He's a great example of real world behavior. Playing safe makes it so you won't get the worst out of situations, but won't give the chance of achieving the best outcomes
@@mahmii0174 I doubt he would, he's very pragmatic and stoic. The fact that he knows the success rate of each of his actions, makes it even more unlikely, due to that type of personality trait
Hawkins was doomed to fail from the very beginning. For a series where strength is defined through your very will and ambition, obviously a character who isn't willing to press his luck isn't going to get very far.
I agree. And it also makes sense that doing things his way was the most rewarding up until he hit this threshold where he then was one of the first to fall. Being smart and being lucky isn't something that's ever been discounted in one piece as vital for success. But it's also been proven time and time again that the only way to acctually achive your dream in this world is to put fighting for it above anything else.
I believe Hawkins is weak in the way his convictions are weak. He's only looking at best odds and playing it safe. He has his own ambitions, but they easily crumble when faced with any adversity and he jumps ship to the next best opportunity.
The message that is inforced in this chapter that only the mindset and personality of luffy can triumph in this world. The methods and beliefs of belemy katakuri and hawkins are obsolete.
@@Mr-ON If you want to achieve greatness yeah. I don't know why everyone is surprised here that Oda is putting real life elements in One Piece. In our own world only the most exceptional people really achieved historic greatness. From the Michael Jacksons to the Gangis Khans. All the the worlds most impactful figures were EXPETIONAL people who defied the odds. The reason Supernovas like Luffy, Kid, and Law will rise to greatness is that they still chose to go directly against the Yonko, when everyone else told them they were unstoppable. Pirates like Hawkins and Appo will never reach the top of the pirate ladder because they refuse to keep climbing when knocked down.
@@ayubsharif7419 Thats why marineford is such a great arc because it supports hawkins ideology. Luffy went against the odds and got decimated. I'd say its almost always a given that luffy will win sooner or later in an arc. Its the antagonist who are going against the odds. Fate is on luffy's side; he has the pirate king's hat; he has a trusted reader of ponugliphs; he has the best navigator, best ship rite, best chef, best doctor, strongest fishman and best helmsman not to mention tons upon tons of allies. I think we can all agree even in wano with all the prophicies kaido is the one fighting the odds not luffy. The problem with having luffy lose is that oda can't just leave a defeated luffy to be killed by his enemy. For example in marineford conviniently law showed up (a doctor with a broken fruit based on surgury) who conviniently has submarine which can't be persuited by the navy; to save luffy by risking his own and his crew's life, then law's submarines somehow escaped the switness of two navy admirals.
@@ayubsharif7419 Michael Jackson did not defy the odds?? his dad forced him to practice every day as a kid and basically forced him to be good if anything the odds were against him sucking you take a child and only train them at something...odds are very good there going to be exceptional at it
@@Mr-ON if you are going to talk about that then let's talk about black beard and akainu too. Akainu was powerless and fell into the creaks of the island after taking 1 full powered gura gura attack he should've fallen to the sea and died yet plot saves him. Let's talk about BB the whole incident with magelen shiruyu just conveniently showed up and saved him at that moment, what about him vs WB WB just conveniently haves a heart attack at the point when he was about to deliver the final blow.
I don't argree with the general consensus that Hawkins was a worthless character. He is quite laterally Oda's strawman, he's ment to represent the logical/reasonable response to his own story developments
Mate I mean I don't see how being content being a lapdog is reasonable. I just think there was a lot of lost potential with his character. Seeing an arc with him against Luffy with their clash of ideals of approaching obstacles in a logical manner Vs striving to do the impossible would have been pretty cool.
@@theanimehub2180 All the supernovas had potential to be well fleshed for sure, but like they said theirs only so much screen time, and Hawkins has already served the story to some degree. Bonnie deserves more development too but I don't think that'll happen till the Grand War.
Still a fantastic character design from Oda. His whole aesthetic, vibe and personality, down to the design of his flagship and its name…. I like Hawkins as a character purely for those reasons. Would have liked for him to flourish a bit more but he was written to fail… since he relies on fate rather than make his own luck and walk his own path. One Piece is all about the latter.
@AndrewWithEase11 11 fate def is a theme in one piece but that is due to inherited will which is a key theme . Another key theme is never giving up on your dreams and Hawkins gave up on his dreams hence why fate was no longer on his side .
Maybe hawkins' failure is that he is trying to be logical in the illogical world of one piece. Like if the scouter from dragon ball was a real person. I'll probably add more later.
I was thinking the same thing someone who won't take risk in the one piece world has no chance of making it to the top. Seems like he doesn't even have the will to risk his life on his goals and I guess his powers reflects the 2 parts of his down fall his cards that he uses to avoid all risk and his straw dolls that always let's him avoid putting his life on the line by putting others life out there.
That's a great way to put it. Because of the idealized versions of real life concepts like following your dreams and what not, Hawkins feels like he clashes with that idea of saying "screw it" and trying your hardest despite the odds.
It's not about the world being illogical, it's that greatness is only achieved by playing against the odds and betting on your own ability to persevere despite them. That rings true in real life as well- There's little odds of achieving greatness in anything, but those who dive in and persevere despite setbacks meet success.
I feel like Hawkins got screwed by matchups in Wano that made him look worse. The Zoro fight was a skirmish at best and him 'losing' wasn't really a loss at all, so that doesn't count. Law is pretty much his hard counter, because he can easily slice up and beat Hawkins without even touching his voodoo dolls. And Killer caught him off guard and beat him on a technicality, because it slipped his mind that Kidd lost his arm and Killer's greatest ability seems to be his speed- he was able to blitz him and take off his arm. I actually love this because it feels like vintage one piece where fights were decided based on devil fruit powers and creative solutions to problems, not haki, and it leaves the door wide open for Hawkins to successfully combat MUCH more powerful opponents in the future without it being inconsistent.
I remember Hawkins' introduction period, when he was just sitting down playing with his cards while freaking Kizaru was right in front of him, then he just dismisses him by saying "go look somewhere else". He was fearless and interesting. Didn't expect him to piss his pants that hard in the future because of Yonko.
He was "fearless" because of the card reading. And he pissed his pants here because of the card reading again. He just knew that Kizaru wouldn't do anything to him that day. So I wouldn't say that he was truly fearless, knowing how supernatural powers with Tarot in OP works.
