The way Buck pauses because hes waiting for you to say the answer before he gives it, just to know youre learning, is fantastic. I can damn near hear a bunch of kids taking a knee next to him say the answer in unison.
Here's a rule few people know: the "Ground Rule Single" - bottom of the ninth (or later) inning, tie score, runners on second and third, and the batter hits a deep ball that lands fair and bounces over the outfield fence; only the runner on third scores, and the batter is credited with a single. (Rule 9.06(f), especially the comment. Note that an out-of-the-park home run is always counted as a home run, and all runs count.)
That is correct . . . except "ground rule" is not accurate, since that scoring rule holds in every ballpark on the planet. Ground rules apply to particular parks.
@@simonmizrach4965 By that logic, most ground rule doubles aren't ground rule doubles either, and specifically the link between these two plays, the ball bouncing out of play.
@@mrjimi1 I believe @Simon Mizrach is correct. A batted ball that bounces over the outfield fence is more accurately called an "automatic double" whereas events like a batted ball lost in the outfiel ivy @ Wrigley or hitting the roof in a dome ballpark are handled by site-specific "ground rules" (which often but not always end up ruled as doubles).
@@mrjimi1 This is the difference between "book rule" and "ground rule." Most people use the terms interchangeably, but that's incorrect. My favorite pet peeve along these lines: A guy *walks,* and what does just about every commentator say? "That's a great at-bat." No, it wasn't an at-bat at all. Walks don't count as at-bats, only as plate appearances.
The first discussion (3rd base), I think there was a slight mistake... Buck said to try to get the lead runner to step off of the base first, and then tag both runners. Obviously, if that's done, then the lead runner is out... but the trail runner is safe because he's the only occupant of the base when he gets tagged. Instead - with both runners still on the base - the defense should tag the *trail* runner first, as he will be out as Buck said... then try to get the lead runner to step off of the base and tag him.
That's exactly what I was thinking. If both are on the base and no tag has been applied, neither are out (obviously). If you decide to tag them both while on the bad, the trailing runner is now out, your lead runner is safe. But if you only tag the trail runner with both on the bag and then convince the lead runner to leave the bag, you have a chance for a double.
The reason you tag the lead runner first (when they are both on the bag) is to make him think he’s out, quickly tag the trailing runner ( while they’re both on the bag) now he’s out, then hopefully catch the lead runner leaving the bag, tag him out.
BALK RULES! IMPORTANT 1a. A balk is when you 1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the 1c. Let me start over 1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can’t do that. 1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can’t be over here and say to the runner, like, “I’m gonna get ya! I’m gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!” and then just be like he didn’t even do that. 1c-b(1). Like, if you’re about to pitch and then don’t pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense? 1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it. 1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there’s the balk you gotta think about. 1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn’t been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn’t typecast as that racist lady in American History X. 1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse. 1c-b(2)-b(ii). “get in mah bellah” - Adam Water, “The Waterboy.” Haha, classic… 1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of 2) Do not do a balk please.
@@jubbernaut2054 for all his other faults, Angel Hernandez is arguably the best umpire out there for definitions and applications of the balk rule. THE BEST
@Mike Heathman the base is a safe Haven when the infield fly rule is in effect, but that’s it. I was waiting for buck to mention that on a batted ball, the fielder has a absolute right of way. Interference never has to be intentional on a batted ball.
1:28 if the runner who started at third gets off 3rd base and then both runners are tagged, that runner is out since they are not on a base anymore. The runner who advanced from 2nd to 3rd is then safe at 3rd if they remained on the base. What you want to do is tag the runner who started at third while they are on the base (they are safe), then quickly tag the runner who advanced from second (they are out), then watch the runner who started at third to see what they do. They might step off because they might think they're out. If they do step off, then you tag them and it's a double play.
Yeah, that didn’t make sense at all. I was wondering why Buck was telling the audience that the lead runner stepping off would make both of them out when the trailing runner would be safe on the bag.
@@nate_storm By tagging the lead runner, you're hoping to trick him, as Brian said. If both 2B and 3B runners are on the base, only 3B is safe. Tagging 3B doesn't put him out, but if he doesn't know that, he might step off the bag, and _then_ you can put him out.
@@noodle_fc Runner from second is automatically out as soon as they are both on the bag, you can ignore him. You want the guy who started on third to step off so you can tag him, sometimes you can tag him while he is on the bag, the ump calls motions out and runner thinks it is him and steps off.
@@richardjacques1731 Sorry, that is not correct. Ugh, I had a careful reply all typed up and UA-cam ate it. :( The quick version is, a runner is automatically out only if they _pass_ the runner ahead of them. Two players on a base doesn't do anything automatically. They must be put out by normal tags and forces. Which runner is safe on base depends on whether the lead runner is forced to run. If they're forced to run, by definition they are not safe. The trailing runner gets the bag, the lead can be tagged out or forced out at the next base. If there's no force, the lead runner owns the bag. The trailing runner is at risk of being put out by tag. Citations: passing a runner, see baseballrulesacademy.com/lesson/passing-another-runner/ double base occupancy, see baseballrulesacademy.com/official-rule/ll/7-03-occupying-base/
I've been a huge fan of the game for over forty years, and there are so many obscure rules that it's sometimes hard to believe that any one person can know them all.
Explaining the infield fly rule to my wife was a long conversation...then I realized I have a 5 year old up next for learning it lol. I ate dinner quite late that night...and I am pretty sure neither of them knows what it is still lol.
1:38 No. No Buck. If the lead runner steps off, the trail runner is now safe. You need to tag the lead runner, tag the trail runner (while both are still on base. This results in ONLY the trail runner being out, but you're HOPING the lead runner messes up), then when the lead runner steps off (incorrectly thinking he is out), THEN you tag the lead runner again for an out.
Wow he's so funny 😂.. I remember watching him on TV when he was managing the Orioles.. I wasn't even really a baseball fan back then but he stood out...
