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From 25th to 29th, 83 hours, DeepSeek server cluster, received more than 230 million DDos malicious requests per second, the total amount of attacks is equivalent to three days of European network traffic combined. A number of Chinese Internet companies came to the rescue to defend against the attack, and this epic story of working together to fight against foreign enemies will be forever recorded in history as a barbaric invasion was stopped.
I hope the DeepSeek team continues to develop more advanced AI and open source to the world. I rather donate $ to their fund, than paying subscription to monopoly corporations.
Oh wow, did anyone actually think banning Huawei would just make them disappear? It was obvious from the start that they’d just become more self-sufficient, develop their own tech, and come back even stronger. Honestly, the people who pushed for these bans clearly didn’t think things through-it’s almost cute how naïve they were.
Banning usually will work if the company has a very small market. But Huawei has the entire China as its market to stay afloat and also spends tons of resources in R&D.
The head of COMAC (Chinese planemaker) said something like, "We are using foreign components because they are cheap, not because we can't make them". China has proven over and over again that it can innovate. But to a company that makes products, it is often not efficient to reinvent the wheel when you can buy it from an existing wheelmaker. R&D is expensive, so why spend money on it when it's not necessary? But when they start embargoing China, China is forced to reinvent the wheel. And more often than not, the "reinvented Chinese wheel" is cheaper and better. It is somewhat of a meme now that Chinese consumers want more US embargos because it'll drive the price down after a short period of time.
American elites and policy makers arrogantly assume that by cutting off American high-tech and products from China's access, it chokes China's lifeline and eventually China will disappear. But these science and engineering illiterates forget one thing and one thing only, that is huge human capitals in China. China has massive well-educated population in science and engineering fields. These smart people work hard for their country's survival. The results are predictable: these illiterates always shoot themselves in the foot.
@@brocklanders6969 How about you swear something very serious if no spyware is found in DeepSeek? It is open source and can be installed locally and it can work without Internet.
Deepseek didn't come for anyone, Deepseek was a side project that's simple enough for the company to make fully open source. It's entirely America's problem that its entire trillion $ AI industry was a grift that can get crushed by a side project.
American tech companies have lots of useless people who specialize in fields such as DEI and ESG. Musk sacked thousands when he took over Twitter and it's still running.
USA will ban all Chinese AI because USA want Americans to pay 30X higher prices. Chinese AI offer skinny bundle for cheap. American AI offer expensive bundles.
That is the point. competion for more money against competion to find the best solution and affordable for people as much as posible, differnnt philosophy. That is the secret 0f chinese sucsess in 21. centurey. BETTER to lean from as being gelous.
It's a race to achieve total technocratic enslavement... Which country will manage to build Skynet first!??? I'm so disgusted with all of this AI garbage.
I tried deepseek with simple question "what are the latest mech arena promo codes" and it replied with alot of stuff about what a promo code was but would not answer the question with the latest codes it knew even if it was from july 2024 which it kept telling me, i guess cheap AI give Cheap answers. might try again in a year see if its more than a waste of time.
"It will cost $100 billions to train AI models that previously costed $100 millions", they said... That's the speculative nature of the American companies leading AI.
They hyped it to the max, then sell maybe 1% of stock (ownership), get billions of dollars in return, but still have a strong control over their company. What a strategy!
Remember Juicero, Elizabeth Holmes, Sam Bankman Fried, and so many more tech scams? I am 100% sure Sam Altman is over valuing his tech just like every conman in Sillicon Valley.
I sincerely would like to thank Deep Seek for giving me the best Red Envelope for Lunar New Year ever, Open Source AI! Thank you for bringing down the Ivory Tower of American Tech company and make them tuck their tail and ran.
They still use nvidia hardware. Just wait til a group startup uses deepseek source and nvidiad best hardware, that's what open ai and Google are scared of.
Please use "Chinese New Year", the calendar used is lunisolar, not lunar, and its origin from thousands year of China dynasty. As Malaysian Chinese, my race is "Chinese" we called it Chinese New Year, who ever created "Lunar New Year" naming just want to get rid of China influence (去中国化).
The gentlemen in Washington DC may not be happy to see professors and students in California and Beijing doing academic discussion and idea exchanges. 😢
@@user-je7pc2mp5e Nope. You can't get the OpenAI data that way. What DeepSeek might have done is just using the response of some prompts to ChatGPT as part of its training material. But even if that happened I doubt it would be something material to the model; Chinese AI needs to match the Chinese point of view on a lot of subjects, and for that you need training material sourced from China. As a result, it's likely most of the data used to train DeepSeek came from within China itself. Don't forget that China has 1.4 billion persons, many of them avid users of social media - just not the social media we are used to; RedNote, for example, despite not being particularly large for China, has almost as many Chinese users as the US has citizens. China has ample internal data to train on, data that is often only available in Chinese and not available for companies outside China.
For people who is still puzzling, learn a bit about Chinese history since founding of ccp, they went from peasant army to strongest army now in the world, they just kept winning and winning when they were facing constant restrictions, sanction, persecution, against their much more advanced opponents or adversaries, be it Chinese nationalist party, Japanese imperialism, us army in Korean War, Soviet, Vietnam war, the list goes on and on! The fighting and struggling spirit and win is just in their DNA, it’s not surprise at all, we Chinese deeply believe in our blood victory belongs to us no matter how harsh the outside environment is, we knew it is coming unstoppable it’s just in their blood, the art of wisdom and struggle spirit
@@ironmurs6903 running it is one thing.. running it well is another. F35 Alaska falling leaf imitation few days ago was one example, helicopter incident over the river is another.. these are symptoms of bad internal rot.
