I am in a discussion in another video about this very topic right now and the guy keeps saying it only matters where the ball first hits. OMG!! Like trying to explain to a rock.
I doesn't have to hit fair first. I said "if the ball comes off the bat and hits in the infield first." The infield consists of both fair an foul territory. If the ball hits in the infield first (fair or foul) you must wait to make the call. If it first touches in the outfield (fair or foul) you make the call immediately.
The infield is the 90ft square between the bases and consists only of fair territory. The rules about fair and foul refer to the ball's position relative to first or third base, not relative to the infield as a total area.
@@babababad Would disagree on a couple points of your interpretation. I would say that there is foul ground in the infield…which differs from foul ground in the outfield. Also, the fair portion of the infield would include the dirt area-or the line that represents it (as the shift ban requires infielder to be in the infield at T.O.P.).
@@MwD676 so by rule, the dirt track beyond the 90 ft square was always part of the outfield until *this year*, when OBR is getting an update to regulate field dimensions that alters the definition of "infield" to include everything out to the grass. The use of the whole dirt area to define infielders has always been a matter of custom, not rule (although the shift ban curiously relied on the customary boundary rather than the written definition). For the purpose of fair/foul, however, the bases continue to be the boundary, not the grassline.
Fair. Here is the part of rule 2.00 that covers this; A FAIR BALL is a batted ball that while over fair territory, passes out of the playing field in flight. The pole is in fair territory. It should be called a fair pole, because if the ball hits the pole, or goes over it, it is a fair ball.
My knees won't let me umpire any more, but one of the things I always used to do when the running lane was marked as it is in this video is rub out about 6 inches of the line connecting the foul line to the outside edge of the chalked running lane. The last thing any of us needs is the ball being picked up or touched while it's lying in chalk right next to the foul line. WE might be able to see clearly that it is in foul ground, but all a coach is going to see is the ball resting in chalk.
@elvis55555 This was covered in the video. It's judged by where it is when it is first touched, or first touches the ground. The infield has fair and foul ground, and so does the outfield. If it hits in the infield first, you can't rule until it stops, passes first or third, or is touched. If it first lands, or is touched in the outfield, you rule immediately. I explained this in the video.
But if ball hits fair before going past first, bounces in air foul, the fielder is standing in foul ground, ball clearly goes past the line, then is caught by 1B before ever touching the ground, is that fair or foul? Ball hits fair, spins in air, veers foul, and while ball is in the air in foul territory first baseman catches ball, fair or foul?
@g8sboys - the ball would be ruled fair or foul the instant the fielder touched it. If it is ruled foul, the ball is dead immediately. No runner may be put out while the ball is dead. The video explained how to rule whether it is fair or foul.
I’ve tried to explain it to so many people who thought the ump should’ve been suspended or fired for that call. I’ll just send them this video from now on. As I told one guy, it’s not going to be a “maybe,” that call will be scored correct on the umps evaluation.
@tomthebarfly - this was covered in the video. If the ball touched the ground before passing first or third, and then was touched while over fair ground, it's a fair ball.
Then of course there is this play: “On May 27, 1981, Lenny Randle of the Seattle Mariners tries to blow a ground ball into foul territory. After initially calling the ball foul, home plate umpire Larry McCoy reverses his call and awards Amos Otis of the Kansas City Royals with a controversial infield single. Randle’s explanation that he was merely yelling at the ball not to stay fair is initially convincing until Royals’ manager Jim Frey complains.”
You 100% correct I wish people would understand also thinks for putting this up. Not sure why people think the ball has to bounce pass third/first and if its in the air its a foul/fair were it lands. yawn....
I always thought that if the ball passes over the bag (1st or 3rd) in fair territory, whether or not it's touched the ground or not yet, it's fair, even if it lands foul. But I guess that's only the case if it hits the ground first.
This is correct. Put most simply, if the ball is hit in the air and doesn't land until it has passed first or third - the judgement of fair or foul depends on where it lands. Where it was when it passed first or third is irrelevant if the ball doesn't land until it passes first or third. If the ball hits the ground BEFORE reaching first or third, whether foul or fair depends on where the ball is when it passes first or third base. There are of course rare exceptions to this rule (ball coming to rest, fielder touching the ball, etc.), but this is the general gist of the rule.
@mlbguru58 You're 100% wrong. The base is in fair territory, and the rule states "A FAIR BALL is a batted ball that settles on fair ground between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that is on OR OVER fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base." The ball is OVER fair territory when it goes over the base. Therefore, when it goes past the base, it is fair, regardless of where it subsequently lands. That's the rule and how it's taught at pro school.
@TheDemonpwner If it didn't hit you and it came to a stop in the fair territory part of the batter's box, then it's a fair ball. If it touched you, or it stopped on the foul side, then it would be a foul ball.
I think if the ball rolls down the first or third base line and hits the base of first or third base, it's automatically a fair ball, even if the ball then rolls backwards and into foul territory.
In a situation where the right fielder is going after a fly ball and his feet are in fair territory and the ball tails to the foul side of the line. So his feet are in fair territory and makes contact in the air with the ball that is now hovering foul. What's the call? Is it still where the ball is in relation to the line?
@@MwD676 correct. In football and basketball the line is OB. In baseball even if any part of the ball is hovering OR touchingany part of the line when a ruling is made it's considered fair
@@vincesmith2499 As I recall, there was a ball that flew over 3rd base on a fly and then landed inches foul just beyond the bag. Manning thought it was a fair ball because the ball went over the base. I came to this video to assure myself that Rick was indeed wrong.
If a ball hit in the infield rolls towards foul territory, it is not foul when it comes to a stop or is touched before it reaches first or third base unless the entire ball is over foul territory. The ball does not have to physically touch the foul line to be fair. In a recent Cubs-Cards game, the catcher touched what he thought was a foul ball because the ball was no longer touching the foul line. However, the umpire ruled it a fair ball because part of the ball was still above the foul line.