@@ErmacReptile Yeah, same here. Sure, I don't know HOW I'm escaping death, but if my chances of dying are 0% then I'll be chilling, especially with a fruit that lets me bypass damage
Hawkins flaw lies within one of the main themes of One Piece. Of Destiny, Fate and fighting the Odds. This is something peppered throughout the story at rare moments and it’s something people often confuse for fate or destiny. Especially when looked at in isolation but when you put them all together it paints a very clear picture. The truth is that there is no such thing as “fate” in One Piece. Thats just something a lot of characters believe because it’s an easy “go to” explanation. Whats actually happening is far simpler. One of the reasons the Katakuri fight was so great was because in encapsulated damn near every theme in the story in one single encounter while developing both characters. But the important part here is what it has to say about “fighting the odds”. Oda describes Luffy as a man of action. So in this encounter we have a clash between Katakuri the man who can see the future vs Luffy the man of action. The question asked for us at the start of the fight is “who decides the future?” and in the end the man of action succeeds over the man who could merely “see” the future. What the story is trying to say it made clear through Bege much earlier: “You can only see the future, everyone else has the power to change it.” The ability to take action is what decides the future. Which is why Luffy succeeds where Katakuri fails. The point the story is trying to make is that the most effective way to predict the future is to create it. Your actions effect the outcome. The Odds are NOT static. They are always changing and your actions have the potential to change them. Which is why guys like Killer and The Rooftop 5(wow that sounds like a band name) are on the same wavelength. They believe in their own ability. In Luffy vs Katakuri, the future seeing man thinks that Luffy’s future is decided. Because he’s already seen it. But Luffy persists and takes action against every prediction. To the point where the outcome has completely changed. And by the end of the fight Katakuri can no longer see a future where he defeats Luffy. Because Luffy changed his odds. Through taking action. We have this theme coming up again earlier in the arc with Tama. The Beast Pirates are at a massive advantage over The Alliance during the Raid. But because Tama chose to take action, those Odds have changed. Having literally said: “I’ve come here to change those odds.” Oda has been telling us this long before Wano. You can go back through the series and see this everywhere. This is why Shanks literally says to Coby at Marineford that: “those few seconds of courage you took to take action just changed the future” Again the story is hitting at the idea of people’s actions being what decides the future. Not fate. We see this come up again with Ivankov in Impel down. He tells Mr 2 that “Miracles only happen to those who never give up”. It’s the actions of those who pursued something against all odds that create the miracles. Their actions created that new possibility. Not fate. Which is why you’ll see something like a storm saving Roger in his fight with Shiki. Roger persisted against overwhelming odds and was rewarded with a miracle. Another commonly misunderstood scene that shows us this theme is when Hawkins is checking Luffy’s Odds after Marineford. Hawkins can’t get Luffy’s odds of survival to come out as Zero. A lot of people think this is fate but if you remember the theme then it’s clear that isn’t the case. This isn’t plot, this isn’t fate, the reason Luffy’s odds do not reach zero is because Luffy is still fighting. He hasn’t given up yet. The point the scene is trying to get across is that no matter what the odds are, no matter how often they change as long as you’re still fighting/taking action? They are NOT zero. This idea is even reflected in Luffy’s entire journey. Think of where he started. At the beginning of the series Coby tells Luffy that a guy like him with no Pirate crew had no chance. That the odds against him were so astronomical, that it was impossible for him to be the Pirate King in the Golden Age of Pirates. And you know what? Coby is exactly right. If Luffy faced Emperors as he was back then? He would have stood no chance and died instantly. But because Luffy kept taking action, growing stronger, building his crew, forming connections Luffy has completely flipped that scenario. He’s completely changed his odds to the point where people are now calling him the 5th Emperor on the seas and is one of the most highly talked about Pirate King candidates. That idiot in a barrel who got lost at sea has now earned the respect of Kaido himself, being viewed as a worthy opponent and is now seemingly fighting on par with the World’s Strongest creature. Luffy’s come a long way but if he looked at those odds….and did nothing? He’d be right where he was at the start of the story. Nothing would have changed. To accept the odds is to allow things to remain as they are. When the odds aren’t in your favor you shouldn’t be thinking “Oh theres no way I can win.” You should be thinking “Ok what can I do to change that?” Having the odds stacked against you is indicator of how much action you should be taking. Not a sign for you to take no action. tl;dr *Thats what Hawkins needs to learn in Wano and thats What I believe is character arc is going to be.*
This is a really good write-up. I agree with pretty much everything you said. It's interesting that Killer notices regret in Hawkin's voice (Killer is pretty emotionally intelligent). That Hawkins obviously aspired to being more than Kaido's lackey when he set out for the New World. I'm still of the opinion that we're getting round 2 of the raid so when he wakes up, he'll probably switch sides of his own free will.
People talk about kids pirate life being a joke but Hawkins really bowed down to the first emperor he met and then lost to a former rival captains subordinate
@@chrono733 So did Capone with Big Mom, the difference was he was planning on betraying her. That said we don't know if his plan from the getgo was going to work for Kaido because he didn't think he had a chance.
@@henrypeters5291 he's clearly on kaidos side if he wanted to take down kaido amd was hiding like bege apoo would've switched sides like drake did or he wouldn't have been a fucking snitch and betrayed kidd killer and hawkins
Killer beated Hawkins in those 3 aspects that you mentioned (strawman, vodoo dolls, future predictions). He sliced the strawman with ease (being better at brute force); he outsmarted him by using his vodoo doll abilities against him (cutting his arm); and persevered despite the huge odds of failure (not bending to Kaido and fighting until the end). I think Hawkins was really well explored as a character, just as Bellamy was. This chapter was flawless!
I think Hawkins' abilities are a great reflection of his character. He's always controlling others. Using them as shields. He never uses his own strength. That's why he didn't believe in himself and chose the safe route when confronted with Kaido. And for a character whose abilities are so malevolent by nature, it did a great job at firing me up for his eventual defeat.
I agree 100%. Hawkins is such an interesting character! As he is now he could easily be a top villain or anti-hero of any given fantasy action series that he could be shoe horned into, IMO. But unfortunately for him he's among the enormous world in the epic that is One Piece, already saturated with appealing characters having unique abilities.
The one thing that keeps me from thinking that Hawkins role in this arc is over is that we still don't know who the man he predicted had a 1% chance to live . A secondary more minor motive is the card he mentioned while he was fighting Luffy and Zoro that would make his allies stroneger .
I think most people think it was Drake that he was referring to. Drake essentially was like "damn, sucks to be him" and upon rereading the arc, I feel it's pretty clear it was more of a veiled threat to Drake. And the official English translation for the section about the good card that you're talking about doesn't refer to one card. After drawing a card that was detrimental to him and his allies, he basically says that there are beneficial cards too. This seems to be what people are hung up on. He says he'll draw a good card next, and then he draws hierophant reversed, the card of pursuit, which he calls good. He has no one magical card for making his allies stronger
I totally agree with you, Hawkins was my favourite supernova pre-timeskip. He had soooo much potential, but of course like a million other characters... Underutilized 😒😒😒
His abilities are the only thing that I feel we should have gotten a bit more from. In terms of how it all works. But apart from that, his whole arc is acceptable enough. The supernovas were all created on a whim and then they turned out to be great for the story so it stands to reason that not all of them would be relevant deep into the story. The only way to switch this and make them all relevant going forward is if at least some of them join Kid's crew. Because currently the Kid pirates by themselves can't really match up with other yonko crews.
@@ritacirocavalcante i like the previous title too. it's a bit more poetic and thematically appropriate given the content of the video, but i can see why the new title would be blessed by the algorithm and get more ppl to click/view. content is still the same
I feel like Hawkins' character could still be developed further in future arcs. Since he's the pirate that most strictly adheres to fate right now, he could also potentially have the most cathartic "defying fate" moment in the series. Imagine him going Yugi Muto in the final war, influencing his own destiny and drawing the exact cards that he wants to draw to finally bring out his full power. That would be quite the redemption arc for him.