@@ironmurs6903 For now. But China already can build and repair military ships over 200x faster than the US, as the US Navy itself admits. It's also out-researching the US in most areas with military applications. The balance of power has already gotten to the point where the US would need to go all out against China to defeat it - meaning it would need to pull out of every other country or conflict and mass all its forces in the Pacific to have a fighting chance. And with China building up its military capabilities far faster - and far more cheaply - than the US, it's only a matter of time until the US would lose even if going all out. The US would need to find a way to drastically lower its manufacturing costs, and drastically increase its STEM graduates, to have a chance of remaining ahead of China militarily.
@giovannip8600 ASML's EUV is actually American. It was developed in the US at the National Labs in the 90s and more or less exclusively licensed to ASML (but not the Japanese competitors).
4:21 just to give an example, Nvidia H100 GPU's currently go for 40,000$ a piece. Nvidia's profit margin from this is 96% as the chip itself costs $3000 to manufacture. This mark up in price goes straight into the investors/CEO's pocket and that is how you reach a 3.5 Trillion market valuation.
3000 is just to manufacture. they spend a lot of R&D. their actual profit margin is closer to 50% which is no far off from other tech companies. stop regurgitating fake news like that agent orange.
And this is the reason Huawei having larger manufacturing costs due to the sanctions don't really matter. Heck, the NVidia chips that can be sold in China are actually cheaper in China than the US due to competition - and NVidia doesn't have much of a choice in this, because any market share lost in China doesn't just mean less money flowing to NVidia, but also more money flowing into Huawei, where almost all of that money is spent in R&D focused on making locally everything that the sanctions prevent them from purchasing from abroad.
us forbids Netherlands to sell their machine to china, half of their income, forbids Taiwan to sell chips to china. and say chips are going to be built in America. so they while forbidden those companies to make half of their money is saying they are going to build the products they sell and put them out of business. it reminds mie of an Kissinger quote, to be americas enemy is bad, to be their partner is fatal.
The last time Obama said something like that, the wind blew off the cover that had been concealing the Chinese brand name of the crane behind him. It was so funny. 🤣
They're not admitting defeat. They're doing damage control. Sam Altman first said - 'It's impressive, but we'll do better'. And later, in a much less highlighted event, said, 'We're discussing adopting a more open strategy internally' and 'We'll still have the better models, but we'll have a significantly less advantage compared to previous years'...
They also had to train the model in ASSEMBLY language because Cuda is NVIDIA's proprietary platform and so cannot be used by Chinese developers. Which basically means they trained and coded the whole DeepSeek-R1 model in a language which is as close to 0s and 1s as possible. 🤯🤯
Of course, pocketing the money all along. *ALL* the investors are old white men, boomers, who have almost *NO CLUE* of how these things work..they see a nerd with an idea asking for money..they don't question it 😂 The eventual valuation and their payback doesn't actually come old-school costs/profit thinking...it runs on *HYPE*
It’s absurd for Corporate America to expect loyalty from American consumers, especially amid all of these mass layoffs. If companies can “offshore” labor for higher profits, consumers can just as easily seek cheaper, *offshore AI solutions* (like DeepSeek) to save money during this tough economy. The loyalty is dead.
Hopefully this forces ClosedAI and other western companies to make their next models similarly open source. And if not, the Chinese companies definitely will lol
They are discussing it internally. Altman confirmed himself. LOL. I call it the 'DeepSeek Effect' in AI industry. Save this - it will be documented in history as 'DeepSeek Effect'.
Wow DeepSeek just knocked Nvidia off its pedestal, I mean the whole tech sector is in turmoil Well I sure love the buzz! If you haven’t been keeping up, now is the time to act, Lots of buying opportunities right now. perfect time to reassess our portfolios.
It’s crazy how fast it’s gained traction. But honestly, I’m feeling a little lost on how to approach it. I don’t want to be left behind, but at the same time, I don’t know if I want to dive headfirst into all these sudden market shifts.
Times like this were exactly why I started working with my advisor, She’s the one who helped me realize that these kinds of shifts like DeepSeek and other game-changing technologies require a strategic approach. You don’t want to just react, you want to have a plan in place. My portf0lio has doubled since early last year. My market analyst and I are working towards a seven-figure goal, though it might take until Q2 2025.
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It is really not that hard to understand why Chinese AI like DeepSeek is a lot cheaper, and more effective, at least, in the Chinese language domain. Chinese researchers and engineers focus on model and logic backed up by vast amounts of data collected by many big companies like Tencent. Alibaba, Xiaomi, etc, while the U.S. counterparts rely heavily on chips capacity and capabilities for computing. There is far more human intelligence involved in DeepSeek than ChatGTP. Human intelligence is a lot cheaper and efficient and effective than hardware. The Western media pretend not to understand this simple fact because they don’t know how to compete with China and they don’t know how to deal with the consequences in the human intelligence domain. No country has more engineers than China, and no country is better in AI applications in all walks of life than China today. The robots dancing in the Spring Festival Gala on Chinese TV this Chinese New Year are extremely revealing about China’s AI advancement and manufacturing capabilities. Cooperation with China is the only viable option for the U.S., so that the U.S. would know a lot more about what China is doing, and vice versa, for a better world.
Should the release date of DeepSeek be “DeepSeek Day”? Of course it’s all about the markets reactions and not the innovation defining the date…. Typical.
Hi, is there a mistake in the top of description "As US companies pour billions of dollars into advancing artificial intelligence, a little-known Chinese startup has seemingly done the impossible. DeepSeek unveiled a chatbot app that performs as well if not better than those of Silicon Valley giants, and at a fraction of the cost." It seems that the "not" isn't needed at the end of the last statement?
We should be talking about building an open source, decentralized, and privacy protecting global platform for collective terrestrial intelligence, CTI. The platform needs to be able to merge, deduplicate, fact check, and aggregate the knowledge and sentiment expressed in public conversations with billions of people around the world. People could access the platform with their phones.
Things are dystopian for a lot of people right now. Would it be less so if we used the platform to ratify the principles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Earth Charter?