If the ball comes to rest on foul territory before passing the base, it is foul even if part of the ball is over the line. This is the one exception to the "on or over" principle in judging fair or foul.
Generally speaking, a ball that is hit in the air and LANDS or IS TOUCHED *_beyond_* first or third base, whether that ball is fair or foul depends on where it lands or was touched. If the ball hits the ground BEFORE reaching first or third base, foul or fair depends on where the ball was when it PASSED first or third base. This is a semi-complicated rule of baseball. While complicated, it's also pretty rare that you need to know the difference. Examples : 1) A batter hits a ball down the first base line *_in the air._* That ball has spin and is curving due to that spin. It passes first base *_IN THE AIR_* on the fair side of first base, but lands in foul territory. That is a foul ball - because the first time it hit the ground was BEYOND first base, and in foul territory. 2) A batter hits a ground ball down the first base line. The ball hits the ground BEFORE reaching first base and eventually bounces OVER first base and lands in foul territory beyond first base. This is a fair ball. If the ball hits the ground before reaching first or third, only then does it matter where the ball was when it crossed beyond first or third. OPPOSITES : 3) You don't ever really see this happen because physics, but suppose a batter hit the ball IN THE AIR down the line toward third base. The ball crosses third base (still in the air) in foul territory, but first lands (or touched) in fair territory. This is a fair ball. 4) A batter hits a ball down the third base line, and that ball bounces BEFORE reaching third base, but because of the spin, it bounces over third base and lands in fair territory beyond third base. This is a fair ball. Bottom line : A ball hit in the air that doesn't land or is not touched until it has passed first or third is judged foul or fair by where it lands or where the ball was when it was first touched. A ball that hits the ground BEFORE reaching first or third is judged fair or foul by where it was when it passed first or third base.
How could a ball cross third base in foul territory when the entire base is in fair territory? Or do you mean the ball passes third base in foul territory?
@babababad When I say "cross", I dont mean literally over the base. I mean when it passes first base. The only time this matters is if the ball hits the ground BEFORE passing first/third. In these cases, the ball is foul it it passes on the foul side of the base. It is fair if it passes on the fair side or any part of the ball passes over the base.
Hola. Pido disculpas al autor de este video en forma anticipada. Es que lo edite y lo subtitule al español para utilizarlo como recurso didáctico en estudiantes. Es fantástico. Mil gracias por compartirlo
That's just not the way they made the rules. If it lands fair beyond first or third, it is fair regardless of where it bounces. But, balls that first touch the ground before the bases are not judged until they stop or are touched.
@adriangs112 Did you watch the video? The ball is ruled fair or foul after it stops or is touched. Simple as that. Answer to your question; it's fair if it stops or is touched in fair territory. The fact that it hit behind the plate first, means nothing.
im here after watching Matt Cain talk about his no-no perfect game.... yeah that was a hit, Matt and Buster really deserve an Oscar for acting like still to this day its an impossible call to make.... when you see chalk fly up from the ball and everything else explained with the ruling. still a nice outing thou, just shouldnt have been a perfect game.
What if it’s a fly ball that bounces in fair territory and over the foul line and is touched by a player in foul territory before the ball touches the ground?
A play happen in the major where the umpire call a ball foul that bounced before the bag riding the line fair /foul ,crossed the bag in the air, and landed fair but was called foul.How soon to call it fair /foul when the ball crosses over (fair)or pass the bag(foul)?The umpire view might haved seen the ball foul and called it right even though it landed fair after the bag .
I can't pick up the exact wording in the video, and I don't believe it was covered explicitly. If the ball is rolling from home toward 1st / 3rd and is touching the ground in foul territory, BUT the edge of the ball is over the chalked line when touched, is it fair, or foul. The Yankees /Royals game today the announcers were criticizing the fair call that was made in this situation. Ultimately didn't matter, because the hitter got greedy and was easily thrown out at second.
Actually a ground ball never has to hit in fair territory to be a fair ball(although this may not be physically possible). All that matters concerning if it is fair or foul is where it is when it crosses first or third base. Where it hits the ground before it gets to the base or after it gets to the base is irrelevant.
Where a ball hits the ground is absolutely relevant. You say a ground ball never has to touch fair territory to be fair. If the ball off the bat is foul all the way to the bag and then bounces over the bag, it will most certainly be in fair territory. Or else be called a foul ball.
I was in an argument with a coach. Please help me. So his batter hit a grounder the ball immediately went downward off the bat and bounced about 2 feet left of the foul line going fast toward 3rd on the ground and the ball hit a pebble or little Rock and shot it back into fair and went passed outb3rd basemen in fair. That's got to be foul never in my life have a I saw a ball basically roll 2 feet outside of the foul line and richochet back fair off a pebble to be fair before passing 3rd. That has to be foul?
I respectfully disagree. Concerning a bounding ball, the only thing that determines whether it is fair or foul is where it is when it passes first or third base. Nothing else matters. Where the ball first hits the ground is irrelevant or where the ball hits after it passes the base is irrelevant.
If that ball passed over 3rd base then it is a fair ball. Again, whether it hits the ground in foul territory before it passes the base or hits in foul territory directly after passing over the base doesn’t matter. It’s really quite simple. The only thing that determines whether a bounding ball is fair or foil is it position when it passes first or third base.
Just for clarification...not sure if this will even be seen, but the entire base is considered fair territory correct? We had a ball glance off of first base (right on the foul line) and it was deemed foul. Not sure the umpire saw it, but I was coaching first and saw and heard it hit the very side of first base. I would have argued, but he already ruled it foul and the runner turned around before even getting to first. I don't think an argument would have mattered if the play didn't get played out all the way.