Incorrect on the baserunner being called out on a pop up. 6.01(b): If, however, the runner has contact with a legally occupied base when he hinders the fielder, he shall not be called out unless, in the umpire’s judgment, such hindrance, whether it occurs on fair or foul territory, is intentional. If the umpire declares the hindrance intentional, the following penalty shall apply: With less than two out, the umpire shall declare both the runner and batter out. With two out, the umpire shall declare the batter out.
@@Michael-yd7nt A runner is on second when there's a short fly. As the shortstop is coming over, the runner, keeping one foot on the base, stretches and causes the shortstop to trip. That's clearly interference, right? Well, what happens if the shortstop is coming close to the base, and the runner sees he doesn't have to move at all to cause the shortstop to collide with him, and makes no attempt to give him room while still maintaining contact with second? Isn't that just as much intentionally interfering? It's easily seen that way, which is why he was saying what the runner should do. If the runner tries to avoid contact (or at least does a good job selling it) while still keeping contact with the base, as is the runner's right, then the umpire is unlikely to rule an intentional attempt to hinder the fielder because the runner tried, as much as reasonably possible, to avoid it.
@@keith6706 Yeah, Buck is correct. You aren't safe from an interference call just because you're touching your bag. But if you make any attempt to avoid the contact you're probably safe. Like a lot of things in baseball it's a rule to prevent odd or underhanded tactics which don't happen in todays game because the rule has been in place for so long nobody thinks of trying those tactics. The "Balk" is the epitome of this type of rule.
@1:37 - He makes a mistake! If you want to get a "double play" you need to be very careful who you tag first. IF you FIRST tag R3 (Runner who originally occupied 3rd base) while he is OFF the base, then R3 is OUT and 3rd base becomes "unoccupied" and R2 can now claim it. If you tag R2 (while both R2 and R3 have their foot on the bag) then R2 is OUT, R3 would be safe unless he removes his foot from the base. The ONLY way to get a "double play" would be to tag R2, then somehow get R3 to remove his foot from the base.
@@doopiedoo You're incorrect. If both players are touching the bag, nobody is out, it's just as if the runner from 2B is not touching the bag. He still has to be tagged to be out
The best way to perform this would be to tag runner at 3rd with empty glove giving the runner the allusion he/she is out. Then immediately tag R2 with the ball and he/she would be out and then you're hoping R3, thinking they were out on tag steps off 3rd and then you tag them with ball. Yadier Molina pulls this off in a game a year or two ago.
@@doopiedoo - nope, you need to tag R2, sorry. EVERY version of the "two runners occupying same base" rule states "the following runner shall be out *when tagged*" The runner doesn't just create an out from thin air... wherever did you even get such a notion?
It would be nice if they explained the rules in detail instead of laughing and interrupting each other. Still don't understand what they were saying about third base... what if the runner from second base left third and went back ?? As for the balk, Buck moves his foot around but doesn't explain... the foot needs to go past the rubber to be a pickoff move or to be a proper wind up ????
Showalter didn't even get the 3rd base one right when he said get the one guy to step off and tag both. The only way to get both guys out (other than both of them vacating the bag) is tag both of them while on the bag - the trail runner is out, then you hope that the lead runner thinks he is out, and when he steps off the bag you tag him again. If the lead guy steps off before any tags are made, the trail runner will be safe if the trail runner never leaves the bag.
@@pa28cfi That's basically what Buck said, or at least what I got from him. Basically tag both of them when they are both on the base to get the guy who was on 2nd out, then act like the guy who was on 3rd was out and try to sell it to him so he steps off and you tag him.
@@Kittyapoc That's not what he said though. He said to tag the lead runner first when he steps off the base, then the 2nd base runner. That'll mean the lead runner is out and the 2nd base runner can now own the base and is safe. What usually happens (and no idea if 3rd basemen are good enough to know to do this or if its just luck) is the 3rd basemen will tag both guys on the base (so the 2nd base runner is now out) and start calling to the ump, 'OUT OUT' hoping that the lead runner leaves the bag like he's out and then the 3rd basemen tags the lead runner. That's how you get them both out. The 2nd base runner has to be out first.
For the 3rd base bit, the order of operations is key. When there isn't a force, You tag off the trailing runner first, then the leading runner. You do it the other way round and he suddenly does have claim to the base, and tie always goes to the runner. In either case, if it isn't obvious someone is going to be on 3rd as long as they both stay on the bag. This idea is flipped on a force however. Imagine a guy on 1st and it's hit straight to the pitcher. Say he bobbles it and throws it to 1st. The 1st base runner however decides to just stand on the base. To get a double play, the 1st baseman must tag the leading runner first before he touches the base. If he does it the other way around, and hits the bag first, you'd get the out, but then immediately, the runner is no longer forced off of 1st, and tie always goes to the runner.
Your second paragraph is correct. For the play at third, it does not matter who is tagged first, When both are tagged, the runner who does not have legal possession of the base is out.
The last few Mets MGR's I couldn't listen to. I'm so happy the Mets have Buck. I think the players are too. I was drinking coffee when Buck hit the punchline ,squirted coffee out through my nose. I've been following MLB since 1967, never heard that one and didn't see it coming either. Love Buck!
Buck was slightly wrong with his first explanation. The trailing runner isn’t automatically out unless he passes the lead runner. They can both be standing on 3rd base without passing the lead runner. In this situation it’s as if third base doesn’t exist for the trailing runner and he can be tagged out.
He originally said it correctly, but then changed it to say when the runner from 3rd steps off, then tag the runner from 2nd. Yadier Molina got a double play on this situation. The guy on 3rd came down the line then saw the throw coming home, so he started back to 3rd. The guy from 2nd ran to 3rd and got to the base before the guy from 3rd returned. Molina ran the base and they were both on the base. He tagged the guy from 3rd, then the guy from 2nd. The ump called out - for the guy from 2nd but the guy from 3rd thought that HE was out and stepped off the bag, then Yadier tagged him. Double play.