@@johnkintree763 I don't believe in letters and words. You can write whatever human rights you want, but they always get broken. They're worth the paper that they're written on. Every single dictator on Earth is a liar. And guess what, so-called "democratic" rulers are just dictators in disguise. I'm jaded, I just don't believe any more. the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Earth Charter mean nothing to me. I don't believe. It's all fake and made up. Human society is social darwinism. Always has been.
OpenAi starts with the intention of democratising AI, but then, you know MONEY. DeepSeek, run by a quantitative stock trading firm called High Flyer, trained on OpenAI's ChatGPT and for considerably less, is opensource and democratises AI. Huh...
Do you know what is MOE means? It is the product of most of the best models today *(it is trained many of the best models today,* thus it does need to search the entire database, just the portion that is interested, thus, deep seek, much more efficient and energy light). Low level thinking - >> HIGH LEVEL THINKING‼️
DS is really an increment improvement over OSS widely available. Contrary to popular myth, DS has been hoarding nVidia GPUs at least as early as 2021 and is estimated to have spent over $500M so far. DS's $6M pre-training cost is just a small part of developing of a model; it's slightly lower than at other AI companies.
Coz they were pushing the boundaries which is costly, deepseek is just standing on the shoulders of other, that $6 million is also just GPU rental costs, they leave other expenses 😂
Yeah, I have a general knowledge of computer programming and C++. But I don't know the Go programming language yet. I'm going to use it to write code in programming languages that I don't know, such as Go. I can look over the generated code and it sort of looks fine, I compile, it runs. Satisfaction.
lol…Looks like Yang (or Jiang), the quant guy who won (or got 2nd place) in the national math competition, in “The Big Short” decided to go back home to China and carry out his own big short of the U.S tech stocks. 😂
For me, it is quite interesting how many similarities I believe one can draw to the Dot-com bubble in the early 2000's. At least to me it seems like the current environment has many of the same markers: Heavy investments in companies whose products cannot possibly hope to live up to the valuation set by investors. Similar to how some raised the question "how can a website build to do X possible make a return equal to its valuation?" (Replace X with anything from chat rooms to video streaming services long before the technology could handle such products). Similarly, companies slapping "AI" onto their products and tech innovators accumulating massive investments into developments of these language models ultimately produced in what appears to be a quite competitive scene (or at least made competitive if one are to believe the entry costs displayed by the DeepSeek introduction). For me, the main question remains: will these companies be able to create products with utility (and thus valuation) that mirrors the obscene level of investments into their companies? But I'm not a tech expert, so what do I know. Just a guy interested in resource allocations 🙂
so competition is good for consumers. especially in markets with low competition. no one should care about profits lost from nvidia when they are that dominant in the market. this new competition benefits consumers. this is also why chinas economy is overall better. they are pro competition. where as the usa market lets sectors become anticompetitive which is aweful for consumers.
It's becoming apparent that DeepSeek was trained on OpenAI models. DeepSeek has been asked, "Who are you?" and it responded, "I'm an LLM trained by OpenAI." To another query, it responded, "I'm GPT4." And coming from a Chinese company, it should not be surprising.
This! Why is this not talked about, as it's so obvious? What DeepSeek did was, it drew the answers from the LLMs and used it to train their model. Sure they came up with clever training techniques, but it wouldn't have been possible, if these LLMs weren't there to beging with.
Many China AI have already started tweaking their system with low level codes that directly interact with the chips. This indicate their preparedness to move away from NVIDIA and CUDA, if this go on, NVIDIA will be completely out of China's AI ecosystem very soon.
How China came for America... It read Nvidia's research notes online posted for all customers March 2024..and and and... Made a model just the way Nvidia suggested customers should when they want quick answering, low powered models referring to their larger models when it can't find the answers. So China.. Um.. Oh well that isn't that exciting anymore, sorry I lost interest..
3:25 "Just don't ask ChatGPT about Israel, or Iraq or Palestine or Afghanistan. Because those are aligned with US government propaganda". I have never heard such statements being made about ChatGPT. Why is it that when we talk about Chinese companies, suddenly it's all about Tiananmen square, Xinjiang, Tibet etc. About time we always talk about Israel, racism, police brutality, ethnic cleansing of native Americans, constant global wars and coups of democratically elected governments all over the world for decades, highest number of prisoners in the world, mass shootings etc. Will chatGPT tell me that the war in Iraq was based on lies after lies?
BBC CNN ABC FOX CBS brainwashes the world 24 hours a day and spends billions of dollars every year hiring people to slander China on the Internet. In fact, people in all parts of China live very well, including Xinjiang and Tibet. Life in these places is more comfortable than in other places, and there is no work pressure at all. Their purpose is nothing more than to divide China so that they can more easily enslave the entire world.
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Hi, why are you censoring my coments?
@@Kevin-cm5kc I don't have control over anything like that I'm afraid.
And censorship doesn't alarm you? as a journalist?
@@Kevin-cm5kc Automated comment filtering is just out of the scope of what I'm offering to comment on here. I'll leave it at that.
@@Kevin-cm5kc Your account reads like a bot account thats probably why lol
The biggest wow is that it's an "Open Source"!!!
Everyone in the world can build on it, speeding up the progress
So u never Wow when there are severals open sourced models out there such as meta Llama, Google Gemma etc .
@@tluangasailo3663 u sure meta requires a lot of servers
Meta and Google intentionally don't open source anything useful. That would be bad for their walled garden based profit models @@tluangasailo3663
UC Berkeley students just recreated the tech for $30. Game over for the tech bros scam.
Now, everyone can do AI. 👍😂
This is not US vs China, but corporate vs consumers. And this is the first Win for the consumers
more like open source socialism for everyone vs closed source capitalism for rich companies
It's a win for consumers because it's a win for China who cares more about the common man than the so-called "democratic" U.S. oligarchy.
