Could Iroh Defeat Ozai During Sozin’s Comet?
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- If Aang could not face Ozai, could Iroh really take him?
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If Aang could not face Ozai, could Iroh really take him?
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Antoine Bandele aaah it was in the replies didn't see.
could you do King Bumi vs Combustion man?
Antoine Bandele let's see, Iroh vs Ozai, who would win?
If I was a betting man I would put my money on Iroh, why? Because
1. He's powerful too in his own right, his own father was going to make him fire Lord of the fire nation.
2. He has experience on the battlefield
3. He has both techniques and abilities that his brother don't have
4. In his prime, he was a legend, he was known as the dragon of the West
5. He's wise, calm, collected, clever, and smart.
6. He was a prodigy like both his brother and his niece azula.
7. He has multiple fighting styles but he only uses one element (fire) , meaning he fights as though he was the avatar.
That's why I think that Iroh would win in a fight between him and his brother Ozai. 😏fr
Ps, I'm surprised that you don't have a million subscribers by now, I like your videos bro. 😀
Antoine Bandele Could you please make up a geek talk or a versus series of a fight between the two kings - Fire Lord Ozai and King Bumi?
Iroh: I don't want to have to kill you, brother.
Ozai: Coffee is better than tea.
Iroh: So, you have chosen death...
Lol
Lmao
Underrated
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glad to be youre 700e like
Everyone talking about how old Iroh is, and yet Bumi is like 112, and we see what he can do!
Thats..... true.
Technically Bumi had to wait for the day of black sun to beat back the fire nation.
Wait, then aang and bumi are the same age?
@m5vn gaming I google it and aang and bumi were indeed born in the same year
i think iroh is at the peak of his ability during sozins comet, he was a beast
Everyone talks about how Iroh generates lightning so slow because he was showing Zuko, but let's not forget he was also injured at the time
Yes!
It isn’t a good point because firebender that shoot lightning instantly like azula and Ozai did it because it was part of the reflexes. They shot it during battle. However, we know mako can shoot his lightning in one second but in the final stand, he takes his time. Iroh was only showing zuko the power of lightning because he wanted zuko to master the basic movements of lightning before actually generating it in one second.
@@dominic7038 and in ba sing sei he made lightning fast
And I dont think he was GOING ALL OUT while he was next to his Nephew lol
@@dominic7038 actually, mako's lightning isn't the same as from the first series, the ATLA series lightning is like a bolt, a thunder bolt, a quick and fatal blow, where as what mako uses is a weaker stream of lightning which isn't fatal but rather incapacitates.
The best part about irohs character is that we never see him show his full power.
Not to mention he can be powerful in his calm state, i.e: his dragon of the west moment
The most powerful feat, I think, was blasting the thick-ass wall of ba Sing Se with a single strike.
Who says
I honestly agree with this. He was so calm and collective all the time. He never had to show his full power or ability. In quick bursts we see it, but he never actually unleashes it. Its almost like the sun just lashing out little solar flares. He only uses what he knows will beat his opponent. Sadly, unless he plans to kill his own brother, Im not sure.
Because he never believed in the use of destruction and death to begin with. Even before his son's death, he had a kind heart and was enlightened. He naturally is a better and wiser bender than Ozai. That is pretty obvious. However in terms of raw power it's hard to decide cause we have never seen Iroh going all out. Even he destroyed Ba Sing se's wall, he was calm, composed and not using more force than needed
Lol ohzai had to give himself the name “the Phoenix king”. The people willingly called iroh “the dragon of the west”.
Iroh straight up says he doesnt know if he could beat Ozai
Facts
Matt Preston That doesn’t mean he can’t beat Ozai,you know that right?
@@prooziplayer3478 But it does mean he isnt guaranteed to win against Ozai
@@prooziplayer3478 iroh can beat both father daughter duo azula and ozai at once
Yeah, but I like Iroh more, so you’re wrong
This is 99% of the comments when a fan favorite doesnt win in these VS series ;)
Yeah opinions are facts so no one can disagree with an opinion
Hmmmmmnmmm nah understand that ozai would win more likely truth be told
I like Iroh more too but Ozai would stomp him. If we compare their feats during Sozin's Comet we clearly see that Ozai is more powerful. He can even conjure up lighting faster than any other firebender in the show
I love Ozai
I think an important part of the question is "why would Iroh fight Ozai?". The most like scenario would be both Aang and Zuko have been killed and Iroh realises "Ozai must be stopped, no matter the cost". Another factor is victory conditions. Ozai must survive to win, Iroh does not. Mutual destruction is a win for Iroh.
Iroh and Jeong Jeong are two characters I wish we could have seen at full power more. They were clearly in the top tier of firebenders, but we can really only speculate what they are fully capable of
Jeong Jeong used fire bending on a comet empowered level even without the comet. He had raw power. I think that is the reason he put such emphasis on control. It was his own weakness.
Something we never see but is alluded to us Iroh had dragon fire, considered canonically the strongest fire bending possible.
@@Engine33Truckdragon fire isn’t the strongest stop making head canons😂
@@JuniorMarzy it’s not a head canon, educate yourself. The creators themselves literally said that “dragon fire is the strongest type of fire bending”
Funny part about these two brothers, we actually don’t ever see them interact on the show at all lol
Very perceptive of you
Yeah I would love to see them interact. Maybe in the live action series.
Tatenda Nyashanu hell no
@@indergill5532 why not
@@everburn disaster. The dragon of the west vs most powerful firebender.
Let’s not forget Iroh beat an earth bender by using a rock. That he caught midair. With a chain.
Iroh is the true avatar so ofc he did
He was earth and metal bending at the same time
MrOiram46 um I don’t want to start anything but bumi could not metal bend
@@jeuviongeldorp6870 bruh
@@jeuviongeldorp6870 he was saying that because he used metal chain to deflect a rock, it was like IROH(not buumi) was earth and metal bending
Iroh's goal was to open a hole in the wall to retake the earth capital, Ozai wanted to torch the earth kingdom to ashes... Different motives, different degree of strength used. Also Ozai didn't challenge Iroh directly for the throne, but used a sneaky method when Iroh was depressed about his son's death and it still didn't involve strength. Iroh would whoop his ass anyday.
Hey did you ever consider that maybe had he fought iroh that he would be considered a traitor and would have had to fight iroh and the rest of the fire nation
@@johnpauldriskill8737 beating someone in an agni kai fair and square would not make you a traitor at all, if ozai were to challenge iroh it would probably be through the agni kai, so no not a traitor lol
@@getnoobified707 but iroh could have said no and we don’t know how challenges for the throne work in the fire nation
@@johnpauldriskill8737 the agni kai is a fire nation tradition to usually settle something, we can see that it can be used for the throne like with azula vs zuko
@@getnoobified707 oh yeah you’re right idk maybe ozai just thought this was easier
You see Iroh use lightning pretty quickly while he’s running, when he blasts a wall at the Earth Kingdom of Ba Sing Se and jumps out after they find out Azula is infiltrating it
The scene in the video was Iroh teaching Zuko lighting bending. When you teach someone something you do it slower then you normally would.
@@schumerthd precisely
I ask my self if this guy has eyes iroh was only there as a guardian and ozai the last fight the pressure and preparation are different
@@schumerthd and the fact that zuko is able to deflect ozai's lightning
Lol I like that they didn't really show it but u can see the lightning streaks blast the wall,
Burning a stone wall with fire is more impressive than burning trees
underrated
Facts
This needs more upvotes.
Have you tried burning thick and moist wood in a blink of an eye? Burning trees is far more impressive than blasting a wall of dried clay.