2:45 this could also be why he got such a small bounty increase during the two year timeskip. He went from 249M to 320M, that's just 71M. Compare that o Kid - 315M to 470M, that's 155. Or even Apoo who went to 198 to 350M, that's 152
Never thought of the potential of Hawkins character. He was never a supernova I was really invested in, but I think he's a really cool and unique character.
Would love to see novels or some other piece of media detailing their adventures before and after Sabaody. What got them these high bounties comparable to Luffy's when none of them took out a Warlord or invaded a major government facility? The possibilities are fascinating to say the least.
If Hawkins is done for the series, he will be the first supernova that fell below expectations. Specifically, expectations that where set after Law, Beige and now Killer have done more in the story then was reasonable to expect. Kid (still), Bonny, Urouge and X Drake all seem to have bigger thins in the future. Still, I don’t thing he was a bad presence in the story. He was engaging in the beginning of Wano and it was fun to speculate about his predictions. He was just underutilized.
@@Mr-ON Nah, he fell below expectations because 3 of the other supernovas had raised the bar. After SA, this was the role I had expected a lot of the supernovas (except Kid and Law) to fall into. That they would serve as an example to contrast Luffy with and to give some good fight. I really don't see the need to be all pessimistic yet.
I think that if the raid does fail, Hawkins character could still have more interesting things to do, but not in the way I've seen most people talk about him. I think Hawkins could join the alliance for the second round, but not because that's his cards tell him, one piece has never been a story of characters taking the most logical route even if it means abandoning your allies and dreams and be rewarded for it. If the raid fails it would give Hawkins the chance to finally make a decision for his own instead of blindly following what his cards tell him. So, if he switches sides, it shouldn't be because it gives him the best chances for survival, but because we wants to fight for himself and his dreams, even if victory is statistically impossible in his eyes.
I really hope he has a change of heart, my favorite parts of One Piece are a character changing their rigid ideals based on what others have done. It would be great in the end game of this arc. It comes down to the thick of it, and then Hawkins has to make a decision and he just throws all of his cards and joins the alliance.
I don't know if ppl notice this but it seems that oda is kind of scaling power level using how many times someone has faced a yonko ( it s said that yamato got stronger by going after kaido time and time again) and we know that kidd/luffy were considered on the same lvl ,, if u go with this logic ,, luffy lost twice to kaido , and kidd lost once to redhair shanks and once to kaido , then we see luffy and kidd going head to head in prison so I eel like this is how oda might justiy the powerup that kidd is about to get to beat BM
I also was a massive fan of Hawkins when he was first introduced! I hope that he continues to show up in the story, but honestly I’m not sure if he will.
I don't think his powers have anything to do with future sight. I think that, just like Law, he just has a wide variety of devil fruit abilities that you shouldn't think about too much, it's just a weird paramecia that can do anything Oda says it can do. Law has all abilities kind of related to medicine, while Hawkins just has all abilities related to some form of mysticism. That's it, no need to inspect it any closer.
Let's be fair to Oda too, he most probably didn't intend to have these characters so far into the story, hell he didn't even have them on his mind while starting sabaody so i am quite content with what we ended up with. If you look back most of the supernovas weave insanely well into the story while Oda could have had them dissapear once he got to the new world (looking at you urouge). but at the same time i see where you come from too.
Honestly, I wasn't very interested in the supernova when they were first introduced. It was clear that they came out of nowhere and there only place was to help powerscale Luffy as a pirate. That said, it's been interesting how the represented the two paths in the New World: You either work for a Yonko or you go against them.
@@henrypeters5291 interesting. For me it's other way. When they were first introduced I was very excited about them. Now I couldn't care less about them.
I see people say Hawkins is one of the worst supernova because they think he joined Kaido out of fear. I don’t think he is necessarily, this man just makes calculated choices for his survival. His emotions usually seem pretty irrelevant to the equation. In any situation he’s kinda following a string of events and choices that keep him alive - if he hadn’t met Kaido he’d probably be doing something else entirely. All of his choices seem to be calculated on fate
Hawkins is one of those anime characters who would be way more successful in the real world, but unfortunately they live in a universe where willpower and fighting against the odds always works in one's favour. Rossiu from Gurren Lagann comes to mind as another huge example.
My thoughts exactly, people sometimes place more emotion on characters than is implied. Like the Kizaru encounter for example, he was unfazed when he came up to him but simply cuz he had a 0% chance of death that day
I think the worst part of Hawkins going down is that we never got to fully explore how his devil fruit works. Like seriously, I'm still scratching my head over how the fuck his ability works, how he links people to his straw dolls and don't even get me started on his tarot card stuff.
I suspect Capone Gang Bege was not meant to be relevant at all. He is introduced and later revealed to be Lola's sister's significant other. You don't get a character more shoehorned in than that! And then his contribution to Whole Cake Island as an arc was fantastic. I bet Oda improvised a lot with Capone and it worked perfectly.
Oda stated that going into the timeskip, he believed some of the Supernovas would die but they all surprised him by surviving. To me, this indicates that going into the timeskip, as a writer, Oda didn't have plans for all the supernovas and intended on having some of them just die over the skip. But, as time progressed, he saw ways to include them. Bege and Apoo seem like the strongest candidates to me since both of them were depicted having rough starts when entering the New World in the pre-timeskip's closing chapters. Apoo being shoeshorned into Kaido's crew despite having nothing to do with the crew's concept fit this. Compare him to Drake, whose fruit and plans going into the New World indicates he was always meant to be a Sword member infiltrating Kaido's crew. The same could be said with Bege; a mafia boss with a goofy character design that Oda later saw would fit in well with the themes of Whole Cake Island. Bege even kills a member of his crew for second guessing him back in Sabaody, yet he's portrayed as a family man post-timeskip. Hawkins, to me, seems like he had the opposite happen. Oda originally set up the character for greatness alongside Law, Kid, and Drake, but fell flat as the story unfolded and Hawkins got regulated to the position he's in today.
Both Hawkins and Usopp takes into consideration the odds of success, but Usopp always ends up taking the chance! I used to play around with Tarot cards when I was younger, I feel that Hawkins journey is that of "The Fool reversed" he was making himself stand still, he was doubting himself and needed to control everything he could so he would not wallow in regret( like Killer pointed to in their battle) While this is in stark contrast to Luffy and Usopp which I feel follows the path of "The Fool Upright" Taking a step into the world even If you are not 100% ready to face everything, even when facing your weaker self being able to move forward and goes against the odds.
0:55 I thought him up to be the most 'clever' and the most 'scheming' out of all the supernova because his abilities were so cuel yet so effective. He seemed like he had an ultimate plan to trump over all of his rival supernovas. Thats something you would expect from one of the most shadowy characters in one piece. My head canon was that he would some how backstab and kill kaido by attaching his life to a fodder and then kill kaido by killing the fodder. Its repeated again and again that Kaido is invincible; he can be defeated but not be killed by ordinary methods. Than hawkins would use kaido's dead body as a summonable creature through his cards. That would have been his secrect weapon/trump card/ultimate plan for the final war. To aquire the strength and durabity he does not have himself. But we didn't get any motivation from him nor really a sense of threat. Maybe the 'Worst' generation isn't that bad after all.
this wouldnt been way better lmao. Too bad his character is just being wasted rn with him losing to Killer with no struggle. It would've been better if Oda stuck with his original plan where he would become a Warlord. Heck, I used to think Law and Hawkins would fight each other during the raid and Kidd and Luffy would 2 v1 Kaido because "always bet on Kaido in 1v1" in the beginning of Wano, before BM was intoduced.