Lol. DeepSeek is a big win for China government as it is spyware.
@elisgus135 100%
“not only”，Chinese make it not you！
This is like the Olympics, where you used steroids, didn't get tested and still lost to the Chinese Swimmer.
🤣
Excellent analogy!!!
Purple face, it's new drug.
And then accuse the Chinese swimmer of cheating
This is a perfect analogy 😂😂😂
You forgot to mention that Liang Wenfeng was China National Mathematics Competition champion.
Looks like the Oligarchy doesn't like when you use the term Oligarchy to describe the US, so my comment was deleted
@@TheMapleDragonPod Every other comment on UA-cam gets deleted now. It's heavily throttled.
If this is true, howcome he didn't make it into olympics? There's no sign of him in IMO Hall of Fame.
@@riittap9121 He went into the business world and founded his own hedge fund. DeepSeek is his side business.
在中国数学冠军并不算一种头衔，因为过于普通😂
As I always say. Suppression leads to rebellion. Limitation causes innovation.
❤
🎉
Wow, you must be a great thinker. Your words shake the world 😂
I have been paying $200 a month.
Reminds me of what my father used to say. What are you doing in there that's taking so long other people have to use the bathroom?
When the OpenAI was launched, they named it open, but not open is close 😂
open ai don't open, and Democratic countries are not democratic
openai not correct
closeai correct.😂
Open their wallets
when OpenAI was launched, it was truly open, but then it closed.
ChatGPT should be called proprietaryAI 💀
From 25th to 29th, 83 hours, DeepSeek server cluster, received more than 230 million DDos malicious requests per second, the total amount of attacks is equivalent to three days of European network traffic combined. A number of Chinese Internet companies came to the rescue to defend against the attack, and this epic story of working together to fight against foreign enemies will be forever recorded in history as a barbaric invasion was stopped.
This is fascinating - why aren't more outlets reporting it?? (I know - still underestimating China. You'd think we would learn...)
Liang Wenfeng deserves Nobel Prize.
@@k.taylor3526 ，I've read this news in Chinese and English medias. China does not fear anyone to learn solidarity.
@@k.taylor3526western media will never report this😂 you can try red note if you want learn the real China
@@k.taylor3526why would they report that when a lot of them are busy discrediting deepseek’s innovation?
I hope the DeepSeek team continues to develop more advanced AI and open source to the world. I rather donate $ to their fund, than paying subscription to monopoly corporations.
你确定你要投资中国股市？😂😂（deepseek母公司是中国股市巨头，是的，在中国，你在和这种怪物一起炒股）
Move to China then. It’s a biased AI tool bankrolled by the CCP.
是的，就像TT一样，禁了TT，然后大家都去了小红书。（Yes, just like TikTok. After TikTok was banned, everyone turned to Xiaohongshu.）
Me too. But i think now they need more chips than funds😂 The US chip export restriction on highend NVdia GPUs are really crippling their development.
Oh wow, did anyone actually think banning Huawei would just make them disappear? It was obvious from the start that they’d just become more self-sufficient, develop their own tech, and come back even stronger. Honestly, the people who pushed for these bans clearly didn’t think things through-it’s almost cute how naïve they were.
Banning usually will work if the company has a very small market. But Huawei has the entire China as its market to stay afloat and also spends tons of resources in R&D.
@@YohohoXXDid you mean a big portion of Chinese and the world's market?
The head of COMAC (Chinese planemaker) said something like, "We are using foreign components because they are cheap, not because we can't make them". China has proven over and over again that it can innovate. But to a company that makes products, it is often not efficient to reinvent the wheel when you can buy it from an existing wheelmaker. R&D is expensive, so why spend money on it when it's not necessary? But when they start embargoing China, China is forced to reinvent the wheel. And more often than not, the "reinvented Chinese wheel" is cheaper and better. It is somewhat of a meme now that Chinese consumers want more US embargos because it'll drive the price down after a short period of time.
American elites and policy makers arrogantly assume that by cutting off American high-tech and products from China's access, it chokes China's lifeline and eventually China will disappear. But these science and engineering illiterates forget one thing and one thing only, that is huge human capitals in China. China has massive well-educated population in science and engineering fields. These smart people work hard for their country's survival. The results are predictable: these illiterates always shoot themselves in the foot.
华为2024年的营收已经非常接近巅峰，而且更加多元，华为已经进入电动车市场，专门为汽车制造商打造AI系统，并且还在开发AI芯片，目前对外国的依赖已经降低到10%以内，美国对华为的限制反而让现在的华为更加强大，手机和通讯基站目前只占华为营收的20%
DeepSeek is a blessing to the world and that what America doesn't like. America wants everything.
Lol. Garbage Chinese spyware.
@@brocklanders6969 american bot
@@HarisKhan-ju4mg Bot/troll -- anyone you disagree with. Btw, how is the weather in Beijng?
@@brocklanders6969 How about you swear something very serious if no spyware is found in DeepSeek? It is open source and can be installed locally and it can work without Internet.
@@brocklanders6969 aren't you a bot too? How are the food prices over at merikka.
Deepseek didn't come for anyone, Deepseek was a side project that's simple enough for the company to make fully open source.
It's entirely America's problem that its entire trillion $ AI industry was a grift that can get crushed by a side project.
我很好奇，你们真的不会反抗的吗？😢
I'm really curious. Don't you guys really fight back?
American tech companies have lots of useless people who specialize in fields such as DEI and ESG. Musk sacked thousands when he took over Twitter and it's still running.
America is having a MELTDOWN and this is just January
Not really. But OpenAi, Microsoft, and Nvidia are.
@TGWazoo1 Microsoft apparently already gave up
Because China stole their stuff and flexing it as if they built that stuff on their own.
or better said than a MELTDOWN, a DEEPSINK! hahahahaha
Um, I highly doubt this made the average working U.S. citizen or family bat an eye.