Something I'm amazed I never knew until a few months ago is, when the batter hits a ground ball to the first baseman and first base is tagged, the runner going to 2nd needs to be tagged and it is not a force play at 2nd anymore.
It is not a balk at first if the first baseman is in foul territory. Rule 5.02 has three parts. 5.02a concerns the catcher and is the only part of this rule that will cause a balk. 5.02c is the rule that says players other than the catcher must be in fair territory. There is no penalty for a player being in foul territory. The umpire instructs them to get in fair territory. If there is repeated or blatant disregard, the player may be subject to being ejected.
It can be interpreted as a balk though, if he throws to first as the first baseman is no longer a legal defender, and you must throw to a defender directly at an occupied base for the intent of making a play.
@@KWally No, it is not a balk. The rule says the players (other than the catcher) must be in fair territory when the ball is put in play by the umpire. After that, there is no rule that makes it a balk because the fielder is in foul territory.
On the first one, if you get the guy who was initially on 3rd to step off and tag him out then the guy who ran over from 2nd to 3rd isn't out for the the double play, because there is no longer anybody occupying 3rd. Right?
There’s an exception to the two runners on the same base if there’s a force play. In that case the runner forced to the next base has the right to the base, not the one previously there.
@@kylecaccamise3832 to stop a double play. If a runner is at first base and a sharp ground ball is hit just in front of him at the second baseman, the second baseman may attempt to tag him then throw to first, rather than throwing for a force at second. By running back to first, the runner generates time for the batter to reach first safely, blocking the double play. This then creates a situation where OPs rule comes into play.
Didn't you see when that dude struck out ball in the dirt last year and instead of the first basemen stepping on the bag he chased him back to home plate only for him to be safe and the scoring runner to be safe.
I know about the overslide by the runner - lesser-known rule. If the runner overslides a base, the runner has to go back to the base (the ball will be considered live still) until the runner returns and touches the base before the defense tags the runner. If successful, the runner is safe and the play is considered dead. If the tag happens before the runner touches the base on the overslide, that runner is out. And this one for Wrigley Field - the "ivy". Unusual ground rule here for this part of the iconic outfield wall.... 1. If the ball goes into the ivy on one bounce and the outfielder cannot find the ball in there, it is treated like a ground-rule double. 2. If the ball caroms off the ivy (like it did in Game 6 of the 2003 NLCS) on a pop-fly towards it, the ball is considered live, and it will be treated like a ball hit off the regular outfield wall.
Also - on a home run - the runner needs to touch the bases - all of the bases, even if uncontested. If the runner misses a base, the runner must go back and touch it. Failure to do so will nullify the home run and the runner may be declared out. So even if you celebrate a home run yourself, be sure especially to TOUCH HOME PLATE!!!
I love baseball and baseball history I knew about the 3rd base one didnt know about the second base thing 🙂 I remember watching baseball for the first time I was 8 loved it right away too bad my dad hated it football was his thing so didnt get to watch much baseball till I was a teen.
It also depend on when you tag them. If the lead runner steps off and you tag him then the following runner has the base and would be safe. You tag the following runner and hope the lead guy takes off
Buster posey shoulda watched this before today’s game. Could have had a double play with 2 runners on third. Turner stepped off but posey tagged the wrong runner.
Screwed up the first one. If the original base runner on third base steps off, there are no longer two base runners on the same base. At that point, the runner from third would be out while the runner from second who was standing on third when he was tagged is safe.
Jeff Nelson, Ted Barrett, and many others, have been rules instructors at umpire academy. They know all the official rules and the umpire manual interpretations. Crews get together sometimes to do a rules check. Batting out of order sometimes creates a crew consolation because it rarely happens. 80 % of the time baseball is played with 20% of the rules.
Orioles Fan here, I miss Buck. He was great. He got every ounce of talent out of his players. We had a run of terrible Managers. Buck was the best since Cal Sr who also was done dirty by Ownership.
Wait wait. So if the glove is apart of the hand as an extension, if the ball gets stuck in the glove and thrown at the bag and hits the bag does that count as an out since it’s my body. Also can I throw the glove at a runner?? I need answers
Buck is not correct about second base. "a runner is not obligated to vacate a base he is legally permitted to occupy to allow a defender the space to field a batted or thrown ball in the proximity of said base." www.mlb.com/glossary/rules/fielder-right-of-way
so if you have to move off the base to let the SS make the catch at 2nd is it a deadball as soon as the catch is completed? If not, what is to stop the SS from then turning and tagging the guy who stepped off to avoid interference.
@@nineteeneightynine432 it is NOT interference if a fielder trying to field a ball runs into a runner who is in contact with a base UNLESS the runner does something intentional to interfere. Just standing on the base cannot be interference absent some other intentional act.
He talks about unknown rules and then gets the first one wrong. The second runner is out only while the first runner is on the base. Once the first runner steps off the base, the first runner would be out but the second runner would be safe if touched while on base until the first runner touches the base again.
So I have a rules question. 1 time years ago I was playing first base. I had a ground ball hit to me that I Dove four. I had the ball in my glove and as my momentum from my dive took me by the bag I tagged it with my hand and the Umpire called the runner safe because his argument was the ball had to be in the glove in order for the out to count. Wood the runner have been out or safe in that situation? I don't see how a hand touching the bag is any different than your foot touching the bag on a force out I had control of the baseball
Buck is wrong. If, however, the runner has contact with a legally occupied base when he hinders the fielder, he shall not be called out unless, in the umpire’s judgment, such hindrance, whether it occurs on fair or foul territory, is intentional. If the umpire declares the hindrance intentional, the following penalty shall apply: With less than two out, the umpire shall declare both the runner and batter out. With two out, the umpire shall declare the batter out.