It would make a lot of sense for Hawkin's character arc to continue. He'll be a good vehicle to further explore on the background force in One Piece that is Fate, which rendered all of his predictions useless in such a short span of time. Hopefully, he learns to get out of his comfort zone decision making soon, like a pirate is supposed to be.
Hawkins ability to use others as human shields is a cowards move. I am glad he got chopped down and didn't try to change sides cos he is basically trash on legs.
Bruh Uruge out here carrying the name of the SuperNova after Luffy. Cause he not only beat A Sweet Commander but escaped Big Mom's territory plus he met Kaido briefly
Hawkins is a representation of the kind of captains that follow Kaido. Powerful people put aside their own dreams to serve Kaidos Will, so that they would survive.
he was always consistent he avoided fights he couldn't win and played safe because he knew his limits, that's whats holding him back from becoming a great pirate I think oda can do an amazing character arc for him.
Even if you have to dig a bit to see it, I feel like Hawkins had an entire character arc. Hawkins was a realist in an idealistic world. He began was a character that hid in the shadows, living a life of cold calculation. But in order to be great in the one piece world, a person must be bold. They must stand by their ideals, even when it is risky. They must make a name for themselves. As Hawkins never did that, he was a mere shell of a man. He lost the moment he submitted to Kaido. Hawkins avoided the limelight, so he was defeated quietly. It’s fitting.
One Piece is literally a story about the pursuit of one’s dream. Hawkins is another character, regardless of circumstances, that ultimately gave up on chasing a dream for safety in the current establishment (the umbrella of Kaido). Our protagonist is literally island hopping destroying that establishment. Hawkins was always destined to get crushed once his character gave up and surrendered. One piece gonna One Piece 🤷♂️
I can't find it now but actually Oda commented on Basil Hawkins a while ago. He said that he had plans for him to become a warlord post time skip but idk why he changed his mind. So I think pre timeskip and even some of post timeskip he had the plan of making him a warlord but something changed along the way.
After watching Randy Troy’s video about the Blackbeard Pirates, their obsession about “Fate”, and how fate seems to be on their side right now, I could see Hawkins becoming one of Teach’s subordinates if he still has a role in the story. This would assume he will be alive, not stuck in Impel Down, and won’t have a change of heart in the future though lol
Before I watch. Hawkins has been a very weird but interesting character in Wano in my opinion, and it has been hard to discern his true character. However, now with this fight, I have a 100% better idea of it. He was trying to justify his choices by voicing them out, not only to Killer, but to himself... he had made the choice that was most guaranteed to allow him to survive, rather than something stupid with little chance of working. That's the thing about Hawkins' character... he's a guy that believes in the cards and chance. The cards (or his mindset) most definitely showed him that there's a higher chance of surviving by joining Kaido. And so far, that's been true... But Luffy and everyone else are showing him that there's still hope. Hawkins was never the type of character to have hope in things like this that seemed pointless, yeah? That is why I believe, now that he has recognized this mistake and regrets it deeply, he's going to make a sacrifice for the Alliance to win... maybe even throw in a last ditch effort out of absolutely nowhere to help them during the final push. Sort of like when Vegeta was pretty much taken out of the fight, but swallowed his pride to help Gohan defeat Cell with a ki blast. I think that would be the perfect redemption for him and would also make him a great character
There's still the posibility of most supernovas working under Kidd, that's a cool theory and a nice way to show more of him and redeem his past betrayal of joining Kaido.
@@vicentematias763 i know that theory and for apoo or hawkings i could see It, but i definitely cant see Urouge, Bege and x Drake under Kids command. Anyway its a cool posibility
I think his tarot cards and his voodoo dolls are all actual magic and the only thing the Straw Straw fruit can do is make him into a strawman like Mr 3 is a waxman. He just has magic from being so good at tarot like how Ms. Goldenweek had straight up magic paint from being a good painter. He just uses his strawman powers in tandem with his magic. I doubt we're gonna get am explanation in the manga hopefully someone ask him in an Sbs.
In some ways he contrasts Blackbeard a lot but Blackbeard seems to embrace his fate more properly and seems blessed in some ways for him to try and carry out, though he is not the man Roger was looking for in the end.
The way hawkins is treated is annoying but brings up a repeated pattern in how oda treats "villanous" individuals vs "virtuous" ones. Where anything they do shows their weakness but when the same thing is done by good characters its respectful. Like if luffy runs from battle vs pirate mooks the pirate mooks will be depicted as cowardly and luffy will be depicted as trying to protect his crew in a bad situation. The same with hawkins deciding to join kaidou isn't very different from ace joining whitebeard after being beaten and giving up his dream but the depiction is very different
He stated a new path…. I believe he will join Kidd crew. Also, I believe kidd will attract more super novas under his crew. What oda said before he didnt think of the super nova but the editor’s recommendations to add them (Kidd crew distributed as captain on their own).
Hawkins is not done. In the scenario where the raid fails, I can definitely see Hawkins switching sides even where Kaido and Big Mom seem like they're gonna win, making use of his predictions but not giving up to the ordinations of fate.
Agreed. Back in Act 1, I think we should of had a full chapter of Law VS Hawkins. Show off more of the card and straw abilities and rough Law up a bit but ultimately be defeated (but not KO'd) and then start using more underhanded tactics that we see in Act 2 and 3.
Hawkins with Kaido or Bigmom doll will be op like Moriah with Kaido, Bigmom shadow . Hawkins basically low key Marco, if he has enough life forces. I dont know if its anime only but when kizaru light kick xdrake, urouge were unaware of getting kick but here hawkins eye was tracking the kicking and knew. Hawkins will eventually join Kidd when he becomes yonku with rest of beast pirates. King joins strong people defeating bigmom will put kidd on new yonku position. Kidd pirates crew be like: 1. Captain: Kidd Heavy metal 3: 2. Killer 3. King 4. Jack Hard rock 3: 5. Weevil 6. Whoswho 7. Hawkins Rock and roll 6: 8. Sasaki 9. Black Maria 10. Ulti 11. Page one 12. Heat 13. Wire.
Would’ve been cool if he had more game to play in the series. Kidd seems like the foil to Luffy as Hawkins seems to be the foil to Law. I pictured him being a greater strategist than what he has shown.
I feel like a lot of fans forget that being with the protagonist or antagonist doesn't mean being right or wrong, I never expected the supernova to be the type of person who will do anything for stop the bag guy. For me, there concept is mean to be Luffy rival in a way that they had their own journeys and ambitions and will always follow them. The one I actually hope will change is Kidd. Despite being an ally, I always find him arrogant and he just want thing to be the way HE want, unlike Luffy or Law, who have or chance or just accept that the plan doesn't go the way it does.
Yo, people are confused in these comments. Hawkins is not picking the best outcome, rather he's picking the safest one. That is also the reason he didn't chose Luffy's alliance over Kaido, because Luffy is famous for choosing the most dangerous paths like that time when they first sailed the New World.