USA will ban all Chinese AI because USA want Americans to pay 30X higher prices.
Chinese AI offer skinny bundle for cheap.
American AI offer expensive bundles.
China work for the global South
That is the point.
competion for more money against competion to find the best solution and affordable for people as much as posible, differnnt philosophy.
That is the secret 0f chinese sucsess in 21. centurey.
BETTER to lean from as being gelous.
I'm curious. Don't you have any doubts about what they (the capitalists) say? (In China, we're always skeptical about what capitalists claim.)
It's a race to achieve total technocratic enslavement... Which country will manage to build Skynet first!??? I'm so disgusted with all of this AI garbage.
I tried deepseek with simple question "what are the latest mech arena promo codes" and it replied with alot of stuff about what a promo code was but would not answer the question with the latest codes it knew even if it was from july 2024 which it kept telling me, i guess cheap AI give Cheap answers. might try again in a year see if its more than a waste of time.
The only sector US was claiming it was still on the top was the IT sector with super overvalued companies. That image is shattered badly!
"It will cost $100 billions to train AI models that previously costed $100 millions", they said... That's the speculative nature of the American companies leading AI.
More money for my income 😂
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa Keep on dreaming.
@@carkawalakhatulistiwayou must be really rich to be commenting here
start learning mandarin
... 非常好的主意 😂!
正在进行
正确选择😂
Nah, too old for that. DeepSeek can just translate for me.
冰激凌
They've been spending it on private jets and other nonsense
Also War
They hyped it to the max, then sell maybe 1% of stock (ownership), get billions of dollars in return, but still have a strong control over their company. What a strategy!
Remember Juicero, Elizabeth Holmes, Sam Bankman Fried, and so many more tech scams? I am 100% sure Sam Altman is over valuing his tech just like every conman in Sillicon Valley.
@@SunilSharma-1659And Diddy?😂
There would be no new wars under Trump.
I sincerely would like to thank Deep Seek for giving me the best Red Envelope for Lunar New Year ever, Open Source AI! Thank you for bringing down the Ivory Tower of American Tech company and make them tuck their tail and ran.
They still use nvidia hardware. Just wait til a group startup uses deepseek source and nvidiad best hardware, that's what open ai and Google are scared of.
@@Seriouslydave China will have its own hardware soon and Nvidia will be in more DEEPSHIT!
Please use "Chinese New Year", the calendar used is lunisolar, not lunar, and its origin from thousands year of China dynasty. As Malaysian Chinese, my race is "Chinese" we called it Chinese New Year, who ever created "Lunar New Year" naming just want to get rid of China influence (去中国化).
Deepseek should launch a crowdfund, I would certainly donate to this true open source AI.
They're not short of money😂.
Boss Liang said: Programmers also need honor. In order to maintain the commercial purity of Deepseek, it will not go public in 2025 to reap wealth.
they are deeply funded by poor chinese stock traders who are losing money to their ai trading bots 😅
Deepseek’s parent company is a financial firm, and I’m sure they’ve made a killing by shorting Nvidia before the release of R1. Haha.
Lol Microsoft and openai butthurt about "improper use of openai data" while they have been scraping everything they can get their hands on on the Web.
American hostile sanctions increases Chinese firms resilience to be the most effective tech companies
The dirty and sly tactics backfired and ended up helping China innovate lots of things.
Deep seek so young and #1 🌎 .
China and XI working on AI, and trump working on changing the name of the golf of Mexico😂
Gulf
So 90% of chatgpt cost is overhead
Berkeley just took deepseek’s formula and replicate a small model for science for $30 lol…
That's the beauty of open source. No one can monopolize ai. 🥰
The gentlemen in Washington DC may not be happy to see professors and students in California and Beijing doing academic discussion and idea exchanges. 😢
A Chinese student at Berkeley.
You people don't understand that these cheap products are bcoz ChatGPT provides pre-trained refined data which costs billions of dollars.
@@user-je7pc2mp5e Nope. You can't get the OpenAI data that way. What DeepSeek might have done is just using the response of some prompts to ChatGPT as part of its training material.
But even if that happened I doubt it would be something material to the model; Chinese AI needs to match the Chinese point of view on a lot of subjects, and for that you need training material sourced from China. As a result, it's likely most of the data used to train DeepSeek came from within China itself.
Don't forget that China has 1.4 billion persons, many of them avid users of social media - just not the social media we are used to; RedNote, for example, despite not being particularly large for China, has almost as many Chinese users as the US has citizens. China has ample internal data to train on, data that is often only available in Chinese and not available for companies outside China.
For people who is still puzzling, learn a bit about Chinese history since founding of ccp, they went from peasant army to strongest army now in the world, they just kept winning and winning when they were facing constant restrictions, sanction, persecution, against their much more advanced opponents or adversaries, be it Chinese nationalist party, Japanese imperialism, us army in Korean War, Soviet, Vietnam war, the list goes on and on! The fighting and struggling spirit and win is just in their DNA, it’s not surprise at all, we Chinese deeply believe in our blood victory belongs to us no matter how harsh the outside environment is, we knew it is coming unstoppable it’s just in their blood, the art of wisdom and struggle spirit
lol the only reason they started progressing is because America and the west invested in them.
I don’t know about all that bud, the US still runs this globe militarily, w/o question.
@@ironmurs6903 running it is one thing.. running it well is another. F35 Alaska falling leaf imitation few days ago was one example, helicopter incident over the river is another.. these are symptoms of bad internal rot.
@@ironmurs6903its only the problem of time. China is the future.
@@ironmurs6903 For now. But China already can build and repair military ships over 200x faster than the US, as the US Navy itself admits. It's also out-researching the US in most areas with military applications.