This proves that even after all of his years and experience in MLB Buck STILL doesn't know the rules. What made it funny was that he claimed that even umpires don't know them. lol
Buck U? If two guys are on the base at the same time, is the trailing runner automatically out? Because if he isn't and you get the lead runner to step off the base and you tag him out, wouldn't that mean that the trailing runner is then safe since there is no longer a lead runner who has possession of the base? If you tag the trailing runner before anybody steps off the base, is he then considered out and then you can hope the lead runner also steps off the base so he can then be tagged out?
Every one is commenting on Buck being wrong about the play at 3rd yes he was but he was also wrong about both pick off rules he discussed. The ball has to go to the bag so its not "if a play is being made" if the first baseman is off the bag and the pitcher throws to the first baseman its a balk. Yes there is a little wiggle room but not just the first baseman attempting a tag on the runner. As for a lefty pick off attempt there is no such "45 degree" rule the pitcher must step directly(in a straight line) towards the base before he throws the ball.
You are essentially correct except that pitchers seldom step directly (in a straight line) to first base on a pickoff. Umpires agree that if he steps more toward first than the plate, no balk will be called.
I was hoping someone would say this...he doesn't' have to put himself in jeopardy to avoid interfering. Correct..he can stay on the bag and just stand there.
They should've went over the detached equipment rules like if catcher uses his mask to stop a ball from rolling away our throwing your glove at the ball to stop it and depending if the ball was pitched thrown or hit determines how many the bases the runners get a pitched ball is 1 base a a thrown ball like is 2 like if a cut off man throws his glove in the air yo stop a ball from being over thrown and 3 bases if the ball is hit and you throw ur glove in the air to knock it down that's 3 bases and if a ball is in foul territory and you use your hat or catchers mask to bring the ball back into fair territory that's 3 bases
Buck deserves a honorary World Series ring.. Help build the 90's Yankees run, built the Diamondbacks WS team and built the back to back MY Texas Rangers ws appearances!
Here's one. Runner on second, batter hits a line shot to right field, the runner rounds third and goes home, the fielder than makes a throw to home to make a play, the batter seeing the throw to home, goes to second and reaches safely but the runner from second is out at home. Does the batter get accredited with a double or a single?
Buck said something wrong about the play at 3rd. You have to tag the runner from second when both players are on the bag, then tag the runner on third if he leaves the bag. To sell it tag the runner from 3rd first the the runner from second while both are on the bag. Tell the runner from third he was tagged first wait till he leaves, then tag him.
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The way Buck pauses because hes waiting for you to say the answer before he gives it, just to know youre learning, is fantastic. I can damn near hear a bunch of kids taking a knee next to him say the answer in unison.
those team knees coach would call after and before practice
Love how he isn’t condescending either.
Why does some tv segment have to be more interesting than the actual game. If it was this fast paced I would watch
Baseball needs a redesign....the rules are stupid, and so is having humans decide balls and strikes, and whos out etc
'Inside the pork homerun'
😂😂😂
We ALL walked into that one. 😂
that was so good, caught me off guard
Lmfao
I called ground rule double. I was wrong. Real wrong.
@@Funwithhighnotes you got porked bro
That great “Dad joke” at the end was awesome!!!
If by awesome you mean stupid then ya I agree
@@zachkennedy9282 have some fucken fun you twerp
Thanks
@@zachkennedy9282 aw come on man you know it was great
I love listening to Buck talk baseball
Something you’ll never see someone say during the World Series lol
I love listening to Buck when he doesn’t talk at all. They have a buck button on remote. Often referred to as the “mute” button.
@@Puncherschance24 There's a chance!
Im still confused. I can tell they discussed this already before camera was rolling. But they didnt explain very well on camera
Like honey whiskey on a lazy sunday
Here's a rule few people know: the "Ground Rule Single" - bottom of the ninth (or later) inning, tie score, runners on second and third, and the batter hits a deep ball that lands fair and bounces over the outfield fence; only the runner on third scores, and the batter is credited with a single. (Rule 9.06(f), especially the comment. Note that an out-of-the-park home run is always counted as a home run, and all runs count.)
Not if the batter doesn't round the bases. Ex: 1999 NLCS game 5 Robin Ventura's GRAND SINGLE
That is correct . . . except "ground rule" is not accurate, since that scoring rule holds in every ballpark on the planet. Ground rules apply to particular parks.
@@simonmizrach4965 By that logic, most ground rule doubles aren't ground rule doubles either, and specifically the link between these two plays, the ball bouncing out of play.
@@mrjimi1 I believe @Simon Mizrach is correct. A batted ball that bounces over the outfield fence is more accurately called an "automatic double" whereas events like a batted ball lost in the outfiel ivy @ Wrigley or hitting the roof in a dome ballpark are handled by site-specific "ground rules" (which often but not always end up ruled as doubles).
@@mrjimi1 This is the difference between "book rule" and "ground rule." Most people use the terms interchangeably, but that's incorrect.
My favorite pet peeve along these lines: A guy *walks,* and what does just about every commentator say?
"That's a great at-bat."
No, it wasn't an at-bat at all. Walks don't count as at-bats, only as plate appearances.
The first discussion (3rd base), I think there was a slight mistake... Buck said to try to get the lead runner to step off of the base first, and then tag both runners. Obviously, if that's done, then the lead runner is out... but the trail runner is safe because he's the only occupant of the base when he gets tagged. Instead - with both runners still on the base - the defense should tag the *trail* runner first, as he will be out as Buck said... then try to get the lead runner to step off of the base and tag him.
Agree...was thinking the same thing
I was thinking the same thing , as an umpire I wouldn’t call the trail runner out after the leadofff runner stepped off.
Assuming he’s on the bag
That's exactly what I was thinking. If both are on the base and no tag has been applied, neither are out (obviously). If you decide to tag them both while on the bad, the trailing runner is now out, your lead runner is safe. But if you only tag the trail runner with both on the bag and then convince the lead runner to leave the bag, you have a chance for a double.
The reason you tag the lead runner first (when they are both on the bag) is to make him think he’s out, quickly tag the trailing runner ( while they’re both on the bag) now he’s out, then hopefully catch the lead runner leaving the bag, tag him out.