I think his statement that it has to hit in fair territory first is inaccurate. If the ball is still bounding, then it can't be called until it settles, is touched or passes 1st or 3rd base. It could come off the bat, hit downward, touch foul territory first, then hook into fair and be touched. This would be a fair ball.
2 : 28 You define it as a fair ball. Which rule number do you mean? FAIR BALL is a batted ball that settles on fair ground between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that is on or over fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base. this IS the rule. YES or No? If - Yes! Please look at what is written. and it is written after bouncing over the bases the ball touches into the outfield behind the bases. YES OR NO? IF YES - Ball is FAIR. Then if the ball does not touch the outfield and touches another territory, then according to the rules this ball is a foul. Yes or No?
firstpickjim if the ball hits the infield first in fair territory then is touched over foul territory while the fielder is standing fair, what is the call?
wuseng01 did the ball hit before the base or after? if it hit before the base wherever the fielder touches it, that’s the call but if the ball hits after the base it doesn’t matter where the fielder touches it, it is called in whichever territory it lands in first. and i believe even though he is standing in fair territory it is considered foul because that’s where the ball was when it was touched
@@wuseng01 If it hasn’t passed 1st or 3rd, it is a foul ball. The position of the fielder has no effect on fair or foul, just that he touched the ball. If the ball already passed the base, then it is whether it passed over (or touched) any part of the base, then it is fair, otherwise foul.
This is my first year watching baseball and I'm not American so I wouldn't have even played it in gym but I'm sure I've seen many a ball bound into foul territory and an outfielder has played it!
When touched by a fielder, ball must simply be ‘over’ fair ground. When it lands beyond the base or settles before the base, it must be ‘touching’ fair territory. Weird distinction, to be sure.
Position of fielder’s body or effectiveness of his play has zero to do with fair/foul. It only matters where the ball is in relation to the line (when it’s touched, in this case).
if a batter bunts the ball and it first bounces in foul territory but then rolls into fair territory and stops in fair, is it foul or fair? this happened in a Cleveland Indians game a couple days ago and it was ruled fair during a suicide squeeze.
What about a ball, hit hard into the fair infield ground, single bounce only and then fielded behind 1st / 3rd in foul territory without bouncing again ?
In this case, if the ball first hits before reaching third or first, then it is foul or fair depending on whether it was over fair or foul territory when it passed first or third.
Fair. If a fly ball is in fair territory the moment it leaves the field of play, it is a home run. Where it lands no longer matters. There is no "fair" or "foul" territory in the stands.
Actually ,in the video you state , "..on a bounding ball, which is one that hits the bat, and then hits WITHIN the infield first......" so the question remains, what if the bounding ball hits the bat and DOESN'T hit within the infield first?
When a batter hits the ball and the ball bounces in the infield and lands but it has a spin and bounces to the first baseman, the first baseman catches the ball before it actually contacts the ground. The first baseman has his leg on the bag but when he catches the ball, the ball is on the foul side of the first base line. Is that a foul ball since he first touched it on the foul side? The ball had yet to pass first base yet it did make first Contact in the infield in Fair territory but the first baseman caught the ball and was standing on First Base but he caught the ball in foul territory when it had bounced to him.
If the fielder was on the infield side of first base and fields the ball in foul territory, it’s a foul ball. If the ball passes the base before being touched, it depends if it crossed the base in fair or foul territory. The position of the fielder’s feet means nothing.
A ball can’t cross the base in foul territory. The base is in fair territory. If a bounding ball crosses over the base it’s a fair ball. Nothing else matters.
Where the first baseman is standing has no relevance in whether the ball is fair or foul...The only thing that matters is where the ball is in relation to first base...If it’s over or inside of first base then it is a fair ball.....
is it a fair ball if the batter hits the ball, the ball hits the pitching rubber, and goes out of bounds before crossing 1st/3rd base and no one touches the ball?
When in doubt, treat the play as if it's fair ball. Umpires and coaches should be the ones in charge of which is fair or foul. Ask your coach or look up the rules.
@@cblodg1 It would be foul. The call is delayed until the ball stops, is touch by a fielder or passes 1st or 3rd base. None of those happened just because it hits the pitching rubber. (The pitching rubber is in front of the line from 1st to 3rd). If in a weird situation a batted ball hits second base and somehow rebounded in front of 3rd and went into foul territory, it would be a fair ball, because 2nd base is beyond 1st and 3rd base, so when it hits the field by hitting 2nd base it is fair no matter what happens after.
when a fielder dives for a pop up that is going out of bounds and catches the ball, and flies into the seats without his feet touching the ground after the catch, is this an out or a foul ball?
It’s an out if the fielder is still in play when he catches it. Otherwise it’s a foul ball. You can’t make an out in an out-of-play area like the stands or dugout.
If the runner kicks the ball while the ball is in fair territory, the batter is out. If the batter kicks the ball while the ball is in foul territory, it is a foul ball.
@@willoughbykrenzteinburg If the batter wants to make sure it stays foul, he might intentionally contact it. But if it’s judged as intentional by the umpire, he is out. 6.01a2 says it is interference by a batter or runner if he intentionally deflects the course of a foul ball on any manner.
Look, it don't matter if the infielder is not able to handle the play. If it's an infield fly ball, then the infielder should be able to handle it. Weather he does or not doesn't make any difference. It's an "infield fly rule" and that's the way it goes. The Batter is out when there's a runner at 1st or 2nd or bases loaded with less than 2 outs. There are no force plays at that time. All runners have to be tagged out. It's a live ball situation. It is a judgement call by the umps. Don't know if it is subject to video review or not. However, it pretty much has to be an infield batted fly ball. A deep fly ball to the outfield won't count for this purpose.
IFR only applies if the umpire judges that the ball is catchable with ordinary effort. So depending on why the fielder couldn't get to it, it might not be an infield fly.