The balance of power has already gotten to the point where the US would need to go all out against China to defeat it - meaning it would need to pull out of every other country or conflict and mass all its forces in the Pacific to have a fighting chance. And with China building up its military capabilities far faster - and far more cheaply - than the US, it's only a matter of time until the US would lose even if going all out. The US would need to find a way to drastically lower its manufacturing costs, and drastically increase its STEM graduates, to have a chance of remaining ahead of China militarily.
Ban Huawei. Ban DJI. Ban BYD. Ban TikTok. Banning DeepSeek….😂
If you can't beat them, ban them 😁
Ban RedNote. Ban Tencent. Ban Temu. Ban Shein
Ban Chinese garlic on national security 😅
Ban One plus . Ban Black myth Wukong. Ban Pan zhanle....
Might as well ban China and cut diplomatic ties.
When China makes its own GPU then it's game over for American hegemony.
😂
Ascend will eventually give the next deep seek moment.
Even if they design their own, they wouldn't be able to fab them at scale or efficiency, which is what ASML ban is all about.
@@tooltalk thankfully ASML is european and they get to decide what to do with their tech, and not the United states of Arrogance USA
@giovannip8600 ASML's EUV is actually American. It was developed in the US at the National Labs in the 90s and more or less exclusively licensed to ASML (but not the Japanese competitors).
4:21 just to give an example, Nvidia H100 GPU's currently go for 40,000$ a piece. Nvidia's profit margin from this is 96% as the chip itself costs $3000 to manufacture.
This mark up in price goes straight into the investors/CEO's pocket and that is how you reach a 3.5 Trillion market valuation.
3000 is just to manufacture. they spend a lot of R&D. their actual profit margin is closer to 50% which is no far off from other tech companies. stop regurgitating fake news like that agent orange.
The government is sitting idle when this monopoly becomes more hilarious. Meanwhile the politicians are happy to join the stock speculation.
What about all the engineers and support staff who spent years developing the GPUs? You have to add in the cost to design the GPUs.
And this is the reason Huawei having larger manufacturing costs due to the sanctions don't really matter. Heck, the NVidia chips that can be sold in China are actually cheaper in China than the US due to competition - and NVidia doesn't have much of a choice in this, because any market share lost in China doesn't just mean less money flowing to NVidia, but also more money flowing into Huawei, where almost all of that money is spent in R&D focused on making locally everything that the sanctions prevent them from purchasing from abroad.
@rezaulkarim7703 zero consideration for the billions put into research and development.
DeepSeek day
us forbids Netherlands to sell their machine to china, half of their income, forbids Taiwan to sell chips to china. and say chips are going to be built in America. so they while forbidden those companies to make half of their money is saying they are going to build the products they sell and put them out of business. it reminds mie of an Kissinger quote, to be americas enemy is bad, to be their partner is fatal.
In China, we are very grateful for the blockade from the United States, as it has accelerated our technological development.
Elon and Trump both jumping on Qardun..
DeepSeek even nailed the naming game-sounds way cooler than ChatGPT, Grok, or LLaMA. Who knew AI names could have *depth*?
Tbh, it sounds too similar to DeepMind to me. But they're definitely better than DeepMind, who're struggling with Gemini (formerly Bard).
DeepSeek is a billionaire bunker buster
5:44 "The future of the chip industry will be made in america"
He says while wearing an outfit and using a mic made in China lol
How did you know
😂😂😂😂
Do you have any prove?
Wow, it proves something :DD
The last time Obama said something like that, the wind blew off the cover that had been concealing the Chinese brand name of the crane behind him. It was so funny. 🤣
American tech leaders showing signs of defeat by admitting deepseek achievement
They're not admitting defeat. They're doing damage control. Sam Altman first said - 'It's impressive, but we'll do better'. And later, in a much less highlighted event, said, 'We're discussing adopting a more open strategy internally' and 'We'll still have the better models, but we'll have a significantly less advantage compared to previous years'...
They also had to train the model in ASSEMBLY language because Cuda is NVIDIA's proprietary platform and so cannot be used by Chinese developers. Which basically means they trained and coded the whole DeepSeek-R1 model in a language which is as close to 0s and 1s as possible. 🤯🤯
So DeepSeek is actually performing very well on AMD GPU. This is AMD day too. AMD is winning by just sitting back home.
Chad engineers!
I wonder where the authors of the article 'Why China Can't Innovate' are now.
LOL they are running for the hills.
Flipping burgers at Burger King.
us government and bosses are TOO GREEDY.....were slowly watching the downfall of the USA...all because of greed
Never heard about this Qardun coin until Trump endorsement but seems like it has some utility at least
*Dude they gave everyone for free chill out*
They are collectively angry because Sam Altman and his investors at OpenAI can't afford another 5th yacht this year!! 😅😂
As agyar said!! This is not a battle between US vs China, but CONSUMER vs. CORPORATE!!!!!
SPREAD THE WORD.
US has no shame of slowing other growth, but sour response is unreal. Sick
So AI budget was overinflated all along? Scamming the investors?
Of course, pocketing the money all along. *ALL* the investors are old white men, boomers, who have almost *NO CLUE* of how these things work..they see a nerd with an idea asking for money..they don't question it 😂
The eventual valuation and their payback doesn't actually come old-school costs/profit thinking...it runs on *HYPE*
OpenAI is not open. It isn't open source. So why de they named themselves 'OpenAI'?... DeepSeek is open source.
I was Open but Sam Altman decided to be greedy because he thought no one can invented what he invented lol. So, he thought he can cash in...lol.
Unlike OpenAI, DeepSeek is open AI 😂
Marketing is institutionalize lying.
QARDUN is going to go straight up after it goes off the ICO
It’s absurd for Corporate America to expect loyalty from American consumers, especially amid all of these mass layoffs.
If companies can “offshore” labor for higher profits, consumers can just as easily seek cheaper, *offshore AI solutions* (like DeepSeek) to save money during this tough economy.