I always loved the character by design and by ability, but 1029 really makes me love the character as a whole, I view his cruelty as ultimately directed at himself as his frustration of his own low self-esteem (deepen by his bad luck and the present situation places even more doubt on the path he chooses) but ended up directing the misfortune and the result of his actions towards those who I argue earned his begrudging respect (as he always does, but this time also absolving him of his responsibilities, further worsening his standing as a Conquorer, causing even more damage to his considerable pride, after all I assume he also aspired to be the Pirate King), and therefore I can see him mentally breaking when he drew that final card, the Tower, in which his castle (and prison if I may) in the clouds came crashing down on top of him, he just stood there and take the hit, no longer have the will to resist.
Morj is basically saying Hawkins didnt liv up to the potential he had and the way oda used him in the end was mid. Hawkins has so much more in his kit and character that could have been expanded on but none of that was touched.
I saw one interesting theory about Hawkins devil fruit. What if his devil fruit is just basic straw paramecia? And all other abilities are actually real dark magic. Just wanted to share out there
They should’ve gotten Hawkins and his commanders of his crew vs heat, wire, the two unknown kid pirates that be in the background like the Mohawk dude with shades and the muscle dude, that would be like a satanic cultist war, like voodoo vs heavy metal
Hawkins always was one of my favorite characters, but as he just follows probabilities his course of action would always end in this way for the Strawhats always go against probabilities. He could still play a part in the story by joining the Strawhats, those who win despite odds, as either an allied captain or as a member of his grand fleet. Urouge also still should appear, since Luffy defeated Enel, he could be either an enemy or an ally depending in his relation to Enel, im inclined to the later.
A fatal blunder. Hawkins should've castled early and watched out for the diagonals, specially for underestimated pawns turned Killer Queens at the end of the board.
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He's a great example of real world behavior.
Playing safe makes it so you won't get the worst out of situations, but won't give the chance of achieving the best outcomes
This is sadly true. Even in situations that skew more towards a 50/50, 60/40, would Hawkins even risk the lower percentages? It makes u wonder
You'll end up in a relatively safe day-to day job that pays the bills. And have a shitty boss. XD
Nice angle
@@mahmii0174 I doubt he would, he's very pragmatic and stoic.
The fact that he knows the success rate of each of his actions, makes it even more unlikely, due to that type of personality trait
@@fumomofumosarum5893 You just described 90% of the world 😂😅
Hawkins was doomed to fail from the very beginning. For a series where strength is defined through your very will and ambition, obviously a character who isn't willing to press his luck isn't going to get very far.
Fax, and that doesnt make him a bad character at all, in fact characters like him elevate the Characters who represent strength in OP if anything
@@almightylambo9540 I share the same sentiment
I agree. And it also makes sense that doing things his way was the most rewarding up until he hit this threshold where he then was one of the first to fall. Being smart and being lucky isn't something that's ever been discounted in one piece as vital for success. But it's also been proven time and time again that the only way to acctually achive your dream in this world is to put fighting for it above anything else.
That was the obvious message from the start, yeah. A man who won't even try if the odds aren't satisfying? He's got a hard ceiling, and he found it.
He got far. But not the farthest
I believe Hawkins is weak in the way his convictions are weak. He's only looking at best odds and playing it safe. He has his own ambitions, but they easily crumble when faced with any adversity and he jumps ship to the next best opportunity.
The message that is inforced in this chapter that only the mindset and personality of luffy can triumph in this world. The methods and beliefs of belemy katakuri and hawkins are obsolete.
@@Mr-ON If you want to achieve greatness yeah. I don't know why everyone is surprised here that Oda is putting real life elements in One Piece. In our own world only the most exceptional people really achieved historic greatness. From the Michael Jacksons to the Gangis Khans. All the the worlds most impactful figures were EXPETIONAL people who defied the odds. The reason Supernovas like Luffy, Kid, and Law will rise to greatness is that they still chose to go directly against the Yonko, when everyone else told them they were unstoppable. Pirates like Hawkins and Appo will never reach the top of the pirate ladder because they refuse to keep climbing when knocked down.
@@ayubsharif7419 Thats why marineford is such a great arc because it supports hawkins ideology. Luffy went against the odds and got decimated. I'd say its almost always a given that luffy will win sooner or later in an arc. Its the antagonist who are going against the odds. Fate is on luffy's side; he has the pirate king's hat; he has a trusted reader of ponugliphs; he has the best navigator, best ship rite, best chef, best doctor, strongest fishman and best helmsman not to mention tons upon tons of allies. I think we can all agree even in wano with all the prophicies kaido is the one fighting the odds not luffy. The problem with having luffy lose is that oda can't just leave a defeated luffy to be killed by his enemy. For example in marineford conviniently law showed up (a doctor with a broken fruit based on surgury) who conviniently has submarine which can't be persuited by the navy; to save luffy by risking his own and his crew's life, then law's submarines somehow escaped the switness of two navy admirals.
@@ayubsharif7419 Michael Jackson did not defy the odds??
his dad forced him to practice every day as a kid and basically forced him to be good
if anything the odds were against him sucking
you take a child and only train them at something...odds are very good there going to be exceptional at it
@@Mr-ON if you are going to talk about that then let's talk about black beard and akainu too. Akainu was powerless and fell into the creaks of the island after taking 1 full powered gura gura attack he should've fallen to the sea and died yet plot saves him.
Let's talk about BB the whole incident with magelen shiruyu just conveniently showed up and saved him at that moment, what about him vs WB WB just conveniently haves a heart attack at the point when he was about to deliver the final blow.
Hawkins's search history after Wano: How to shuffle with one hand.
Lol
LMAO fax
he will probably have a arm made of straw dont u think?
I don't argree with the general consensus that Hawkins was a worthless character. He is quite laterally Oda's strawman, he's ment to represent the logical/reasonable response to his own story developments
Mate I mean I don't see how being content being a lapdog is reasonable. I just think there was a lot of lost potential with his character. Seeing an arc with him against Luffy with their clash of ideals of approaching obstacles in a logical manner Vs striving to do the impossible would have been pretty cool.
@@theanimehub2180 All the supernovas had potential to be well fleshed for sure, but like they said theirs only so much screen time, and Hawkins has already served the story to some degree. Bonnie deserves more development too but I don't think that'll happen till the Grand War.
@@theanimehub2180 Some people are really like that though.
Indeed.
@@theanimehub2180 We got that with Kid and Killer vs. him Luffy and Zoro clashed with him and later Law.
Still a fantastic character design from Oda. His whole aesthetic, vibe and personality, down to the design of his flagship and its name…. I like Hawkins as a character purely for those reasons. Would have liked for him to flourish a bit more but he was written to fail… since he relies on fate rather than make his own luck and walk his own path. One Piece is all about the latter.
Fate does come mos def into play, but think of all the other aspects as well.
@AndrewWithEase11 11 fate and freedom has equal emphasis.
@AndrewWithEase11 11 fate def is a theme in one piece but that is due to inherited will which is a key theme . Another key theme is never giving up on your dreams and Hawkins gave up on his dreams hence why fate was no longer on his side .
@AndrewWithEase11 11 no I didn’t
@AndrewWithEase11 11 ok daddy lol.
Maybe hawkins' failure is that he is trying to be logical in the illogical world of one piece. Like if the scouter from dragon ball was a real person. I'll probably add more later.