How about you get a proper foul line and bag. You know, where the edge of the base and line are even with each other. Not here where the base sits in the middle of the line or how so many leagues do it where the base sits on the inside of the line. Because it matters! If it was shown here then leagues might start doing it properly.
I was in an argument with a coach. Please help me. So his batter hit a grounder the ball immediately went downward off the bat and bounced about 2 feet left of the foul line going fast toward 3rd on the ground and the ball hit a pebble or little Rock and shot it back into fair and went passed outb3rd basemen in fair. That's got to be foul never in my life have a I saw a ball basically roll 2 feet outside of the foul line and richochet back fair off a pebble to be fair before passing 3rd. That has to be foul?
I'm no expert, but if the ball hits the ground in foul territory, then kicks into fair territory before passing a base without a fielder touching it and stays fair, or passes a base in fair territory, it's a fair ball.
if a batted ball touches a base it is a fair ball. The bases are ALWAYS fair. AND, if a batted ball goes over a base in the air, it's fair for all purposes, no matter where it lands. It's fair, and that's just the way things go.
Wilcey Whatweekindo This is wrong. If the ball hits a base, it is fair - - this is true. The second part is wrong. UNLESS the ball hits the ground BEFORE passing first or third. Then and only then, the judgement on whether or not it is fair or foul is where it was when it passed the bag (if it does indeed pass the bag). A ball hit in the air PAST first or third is not fair or foul until it hits the ground - regardless of whether it was fair or foul when it passed first or third.
Willoughby Krenzteinburg Ok. well I was under the impression that you were an actual umpire somewhere since it appears that you are dressed up as one in the video. Are you just a fan of the game? or perhaps a baseball enthusiast? Or an umpire groupie? Have you ever umpired in some type of official league? I was an actual umpire for 20 years, and I never had much of a problem with fair or foul. Some managers and coaches didn't like my fair or foul calls, but there was never a protested game for that reason. Fair or foul calls are mostly "basic" as you say, but at the same time they can be difficult to judge in a 2 man mechanical game. Do you know anything about 2 man or 3 man mechanics? Just curious.
It's the right call. As soon as the ball goes over the bag it's fair. You don't call it foul until it stops or touched by a fielder if it is in foul territory
Tom Haake but if a home run ball goes over the bag fair then goes out of the stadium on the foul side of the foul pole is it a home Run? No it's a foul ball.
Correct Brayden, however, the explanation at 2:43 was talking about balls that had already touched the ground in front of 1st/3rd not balls that were hit directly out of the infield
@tomthebarfly - this was covered in the video. If the ball touched the ground before passing first or third, and then was touched while over fair ground, it's a fair ball.
I find it amazing how thoroughly it was explained and yet people still question it.🤦♂️🤦♂️
Lmayo
I am in a discussion in another video about this very topic right now and the guy keeps saying it only matters where the ball first hits. OMG!! Like trying to explain to a rock.
This needs to be sent to the Mets fans who think Riggs should be fired after he correctly called a fair ball when Walker swatted the ball away.
Wonderful video! I'm trying to learn the game and this helped very much. Thank you.
The ump is me; Jim Booth. I lived in Novato, CA for 30 years, up until 3 years ago.
Great explanation, need to get back into baseball mode out of basketball lol
I doesn't have to hit fair first. I said "if the ball comes off the bat and hits in the infield first." The infield consists of both fair an foul territory. If the ball hits in the infield first (fair or foul) you must wait to make the call. If it first touches in the outfield (fair or foul) you make the call immediately.
Thanks!!!
The infield is the 90ft square between the bases and consists only of fair territory. The rules about fair and foul refer to the ball's position relative to first or third base, not relative to the infield as a total area.
@@babababad
Would disagree on a couple points of your interpretation. I would say that there is foul ground in the infield…which differs from foul ground in the outfield.
Also, the fair portion of the infield would include the dirt area-or the line that represents it (as the shift ban requires infielder to be in the infield at T.O.P.).
@@MwD676 so by rule, the dirt track beyond the 90 ft square was always part of the outfield until *this year*, when OBR is getting an update to regulate field dimensions that alters the definition of "infield" to include everything out to the grass. The use of the whole dirt area to define infielders has always been a matter of custom, not rule (although the shift ban curiously relied on the customary boundary rather than the written definition).
For the purpose of fair/foul, however, the bases continue to be the boundary, not the grassline.
Fair. Here is the part of rule 2.00 that covers this; A FAIR BALL is a batted ball that while over fair territory, passes out of the playing field in flight.
The pole is in fair territory. It should be called a fair pole, because if the ball hits the pole, or goes over it, it is a fair ball.
thank you im trying to remember all the rules so i can play good this season
My knees won't let me umpire any more, but one of the things I always used to do when the running lane was marked as it is in this video is rub out about 6 inches of the line connecting the foul line to the outside edge of the chalked running lane. The last thing any of us needs is the ball being picked up or touched while it's lying in chalk right next to the foul line. WE might be able to see clearly that it is in foul ground, but all a coach is going to see is the ball resting in chalk.
@AbflugSupra Did you watch the video? It is explained quite clearly. That's a fair ball. Just as the umps correctly ruled.
@elvis55555 This was covered in the video. It's judged by where it is when it is first touched, or first touches the ground. The infield has fair and foul ground, and so does the outfield. If it hits in the infield first, you can't rule until it stops, passes first or third, or is touched. If it first lands, or is touched in the outfield, you rule immediately. I explained this in the video.
But if ball hits fair before going past first, bounces in air foul, the fielder is standing in foul ground, ball clearly goes past the line, then is caught by 1B before ever touching the ground, is that fair or foul? Ball hits fair, spins in air, veers foul, and while ball is in the air in foul territory first baseman catches ball, fair or foul?
the big help , thank you. umpire.
