracy.
Whatever you think of Corbyn, and there is legitimate criticism to be made, he also undeniably represents a major element of our society and an important part of our political tradition.
The idea that you can just exclude a whole type of politics, a whole element of our national debate, from politics like this is authoritarian in the extreme.
If this Stalinist approach is how Starmer runs his own party, I am scared to see how he will run the state.
Are you serious starmerism there is no such thing. emulating the Tories on on-policy more like he stands for nothing when it comes to real policy issues and integrity😂 starmer who ran on a left wing policy platform to get elected as leader of the Labour party and since becoming leader as abandoned all his pledges on all the 10 policy issues he said he stood by. This is the same person who called Jeremy Corbyn a friend while in the shadow cabinet under Corbyn and running for the leadership of the party and said the attacks on his integrity was disgraceful and now uses those very unfounded accusations and uses them the same way the Torys and the establishment and right wing media did in a attempt to destroy his political message with lies and distortion yes he lost to elections but combined 24 million people voted for his leadership of the Labour party under his radical agenda to change Britain for the better
Starmer should have kept him in. There have always a few far-left idiots on the Labour back benches. Just as there are a few far-right idiots on the Tory back benches. Corbyn's leasdership was an anomaly.
If Corbyn wins a seat as an Independent would Labour let him back in the party? Starmer has welcomed some Tory MPs who have crossed the floor to join Labour.
Corbyn has good principles but he was an easy target for the right wing press. That's why we got lumbered with Boris and his bodged Brexit.
Kier Starmer is the most spineless politician I have ever seen. You would have to be treacherous on a while other level to support his treachery. I believe even the Tories have more integrity than Kier Starmer and his rent boys. That said, I probably won't be voting next term.
please bring corbyn back! itll be hilarious, labour is really boring now, they hardly have any mp's left to bully
All bullies are cowards. They put others down to feel better about themselves. Who goes online and tells the world they're an insecure coward lol
@@alidentity if they ever dared to leave London none of them would even exist anymore lol
He's like Boris Nigel and Donald
No.
Likes to views ratio says all you need to know about this anti left discussion
Clause 4 talks about common ownership not nationalisation.
shallow establishment commentary, frankly
The UK’s Overton Window is scary.
Corbyn will stand as an independent, and I hope he wins. As for Labour members, a lot of them are just being ignored, so more will probably leave. If Labour win the next GE, Starmer will ultimately fail, as there will be more autocracy; the opposite of what members want. Also, looking at their policies, little will change. Are they better than the Tories, absolutely. Are they what the country deserves, no.
Since it's become clear that the Labour Party is now headed by an ideological turncoat, how many, here, would bother to vote Labour in the next general election?
After everything that Starmer has done to show where he stands, ideologically, I would be doing myself a disservice to vote Labour at the next general election. Some might say it's a gift to the Tories but it was Starmer who decided to gift the Tories with a fundamentally divided Labour Party. I didn't start the fire and it seems like Starmer doesn't give two hoots about the effect of his reckless and paranoid decisions.
One thing I have come to understand is that with Starmer, the average worker has no business looking forward to any meaningful changes to their existential condition, under a Starmer premiership.
No he needs his new party so that he makes his mark his way and Labour doesn't work