So he’s Law that didn’t ally with Luffy?
I was thinking the same thing someone who won't take risk in the one piece world has no chance of making it to the top. Seems like he doesn't even have the will to risk his life on his goals and I guess his powers reflects the 2 parts of his down fall his cards that he uses to avoid all risk and his straw dolls that always let's him avoid putting his life on the line by putting others life out there.
That's a great way to put it. Because of the idealized versions of real life concepts like following your dreams and what not, Hawkins feels like he clashes with that idea of saying "screw it" and trying your hardest despite the odds.
It's not about the world being illogical, it's that greatness is only achieved by playing against the odds and betting on your own ability to persevere despite them.
That rings true in real life as well-
There's little odds of achieving greatness in anything, but those who dive in and persevere despite setbacks meet success.
One piece is logical though he wasn’t being logical that’s the honest truth simple
I feel like Hawkins got screwed by matchups in Wano that made him look worse. The Zoro fight was a skirmish at best and him 'losing' wasn't really a loss at all, so that doesn't count. Law is pretty much his hard counter, because he can easily slice up and beat Hawkins without even touching his voodoo dolls. And Killer caught him off guard and beat him on a technicality, because it slipped his mind that Kidd lost his arm and Killer's greatest ability seems to be his speed- he was able to blitz him and take off his arm. I actually love this because it feels like vintage one piece where fights were decided based on devil fruit powers and creative solutions to problems, not haki, and it leaves the door wide open for Hawkins to successfully combat MUCH more powerful opponents in the future without it being inconsistent.
I remember Hawkins' introduction period, when he was just sitting down playing with his cards while freaking Kizaru was right in front of him, then he just dismisses him by saying "go look somewhere else".
He was fearless and interesting. Didn't expect him to piss his pants that hard in the future because of Yonko.
He was "fearless" because of the card reading. And he pissed his pants here because of the card reading again. He just knew that Kizaru wouldn't do anything to him that day. So I wouldn't say that he was truly fearless, knowing how supernatural powers with Tarot in OP works.
@@ErmacReptile Yeah, same here. Sure, I don't know HOW I'm escaping death, but if my chances of dying are 0% then I'll be chilling, especially with a fruit that lets me bypass damage
That wasn't his introduction. His introduction was when Shakki was introducing the supernova. "That was the fate of your shirt" was his first line.
@@ErmacReptile exactly, he got scared of kaido because he had 0% of success
@@henrypeters5291 "introduction period"
Hawkins flaw lies within one of the main themes of One Piece. Of Destiny, Fate and fighting the Odds.
This is something peppered throughout the story at rare moments and it’s something people often confuse for fate or destiny. Especially when looked at in isolation but when you put them all together it paints a very clear picture.
The truth is that there is no such thing as “fate” in One Piece. Thats just something a lot of characters believe because it’s an easy “go to” explanation.
Whats actually happening is far simpler.
One of the reasons the Katakuri fight was so great was because in encapsulated damn near every theme in the story in one single encounter while developing both characters. But the important part here is what it has to say about “fighting the odds”. Oda describes Luffy as a man of action. So in this encounter we have a clash between Katakuri the man who can see the future vs Luffy the man of action. The question asked for us at the start of the fight is “who decides the future?” and in the end the man of action succeeds over the man who could merely “see” the future. What the story is trying to say it made clear through Bege much earlier: “You can only see the future, everyone else has the power to change it.”
The ability to take action is what decides the future. Which is why Luffy succeeds where Katakuri fails.
The point the story is trying to make is that the most effective way to predict the future is to create it. Your actions effect the outcome. The Odds are NOT static. They are always changing and your actions have the potential to change them. Which is why guys like Killer and The Rooftop 5(wow that sounds like a band name) are on the same wavelength. They believe in their own ability.
In Luffy vs Katakuri, the future seeing man thinks that Luffy’s future is decided. Because he’s already seen it. But Luffy persists and takes action against every prediction. To the point where the outcome has completely changed. And by the end of the fight Katakuri can no longer see a future where he defeats Luffy. Because Luffy changed his odds. Through taking action.
We have this theme coming up again earlier in the arc with Tama. The Beast Pirates are at a massive advantage over The Alliance during the Raid. But because Tama chose to take action, those Odds have changed. Having literally said: “I’ve come here to change those odds.”
Oda has been telling us this long before Wano.
You can go back through the series and see this everywhere. This is why Shanks literally says to Coby at Marineford that: “those few seconds of courage you took to take action just changed the future”
Again the story is hitting at the idea of people’s actions being what decides the future. Not fate.
We see this come up again with Ivankov in Impel down. He tells Mr 2 that “Miracles only happen to those who never give up”.
It’s the actions of those who pursued something against all odds that create the miracles. Their actions created that new possibility. Not fate. Which is why you’ll see something like a storm saving Roger in his fight with Shiki. Roger persisted against overwhelming odds and was rewarded with a miracle.
Another commonly misunderstood scene that shows us this theme is when Hawkins is checking Luffy’s Odds after Marineford. Hawkins can’t get Luffy’s odds of survival to come out as Zero. A lot of people think this is fate but if you remember the theme then it’s clear that isn’t the case. This isn’t plot, this isn’t fate, the reason Luffy’s odds do not reach zero is because Luffy is still fighting. He hasn’t given up yet. The point the scene is trying to get across is that no matter what the odds are, no matter how often they change as long as you’re still fighting/taking action? They are NOT zero.
This idea is even reflected in Luffy’s entire journey. Think of where he started. At the beginning of the series Coby tells Luffy that a guy like him with no Pirate crew had no chance. That the odds against him were so astronomical, that it was impossible for him to be the Pirate King in the Golden Age of Pirates. And you know what? Coby is exactly right. If Luffy faced Emperors as he was back then? He would have stood no chance and died instantly. But because Luffy kept taking action, growing stronger, building his crew, forming connections Luffy has completely flipped that scenario. He’s completely changed his odds to the point where people are now calling him the 5th Emperor on the seas and is one of the most highly talked about Pirate King candidates. That idiot in a barrel who got lost at sea has now earned the respect of Kaido himself, being viewed as a worthy opponent and is now seemingly fighting on par with the World’s Strongest creature. Luffy’s come a long way but if he looked at those odds….and did nothing? He’d be right where he was at the start of the story. Nothing would have changed.
To accept the odds is to allow things to remain as they are. When the odds aren’t in your favor you shouldn’t be thinking “Oh theres no way I can win.” You should be thinking “Ok what can I do to change that?” Having the odds stacked against you is indicator of how much action you should be taking. Not a sign for you to take no action.
tl;dr
*Thats what Hawkins needs to learn in Wano and thats What I believe is character arc is going to be.*
Great write-up 👍
Great job finishing your volume 1 👍
Loved this 👏🏿
This is a really good write-up. I agree with pretty much everything you said. It's interesting that Killer notices regret in Hawkin's voice (Killer is pretty emotionally intelligent). That Hawkins obviously aspired to being more than Kaido's lackey when he set out for the New World. I'm still of the opinion that we're getting round 2 of the raid so when he wakes up, he'll probably switch sides of his own free will.