Iroh was being controlled however. He never tries to kill so he exerts less by control.
“Iroh is too old”
Bumi and Kyoshi: 😔
Kyoshi was also using a technique that kept her in her physical prime.
Just cause your capable of fighting incredible in a fight doesn't mean you'd be as capable as your prime. Bumi is strong but he's probably way stronger in his prime I would imagine. Iroh is indeed capable but not as Ozai who is younger, stronger, and more agile. It's honestly pretty obvious who would win and although Iroh is more skilled that wouldn't be enough to ignore all of Ozai's advantages. That being said if this was prime Iroh the battle would probably be a wash. Anyways I hate how people mention old characters who strong as an argument like they aren't affected by age. Kyoshi is different I'd say though. I honestly am unsure when and how age affects her but probably why she lived so long was because she was the Avatar which may have factored in. But you can't really compare Avatar's to the norm.
Lord Escanor did you see iroh when he was locked up he was a one man army when he escaped from the fire nation prison he looked jacked
@@lordescanor1365 Kyoshi lived for so long because she unlocked the key to immortality thanks to Lao Ge a 200 year old Daofei criminal who taught her how to precisely kill like an assassin.
@@walnut2446
Thanks wasn't aware of that.
10:45
No, it's because in Fire Nation tradition, you don't interrupt an Agni Ki.
It's a "Fire Duel to the Death" between the two (unless like Zuko, they decide to spare the loser.) So interrupting one would be considered 1) Shameful/Dishonorable. And 2) Would essentially be a forfeit for the person they're interrupting it for, as it would prove they couldn't win.
well that and the fact that the pretty much all the most powerful fire benders in the world are in that one room
Source?
@@anomalyrrrd common sense and the ability to comprehend context
Ok if Ozai vs avatar state was him doing “pretty good” we must have different definitions of “good”. He literally spent the entire avatar state running for his life. Though he did a good job of running if that’s what you meant.
"Iroh is at a disadvantage because he's old"
*Avatar Kyoshi (230 years old) would like to know your location*
😂😂
Kiyoshi lived HOW LONG?!
@@Y0ungki11a206 The avatars in general tended to live 200+ years. Aang was cut short due to the stress of being in the avatar state for 100 years. The previous avatar (Roku?) died due to the volcano and Sozin's inaction, not old age.
XDDD
@@Kmmlc No, in the novel Rise of Kyoshi, she learned the secrets of imortality from an imortal assassin. She's the oldest avatar ever. I also believe that avatars don't live long lives in general, since they face cataclysmic dangers all the time, the avatar before Kyoshi (Kuruk) only lived to 33.
“The Dragon of the West” is such a dope name. So much better than “The Phoenix King”
i dont understand how people think Ozai is more powerul Iroh is much bigger and blew down the entire Ba sing se wall
Did u not watch the vid? The creators said ozai is stronger so therfore he is🤷♂️ iroh is just everyone's favorite so the can't stand the fact that ozai is stronger
King ducky can u stand it
@@daylonvaughn4299 i feel like ozai is stronger in brute strenght while iroh is a more skilled and creative firebender that invents methods like lightning redirecting
Eshwar Tangirala comparing their fire bending during the comet. Ozai’s Fire was more fearsome and powerful, legit sounded like someone screaming or something. Ozai’s ability to generate lightning was more swift and flows better then both iroh and azula.
Iroh: *attacks ba sing sei for 600 days*
Also iroh: *blows a hole in side of ba sing sei with a single blast of fire*
Ikr he’s just over exaggerating ozai
There wasn’t any Sozin’s comet during the Siege lmao
SOZINS COMET BUFF
Ozai: Stays in the palace throughout his life, cowers in bunker during eclipse.
Iroh: *Smashes his way through the Earth Kingdom, “metal-bends” out of his cage with his bare hands in prison during eclipse*
I think we know who’s the real winner here.
Yeah, I think the "iroh is older" point is kinda overstated, especially when taking swole iroh into account, I think Iroh could win the fight. Gonna go 50/50
The creators said that Ozai is stronger,end of discussion.
I believe he just burned the metal, Toph was the only metal bender at the time and Iroh was only a firebender.
Even Zuko in S1 had enough strength to break Steel chains.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner joke? Iroh's firebending is shooting fire low range and failing to hit his targets. Bro isn't nearly as mobile, powerful, durable, and experienced in 1v1 combat as ozai
I don't think Ozai can generate lighting faster than Iroh, when he did it slow it was for zuko to see how to do it.
yup, and Iroh is shown to be able to generate lightning in an instant in season 2 finale when he blasts the wall of the Earth kingdom palace to flee from Azula and the Daili
Nobody can redirect lightning.Iroh invented the technique himself.only him,zuko and aang know how to redirect lightning
@@Phoenix-King-ozai all your argument points are bland lol besides all firebending techniques were basically amplified during the comet. even azula created lightning while mentally unstable.
@@Handsomesquidward52 and mako
exactly what i thought
Using that clip of Iroh lightning seems really unfair... Iroh's ARM was injured severely AND he was doing it slowly to demonstrate it to Zuko.
i agree I don't know about the comic but i think if iroh i was serious he can generate a very strong lightning
But with the vs series he only goes off of concrete evidence
Peb but how could there be concrete evidence without iroh being at 100%
YNG_ LORXD that’s why he’s not using young iroh🤦🏾♂️
Peb there hasn’t been much abt young iroh u say concrete evidence but there can’t be nun u kinda contradicting yourself
Ozai: you can't win, you're a old fat...
(Iroh take of his shirt)
Ozai (nervously sweating)
Ozai is still in better shape and has a better proportioned bone/skeleton structure
Iroh is just stockier cause he is short
@@newhybrid101 rude
In a world of bending everyone forgets about physicality and just how brutal it could be
@@newhybrid101 "better proportioned bone/skeleton structure" sounds like some aesthetic eugenics shit. Iroh is definitely in better shape by the time he gets shredded, and bone structure proportions are so far from being relevant that it's laughable
@@uncroppedsoopozai is still in better shape lmao he’s been that ripped for years
"Ozai is the most powerful firebender. Period."
Iroh: Hold my tea
He is tho the creators of the show even said it
The fact that he's the most powerful firebender doesn't make him better than iroh.
@@abcapone2912 don’t take everything they said at face value
Zuko : hold my insane sister
@@abcapone2912 Powerful doesn't mean the best. In war, the powerful ones don't always win. The one with better plans and strategies do
Ozai can’t redirect lightning so iroh could just spark him🤷🏽♂️when aang was about to redirect his lightning ozai looked like a deer in headlights
Exactly.
Ozai> Iroh on power
Iroh> Ozai on tactics
KING 〽 Ozai was just shocked that aang could redirect lightning
@@Oatmeal_n_soup No. They play conflicting music while Aang is hesitating to kill him with the redirect while ozai realises hes about to die.
Lmao can’t dodge all the lightning
The only reason Ozai was stunned by Aang redirecting lighting was because he had no clue he could do that. Ozai is aware Iroh can do it, and probably wouldn't try. Now, you are right that Ozai can't deflect lightning, so potentially Iroh could hit him with lightning of his own, but I doubt Ozai would let him get a shot like that off.
Iroh doesn't need bending to be called "one man army".... take notes
@@Phoenix-King-ozai all firebenders were basically monsters during the comet tho. we all got to see jeong jeong, iroh, imperial firebenders show remarkable power.