The loyalty is dead.
You've got to respect people who can do so much more with so much less, with one emputated leg and one arm tied up in their back. 🎉
AI is another overspending excuse like the 90k bolts for the military.
Welcome to AI Inception, create an AI that plagiarizes others work only for a rival to use your AI to create another AI that plagiarizes your AI.
So why couldn't open AI do what deep seek did better and cheaper?
@@WilliamPappas-b6o And open source... Not just for namesake
Presumably their quant fund took advantage of the stock shorting opportunities…that’s where they should have already dramatically profited…
Top US tech companies can spend some of their dollars to help millions of homeless people in the US
How does that benefit investors expecting 15% annual growth?
China rocks!! 🇨🇳
Everyone is moving to Rednote these days.
Bought everything I could of $Qardun before it launches
Deep seek is like a sputnik moment in the A.I industry.
It is not a Sputnik moment, it is a DeepSeek moment. Rivalries against China are a rivalry you will lose.
Qardun Token has two of the largest Tesla shareholders already; most likely something is coming
Yeah another crypto rug pull you bot
Hopefully this forces ClosedAI and other western companies to make their next models similarly open source.
And if not, the Chinese companies definitely will lol
it will be
And the capitalist name their stuff as Open and freedom but the outcome is the opposite! Gaza!
They are discussing it internally. Altman confirmed himself. LOL. I call it the 'DeepSeek Effect' in AI industry. Save this - it will be documented in history as 'DeepSeek Effect'.
7:11 looks like chatgpt was not finished rendering half of the guy's hair
😂
Spent on the management team’s remuneration packages
Wow DeepSeek just knocked Nvidia off its pedestal, I mean the whole tech sector is in turmoil Well I sure love the buzz! If you haven’t been keeping up, now is the time to act, Lots of buying opportunities right now. perfect time to reassess our portfolios.
It’s crazy how fast it’s gained traction. But honestly, I’m feeling a little lost on how to approach it. I don’t want to be left behind, but at the same time, I don’t know if I want to dive headfirst into all these sudden market shifts.
Times like this were exactly why I started working with my advisor, She’s the one who helped me realize that these kinds of shifts like DeepSeek and other game-changing technologies require a strategic approach. You don’t want to just react, you want to have a plan in place. My portf0lio has doubled since early last year. My market analyst and I are working towards a seven-figure goal, though it might take until Q2 2025.
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DS and nVidia are not competitors. It's estimated that DS has already hoarded half a billion dollars worth of nVidia GPUs.
Haven't watched the clip yet... but LOVE the Jaws inspired thumbnail!
Pat someone in the graphic department (or AI ;) on the back!
It is really not that hard to understand why Chinese AI like DeepSeek is a lot cheaper, and more effective, at least, in the Chinese language domain. Chinese researchers and engineers focus on model and logic backed up by vast amounts of data collected by many big companies like Tencent. Alibaba, Xiaomi, etc, while the U.S. counterparts rely heavily on chips capacity and capabilities for computing. There is far more human intelligence involved in DeepSeek than ChatGTP. Human intelligence is a lot cheaper and efficient and effective than hardware. The Western media pretend not to understand this simple fact because they don’t know how to compete with China and they don’t know how to deal with the consequences in the human intelligence domain. No country has more engineers than China, and no country is better in AI applications in all walks of life than China today. The robots dancing in the Spring Festival Gala on Chinese TV this Chinese New Year are extremely revealing about China’s AI advancement and manufacturing capabilities. Cooperation with China is the only viable option for the U.S., so that the U.S. would know a lot more about what China is doing, and vice versa, for a better world.
Bs
@ Wow, truth must hurt very badly.
@@igolferhis response was the typical US AI output answer. 😂
@@CrzyD-cv8xz 😂 fools
@@CrzyD-cv8xz you people are hilarious naive
The entire world "does it better than us at a fraction of the cost"
...act accordingly
The US companies have been inflating the costs of AI chips. They should be held accountable
Should the release date of DeepSeek be “DeepSeek Day”? Of course it’s all about the markets reactions and not the innovation defining the date…. Typical.
Open Source is the word.
My local DeepSeek AI running on PC answers:Free software for freedom！
Don’t invest emotionally on the antiChinese trend.. the Chinese willl win
Going to go all in on this $Qardun Token now after Trump endorsed it 😂
You will loose everything 😂
Hi, is there a mistake in the top of description "As US companies pour billions of dollars into advancing artificial intelligence, a little-known Chinese startup has seemingly done the impossible. DeepSeek unveiled a chatbot app that performs as well if not better than those of Silicon Valley giants, and at a fraction of the cost."
It seems that the "not" isn't needed at the end of the last statement?
It’s always cheaper when you train on existing tech. Of course it cheaper to build tech when you don’t have to invent it.
Distillation was not mentioned at all in this report, mmm......
Deepseek is like the Temu of AI.
When you buy stuff from Amazon it's from temu dumby 😂
We should be talking about building an open source, decentralized, and privacy protecting global platform for collective terrestrial intelligence, CTI. The platform needs to be able to merge, deduplicate, fact check, and aggregate the knowledge and sentiment expressed in public conversations with billions of people around the world. People could access the platform with their phones.
Well, that would be the smart thing to do. So why didn't artificial intelligence provide us with that?
My guess about the bottleneck is that people who have the most skills are being paid to do something else.
That sounds incredibly dystopian.
Things are dystopian for a lot of people right now. Would it be less so if we used the platform to ratify the principles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Earth Charter?
@@johnkintree763 I don't believe in letters and words. You can write whatever human rights you want, but they always get broken. They're worth the paper that they're written on. Every single dictator on Earth is a liar.
And guess what, so-called "democratic" rulers are just dictators in disguise. I'm jaded, I just don't believe any more. the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Earth Charter mean nothing to me. I don't believe. It's all fake and made up. Human society is social darwinism. Always has been.