BALK RULES! IMPORTANT
1a. A balk is when you
1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the
1c. Let me start over
1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can’t do that.
1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can’t be over here and say to the runner, like, “I’m gonna get ya! I’m gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!” and then just be like he didn’t even do that.
1c-b(1). Like, if you’re about to pitch and then don’t pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense?
1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it.
1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there’s the balk you gotta think about.
1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn’t been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn’t typecast as that racist lady in American History X.
1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse.
1c-b(2)-b(ii). “get in mah bellah” - Adam Water, “The Waterboy.” Haha, classic…
1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of
2) Do not do a balk please.
i didn’t need this… but thank you
Very original
The greatest comment I've read on UA-cam. Laughed entirely too hard at this.
Thank you for the clear rules! Now I understand the concept of the balk completely
@@jubbernaut2054 for all his other faults, Angel Hernandez is arguably the best umpire out there for definitions and applications of the balk rule. THE BEST
I think Sean Casey was purposely missing the questions just to make it entertaining...
@Mike Heathman the base is a safe Haven when the infield fly rule is in effect, but that’s it. I was waiting for buck to mention that on a batted ball, the fielder has a absolute right of way. Interference never has to be intentional on a batted ball.
1:28 if the runner who started at third gets off 3rd base and then both runners are tagged, that runner is out since they are not on a base anymore. The runner who advanced from 2nd to 3rd is then safe at 3rd if they remained on the base.
What you want to do is tag the runner who started at third while they are on the base (they are safe), then quickly tag the runner who advanced from second (they are out), then watch the runner who started at third to see what they do. They might step off because they might think they're out. If they do step off, then you tag them and it's a double play.
Yeah, that didn’t make sense at all. I was wondering why Buck was telling the audience that the lead runner stepping off would make both of them out when the trailing runner would be safe on the bag.
no need to tag the runner who started at third if they were both on the base
@@nate_storm By tagging the lead runner, you're hoping to trick him, as Brian said. If both 2B and 3B runners are on the base, only 3B is safe. Tagging 3B doesn't put him out, but if he doesn't know that, he might step off the bag, and _then_ you can put him out.
@@noodle_fc Runner from second is automatically out as soon as they are both on the bag, you can ignore him. You want the guy who started on third to step off so you can tag him, sometimes you can tag him while he is on the bag, the ump calls motions out and runner thinks it is him and steps off.
@@richardjacques1731 Sorry, that is not correct. Ugh, I had a careful reply all typed up and UA-cam ate it. :( The quick version is, a runner is automatically out only if they _pass_ the runner ahead of them. Two players on a base doesn't do anything automatically. They must be put out by normal tags and forces.
Which runner is safe on base depends on whether the lead runner is forced to run. If they're forced to run, by definition they are not safe. The trailing runner gets the bag, the lead can be tagged out or forced out at the next base.
If there's no force, the lead runner owns the bag. The trailing runner is at risk of being put out by tag.
Citations: passing a runner, see baseballrulesacademy.com/lesson/passing-another-runner/
double base occupancy, see baseballrulesacademy.com/official-rule/ll/7-03-occupying-base/
I love baseball, and I'm 62 years old and still learning the rules.
I've been a huge fan of the game for over forty years, and there are so many obscure rules that it's sometimes hard to believe that any one person can know them all.
@@toddsmith5715 grab a copy of the official rule book, your head will spin. There are so many rules.
Explaining the infield fly rule to my wife was a long conversation...then I realized I have a 5 year old up next for learning it lol. I ate dinner quite late that night...and I am pretty sure neither of them knows what it is still lol.
@@imalwayslast3170 lmao
Thats why its a bad sport.
“Inside the pork home run” that is classic!
I could watch this all day
1:38 No. No Buck.
If the lead runner steps off, the trail runner is now safe.
You need to tag the lead runner, tag the trail runner (while both are still on base. This results in ONLY the trail runner being out, but you're HOPING the lead runner messes up), then when the lead runner steps off (incorrectly thinking he is out), THEN you tag the lead runner again for an out.
yes was wondering if someone else caught him explaining what u SHOULD do as a defensive player lol
You're exactly right, I knew he explained it wrong when he was talking about it.
Wow he's so funny 😂.. I remember watching him on TV when he was managing the Orioles.. I wasn't even really a baseball fan back then but he stood out...
Incorrect on the baserunner being called out on a pop up.
6.01(b): If, however, the runner has contact with a legally occupied base
when he hinders the fielder, he shall not be called out unless, in
the umpire’s judgment, such hindrance, whether it occurs on
fair or foul territory, is intentional. If the umpire declares the
hindrance intentional, the following penalty shall apply: With
less than two out, the umpire shall declare both the runner and
batter out. With two out, the umpire shall declare the batter
out.
@@TroyVan6654 It's actually Rule 6.01(a ) Penalty for Interference Comment not 6.01(b)
@Mike Heathman the base is a safe haven if the infield fly rule is in effect
Was looking for this comment. Strange that Buck got this one wrong.
@@Michael-yd7nt A runner is on second when there's a short fly. As the shortstop is coming over, the runner, keeping one foot on the base, stretches and causes the shortstop to trip. That's clearly interference, right? Well, what happens if the shortstop is coming close to the base, and the runner sees he doesn't have to move at all to cause the shortstop to collide with him, and makes no attempt to give him room while still maintaining contact with second? Isn't that just as much intentionally interfering? It's easily seen that way, which is why he was saying what the runner should do. If the runner tries to avoid contact (or at least does a good job selling it) while still keeping contact with the base, as is the runner's right, then the umpire is unlikely to rule an intentional attempt to hinder the fielder because the runner tried, as much as reasonably possible, to avoid it.
@@keith6706 Yeah, Buck is correct. You aren't safe from an interference call just because you're touching your bag. But if you make any attempt to avoid the contact you're probably safe. Like a lot of things in baseball it's a rule to prevent odd or underhanded tactics which don't happen in todays game because the rule has been in place for so long nobody thinks of trying those tactics.