@@Phoenix-King-ozai More powerfull than Iroh? probably. But more skilled than Iroh? i think no. Ozai only knows how to use brute strength to win a fight and his cunning brain to trick his enemies, but he has no control over his power. If you cant control your power, you are not skilled in using them.
Kodukula Anirudh yes. Ozai is in his prime. While iroh is past his prime. They are brothers so it would not surprise me that both in their prime were as powerful as each other.
@@Phoenix-King-ozai I would like to add one more thing,
Iroh breathes fire while Ozai uses it as a tool.
When Ozai destroyed Earth Kingdom forest, he needed his hands to generate the firepower, On the other hand, the blast that destroyed outer wall was generated through Iroh's breath.
If in the show they are comparable in a fight, then I'm pretty sure if Iroh was Ozai's age then Iroh would probably win. Not a stomp though, he would wear Ozai out or outsmart him. Iroh can mount a strong offense against Ozai and yeah Ozai's offense would be more powerful but probably not as tactical or precise. Iroh mechanically is the best firebender we have seen in the show. He showed more skill in firebending than any other bender, with his precise and lightning-quick movements and his fire breathing. If you can think of something to do with fire, chances are Iroh is a master at it. Iroh can blow fire so it's likely he knows how to do other very advanced bending. Iroh also used more fighting styles than Ozai, meaning he branched out more and learned more than Ozai and can pull from all that knowledge. I'm also meaning precise and control more like if you had to sustain the perfect amount of fire on a target at range for a very specific amount of time and it had to be the same amount of fire exerted the entire time, then Iroh would be better at that than Ozai, if you had them do it 10 times Iroh would probably win 9 of 10 times at least. Iroh is like the Pro RLCS Rocket league player Jstn in mechanical abilities, Ozai is more like Jknaps. Jstn can do anything he wants with the ball, and Iroh can do anything he wants with fire, Jknaps is a more overwhelming player and can get ahead of himself but has a lot of potential to pop off, just like Ozai. Jstn is more balanced and can style on you more than Jknaps, but Jknaps will probably score more against you with his tenacity. Ozai is only comparable to Jknaps if Jknaps is consistently good. Jstn is fairly consistent and uses very little boost and very efficient with every movement, and Jknaps uses more boost and isn't quite as efficient but still very efficient compared to other players.
11:50 have to severely disagree, Aang is a water bender and knows the basics of lightning redirection already because it was based on waterbending. Iroh studied the elements for years, only then could he teach Zuko. I doubt that Ozai or Azula could ever harness this ability on their own
I agree with you. Even after learning from Iroh n succeeding in redirecting Ozai's lightning, Zuko's skills were still unpolished since he couldn't properly redirect Azula's lightning during their Agni Kai leaving him injured so redirecting lightning still requires more time to properly perfect the technique.
@@syrusangi8743 Zuko was jumping while he was redirecting the bolt. I think that's why he was hurt by that
Azula is a prodigy. So she probably has learned how to do it on her own (Smoke and Shadow comic). There was nobody to teach her
@@syrusangi8743 o Zuko não conseguiu redirecionar porque ela mirou na Katara e o Zuko teve que pular na frente para a Katara não ser atingida, mas se a Azula não tivesse jogado sujo, o Zuko teria redirecionado o raio de boa,inclusive ele até já estava se preparando para isso.
Azula actually ended up doing so, just from seeing Zuko do it. And mid-tier firebenders like Zolt could do it as well.
When iroh says he doesn't know if he could beat ozai, I think he is talking about if he would be able to kill his own brother... I think it's about love and family, not power or age.
Ozai would win stop being delusional
@mufasaescanor6404 Just redirects lightning at him and it's over in 2 seconds 🙄
@@fleurfriend iroh can redirect lightning yes but can he redirect 2?
No, he is clearly referring to his ability to defeat Ozai, as he knows that he has to do what he has to do. He stops caring about Azula when she almost killed him, saying 'she's crazy and needs to go down'. Why would it be different for Ozai?!
@@mufasaescanor6404 if iroh would redirect lightnig back to ozai it would insta kill lol
Iroh: I don't know if I could defeat Ozai.
Also Iroh: *single handedly blows a hole in the wall of Ba Sing Se*
Ozai: Burns an entire lake
by taking deep breathes
menacemarco1989
its concentration
@@JP-wt4zr bolth are incredibly impressive feats, but at least with real fire the force involved is almost nonexistent, it's primarily heat. So boiling a lake away is an immense feat, but iroh would be relying on the combustion of air molecules in an open area to punch a hole in that wall, which in real life would be nearly impossible, or he was making fire so hot that it was turning hundreds of tons of stone immediately into gasses, which is also much more impressive. Also I know that in the show firebending is not very realistic in how it impacts people, but it is very hard to judge anyways so I feel like looking to reality cant hurt too mutch
Btw, I know this is late but avatar is always relevant
menacemarco1989 Iroh and Ozai’s firebending came from different places. Ozai’s fire came from anger and hatred, while Iroh’s fire came life and breath. This is because Iroh learnt from the dragons while Ozai was taught by humans.
IMAGINE SPARKY SPARKY BOOM MAN DURING OZAI'S COMET👁👄👁
Dezzie Mob death is every where
Behold the invention of nuclear bombs in the Avatar universe.
His power involves heat but in an explosive way so I don’t think that’s how that works
Sparky sparky nuke man
WHAT THA FU- *BOOOOOOOM*
"The output is simply more with Ozai"
Not necessarily seeing as how every other firebender on those airships were outputting the same amount of fire as Ozai
Thoughts?
Also, he based the timing of Iroh's lightning on a demonstration as teacher. A maths teacher for example is way faster than any of his students, but goes slower to explain it better.
Every firebender on the ship was putting a ton of fire because of the comet, but if you check again it wasnt the same output as Ozai, his was longer and spread wider too, you can see this in the overhead shot they put there, also, it would make sense in universe for those fire benders to be elite level, since they are the ones accompanying him in setting fire to the Earth Kingdom
@@XxFATfishREBORNxX while I can grant you all of that. I still say that it's not very good power scaling. Sure those were fire bending Masters and everything but they weren't Iroh level...
If Iroh was on one of those warships his blasts would have been pretty much indistinguishable from Ozai's
I'm just saying that in terms of pure output there is no real way to know if iro or ozai had more.
@@panagiotistheocharis2299
" iroh made his best attack in the series with 5 breaths taking down the walls ozai made he airship attack with a single breath"
Well besides the scene establishing the comet's power with Iroh's line just before literally being about the crazy powerful feeling, Iroh also broke through the Ba Sing Se wall which the drill took hours-days to do. That is WAY more raw force. Imagine how much power it takes to give fire the density to break through a hardened stone wall with no fragmentation points due to it being made by earthbenders. Iroh has the far superior feat regardless. As well it isnt implied that the series of breaths helped him put out more power and visually is exactly the same as a powerlifter exhaling several times before a big lift.
"People say iroh is more skilled, which I dont believe since ozai could fly and he did it with little effort and with full control suggesting he had already practised it"
Flying is a measure of power since he is essentially just creating thrusters. You can make a case for agility since he adjusts direction very quickly, but a single skill does not state overall skill when said skill is primarily rooted in power output. As well Iroh's style is literally about being rooted, as he taught Zuko. Flying is not all that useful to him in any avatar circumstance presented, and we cannot assume that iroh CANT fly.