You should make your own video analysis haha this was great
People talk about kids pirate life being a joke but Hawkins really bowed down to the first emperor he met and then lost to a former rival captains subordinate
Everyone will eat their own words who downplayed kidd also apoo was just as if not more of a coward than hawkins
@@chrono733 I mean it depends on when he joined or how he was forced under Kaido.
@@henrypeters5291 does it really matter? It's clear he succumbed to kaidos power
@@chrono733 So did Capone with Big Mom, the difference was he was planning on betraying her. That said we don't know if his plan from the getgo was going to work for Kaido because he didn't think he had a chance.
@@henrypeters5291 he's clearly on kaidos side if he wanted to take down kaido amd was hiding like bege apoo would've switched sides like drake did or he wouldn't have been a fucking snitch and betrayed kidd killer and hawkins
Killer beated Hawkins in those 3 aspects that you mentioned (strawman, vodoo dolls, future predictions). He sliced the strawman with ease (being better at brute force); he outsmarted him by using his vodoo doll abilities against him (cutting his arm); and persevered despite the huge odds of failure (not bending to Kaido and fighting until the end). I think Hawkins was really well explored as a character, just as Bellamy was. This chapter was flawless!
@@glungusgongus Hawkins predicted killer would have an 8% chance of surviving the battle with hawkins.
I think Hawkins' abilities are a great reflection of his character. He's always controlling others. Using them as shields. He never uses his own strength. That's why he didn't believe in himself and chose the safe route when confronted with Kaido. And for a character whose abilities are so malevolent by nature, it did a great job at firing me up for his eventual defeat.
*Shanks's observation Haki is so OP, he Cut Kid's arm because he knew what Was going to go own with Hawkins in the Wano Raid* 🤣🤣🤣
Future sight pro max
@@bonchitogovindodas3333 🤣🤣
It wasn’t shanks
I agree 100%. Hawkins is such an interesting character! As he is now he could easily be a top villain or anti-hero of any given fantasy action series that he could be shoe horned into, IMO. But unfortunately for him he's among the enormous world in the epic that is One Piece, already saturated with appealing characters having unique abilities.
The one thing that keeps me from thinking that Hawkins role in this arc is over is that we still don't know who the man he predicted had a 1% chance to live . A secondary more minor motive is the card he mentioned while he was fighting Luffy and Zoro that would make his allies stroneger .
I think most people think it was Drake that he was referring to. Drake essentially was like "damn, sucks to be him" and upon rereading the arc, I feel it's pretty clear it was more of a veiled threat to Drake.
And the official English translation for the section about the good card that you're talking about doesn't refer to one card. After drawing a card that was detrimental to him and his allies, he basically says that there are beneficial cards too. This seems to be what people are hung up on. He says he'll draw a good card next, and then he draws hierophant reversed, the card of pursuit, which he calls good. He has no one magical card for making his allies stronger
Kidd & Hawkins are like a Marvel "What If?" of Luffy & Law.
I totally agree with you, Hawkins was my favourite supernova pre-timeskip.
He had soooo much potential, but of course like a million other characters... Underutilized 😒😒😒
His abilities are the only thing that I feel we should have gotten a bit more from. In terms of how it all works. But apart from that, his whole arc is acceptable enough. The supernovas were all created on a whim and then they turned out to be great for the story so it stands to reason that not all of them would be relevant deep into the story. The only way to switch this and make them all relevant going forward is if at least some of them join Kid's crew. Because currently the Kid pirates by themselves can't really match up with other yonko crews.
rip "basil hawkins: the greatest chess master that never was"
That was honestly a better title, no Idea why Morj changed it. Because the algorithm demanded it?
@@ritacirocavalcante i like the previous title too.
it's a bit more poetic and thematically appropriate given the content of the video,
but i can see why the new title would be blessed by the algorithm and get more ppl to click/view.
content is still the same
I feel like Hawkins' character could still be developed further in future arcs. Since he's the pirate that most strictly adheres to fate right now, he could also potentially have the most cathartic "defying fate" moment in the series. Imagine him going Yugi Muto in the final war, influencing his own destiny and drawing the exact cards that he wants to draw to finally bring out his full power. That would be quite the redemption arc for him.
2:45 this could also be why he got such a small bounty increase during the two year timeskip. He went from 249M to 320M, that's just 71M. Compare that o Kid - 315M to 470M, that's 155. Or even Apoo who went to 198 to 350M, that's 152
Killer went from 160 to 200 tho which is even worse and I’m very confused how. Perhaps the lies BM was telling about Kidd spread to Killer.
@@ojogbaneamedu2501 killer is not a captain tho
Never thought of the potential of Hawkins character. He was never a supernova I was really invested in, but I think he's a really cool and unique character.
I know ace got his own spinoff so it would be cool if the supernovas had the same treatment.
Would love to see novels or some other piece of media detailing their adventures before and after Sabaody. What got them these high bounties comparable to Luffy's when none of them took out a Warlord or invaded a major government facility? The possibilities are fascinating to say the least.
If Hawkins is done for the series, he will be the first supernova that fell below expectations. Specifically, expectations that where set after Law, Beige and now Killer have done more in the story then was reasonable to expect. Kid (still), Bonny, Urouge and X Drake all seem to have bigger thins in the future.
Still, I don’t thing he was a bad presence in the story. He was engaging in the beginning of Wano and it was fun to speculate about his predictions. He was just underutilized.
Hawkins is setting an example that the others will follow of falling below expectations.
@@Mr-ON Nah, he fell below expectations because 3 of the other supernovas had raised the bar. After SA, this was the role I had expected a lot of the supernovas (except Kid and Law) to fall into. That they would serve as an example to contrast Luffy with and to give some good fight.
I really don't see the need to be all pessimistic yet.
I think that if the raid does fail, Hawkins character could still have more interesting things to do, but not in the way I've seen most people talk about him.
I think Hawkins could join the alliance for the second round, but not because that's his cards tell him, one piece has never been a story of characters taking the most logical route even if it means abandoning your allies and dreams and be rewarded for it.
If the raid fails it would give Hawkins the chance to finally make a decision for his own instead of blindly following what his cards tell him. So, if he switches sides, it shouldn't be because it gives him the best chances for survival, but because we wants to fight for himself and his dreams, even if victory is statistically impossible in his eyes.
trueeeeee
This would be great honestly
I really hope he has a change of heart, my favorite parts of One Piece are a character changing their rigid ideals based on what others have done. It would be great in the end game of this arc. It comes down to the thick of it, and then Hawkins has to make a decision and he just throws all of his cards and joins the alliance.
He’s dead though
@@fishwoz17 you reading two piece
Basil Hawkins is now officially a memeber of 'I too lost an arm club' whose Co-founder is none other than Shanks himself 😂
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@@Cipher_Paul Yep.......
@@Cipher_Paul word for word bar for bar😞
I don't know if ppl notice this but it seems that oda is kind of scaling power level using how many times someone has faced a yonko ( it s said that yamato got stronger by going after kaido time and time again) and we know that kidd/luffy were considered on the same lvl ,, if u go with this logic ,, luffy lost twice to kaido , and kidd lost once to redhair shanks and once to kaido , then we see luffy and kidd going head to head in prison so I eel like this is how oda might justiy the powerup that kidd is about to get to beat BM
I also was a massive fan of Hawkins when he was first introduced! I hope that he continues to show up in the story, but honestly I’m not sure if he will.