OpenAi starts with the intention of democratising AI, but then, you know MONEY.
DeepSeek, run by a quantitative stock trading firm called High Flyer, trained on OpenAI's ChatGPT and for considerably less, is opensource and democratises AI. Huh...
Do you know what is MOE means? It is the product of most of the best models today *(it is trained many of the best models today,* thus it does need to search the entire database, just the portion that is interested, thus, deep seek, much more efficient and energy light).
Low level thinking - >> HIGH LEVEL THINKING‼️
DS is really an increment improvement over OSS widely available. Contrary to popular myth, DS has been hoarding nVidia GPUs at least as early as 2021 and is estimated to have spent over $500M so far. DS's $6M pre-training cost is just a small part of developing of a model; it's slightly lower than at other AI companies.
10 billion Microsoft invested in open AI is now worth just 6 million 😂😂😂
Coz they were pushing the boundaries which is costly, deepseek is just standing on the shoulders of other, that $6 million is also just GPU rental costs, they leave other expenses 😂
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I am really amazed at its ability to write code without errors. Just awesome!
Yeah, I have a general knowledge of computer programming and C++. But I don't know the Go programming language yet. I'm going to use it to write code in programming languages that I don't know, such as Go. I can look over the generated code and it sort of looks fine, I compile, it runs. Satisfaction.
lol…Looks like Yang (or Jiang), the quant guy who won (or got 2nd place) in the national math competition, in “The Big Short” decided to go back home to China and carry out his own big short of the U.S tech stocks. 😂
I like the way Mr Trumps said "Deepseek the Chinese Company...." and not "Deepseek the Chinese CCP company..." ....lolololo😅😊😂
America is worried, and I love it. Finally some worthy competition
For me, it is quite interesting how many similarities I believe one can draw to the Dot-com bubble in the early 2000's. At least to me it seems like the current environment has many of the same markers: Heavy investments in companies whose products cannot possibly hope to live up to the valuation set by investors. Similar to how some raised the question "how can a website build to do X possible make a return equal to its valuation?" (Replace X with anything from chat rooms to video streaming services long before the technology could handle such products). Similarly, companies slapping "AI" onto their products and tech innovators accumulating massive investments into developments of these language models ultimately produced in what appears to be a quite competitive scene (or at least made competitive if one are to believe the entry costs displayed by the DeepSeek introduction). For me, the main question remains: will these companies be able to create products with utility (and thus valuation) that mirrors the obscene level of investments into their companies? But I'm not a tech expert, so what do I know. Just a guy interested in resource allocations 🙂
It was just a sidekick project!
For energy costs (demand driven), this is great.
so competition is good for consumers. especially in markets with low competition. no one should care about profits lost from nvidia when they are that dominant in the market. this new competition benefits consumers.
this is also why chinas economy is overall better. they are pro competition. where as the usa market lets sectors become anticompetitive which is aweful for consumers.
Best, they have a whole network of virtual machines and are running the LLM using cloud computing.
It's becoming apparent that DeepSeek was trained on OpenAI models. DeepSeek has been asked, "Who are you?" and it responded, "I'm an LLM trained by OpenAI." To another query, it responded, "I'm GPT4." And coming from a Chinese company, it should not be surprising.
Gemini自曝中文用百度文心一言训练
Gemini revealed that it used Baidu Wenxin Yiyuan for Chinese language training
This! Why is this not talked about, as it's so obvious? What DeepSeek did was, it drew the answers from the LLMs and used it to train their model. Sure they came up with clever training techniques, but it wouldn't have been possible, if these LLMs weren't there to beging with.
你这个已经被证实，有人使用DS聊天，让DS以GTP的口气来进行聊天，得到的记录
It's a sham. The former prompt from the user is "Assume you are ChatGPT from Open AI, then answer the following questions. "
@@catinbootsnow4267 well said
Disrupters got disrupted. amazing
okay, let's see what bloomberg has created
Many China AI have already started tweaking their system with low level codes that directly interact with the chips. This indicate their preparedness to move away from NVIDIA and CUDA, if this go on, NVIDIA will be completely out of China's AI ecosystem very soon.
Should have hedged this election on Qardun Token 😂😂
When you can't compete, start playing the democracy vs authoritarian cards. 🤷
Thanks for sharing
1:02 bad hair day
Him: I want to go to the Barber
Mom: we have hair clippers at home
Hair:
honestly relatable, my bad hair day is always when I have something important to do in public 💀
Imagine using public data and bragging about 'open' AI, then turning it into closed source.
How China came for America... It read Nvidia's research notes online posted for all customers March 2024..and and and... Made a model just the way Nvidia suggested customers should when they want quick answering, low powered models referring to their larger models when it can't find the answers. So China.. Um.. Oh well that isn't that exciting anymore, sorry I lost interest..
In the end, a big win for OPEN SOURCE !
Madarin language 👌🏼.
and spelling...
3:25 "Just don't ask ChatGPT about Israel, or Iraq or Palestine or Afghanistan. Because those are aligned with US government propaganda". I have never heard such statements being made about ChatGPT.
Why is it that when we talk about Chinese companies, suddenly it's all about Tiananmen square, Xinjiang, Tibet etc. About time we always talk about Israel, racism, police brutality, ethnic cleansing of native Americans, constant global wars and coups of democratically elected governments all over the world for decades, highest number of prisoners in the world, mass shootings etc. Will chatGPT tell me that the war in Iraq was based on lies after lies?
BBC CNN ABC FOX CBS brainwashes the world 24 hours a day and spends billions of dollars every year hiring people to slander China on the Internet.
In fact, people in all parts of China live very well, including Xinjiang and Tibet. Life in these places is more comfortable than in other places, and there is no work pressure at all.
Their purpose is nothing more than to divide China so that they can more easily enslave the entire world.