@g8sboys - the ball would be ruled fair or foul the instant the fielder touched it. If it is ruled foul, the ball is dead immediately. No runner may be put out while the ball is dead. The video explained how to rule whether it is fair or foul.
This explains the Pirates-Mets game earlier this year. Pitcher scooped the ball on the foul line, so it was definitely fair.
I’ve tried to explain it to so many people who thought the ump should’ve been suspended or fired for that call. I’ll just send them this video from now on. As I told one guy, it’s not going to be a “maybe,” that call will be scored correct on the umps evaluation.
@tomthebarfly - this was covered in the video. If the ball touched the ground before passing first or third, and then was touched while over fair ground, it's a fair ball.
Then of course there is this play:
“On May 27, 1981, Lenny Randle of the Seattle Mariners tries to blow a ground ball into foul territory. After initially calling the ball foul, home plate umpire Larry McCoy reverses his call and awards Amos Otis of the Kansas City Royals with a controversial infield single. Randle’s explanation that he was merely yelling at the ball not to stay fair is initially convincing until Royals’ manager Jim Frey complains.”
You 100% correct I wish people would understand also thinks for putting this up. Not sure why people think the ball has to bounce pass third/first and if its in the air its a foul/fair were it lands. yawn....
I always thought that if the ball passes over the bag (1st or 3rd) in fair territory, whether or not it's touched the ground or not yet, it's fair, even if it lands foul. But I guess that's only the case if it hits the ground first.
This is correct. Put most simply, if the ball is hit in the air and doesn't land until it has passed first or third - the judgement of fair or foul depends on where it lands. Where it was when it passed first or third is irrelevant if the ball doesn't land until it passes first or third.
If the ball hits the ground BEFORE reaching first or third, whether foul or fair depends on where the ball is when it passes first or third base.
There are of course rare exceptions to this rule (ball coming to rest, fielder touching the ball, etc.), but this is the general gist of the rule.
@mlbguru58 You're 100% wrong. The base is in fair territory, and the rule states "A FAIR BALL is a batted ball that settles on fair ground between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that is on OR OVER fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base." The ball is OVER fair territory when it goes over the base. Therefore, when it goes past the base, it is fair, regardless of where it subsequently lands. That's the rule and how it's taught at pro school.
@Topjon506 it's a fair ball. The posts are in fair territory. If the ball hits the post above the fence it is a homerun.
@TheDemonpwner If it didn't hit you and it came to a stop in the fair territory part of the batter's box, then it's a fair ball. If it touched you, or it stopped on the foul side, then it would be a foul ball.
@kitchensink5 The base is in fair territory. If the ball hits the base, the ball is ruled FAIR.
I think if the ball rolls down the first or third base line and hits the base of first or third base, it's automatically a fair ball, even if the ball then rolls backwards and into foul territory.
Correct.
Yes. The definition of fair ball includes touching 1st, 2nd, or 3rd base.
In a situation where the right fielder is going after a fly ball and his feet are in fair territory and the ball tails to the foul side of the line. So his feet are in fair territory and makes contact in the air with the ball that is now hovering foul. What's the call? Is it still where the ball is in relation to the line?
It's always where the ball is, not the fielder's body.
It’s a foul line. It’s not an sideline (out of bounds) in basketball, football, etc.
@@MwD676 correct. In football and basketball the line is OB. In baseball even if any part of the ball is hovering OR touchingany part of the line when a ruling is made it's considered fair
Someone needs to inform Indian's broadcaster Rick Manning what constitutes a foul/fair ball.
Why? What did he say?
@@vincesmith2499 As I recall, there was a ball that flew over 3rd base on a fly and then landed inches foul just beyond the bag. Manning thought it was a fair ball because the ball went over the base. I came to this video to assure myself that Rick was indeed wrong.
If a ball hit in the infield rolls towards foul territory, it is not foul when it comes to a stop or is touched before it reaches first or third base unless the entire ball is over foul territory. The ball does not have to physically touch the foul line to be fair. In a recent Cubs-Cards game, the catcher touched what he thought was a foul ball because the ball was no longer touching the foul line. However, the umpire ruled it a fair ball because part of the ball was still above the foul line.
If the ball comes to rest on foul territory before passing the base, it is foul even if part of the ball is over the line. This is the one exception to the "on or over" principle in judging fair or foul.
@@babababad
Also would be a foul ball even though over the line but not touching the line when judging a ball that lands beyond 1st/3rd base.
@@MwD676 yes, in that case it doesn't even matter where it comes to rest, just where it takes the first bounce.
I’d like to see a version of this video where the ump is intoxicated.
And no, you can't blow the ball foul.
Generally speaking, a ball that is hit in the air and LANDS or IS TOUCHED *_beyond_* first or third base, whether that ball is fair or foul depends on where it lands or was touched. If the ball hits the ground BEFORE reaching first or third base, foul or fair depends on where the ball was when it PASSED first or third base. This is a semi-complicated rule of baseball. While complicated, it's also pretty rare that you need to know the difference.
Examples :
1) A batter hits a ball down the first base line *_in the air._* That ball has spin and is curving due to that spin. It passes first base *_IN THE AIR_* on the fair side of first base, but lands in foul territory. That is a foul ball - because the first time it hit the ground was BEYOND first base, and in foul territory.
2) A batter hits a ground ball down the first base line. The ball hits the ground BEFORE reaching first base and eventually bounces OVER first base and lands in foul territory beyond first base. This is a fair ball. If the ball hits the ground before reaching first or third, only then does it matter where the ball was when it crossed beyond first or third.
OPPOSITES :
3) You don't ever really see this happen because physics, but suppose a batter hit the ball IN THE AIR down the line toward third base. The ball crosses third base (still in the air) in foul territory, but first lands (or touched) in fair territory. This is a fair ball.