"He is way more agile and fast judjig by how much time he was able to evade avatar state aang, while also throwing attacks that aang in avatar state needed to defend against and not just shrug off"
Iroh was able to completely disable the bending of both zhao and azula from several feet away. He clearly has the superior speed physically. As well he weighs more and is likely a lot stronger for that reason. Beyond that he is the only one in the entire show that is able to react to REAL lightning, no warning, no prep, during a crisis. And there is no evidence aang had to deal with it, simply that he was on auto-pilot and that was the most efficient method. Iroh up close didnt even attempt hand to hand combat against a CHILD and tried to use bending which availed him nothing. Single minded, not super intelligent, and ineffective
"He could also breathe a very big amount of fire and every move of his showed great skill"
He showed a mastery over the movements that run in his family. But he never shows the level of overall skill that iroh demonstrates
@@XxFATfishREBORNxX yeah, those were probably the strongest benders Ozai had
I think it's important to note that Iroh controlled his blast against Ba Sing Se's wall to ensure civillians in the outer rim did not get injured from the debree and also as he only needed a relatively large opening for the White Lotus to get through, not needing to disintegrare the whole wall for that.
Ozai on the other hand was trying to destroy as much as possible, and thus his fire blasts were bigger and seemingly more powerful.
Iroh's attack still took time to charge
@@anomalyrrrdit took time because he wasn't aiming to do maximum damage. It's easier snd faster to Break something with a sledgehammer than it is to surgically handle with less damage in mind.
@@august7134 Iroh compressed his fire into an attack and threw it at the wall.. Compressed attacks are always going to do more damage, it was not some finely-controlled attack. Yet it still took Iroh six deep breaths to charge it up.
Why doesn't Iroh just sing Leaves from the Vines, and cry Ozai to death.
Oh yeah even leaves from the vine can even make the strongest man shed a tear.
@@tonyt4720 Only if the person actually has empathy and sympathy which Ozai has neither.
And show him the picture of him when he was a kid and he will be a good man again
Ozai don't even care about iroh and his deid son ,heis too evil and care only about for power ,so the song is useless
Empathy is not something you can find in Ozai.
Don't forget that aang held off the fight because he did not want to kill ozai. Also the comet gave ozai a power boost. Iroh is more rounded and skillfull.
Elijah Senju exactly! I think ppl are forgetting that Ozai could’ve been finished without Aang going in the Avatar state. If Aang wasn’t a pacifist the fight would’ve been over very quick.
@@Phoenix-King-ozai Iroh didn't display that much power in the comet lol. He just burned a flag and used a little fire
@@raminahhas4077 he blasted a hole in the outer wall of ba sing se. By himself.
And rounded in more way than one 😂🤣
I agree. Without the comet Aang probably would have put down Ozai relatively easily, even without killing him.
The fact that Iroh can counter lightning proves to me that he can come out victorious if he really wanted to. I mean Ozai was taken off guard by this ability twice in the series and both times he only survived bc his opponents decided to be nonlethal
if zuko can react then so can ozai meaning he could just move out the way
@@kenrock7227 they literally just had him standing there when both zuko and aang countered his lightning insinuating that he had no time to react. Which makes sense bc it usually takes a second to charge that lighting but it takes no time at all for the person countering to send it right back at them
@@CH1LLS. i’m mean that’s nice and all be to counter something means you have to be able to react and move relative to it. iroh and zuko have done this multiple times with lightning and since ozai scales above them he would as well along him the simple ability to sidestep any lightning attack and thats if he lets him get it off
@kenrock7227 iroh zuko and aang are able to counter it because the counter requires less movement than a side step (not because they're faster than lighting). They're letting themselves get hit by lightning then redirecting it back at their opponent. Watch the last fight between aang and Ozai. Ozai barely had time to change his facial expression let alone side step before aang redirected his lightning.
@@CH1LLS. we see aang dodge lightning multiple times before he redirects it and zuko jumps in the way of azulas lightning before redirecting it
THIS VIDEO IS 6YRS OLD, and It just popped up in my feed at 2024 after watching Netflix live action reaction videos. Hehe 😅
Personally I think Ozai would just go for the offensive, trying to pummel his brother as hard as he can, and Iroh would stonewall him long enough for him to slip up, giving Iroh an opening to land a short but devastating hit.
Yes and i feel like Irohs abilitys of lightning would save hon in the last shot
i think that you have a favorite.... Ozai didnt almost became world ruler, in pure luck or with someone just in his toes regarding power, he is a genius, in power and in intellect. I want iroh to win, but he would get stomp... maybe is the comet wasn't present in the fight i could see a victory, and if zuko didnt show before his lightning deflection....
So you think it would be like anakin vs obi wan?
Eltrio2 w
Iroh isnt in a state where he can stonewall for a lengthy drawn out fight. Ozai has FAR more stamina and energy to spend in a fight than iroh, regardless of Iroh being in fantastic shape for his age. Im not saying Ozai hasthe guaranteed win but the only situation where Iroh wins is a fast to medium paced fight where he redirects ozais lightning for a one shot kill.
Wait... can Ozai redirect lightning? If so...
LIGHTNING TENNIS
😂😆🤣 ... but no ... he can’t. But according to the comics, Azula can.
@@AntoineBandele what?! Where did she learn that technique? Did she just learn it by seen it just once? If that's the case she really is a monster.
@@AntoineBandele thats after the end of the war, zuko's search of their mother
Judging from how terrified Ozai was when saw Aang about to redirect the lightning back at Ozai, I'd assume he had nothing up his sleeve to redirect the lightning back.
Kodukula Anirudh no amount of speed and reflexes can allow someone to just dodge lightning. It moves at the speed of light, and without the redirection technique your screwed if someone shoots lightning at you.
3:49 you’ve got something wrong here, because you can really see how concentrated Ozai’s plume is with the comet. The best firebending scene in my opinion, because it’s not to heat something, it’s heating the flames with more flames until the whole thing bursts out. (With a teapot sound)
I always loved how the show acknowledges how dangerous and hard the lightning move is, and yet Iroh can just do it so casually like he’s playing with the wind
Cosmic wrote ...
The cabbage merchant vs Melon Lord
Antoine Bandele Well Antoine, to be fair, April 1st is less than two months away.
Cabbage Merchant vs Foaming Mouth Guy!
Melon Lord stomps
Melon Lord wins, he took on the avatar, and survived, albeit briefly, whereas the cabbage merchant has had to watch his children, the loves of his life, either rot, or get repeatedly beaten to death.
Cabbage Merchant is stronger than the avatar
The only reason Iroh takes so long to generate lightening is to show Zuko the proper technique. I thought this was obvious. 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you !!! When i watched the clip with his explanation that’s the first thing that went through my head
YESSSSS!!!!
Peter Griffen and he was hurt
I thought it was too
Yeah, and he was injured back then, now he is in full health and got a 6 pack
It would’ve been interesting hearing him speak to Master Jeong Jeong, Master Piandao, and Uncle Iroh after the war
They all would have had different stories to tell that would’ve affected them greatly and would make an amazing mini series
3:20 Iroh's was more powerful than Ozai's plume of fire honestly, Ozai was just bending fire while Iroh was shooting an actual rocket
Ozai didn't cause an explosion when the fire made contact with the ground, iroh did cause an explosion, one that blew up ba sing se wall even... that's a huge feat in my opinion
yeah it took a gigantic drill a long time to drill into the wall and iroh just blew it up
are you saying wall level is above mount level?
Ozai > iroh
@@kenrock7227 an attack that covers a mountain-sized range isn't necessarily mountain level. Ozai's fire isn't shown doing anything more than surface-level damage like a giant regular flamethrower, while Iroh's fire actually busts through a giant wall that took a giant drill to work through. Think of me taking a flamethrower to burn down a forest vs me taking some dynamite to blow up a tree. One covers a larger range but the second actually has more destructive force.