The "Balk" is the epitome of this type of rule.
@1:37 - He makes a mistake! If you want to get a "double play" you need to be very careful who you tag first. IF you FIRST tag R3 (Runner who originally occupied 3rd base) while he is OFF the base, then R3 is OUT and 3rd base becomes "unoccupied" and R2 can now claim it.
If you tag R2 (while both R2 and R3 have their foot on the bag) then R2 is OUT, R3 would be safe unless he removes his foot from the base. The ONLY way to get a "double play" would be to tag R2, then somehow get R3 to remove his foot from the base.
No - R2 is out immediately when R3 touches 3B. No tag on R2 is necessary. He's saying that you're then trying to get R3 to step off and tag him out.
yeah you gotta tag both while they are on, wait for the guy to step off, then tag him again
@@doopiedoo You're incorrect. If both players are touching the bag, nobody is out, it's just as if the runner from 2B is not touching the bag. He still has to be tagged to be out
The best way to perform this would be to tag runner at 3rd with empty glove giving the runner the allusion he/she is out. Then immediately tag R2 with the ball and he/she would be out and then you're hoping R3, thinking they were out on tag steps off 3rd and then you tag them with ball. Yadier Molina pulls this off in a game a year or two ago.
@@doopiedoo - nope, you need to tag R2, sorry. EVERY version of the "two runners occupying same base" rule states "the following runner shall be out *when tagged*" The runner doesn't just create an out from thin air... wherever did you even get such a notion?
I'd love to hang out with Buck and just listen to his stories. I bet he has a million of them.
That's the coolest studio ever. It'd be a lot of fun to take my nieces and nephews there and just play around.
It would be nice if they explained the rules in detail instead of laughing and interrupting each other. Still don't understand what they were saying about third base... what if the runner from second base left third and went back ?? As for the balk, Buck moves his foot around but doesn't explain... the foot needs to go past the rubber to be a pickoff move or to be a proper wind up ????
Showalter didn't even get the 3rd base one right when he said get the one guy to step off and tag both. The only way to get both guys out (other than both of them vacating the bag) is tag both of them while on the bag - the trail runner is out, then you hope that the lead runner thinks he is out, and when he steps off the bag you tag him again. If the lead guy steps off before any tags are made, the trail runner will be safe if the trail runner never leaves the bag.
The foot going past the rubber means
It would be a balk if he tried to pick off the runner
@@pa28cfi you are right Buck was wrong. You would think they would have double checked the rules before the segment was broadcasted.
@@pa28cfi That's basically what Buck said, or at least what I got from him. Basically tag both of them when they are both on the base to get the guy who was on 2nd out, then act like the guy who was on 3rd was out and try to sell it to him so he steps off and you tag him.
@@Kittyapoc That's not what he said though. He said to tag the lead runner first when he steps off the base, then the 2nd base runner. That'll mean the lead runner is out and the 2nd base runner can now own the base and is safe.
What usually happens (and no idea if 3rd basemen are good enough to know to do this or if its just luck) is the 3rd basemen will tag both guys on the base (so the 2nd base runner is now out) and start calling to the ump, 'OUT OUT' hoping that the lead runner leaves the bag like he's out and then the 3rd basemen tags the lead runner. That's how you get them both out. The 2nd base runner has to be out first.
For the 3rd base bit, the order of operations is key. When there isn't a force, You tag off the trailing runner first, then the leading runner. You do it the other way round and he suddenly does have claim to the base, and tie always goes to the runner. In either case, if it isn't obvious someone is going to be on 3rd as long as they both stay on the bag.
This idea is flipped on a force however. Imagine a guy on 1st and it's hit straight to the pitcher. Say he bobbles it and throws it to 1st. The 1st base runner however decides to just stand on the base. To get a double play, the 1st baseman must tag the leading runner first before he touches the base. If he does it the other way around, and hits the bag first, you'd get the out, but then immediately, the runner is no longer forced off of 1st, and tie always goes to the runner.
Your second paragraph is correct. For the play at third, it does not matter who is tagged first, When both are tagged, the runner who does not have legal possession of the base is out.
I could watch hours and hours of this.
I am happy for Buck but man I miss him on the network!
Man, these guys have some stories! 😆😁👍🏻
Go Buck! Love my guy here. Such a great teacher of the game. My NL team is definitely the Mets now.
Too bad he doesn't know the rules very well.
The last few Mets MGR's I couldn't listen to. I'm so happy the Mets have Buck. I think the players are too. I was drinking coffee when Buck hit the punchline ,squirted coffee out through my nose. I've been following MLB since 1967, never heard that one and didn't see it coming either. Love Buck!
Buck is a fantastic teacher. He let's them answer before he answers.
Except some of his answers are wrong.
Does Buck have a show? His baseball stories are fantastic!!
This is great stuff!
Buck was slightly wrong with his first explanation. The trailing runner isn’t automatically out unless he passes the lead runner. They can both be standing on 3rd base without passing the lead runner. In this situation it’s as if third base doesn’t exist for the trailing runner and he can be tagged out.
Nice comment
He originally said it correctly, but then changed it to say when the runner from 3rd steps off, then tag the runner from 2nd.
Yadier Molina got a double play on this situation. The guy on 3rd came down the line then saw the throw coming home, so he started back to 3rd. The guy from 2nd ran to 3rd and got to the base before the guy from 3rd returned. Molina ran the base and they were both on the base. He tagged the guy from 3rd, then the guy from 2nd. The ump called out - for the guy from 2nd but the guy from 3rd thought that HE was out and stepped off the bag, then Yadier tagged him. Double play.
This was really interesting!
This studio is enormous.
Great ending joke! Way to go old man
I could listen to Buck for days
Thanks for putting on the glove for the visual aid wouldn’t have made any sense without it 😂🤣
Something I'm amazed I never knew until a few months ago is, when the batter hits a ground ball to the first baseman and first base is tagged, the runner going to 2nd needs to be tagged and it is not a force play at 2nd anymore.