4) A batter hits a ball down the third base line, and that ball bounces BEFORE reaching third base, but because of the spin, it bounces over third base and lands in fair territory beyond third base. This is a fair ball.
Bottom line : A ball hit in the air that doesn't land or is not touched until it has passed first or third is judged foul or fair by where it lands or where the ball was when it was first touched. A ball that hits the ground BEFORE reaching first or third is judged fair or foul by where it was when it passed first or third base.
#3 could happen due to the wind.
All of these happen. Some happen more with left handed batters, some with right handed batters.
How could a ball cross third base in foul territory when the entire base is in fair territory? Or do you mean the ball passes third base in foul territory?
@babababad When I say "cross", I dont mean literally over the base. I mean when it passes first base. The only time this matters is if the ball hits the ground BEFORE passing first/third. In these cases, the ball is foul it it passes on the foul side of the base. It is fair if it passes on the fair side or any part of the ball passes over the base.
Hola. Pido disculpas al autor de este video en forma anticipada. Es que lo edite y lo subtitule al español para utilizarlo como recurso didáctico en estudiantes. Es fantástico. Mil gracias por compartirlo
Ok, now i know! Thanks for posting this!!
That's just not the way they made the rules. If it lands fair beyond first or third, it is fair regardless of where it bounces. But, balls that first touch the ground before the bases are not judged until they stop or are touched.
If the ball bounce
in a foul line and come again on the
fair line it a foul or fair
Where is this man, we must find him at all costs
@adriangs112 Did you watch the video? The ball is ruled fair or foul after it stops or is touched. Simple as that. Answer to your question; it's fair if it stops or is touched in fair territory. The fact that it hit behind the plate first, means nothing.
im here after watching Matt Cain talk about his no-no perfect game.... yeah that was a hit, Matt and Buster really deserve an Oscar for acting like still to this day its an impossible call to make.... when you see chalk fly up from the ball and everything else explained with the ruling. still a nice outing thou, just shouldnt have been a perfect game.
What if it’s a fly ball that bounces in fair territory and over the foul line and is touched by a player in foul territory before the ball touches the ground?
If no part of the ball is over the line when touched, then it's a foul ball.
A play happen in the major where the umpire call a ball foul that bounced before the bag riding the line fair /foul ,crossed the bag in the air, and landed fair but was called foul.How soon to call it fair /foul when the ball crosses over (fair)or pass the bag(foul)?The umpire view might haved seen the ball foul and called it right even though it landed fair after the bag .
I can't pick up the exact wording in the video, and I don't believe it was covered explicitly. If the ball is rolling from home toward 1st / 3rd and is touching the ground in foul territory, BUT the edge of the ball is over the chalked line when touched, is it fair, or foul. The Yankees /Royals game today the announcers were criticizing the fair call that was made in this situation. Ultimately didn't matter, because the hitter got greedy and was easily thrown out at second.
Fair ball when first touched "on or over fair territory". If any part of a ball in motion is over any part of the line, it's a fair ball.
Actually a ground ball never has to hit in fair territory to be a fair ball(although this may not be physically possible). All that matters concerning if it is fair or foul is where it is when it crosses first or third base. Where it hits the ground before it gets to the base or after it gets to the base is irrelevant.
The very first person I have seen get this right.
Where a ball hits the ground is absolutely relevant. You say a ground ball never has to touch fair territory to be fair. If the ball off the bat is foul all the way to the bag and then bounces over the bag, it will most certainly be in fair territory. Or else be called a foul ball.
I was in an argument with a coach. Please help me. So his batter hit a grounder the ball immediately went downward off the bat and bounced about 2 feet left of the foul line going fast toward 3rd on the ground and the ball hit a pebble or little Rock and shot it back into fair and went passed outb3rd basemen in fair. That's got to be foul never in my life have a I saw a ball basically roll 2 feet outside of the foul line and richochet back fair off a pebble to be fair before passing 3rd. That has to be foul?
I respectfully disagree. Concerning a bounding ball, the only thing that determines whether it is fair or foul is where it is when it passes first or third base. Nothing else matters. Where the ball first hits the ground is irrelevant or where the ball hits after it passes the base is irrelevant.
If that ball passed over 3rd base then it is a fair ball. Again, whether it hits the ground in foul territory before it passes the base or hits in foul territory directly after passing over the base doesn’t matter. It’s really quite simple. The only thing that determines whether a bounding ball is fair or foil is it position when it passes first or third base.
@firstpickjim i guess i didn't quite get it since it didn't seem clearly explained about balls first hitting foul territory :( but thank you though!
Just for clarification...not sure if this will even be seen, but the entire base is considered fair territory correct? We had a ball glance off of first base (right on the foul line) and it was deemed foul. Not sure the umpire saw it, but I was coaching first and saw and heard it hit the very side of first base. I would have argued, but he already ruled it foul and the runner turned around before even getting to first. I don't think an argument would have mattered if the play didn't get played out all the way.
Yes - if it even just slightly kisses the edge of the base on the foul line, it touched fair and is a fair ball.
The base is 100% fair territory. Ball touches it anywhere, it's fair.
I think his statement that it has to hit in fair territory first is inaccurate. If the ball is still bounding, then it can't be called until it settles, is touched or passes 1st or 3rd base. It could come off the bat, hit downward, touch foul territory first, then hook into fair and be touched. This would be a fair ball.
2 : 28 You define it as a fair ball. Which rule number do you mean?
FAIR BALL is a batted ball that settles on fair ground between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that is on or over fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base. this IS the rule. YES or No?
If - Yes! Please look at what is written. and it is written after bouncing over the bases the ball touches into the outfield behind the bases. YES OR NO? IF YES - Ball is FAIR. Then if the ball does not touch the outfield and touches another territory, then according to the rules this ball is a foul. Yes or No?
thank you
But, what if the ball lands fair, spins foul and then a fielder fields it, before the ball hits the ground? Is that fair or foul?