@@andrewsigler7437 if you destroy a whole forest with a flamethrower that would have more distractive force .imagine you took the force from the bomb and spread it out amongst the whole forest it would do less damage when if you did the opposite the flame thrower would be more powerful. also when a say ozai is mountain level i’m talking about his ability to destroy a city that is around as big one but to be fair lets say he is only city level its still more powerful
What about when Iroh belly bumped Azula? That has to count for something.
@@Phoenix-King-ozai I was only joking.
His whole body is a weapon
aint got no bell after getting fit :'( . Iroh volutarily powered himself down in the prison by losing his belly just so he could flex on the guards when he escaped.
i dont understand how people think Ozai is more powerul Iroh is much bigger and blew down the entire Ba sing se wall
@@Phoenix-King-ozai i mean your ozai
Everyone: Iroh would win cuz he smart and skilled.
Me an Intellect: Iroh would win because Ozai lost his bending👌.
This is true big brain
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When the eclipse happened, the firebenders couldnt use their abilities all at once. It stands to reason that their bending would return in full as quickly as soon as the eclipse passed
Late to the party, I feel iroh melted the bars just as the eclipse totaled, using the last of fire bending to melt them apart, then started hand to hand. He may have just bent them as well with brute strength.
1:50 I’d say the lightning Iroh generates teaching Zuko is not representative of his capabilities. He’s teaching, meaning he’s doing it as slowly as possible so Zuko can follow his moves and learn. For reference, he shows how to do the redirection very slowly, but we see him redirect natural and Azula’s lightning very quickly.
Ozai: *shoots lightning*
Aang and Zuko (basically the only people he shoots lightning at in the entire show): *redirects*
Ozai: 👁👄👁
fr tho like they both redirected it and couldve killed ozai in like the first 30 seconds
So true they were the only ones strong enough I guess everybody else be like :💥👄💥
@@DillonFshingWhy didn't Zuko retracting lighting didn't kill Ozai
MajorLeagueWobs iroh did it to
WAZZCOXLONG when tho
Remember when Zuko and Iroh tried escape from the Dai lee and he blasted a wall with a single lightning shot? Do you still think it was slow?
It wasn’t lightening, it was just a fire blast.
Tyler McGee it was indeed lightning,rewatch it if you want.
You did not see how long it took for him to charge up, you can't assume it
@@ad-1193 actually you can assume it took him shorter than the dai lee was able to react
@@tmac731 No it was lightening. Watch the episode again
This was 19mins of you giving every category to ozai.
Because he simply does take every category lmao
@@charlessow8972 nope
Iroh is a 10x more skilled fire bender than ozai could ever be.
ozai steals irohs birth right, but he couldve fought iroh for it meaning that ozai was scared cuz he couldnt beat iroh
also iroh wins cuz i like him better
An agni kai can't steal birth right that's not confirmed, you also can't just say iroh is Ur fav so he wins. Iroh actually said he couldn't be ozai in a fight
Iroh would win in a tea making competition though!! !
A Fangirls Sobs YEP! ANYTIME! 💚🍵
A Fangirls Sobs tenzin pratikh and iroh in a tea making contest.
A Fangirls Sobs he invented the boba milk tea!
Jokes on us, Ozai has a secret passion of tea-making
Or an intense match of
Pai sho
In terms of power,
Iroh's "slow" lightning demonstration was simply a training session with Zuko. He had to show him proper form and you can't properly demonstrate that by rushing it. If he would have done a rapid demonstration, Zuko would have likely impatiently tried it quickly too and killed himself.
In regards to him in Ba Sing Se, he couldn't just output a massive flow of fire. He would have destroyed the city he was trying to liberate
Ozai still stronger though
@@shard39 iroh isn't in his prime anymore tho
Firelord Zuko even though his brave Soulja Boy didn’t come marching home 😂
@@shard39 if that's really true why did ozai steal the throne and not challenge his brother for it?
Why has he never tried to end his older brother?
Iroh is a beast he's just gotten old and fat for most of the series
@@shogun5599 , I have to agree with this thought process. Ozai is a prideful and ambitious man, perhaps above all things, so it is interesting that he wouldn't challenge him for the throne. Clearly familial connection isn't the reason, perhaps politically? Again unlikely however because of Ozai's predilection for cunning and the political game. I think when we see Ozai fighting Aang we're getting a good taste of what Iroh might've been like in his prime. But I agree that ultimately he would lose given his inability to morally rationalize killing his brother.
Ozai: I HAVE AN ARMY
Team Avatar: We have an Iroh
I think the reason we saw Iroh being so slow with lightning is because he was instructing Zuko, so he was going through the motions slowly and purposefully for teaching purposes.
Iroh was acknowledged by King Azulan, while Ozai didnt.
thats a fact.
Notice how nobody can come up with a response as to why Ozai is stronger
the writers just said "hurr durr ozai strong" but thats probably only because he just produces huge amounts of fire, iroh probably doesnt produce as much fire, but not that he needs to. his fire could just be a smaller amount but 20x stronger for all we know.
IRON///FLUX they only said that bc he’s the BIG BAD villain. It’d be cool if they said Iroh is the most powerful but what significance would that give? He’s on the good side, so what’s the point, plus power was something he stopped searching for. Iroh would no doubt defeat Ozai
@@ironflux4219 The fact that Ozai can produce more powerful and longer sustained attacks than anyone else in the show IS the entire point of his being the most powerful firebender. This was all mentioned in the hypothetical fight in this video and why Ozai would probably come out on Top
You guys need to stop overstating the (relative) strength of someone just because he's more likeable
@@Phoenix-King-ozai I mean, it can't change something that was never a fact to begin with. Zuko, who should be well aware of the height of his father's power, was convinced that Iroh could beat him. He also has far more peace of mind, so aside from the one example of Iroh using lightning while demonstrating it to a student, means he should be far better at utilizing it. Iroh doesn't have a lot of feats because he doesn't want to seriously hurt anyone, and never uses more power than is necessary at any given time, while Ozai is a show off. Every single thing in the entire show, aside from directly shown feats, suggests that Iroh is more than capable of bringing down Ozai.
A few things about lightning:
1. Iroh was hurt when he used lightning.
2. He was demonstrating for Zuko too. When you’re teaching someone a new move for a martial art, or anything really, you teach them slowly.
3. I don’t think how much sun is visible affects the power of your fire or lightning, just whether it’s an eclipse or not.
I do agree, however, that Ozai’s lightning is most likely more powerful and could likely take less time to generate. Though I do think you underestimated Iroh’s lightning.
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It was never directly stated, but I do believe that the amount of sun would affect how powerful the firebending is.
The First Prince I don’t. The fact that they can firebend at night is my main reason.
@ConfusedMeme Yeah and he instantly became more powerful as soon as the sun rose, there was no ramp up to it.
Well said gentleman👐👐
I feel as if when it comes to the finishing blow Iroh would hesitate, leaving room for Ozai to strike back and I doubt Ozai would hesitate 😔
Ozai's biggest weakness has always been that he underestimates people. That could be an advantage on Iroh's part. By the way we mostly see him fight a kid and a teen. So I wonder how brave he really is against a powerful adult.
Ozai regularly engages in Agni Kais, so...
To be fair, we only ever see Ozai firebend during the Summer when firebenders are at their strongest
During sozin's comet not summer
@@Marta1Buck well yeah but that's not when they're at their strongest
@@Phoenix-King-ozai but there is literally just one scene where Iroh used his power and you compared it to a two episode worth of fight from Ozai?