Think of it this way; There can never be a force if the trail runner is put out.
Buck is delightful.
Great Stuff!!!
It is not a balk at first if the first baseman is in foul territory.
Rule 5.02 has three parts.
5.02a concerns the catcher and is the only part of this rule that will cause a balk.
5.02c is the rule that says players other than the catcher must be in fair territory.
There is no penalty for a player being in foul territory.
The umpire instructs them to get in fair territory.
If there is repeated or blatant disregard, the player may be subject to being ejected.
It can be interpreted as a balk though, if he throws to first as the first baseman is no longer a legal defender, and you must throw to a defender directly at an occupied base for the intent of making a play.
@@KWally No, it is not a balk. The rule says the players (other than the catcher) must be in fair territory when the ball is put in play by the umpire. After that, there is no rule that makes it a balk because the fielder is in foul territory.
OK. That joke at the very end was worth the whole thing. :-D
On the first one, if you get the guy who was initially on 3rd to step off and tag him out then the guy who ran over from 2nd to 3rd isn't out for the the double play, because there is no longer anybody occupying 3rd. Right?
This is one of the best. Dad jokes and baseball knowledge.
There’s an exception to the two runners on the same base if there’s a force play. In that case the runner forced to the next base has the right to the base, not the one previously there.
Why would two runners go to the same base on a force play when all the defense has to do is step on the lead runners base. Seems impractical
@@kylecaccamise3832 We don't know why they do what they do, but it happens.
@@kylecaccamise3832 to stop a double play. If a runner is at first base and a sharp ground ball is hit just in front of him at the second baseman, the second baseman may attempt to tag him then throw to first, rather than throwing for a force at second. By running back to first, the runner generates time for the batter to reach first safely, blocking the double play. This then creates a situation where OPs rule comes into play.
Didn't you see when that dude struck out ball in the dirt last year and instead of the first basemen stepping on the bag he chased him back to home plate only for him to be safe and the scoring runner to be safe.
@@HuntsT Javy Baez (Cubs) was the batter vs. the hapless Pirates lol. One of the funniest plays of all time.
Buck's a class act.
I know about the overslide by the runner - lesser-known rule. If the runner overslides a base, the runner has to go back to the base (the ball will be considered live still) until the runner returns and touches the base before the defense tags the runner. If successful, the runner is safe and the play is considered dead. If the tag happens before the runner touches the base on the overslide, that runner is out.
And this one for Wrigley Field - the "ivy". Unusual ground rule here for this part of the iconic outfield wall....
1. If the ball goes into the ivy on one bounce and the outfielder cannot find the ball in there, it is treated like a ground-rule double.
2. If the ball caroms off the ivy (like it did in Game 6 of the 2003 NLCS) on a pop-fly towards it, the ball is considered live, and it will be treated like a ball hit off the regular outfield wall.
Also - on a home run - the runner needs to touch the bases - all of the bases, even if uncontested. If the runner misses a base, the runner must go back and touch it. Failure to do so will nullify the home run and the runner may be declared out. So even if you celebrate a home run yourself, be sure especially to TOUCH HOME PLATE!!!
Buck lives on another planet.
This is cinematic. Good job tv!
Love Buck
I love baseball and baseball history I knew about the 3rd base one didnt know about the second base thing 🙂 I remember watching baseball for the first time I was 8 loved it right away too bad my dad hated it football was his thing so didnt get to watch much baseball till I was a teen.
Inside the Pork home run. That was a homer call!
You ended my night with a laugh on "inside the pork home run". Thank you.
Buck is the quintessential baseball guy. Mets needed that.
Too bad he is ignorant of so many rules.
@@alanhess9306 As are most people directly involved with baseball.
@@Fugettaboutit And casual fans are far more ignorant.
Buck is a baseball treasure. I’m a cardinals fan, but appreciate what he’s given to the game.
Buck does not know the rules as well as he thinks he does. He was wrong three times in this video.
7:15 -> end - Fantastic!
So baseball is cricket for spiders, cause without eight hands I got no idea how this works
It also depend on when you tag them. If the lead runner steps off and you tag him then the following runner has the base and would be safe. You tag the following runner and hope the lead guy takes off
Buster posey shoulda watched this before today’s game. Could have had a double play with 2 runners on third. Turner stepped off but posey tagged the wrong runner.
That joke at the end hahaha.
Screwed up the first one. If the original base runner on third base steps off, there are no longer two base runners on the same base. At that point, the runner from third would be out while the runner from second who was standing on third when he was tagged is safe.
Great all the way through, but the last story is must see TV.
Buck is the best!!!
Billy Martin was his teacher in terms of him learning the rules. Said Buck took in everything.
Aw shit man, you got me with that pig joke.
Great video. You can't live long enough to know all the rules.
Jeff Nelson, Ted Barrett, and many others, have been rules instructors at umpire academy. They know all the official rules and the umpire manual interpretations. Crews get together sometimes to do a rules check. Batting out of order sometimes creates a crew consolation because it rarely happens. 80 % of the time baseball is played with 20% of the rules.
Orioles Fan here, I miss Buck. He was great. He got every ounce of talent out of his players. We had a run of terrible Managers. Buck was the best since Cal Sr who also was done dirty by Ownership.
At the end, I'm thinking to myself... That's gonna be a ground rule double.
I enjoyed his answer a lot more.
The subtitle to this video should be "Baseball for Lawyers"
Inside the pork home run!! Lmao
You know, I bet Buck could manage a pro team!
Buck Showalter is a national treasure.
Buck does not know the rules as well as he thinks he does. He was wrong three times in this video.