Answered in the video. Where is the ball in relation to the line when it's touched.
@redverter - as I stated below, if the ball touches the base, it is a fair ball. It doesn't matter what part of the base that it touches.
firstpickjim if the ball hits the infield first in fair territory then is touched over foul territory while the fielder is standing fair, what is the call?
wuseng01 did the ball hit before the base or after? if it hit before the base wherever the fielder touches it, that’s the call but if the ball hits after the base it doesn’t matter where the fielder touches it, it is called in whichever territory it lands in first. and i believe even though he is standing in fair territory it is considered foul because that’s where the ball was when it was touched
@@wuseng01 If it hasn’t passed 1st or 3rd, it is a foul ball. The position of the fielder has no effect on fair or foul, just that he touched the ball. If the ball already passed the base, then it is whether it passed over (or touched) any part of the base, then it is fair, otherwise foul.
This is my first year watching baseball and I'm not American so I wouldn't have even played it in gym but I'm sure I've seen many a ball bound into foul territory and an outfielder has played it!
Depends if the ball has crossed a base for a outfielder to be in on a play
When a ground ball passes the base the umpire will rule fair or foul.
A ball that first lands in fair territory past first or third base is a fair ball, even if it rolls into foul territory after that.
I thought the ball had to be over the chalk (not actually have to be touching the chalk)?
When touched by a fielder, ball must simply be ‘over’ fair ground. When it lands beyond the base or settles before the base, it must be ‘touching’ fair territory.
Weird distinction, to be sure.
If a ball is about to land in foul territory and a outfielder trys to catch it and it hits and glove and falls, does that make it a fair ball?
If any part of the ball is over fair territory when touched, it's a fair ball, otherwise it's foul.
Position of fielder’s body or effectiveness of his play has zero to do with fair/foul. It only matters where the ball is in relation to the line (when it’s touched, in this case).
if a batter bunts the ball and it first bounces in foul territory but then rolls into fair territory and stops in fair, is it foul or fair? this happened in a Cleveland Indians game a couple days ago and it was ruled fair during a suicide squeeze.
Since the rule is by where the ball is touched or stopped, that was a fair ball
What about a ball, hit hard into the fair infield ground, single bounce only and then fielded behind 1st / 3rd in foul territory without bouncing again ?
In this case, if the ball first hits before reaching third or first, then it is foul or fair depending on whether it was over fair or foul territory when it passed first or third.
@@willoughbykrenzteinburg What if it first hits hard into the fair infield ground and is fielded without bouncing again BEFORE it passes 1B or 3B?
@@jaylessard5568 Per the video and also my understanding it would be a Foul ball since it never crossed the base
@@joerogers7359 That’s so weird to me since the last touch in the field of play was fair, but I’ve since looked it up and that’s correct.
Batted ball is not fair or foul until:
It passes 1st/3rd.
It Is touched.
It settles (stops moving).
If you hit the ball right over the foul pole but lands in foul territory is it fair or foul?
Fair. Home run.
DozensOfViewers Hitting the pole is a homerun?
I'm feeling quite stupid now.
Fair. If a fly ball is in fair territory the moment it leaves the field of play, it is a home run. Where it lands no longer matters. There is no "fair" or "foul" territory in the stands.
Actually ,in the video you state , "..on a bounding ball, which is one that hits the bat, and then hits WITHIN the infield first......" so the question remains, what if the bounding ball hits the bat and DOESN'T hit within the infield first?
If it goes past the base without ever touching the ground it’s fair or foul based on where it comes down or is first touched before landing.
When a batter hits the ball and the ball bounces in the infield and lands but it has a spin and bounces to the first baseman, the first baseman catches the ball before it actually contacts the ground. The first baseman has his leg on the bag but when he catches the ball, the ball is on the foul side of the first base line. Is that a foul ball since he first touched it on the foul side? The ball had yet to pass first base yet it did make first Contact in the infield in Fair territory but the first baseman caught the ball and was standing on First Base but he caught the ball in foul territory when it had bounced to him.
Yes that is a foul ball, because the ball crossed the line
If the fielder was on the infield side of first base and fields the ball in foul territory, it’s a foul ball. If the ball passes the base before being touched, it depends if it crossed the base in fair or foul territory. The position of the fielder’s feet means nothing.
A ball can’t cross the base in foul territory. The base is in fair territory. If a bounding ball crosses over the base it’s a fair ball. Nothing else matters.
@@bogie7311
Ball can pass a base in fair or foul territory. I think that is what is meant here.
Where the first baseman is standing has no relevance in whether the ball is fair or foul...The only thing that matters is where the ball is in relation to first base...If it’s over or inside of first base then it is a fair ball.....
Dont make a call on a bounding ball, got it
If the ball hits the base and kicks sideways into foul territory but never crossed front to back, what the call?
Theoxymoron86 if the ball hits the base it's a fair ball.
All basesare fair territory,therefore it would be a fair ball
Fair
The base is fair so any ball that touches the base is a fair ball.
Sports
yeah, sports
90 percent of this comment section is just him
Yeah you right
is it a fair ball if the batter hits the ball, the ball hits the pitching rubber, and goes out of bounds before crossing 1st/3rd base and no one touches the ball?
I have never seen it, but my assumption would be that it's a fair ball. It struck an object in fair territory and then bounded foul.
When in doubt, treat the play as if it's fair ball. Umpires and coaches should be the ones in charge of which is fair or foul. Ask your coach or look up the rules.
Foul ball. It's an untouched ball that went foul before crossing 1st or 3rd base.
Foul ball. First touched in foul territory without passing a base.