Kodukula Anirudh u can’t say Ozai was stronger if he was given more screen time🤷🏾♂️😂.
@@Phoenix-King-ozai he is influenced by sozin's comet.
I say that you have some good points, but you're missing the important ones.
-Iroh was trained in bending far longer, and thus has come up with a more fluent way to do anything with it
-Iroh could redirect lightning, Ozai could shoot it and do basically nothing
-Iroh, during the war, when he tried, broke apart the, supposedly, toughest wall in the earth kingdom, with one of few hits. Ozai couldn't get through rock armour at his peak.
-Iroh is wise, strong, and definitely has more stamina, as shown by him escaping the entirety of the fire nation from a heavy-duty prison by himself
-Whole Ozai was at his peak during Sozens Comet, Iroh would also be strengthened During that time
-Ozai is called the strongest Fire Bender, not a Fire Bending master, meaning while he is strong, he is not refined. Iroh is both.
-We all seem to forget that Iroh basically took on 10 people at once during the ambush by Azula and the Di-Li in book 3.
-Iroh is patient, waits, listens, and knows when to strike. Ozai is the Fire Bending equivalent to the Boulder.
Actually Iroh himself said that Ozai is a firebending master. It was when Zuko challenged Zhao to an Agni Kai and Iroh asked Zuko "You know what happened the last time you faced a firebending master"
@@bigdipper1578fuckin doy. I dont know how I forgot that, thanks.
lemon bun that doesn’t mean anything iroh was also inferring that zhao was a Fire bending master to right. And zuko wiped the floor with him, iroh just knows a good fighter when he sees one.
dw something everyone is forgetting is that he also learned from the dragons. And the original power is greater than their modern Firebending.
dw I’m just saying, iroh also called zhao a fire bending master, and zuko whooped him. I’m saying just cause he called him a fire bending master don’t mean he can’t beat him
Azula was only tired because of her breakdown , she normally has a lot of endurance, also lightning redirection is not easy it’s very dangerous to do it and Iroh was going slow to show Zuko how to do it in Ba Sing Se Iroh shot through the wall very quickly
"Ozai is the most powerful fire bender
Iroh: Hold my tea
I personally see this playing out in a similar final outcome to the Zuko/Azula fight. You can make the case for the younger sibling Ozai to be superior in terms of raw power, but Iroh is the better, smarter fighter, and the one with the clearest head. Ozai could never usurp his older brother directly- he had to kill his own father to finagle his way to the throne. That he seems to have never confronted Iroh in their youth speaks volumes to me. Ozai, for all his power, probably had the sense that he couldn’t defeat his older brother in a true fight, so he robbed him of his birthright instead of challenging him for it.
You do know in azula vs zuko, Zulu didnt win right ?😂😂😂😂 even in her fragile mental state she still couldn't be beaten by him so your point kinda crumbles if that's your foundation
@@samo6083 Zuko was beating Azula until she'd fire lighting at Katara to cheat.
@@greaterhalo0659 bro azula was literally mentally unstable. In her prime she took on all of them and came out unscathed, I'm telling you if she was mentally fit zuko would have lost.
@@greaterhalo0659 loooolll I watched the fight again and when zuko agreed to the fight katara was so surprised because she said zuko you even admitted to your uncle you'd need help against azula 😂😂😂😂😂 then he said what I said i can't explain it shes slipping... 😂😂😂😂😂😂 the only time he felt confident to fight her alone was when she was unstable 😂😂
@@samo6083 Also something else and this is known as well since Zuko also employs earth bending tactics to fire-bending any powerful attacks she also throws at him can be shattered and with airbending practices avoided as seen in their three fights in the show and multiple fights in the comic's.
Not to mention Katara also almost beaten her if it wasn't for Zuko in book two and even Sokka knocked Azula out with his boomerang and she was outmatched by both Aang and Katara in the book two final until zuko interfered and plus keep in mind when she'd faced all of them she took out Iroh first knowing he's the most skilled one who can beat her and the rest were tired and not in peak shape.
Even when Irohs out of his prime and shape he can still manage to take down people like admiral Zao or an entire group of fire or Earth bendere without even trying.
Admiral Zhao lol...Like Aang said, "They will make anyone an admiral these days"
Season 1 zuko took out zhao anybody could
literally anyone can take down Zhao lmao
Season 1 Zuko beat Zhao twice, the only major Avatar villain in any Avatar property's (not including the movie since Zhao is more powerful than everyone barring Avatar State Aang) is Long Feng who is not a combatant.
Its actually eaiser to make a list of people Zhao can beat.
Because they are all fodder. The time he went against a named character without any sneak attacks he got one shotted by his 14-year old niece......
You forget that if Aang gets killed by Ozai and Iroh has to fight him instead, he would be blessed not only by the comet but also by the power of PLOT ARMOR BABY
The example of irohs lighting generation you used was him giving zuko lessons, thats why he did it slow
The reason he used the lighting and slowly was so zuko could learn the motion
How is this even a question? Iroh would destroy Ozai with his hot tea!
Facts
Iroh himself says he doesn't know if he could defeat Ozai, and avatar extras, which is extra information from the creators, said Ozai is the best firebender period
@@kevincos4450 Strongest firbender*. And I ask you, what good is raw strength against masterful technic and experience?
@@henriquecesardesouzasilva8766 Ask Iroh, who said he didnt know if he could beat Ozai
Tea bending! Or is it blending?
Ozai may have more strengh but he didn't know an essential part of fire bending like Iroh learned with dragons and I believe firebending with heart is stronger that anger.
Iroh have also spiritual skills and we see it with Korra, it should not je overlooked, your bending le better when you really understand it.
However very good video, I enjoy it, and you make me think and change my mind on few things!
When Iroh blasted the wall of Ba Seng Se, it was more like the combustion benders rather than regular fire bending.
I'm pretty sure the slower paced lightning generation is just to better demonstrate it to Zuko.
When Sue I mean he was still recovering from a blast from azula
True, but he was never shown to create is faster than Azula and to believe he could do it as quickly as Ozai is headcanon until it's shown.
Juan Laise but he could still redirect it easily
Here’s my take. Firelord Ozai is Anakin when he was dueling Obi Wan on Mustafar. Ozai is too “hot-headed” and would just lose to a tactician like Iroh.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Iroh comes off as a defensive master much like obi-wan and I think it would nearly mimic the Zuko-Azula fight where Ozai eventually gets frustrated and makes an over-aggressive error. On the other hand, Iroh is much older and if he made even one or two mistakes would likely give Ozai an opportunity for a fatal move.
Iroh: U were my brother Ozai, I lov- never mind.
@gary Wilhelm I agree
@gary Wilhelm but the point is in terms of raw power, not moral alignment. In terms of raw power, Ozai is comparable to Anakin
Agreed 👍
I think the only reason iroh s lightning was slow was because he was showing Zuko how to generate his own lightning.
Umm I not but iirc weren’t even the normal fire bender soldiers on those airships putting out just as much fire as ozai? I remember them lined up next to each blazing everything
Everybody keeps talking as if ozai is the rightful firelord. He isn't. Iroh relinquish the throne, he was the older brother the throne was his. Legally if he decided he wanted to take it back he could I don't think anybody except ozai would object. You said you didn't want to challenge the throne, the throne was his by right.
Master Oogway Best comment on this video, yet, by far. 🏆
The thing with iroh is he would never do that. It would cause problems with ozai and ozai would either challenge him or start his a uprising. Of course iroh wants peace so that why he wouldn’t challenge the throne
remember azulon's dying wish, to make ozai the new firelord, nobody would protest against the decision of the former firelord. So for most people's mind in the firenation, Ozai is the rightful leader.
no ozai wasn't said to be the next firelord that is why he killed his father and disgraced zuko and his wife
of course he wasn't chosen to be the next firelord by Azulon BUT that's what he told everyone so it became an official statement in the eyes of the people.