Wait wait. So if the glove is apart of the hand as an extension, if the ball gets stuck in the glove and thrown at the bag and hits the bag does that count as an out since it’s my body. Also can I throw the glove at a runner?? I need answers
Buck is not correct about second base. "a runner is not obligated to vacate a base he is legally permitted to occupy to allow a defender the space to field a batted or thrown ball in the proximity of said base." www.mlb.com/glossary/rules/fielder-right-of-way
If I’m on second base, can I take the base out and carry it with me so I can’t be tagged out? I’m still making contact with the base.
Lol this was a rare time I actually watched and remember MLB network
The bag goes to the lead runner. Learned that a long time ago in "Little Big League."
The bag goes to the lead runner unless he is forced to advance.
I tried to explain the 4th out rule to a buddy and it took 10 minutes
Fourth out is always an appeal play and becomes out number 3, and supersedes the original out #3 for scoring purposes.
This only added to the confusion…
If your glove is an extension of your hand then who gets the out if you throw your glove (with the ball wedged in it) to a teammate for an out?
once the teammate catches the glove it becomes an extension of him?
so if you have to move off the base to let the SS make the catch at 2nd is it a deadball as soon as the catch is completed? If not, what is to stop the SS from then turning and tagging the guy who stepped off to avoid interference.
My thought exactly hoping someone responds to your question I leave this comment so I'll be notified 🤔 I think you're right though.
@@nineteeneightynine432 it is NOT interference if a fielder trying to field a ball runs into a runner who is in contact with a base UNLESS the runner does something intentional to interfere. Just standing on the base cannot be interference absent some other intentional act.
Buck, my sides! Bwahahahaha
He talks about unknown rules and then gets the first one wrong. The second runner is out only while the first runner is on the base. Once the first runner steps off the base, the first runner would be out but the second runner would be safe if touched while on base until the first runner touches the base again.
Throwing your equipment at a fair ball and making contact, that’s a fun rule.
I umpired for 23 years and I absolutely hated the balk rule.
This was really informative
how about newer rules never enforced?
like catchers blocking plate!
So I have a rules question. 1 time years ago I was playing first base. I had a ground ball hit to me that I Dove four. I had the ball in my glove and as my momentum from my dive took me by the bag I tagged it with my hand and the Umpire called the runner safe because his argument was the ball had to be in the glove in order for the out to count. Wood the runner have been out or safe in that situation? I don't see how a hand touching the bag is any different than your foot touching the bag on a force out I had control of the baseball
It was a force?
If so, then yes hed be out cause it’s exactly like your foot on the bag
@@forrestmartin2115 yes. The play happened at 1st base. Was a force out
@@brandontyler1754 as long as the ball is securely in your glove and any part of your body touches the bag on a force out it should’ve been out
@@brandontyler1754 he would’ve been correct if it was a tag play.
I love these segments but these are lessor known rules. Man I need to get a scholarship to umpire school.
Buck is wrong. If, however, the runner has contact with a legally occupied base
when he hinders the fielder, he shall not be called out unless, in
the umpire’s judgment, such hindrance, whether it occurs on
fair or foul territory, is intentional. If the umpire declares the
hindrance intentional, the following penalty shall apply: With
less than two out, the umpire shall declare both the runner and
batter out. With two out, the umpire shall declare the batter
out.
An inside-the-pork home run. Leave it to Buck to hog the spotlight.
under rated comment.
This proves that even after all of his years and experience in MLB Buck STILL doesn't know the rules. What made it funny was that he claimed that even umpires don't know them. lol
Buck U? If two guys are on the base at the same time, is the trailing runner automatically out? Because if he isn't and you get the lead runner to step off the base and you tag him out, wouldn't that mean that the trailing runner is then safe since there is no longer a lead runner who has possession of the base? If you tag the trailing runner before anybody steps off the base, is he then considered out and then you can hope the lead runner also steps off the base so he can then be tagged out?
Correct.
I miss buck 😢
Umps deserve more credit.
There’s the new skipper for the NYM, right there.
Here's an unwritten rule, Buck is one of the best minds in the game
Then why was he wrong 3 times in this video? The best minds in baseball should know all the rules.
Every one is commenting on Buck being wrong about the play at 3rd yes he was but he was also wrong about both pick off rules he discussed. The ball has to go to the bag so its not "if a play is being made" if the first baseman is off the bag and the pitcher throws to the first baseman its a balk. Yes there is a little wiggle room but not just the first baseman attempting a tag on the runner. As for a lefty pick off attempt there is no such "45 degree" rule the pitcher must step directly(in a straight line) towards the base before he throws the ball.
You are essentially correct except that pitchers seldom step directly (in a straight line) to first base on a pickoff. Umpires agree that if he steps more toward first than the plate, no balk will be called.
Wrong on #2.
A runner does not have to vacate a base on a pop up.
He cannot intentionally interfere.
I was hoping someone would say this...he doesn't' have to put himself in jeopardy to avoid interfering. Correct..he can stay on the bag and just stand there.
They should've went over the detached equipment rules like if catcher uses his mask to stop a ball from rolling away our throwing your glove at the ball to stop it and depending if the ball was pitched thrown or hit determines how many the bases the runners get a pitched ball is 1 base a a thrown ball like is 2 like if a cut off man throws his glove in the air yo stop a ball from being over thrown and 3 bases if the ball is hit and you throw ur glove in the air to knock it down that's 3 bases and if a ball is in foul territory and you use your hat or catchers mask to bring the ball back into fair territory that's 3 bases
Buck deserves a honorary World Series ring.. Help build the 90's Yankees run, built the Diamondbacks WS team and built the back to back MY Texas Rangers ws appearances!
Here's one. Runner on second, batter hits a line shot to right field, the runner rounds third and goes home, the fielder than makes a throw to home to make a play, the batter seeing the throw to home, goes to second and reaches safely but the runner from second is out at home. Does the batter get accredited with a double or a single?
Buck said something wrong about the play at 3rd. You have to tag the runner from second when both players are on the bag, then tag the runner on third if he leaves the bag.
To sell it tag the runner from 3rd first the the runner from second while both are on the bag. Tell the runner from third he was tagged first wait till he leaves, then tag him.