@@cblodg1 It would be foul. The call is delayed until the ball stops, is touch by a fielder or passes 1st or 3rd base. None of those happened just because it hits the pitching rubber. (The pitching rubber is in front of the line from 1st to 3rd).
If in a weird situation a batted ball hits second base and somehow rebounded in front of 3rd and went into foul territory, it would be a fair ball, because 2nd base is beyond 1st and 3rd base, so when it hits the field by hitting 2nd base it is fair no matter what happens after.
when a fielder dives for a pop up that is going out of bounds and catches the ball, and flies into the seats without his feet touching the ground after the catch, is this an out or a foul ball?
Pat Guiler It's an out. IF the dude actually catches it, then the call is out.
out and any runners on base would advance one base
It is a out due to the Catch and carry rule
but runners do advance one base of the feilder does go out-of-play
It’s an out if the fielder is still in play when he catches it. Otherwise it’s a foul ball. You can’t make an out in an out-of-play area like the stands or dugout.
What if the base runner kicks the ball?
If the runner kicks the ball while the ball is in fair territory, the batter is out. If the batter kicks the ball while the ball is in foul territory, it is a foul ball.
@@willoughbykrenzteinburg
If the batter ‘intentionally’ kicks a foul ball, he is out.
@@MwD676 I'm not sure about this, but in either case, why would the batter deliberately kick a ball that is foul? It makes zero sense.
@@willoughbykrenzteinburg
If the batter wants to make sure it stays foul, he might intentionally contact it. But if it’s judged as intentional by the umpire, he is out.
6.01a2 says it is interference by a batter or runner if he intentionally deflects the course of a foul ball on any manner.
@MwD676 Ah I see. Thanks!
Look, it don't matter if the infielder is not able to handle the play. If it's an infield fly ball, then the infielder should be able to handle it. Weather he does or not doesn't make any difference. It's an "infield fly rule" and that's the way it goes. The Batter is out when there's a runner at 1st or 2nd or bases loaded with less than 2 outs. There are no force plays at that time. All runners have to be tagged out. It's a live ball situation. It is a judgement call by the umps. Don't know if it is subject to video review or not. However, it pretty much has to be an infield batted fly ball. A deep fly ball to the outfield won't count for this purpose.
Not a infield fly rule when the ball is in foul territory Einstein.
Runners at first AND second, not first OR second.
IFR only applies if the umpire judges that the ball is catchable with ordinary effort. So depending on why the fielder couldn't get to it, it might not be an infield fly.
FAIR BALL
They need to rake the dirt
0:30 Mets vs Pirates 2021
FOUL BALL
@mlbguru58 Harold Reynolds is CLUELESS when it comes to rules. He gets them wrong most of the time.
How about you get a proper foul line and bag. You know, where the edge of the base and line are even with each other. Not here where the base sits in the middle of the line or how so many leagues do it where the base sits on the inside of the line. Because it matters! If it was shown here then leagues might start doing it properly.
4:43 - That kid couldn't make any baseball team!
I was in an argument with a coach. Please help me. So his batter hit a grounder the ball immediately went downward off the bat and bounced about 2 feet left of the foul line going fast toward 3rd on the ground and the ball hit a pebble or little Rock and shot it back into fair and went passed outb3rd basemen in fair. That's got to be foul never in my life have a I saw a ball basically roll 2 feet outside of the foul line and richochet back fair off a pebble to be fair before passing 3rd. That has to be foul?
I'm no expert, but if the ball hits the ground in foul territory, then kicks into fair territory before passing a base without a fielder touching it and stays fair, or passes a base in fair territory, it's a fair ball.
Fair ball.
if a batted ball touches a base it is a fair ball. The bases are ALWAYS fair. AND, if a batted ball goes over a base in the air, it's fair for all purposes, no matter where it lands. It's fair, and that's just the way things go.
Wilcey Whatweekindo This is wrong. If the ball hits a base, it is fair - - this is true. The second part is wrong. UNLESS the ball hits the ground BEFORE passing first or third. Then and only then, the judgement on whether or not it is fair or foul is where it was when it passed the bag (if it does indeed pass the bag). A ball hit in the air PAST first or third is not fair or foul until it hits the ground - regardless of whether it was fair or foul when it passed first or third.
Willoughby Krenzteinburg oK You are right. Where do you umpire at?
Wilcey Whatweekindo
I'm not an umpire. You don't have to be an umpire to understand the rules! Especially one as basic as foul or fair.
Willoughby Krenzteinburg Ok. well I was under the impression that you were an actual umpire somewhere since it appears that you are dressed up as one in the video. Are you just a fan of the game? or perhaps a baseball enthusiast? Or an umpire groupie? Have you ever umpired in some type of official league? I was an actual umpire for 20 years, and I never had much of a problem with fair or foul. Some managers and coaches didn't like my fair or foul calls, but there was never a protested game for that reason. Fair or foul calls are mostly "basic" as you say, but at the same time they can be difficult to judge in a 2 man mechanical game. Do you know anything about 2 man or 3 man mechanics? Just curious.
Wilcey Whatweekindo I'm not in the video. I think you are confused.
his explanation at 2:43 is wrong
It's the right call. As soon as the ball goes over the bag it's fair. You don't call it foul until it stops or touched by a fielder if it is in foul territory
Tom Haake but if a home run ball goes over the bag fair then goes out of the stadium on the foul side of the foul pole is it a home Run? No it's a foul ball.
Correct Brayden, however, the explanation at 2:43 was talking about balls that had already touched the ground in front of 1st/3rd not balls that were hit directly out of the infield
He's talking about a bounding ball has bounced in the infield. He's correct. A homerun is a ball in flight. He explained both rules.
Great job Craig, bounding is the key word.
@tomthebarfly - this was covered in the video. If the ball touched the ground before passing first or third, and then was touched while over fair ground, it's a fair ball.