I honestly think that iroh held back his power because he was a minimalist.... It kinda makes me wonder... what was he like before his son died and he lost his will. Was he stronger than his father? I doubt I'll ever know since the series is pretty much dead now.... considering Korra didn't do nearly as well as TLA.
But anyways, my money is on Iroh. It seems like that guy always has a plan, and like others pointed out, his demonstration of lightning to Zuko was intentionally slow so that he could take notes.... There's actually not a lot of epic fight scenes with Iroh in them..... aww... I'm kinda sad now...
Iroh is the only one that breaked earth kingdom wall..before azole without machines...so you will know what he is capable
Jishnu Shaji actually he didnt
@@theytsjelle2378 actually he did
Also, Iroh must've been quite strong because firelord Azulon was always on favour of Iroh becoming the firelord.
@@theytsjelle2378 in the episode with the drill the general was saying no one has ever got into the walls and toph replied with what about the dragon of the west he got in
Also I remember the episode about how now fire benders usually used rage when fire bending and I think that’s why Ozais bending is a bit stronger/ he’s also amazing at fire bending but I also think iroh is extremely skilled in a different way. Also ozai is way more hateful than iroh so I think ozai can beat iroh
I feel you on that but then i think about how strong goku gets when he get mad( someone who is always nice and kind) vs how strong vegeta gets when he is mad. I believe the reason of your rage will show with your fire bending. Ozai has a tendency to start to act like zhao all while iroh can keep his cool and sort of focus his rage.
Could Iroh defeat Ozai?
Ozai : *use only one lighting*
Iroh: *turn it back to him*
Ozai : 👁️👄👁️
X👄X
WAIT, There is a frame at 14:12 where Ozai has no beard at all.
I... My god... I can't unsee that now... It looks so weird
Wtf he looks like Arkham games joker
Oh my god YESS!!😂 😂 🤣 sent chills down my spine
omg how did u even pick up on that !? lmaooo u got precision vision
Good eye. I didn't catch that. 👌👍👍👏🖒
This is going to come down to “Can Iroh survive Ozai’s onslaught of raw power long enough to find an opening”. I personally see no reason why he couldn’t. He can keep up with younger fighters pretty easily while retraining himself. Also, while Iroh doesn’t want to kill and is reluctant. In this kind of situation, I don’t see him being unwilling to do so. He even said to Zuko about Azula “No, she’s crazy and needs to be put down”. He will kill if it means saving the lives of countless innocent people.
The problem is why didn't iroh challenge him ever in the series. After ozai had a direct dispute with fire lord Azulon he dies that night to a mysterious disease or illness with a will that decreed that ozai should take the throne moments or days after Iroh lost his son honestly Iroh knows his father well enough to know he wouldn't have changed his will that fast. If iroh could have stopped his brother then why didn't he do so knowing how destructive he was as fire lord.
@@chriswilson7288 because as you just mentioned he had just lost his son? And then right after his father?? Do you think you would be ready to have to either a) kill your last family member or b) defeat him and rule over an entire nation while being unstable after the loss of your father and son and having to beat into submission your last family member?
@@chriswilson7288 and to why he didnt challenge him later on is he was wandering about the world learning knew things after the loss of his son and witnessing the agni kai of your brother who is the leader of a nation and his son, your nephew, would it be in the best interest of everyone if Iroh were to step in and risk the punishment for zuko being worse and putting into question Ozai's rulership if defeated or even disrespected by his own brother in front of the fire nation?
@@barbarasaucedo5191 one iroh knows and thinks Ozai isnt a good fire lord as he sees him clearly as a tyrant not a true leader as he guides zuko to be better than his father. However if like you are arguing that Iroh is stronger then why not challenge and beat the tyrant so you can restore peace or stop this evil. And while ill admit he cudnt possibly rule mentally after losing his son and father again you pretend like after mourning they deaths he cudnt do the right thing and dethrone ozai which if he knows his brother isn't right on how he rules their kingdom. And the fact that Iroh never challenges him even after the agni kai against zuko (which agni kai s are normally to the death but zuko forfeited once his father actually hurt him.) Or the fact that Iroh being his father most trusted son he should have known or thought it was foul play at hand with ozai rise to power since azulon will was intended for Iroh but he supposedly changed the will last second before a "mysterious death" to Ozai. What you are incentivizing is Iroh after mourning was either too lazy or unbothered to stop his brother evil rule all because he rather not deal with it even though he is stronger and now mentally more capable of being a peaceful firelord that wouldn't rule through fear and tyranny.
@@chriswilson7288 i am saying that iroh wasnt capable of looking into his father Azulons death and maybe not even being bothered to care as i told you he was torn down enough from his sons death to retreat from Ba sing Se and even go to the spiritual world to seek his son while the fire kingdom was having a change in ruler and mission. He was not a good person prior to his sons death so afterword do you think that as soon as his son died he became the man we see in the series? No it took taking a step back and wandering theworld while looking for his dead son and traveling into the spirit world for him for iroh to be more sure of himself. He now says that he regrets not doing anything for Zuko which is why when Zuko was exiled he went with him. Iroh is not perfect he is human too and he has admitted his faults and regrets which is why if given the chance to right his wrongs in a fight with Ozai he wouldnt hesitate to kill him.Yes iroh had good in him since he saved the last dragons but he still was going to invade and forcefully submit thousands of civilians from Ba Sing Se so not exactly a saint from the start which makes it hard to believe that he would suddenly do all the right things when he was at least in a morally grey area prior to the life changing event that was his son's death. Also why would he challenge ozai and throw the whole nation into chaos which wouldnt be resolved well enough because as he said it would look like a brother killing a brother for the throne so no significant change could be set in place from the very foundation if it was perceived as more violence for power. I also think that iroh didnt want to be fire lord and if he took over would zuko hate him? What would happen with Azula? Any decision he would make would look bad since its they way he got the power and there would be dissonance withing the ranks and military against iroh. Would he individually be capable of handling all that while being mentally unstable?
All these guys saying that "but the creators said that" no the guy that said ozai is better is an ASSISTANT writer for a FEW episodes
Iroh broke his chain without his fire binding
Iroh would've won, because Zuko could've killed him w/ a lightning bolt but chose to redirect it elsewhere (Aang did the same). Iroh invented lightning redirection & could've done the same. The writers should've just made Iroh plainly stated that he refused to fight Ozai because his son already died & he couldn't bare to kill his own brother.
Blackton Obvious! Exactly
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Blackton Obvious! But they said this also.
Blackton Obvious!
I don’t think Iroh has brotherly affection for Ozai. I think he was just tired of the bloodshed and fighting in general. He wanted no part in it
@giveagoodsong Well, unfortunately, there were future problems. After all, Ozai was not killed, so much of the Fire Nation still believed he should remain the Firelord. You find out in the comics that take place after the series that a good share of the nation sought to put Ozai back in power, and to remove Zuko.
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Iroh. It would be brutal and Iroh would be burnt all over. Ozai has raw power and talent, but Iroh is smarter, has more well rounded technique (moves like an earthbender, thinks like a waterbender), more patient. Also while Ozai is definately more powerful, Iroh rarely cuts loose all the way so his raw power is hard to gauge. Best way to counter power is with skill - Mace Windu.
Also, when Iroh used lightning, it was when he was demonstrating the technique. For all we know he may very well be able to conjure it just as fast as Ozai. But hey that's only my opinion. Cool vid dude!
I cannot agree more. Ozai is a bit more powerful. But Iroh is not far behind.
When talking about Ba Sing Se, don't forget that they were liberating the city, therefore trying to cause as little damage to it as possible. Iroh (and any of the White lotus) could likely cause much more damage, but that is not what they were trying to do.
On the other hand, Ozai was just burning the world to ash so he could go all out.
And yes he can use lightning pretty fast. He blew a hole in a wall while running from dai li agents, I am sure he didn't have much tame to charege it up.
when was that?
On that note about liberating the city, I want to add that Iroh was blowing a hole through a stone wall whereas Ozai was just setting the forest on fire... In terms of power I would think explosive fireball would be stronger than streams of flame?
I think Iroh is the most complete fire bender to ever live. Avatars excluded of course. Having the ability to use lightning and redirect and having met the dragons and sun warriors and other elements. But I think he’s far past his prime in the show. However both in their prime, iroh hands down
Totally agree. The General would be victorious!
Lol the delay when he says Ozai like “OzAi” like lol bruh 💀
Iroh was the guy who is trained by sun warrior
And with the tea he is unbeatable
I have to disagree simply given Iroh's personality. He always very humble, never lauding his own abilities. While Ozai may have more raw power, Iroh definitely has the skill advantage. As we saw, Ozai DID NOT know the technique of lightning redirection, a technique Iroh himself invented. I think its fair to say Iroh is definitely the more strategic of the two while Ozai is more focused around one strategy : overwhelm. I feel confident in saying iroh knows his brother well enough to maneuver him into a position where, like in that fight with Aang, lightning redirection would be his downfall. The difference is Aang couldnt fully go through with it and stopped the attack short, whereas I believe Iroh would do it if it had to be done and choose to live with yet another burden rather than letting his brother go unchallenged any longer
★ Froggie Animation ★ being the strongest fire bender doesn't mean he can't lose in the right match-up against a smarter opponent.
Strength < Skill
Iroh would just kill Ozai with lightning redirection. Aang could have killed him that way, but chose not to. The fight would have just ended there with Iroh.
Did you really watch the series and not come away with Iroh's wisdom that brute strength isn't the ultimate in life?
★ Froggie Animation ★ Iroh has a much deeper understanding of firebending. as he was taught by the original fire benders the dragons.
as for Antonie analyses of ozais sustained firebloom on the trees of earth kingdom. who knew that trees are not a good match up for fire.
Everybody talking about Iroh's skill, but nobody talking about how ozai doesn't even have his bending, so Iroh wins by default.
KKKK ok
That is no doubt a good point
Even with his bending. Ozai cannot beat Iroh. There is a reason why the previous Fire Lord favored Iroh over Ozal because Iroh is more powerful.
@@kendivedmakarig215 nah I don't exactly remember where I heard this but there's many official sources on the creators of the series themselves claiming ozai is the strongest and most versatile firebender.
Iroh would definitely go in with a plan. Besides, ozai's weakness was proven to be redirecting lightening. In the two fights we saw ozai in, he used lightening so it's safe to assume he would do it again and Iroh would redirect it.
I feel like Irohs voice actor changing flowed perfectly into the gradual build up in seriousness of the final season
Valid points. Though I recall Iroh generating lightning much faster while escaping the Dai Li in Ba Sing Se
Yeah plus he would've probably been doing Lightning slowly to show Zuko how to produce it.
At that time in ba sing se, we never actually saw Iroh generating the lightning, we only saw the blast through the wall
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Yeah, but that was more equivalent to boom-boom man's explosive compression thing. Iroh sent a compressed powerful blast against a small section of the wall to minimize damage yet still create an effective entrance. The White Lotus was there to liberate Ba Sing Se, not damage it further. Iroh demonstrated both great power and great skill by doing that, not just unrestrained fury.
@@Seastallion I wasn't talking about the power or skill Iroh displayed at the point. The original comment was about how fast Iroh can generate lightning, he said he did it faster in ba sing se when running from the dai li, and I said that we never actually saw when he generated the lightning
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Even so, between Iroh's injury and the fact he was demonstrating for Zuko are major factors. No one trying to teach something does it quickly while demonstrating how to do it. That scene really wasn't a fair demonstration of Iroh's ability, as he really wasn't going for speed or power, merely a basic presentation.
Power doesn’t necessarily win over skill. I think Iroh has better skill.
@@Phoenix-King-ozai Ozai is that you?
@@Phoenix-King-ozai Iroh spent his life either fighting in the war, exploring the world to enhance his knowledge and techniques, discovering ancient secrets of firebending and achieving an understanding of the truth of firebending, training, and relaxing. Ozai spent his life barking orders, training, and relaxing. You're seriously gonna try to claim Ozai has more combat experience? Iroh was a general on the FRONT LINES, Ozai was a sheltered Fire Lord in an impenetrable palace where nobody could ever challenge him, and they shared the same legendary ancestry. How this is even a question for anyone I don't understand. Would one win over the other in terms of raw power? No idea. But Iroh is superior in skill, knowledge of the art, and tactics. Period.
@@Phoenix-King-ozai redirecting lightning. If you're that skilled in your art that you can add to it and adapt it that shows pretty great skill. Never saw ozai do something like that
@@Phoenix-King-ozai how is iroh slow? If you're going to use the instance he was teaching zuko how to use lightning then yeah he's gonna go slow because who learns something they don't know by watching it done too fast to take note. You also mention iroh had slow fire in what instance does he do any firebending slowly. This is the guy was an general in his nations military you don't get to that position without being really damn good. I'd also like you to point out which bit of my previous statement was my opinion.
@@Phoenix-King-ozai what instance was he slow? From what I remember he's pretty fast like when in the first couple episodes zuko had that agni kai against ziao (think that's how you spell his name) when ziao went for that cheap shot iroh was fast enough to get there and shut that down. He was also a pretty fast fighter at the end of book 2 protecting aang and katara. Iroh can be pretty fast
Iroh lightning is slower because he is teaching Zuko, and one other thing that Iroh one shot the city wall.
Remember though that being in touch with your energy and the spirituality of the the universe makes you more powerful. Iron was in touch and was conscientious about other living things and beings. So therefore Iroh is and was the more powerful sibling.
14:34- it is worth remembering that he fought his entire way through a jail in the capital of the fire nation(so having more guards) that he was held on the top floor of and ran on foot away from the capital, all while resembling “a one man army” during around the time we’d assume this takes place. He might be older but his stamina isn’t something to scoff at.
true, but we've also seen a 15 year old girl with no bending whatsoever take out dozens of benders like they were nothing, so I don't know if that counts for much.
@@SomeGuy-ty7kr both trained fighters anyway tbh
You are comparing dragon of the west to phoenix king and I'm with dragon of the west all the way
Avatar > Phoenix King > Dragon of the West
@@Phoenix-King-ozai I am with the avatar and we will stop you wanna know how watch the show lol
Also Ohzai just proclaim himself as that while Iroh was given that name by the people he lead during his time as general.
You earn the name dragon by killing a dragon. Iroh spared the dragons. His name is not legit.
I think iroh might have a hard time but because he studied all the other elements and learned from them who would come out on top in the end, even if all banged up or beat up. Ozai would only see and study fire. It was made clear that studying the other elements can make you more powerful too which Iroh embodies. So while he might take a whoopin, he would come out in the end. Pure fire bending alone can't win against the knowledge and experience of all the other elements combined with firebending, lightning and redirection.