I don't think his powers have anything to do with future sight. I think that, just like Law, he just has a wide variety of devil fruit abilities that you shouldn't think about too much, it's just a weird paramecia that can do anything Oda says it can do. Law has all abilities kind of related to medicine, while Hawkins just has all abilities related to some form of mysticism. That's it, no need to inspect it any closer.
I can easily see Hawkins be a side commentor of the FINAL WAR, maybe bearing the knowledge that the mugiwara can overcome impossible odds
Commentator?
I hope Hawkins has a straw arm now and I hope he evolves as well and we can see some greatness
Everyone: "Hawkins is not explained enough"
Oda: "A Magician never reveals his methods"
Let's be fair to Oda too, he most probably didn't intend to have these characters so far into the story, hell he didn't even have them on his mind while starting sabaody so i am quite content with what we ended up with. If you look back most of the supernovas weave insanely well into the story while Oda could have had them dissapear once he got to the new world (looking at you urouge). but at the same time i see where you come from too.
Honestly, I wasn't very interested in the supernova when they were first introduced. It was clear that they came out of nowhere and there only place was to help powerscale Luffy as a pirate. That said, it's been interesting how the represented the two paths in the New World: You either work for a Yonko or you go against them.
@@henrypeters5291 You either work for a Yonko or you get crushed by them*
@@henrypeters5291 interesting. For me it's other way. When they were first introduced I was very excited about them. Now I couldn't care less about them.
I see people say Hawkins is one of the worst supernova because they think he joined Kaido out of fear. I don’t think he is necessarily, this man just makes calculated choices for his survival. His emotions usually seem pretty irrelevant to the equation.
In any situation he’s kinda following a string of events and choices that keep him alive - if he hadn’t met Kaido he’d probably be doing something else entirely.
All of his choices seem to be calculated on fate
Hawkins is one of those anime characters who would be way more successful in the real world, but unfortunately they live in a universe where willpower and fighting against the odds always works in one's favour. Rossiu from Gurren Lagann comes to mind as another huge example.
My thoughts exactly, people sometimes place more emotion on characters than is implied. Like the Kizaru encounter for example, he was unfazed when he came up to him but simply cuz he had a 0% chance of death that day
I don't think Oda is just gonna abandon Hawkins. Look at Dressrosa, he basically introduced every character for keeps^^
I think the worst part of Hawkins going down is that we never got to fully explore how his devil fruit works. Like seriously, I'm still scratching my head over how the fuck his ability works, how he links people to his straw dolls and don't even get me started on his tarot card stuff.
I suspect Capone Gang Bege was not meant to be relevant at all. He is introduced and later revealed to be Lola's sister's significant other. You don't get a character more shoehorned in than that! And then his contribution to Whole Cake Island as an arc was fantastic. I bet Oda improvised a lot with Capone and it worked perfectly.
Brother in law. It's her sister he's married to.
@@omgaidebig4121 yeah. That's it. He feels much more improvised than Hawkins.
Oda stated that going into the timeskip, he believed some of the Supernovas would die but they all surprised him by surviving. To me, this indicates that going into the timeskip, as a writer, Oda didn't have plans for all the supernovas and intended on having some of them just die over the skip. But, as time progressed, he saw ways to include them. Bege and Apoo seem like the strongest candidates to me since both of them were depicted having rough starts when entering the New World in the pre-timeskip's closing chapters.
Apoo being shoeshorned into Kaido's crew despite having nothing to do with the crew's concept fit this. Compare him to Drake, whose fruit and plans going into the New World indicates he was always meant to be a Sword member infiltrating Kaido's crew. The same could be said with Bege; a mafia boss with a goofy character design that Oda later saw would fit in well with the themes of Whole Cake Island. Bege even kills a member of his crew for second guessing him back in Sabaody, yet he's portrayed as a family man post-timeskip.
Hawkins, to me, seems like he had the opposite happen. Oda originally set up the character for greatness alongside Law, Kid, and Drake, but fell flat as the story unfolded and Hawkins got regulated to the position he's in today.
@@funkyqueen6070 hey, all that does make sense. What about Bonney?
Kinda was always my least favorite supernova anyway. Though I do see potential for him to continue and change ways
i wish he will be back too, his power is so unique, really want to see other cards effects his attack
Both Hawkins and Usopp takes into consideration the odds of success, but Usopp always ends up taking the chance!
I used to play around with Tarot cards when I was younger, I feel that Hawkins journey is that of "The Fool reversed" he was making himself stand still, he was doubting himself and needed to control everything he could so he would not wallow in regret( like Killer pointed to in their battle)
While this is in stark contrast to Luffy and Usopp which I feel follows the path of "The Fool Upright" Taking a step into the world even If you are not 100% ready to face everything, even when facing your weaker self being able to move forward and goes against the odds.
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I thought him up to be the most 'clever' and the most 'scheming' out of all the supernova because his abilities were so cuel yet so effective. He seemed like he had an ultimate plan to trump over all of his rival supernovas. Thats something you would expect from one of the most shadowy characters in one piece. My head canon was that he would some how backstab and kill kaido by attaching his life to a fodder and then kill kaido by killing the fodder. Its repeated again and again that Kaido is invincible; he can be defeated but not be killed by ordinary methods. Than hawkins would use kaido's dead body as a summonable creature through his cards. That would have been his secrect weapon/trump card/ultimate plan for the final war. To aquire the strength and durabity he does not have himself. But we didn't get any motivation from him nor really a sense of threat. Maybe the 'Worst' generation isn't that bad after all.
this wouldnt been way better lmao.
Too bad his character is just being wasted rn with him losing to Killer with no struggle.
It would've been better if Oda stuck with his original plan where he would become a Warlord.
Heck, I used to think Law and Hawkins would fight each other during the raid and Kidd and Luffy would 2 v1 Kaido because "always bet on Kaido in 1v1" in the beginning of Wano, before BM was intoduced.
It would make a lot of sense for Hawkin's character arc to continue. He'll be a good vehicle to further explore on the background force in One Piece that is Fate, which rendered all of his predictions useless in such a short span of time. Hopefully, he learns to get out of his comfort zone decision making soon, like a pirate is supposed to be.
Hawkins ability to use others as human shields is a cowards move. I am glad he got chopped down and didn't try to change sides cos he is basically trash on legs.
Hawkins & morj : the raid will fail
Killer: that's where you're wrong,buddy.
Bruh Uruge out here carrying the name of the SuperNova after Luffy. Cause he not only beat A Sweet Commander but escaped Big Mom's territory plus he met Kaido briefly
Hawkins is a representation of the kind of captains that follow Kaido. Powerful people put aside their own dreams to serve Kaidos Will, so that they would survive.
I like how you changed the title from "The chess player who never was" to "Wtf happened man!" 🤣
he was always consistent he avoided fights he couldn't win and played safe because he knew his limits, that's whats holding him back from becoming a great pirate I think oda can do an amazing character arc for him.
I can appreciate that Morj doesn’t shy away from disagreeing with Oda’s writing
Why is no one talking about that nerd calculator analogy? That bit had me in shambles, I can't stop laughing
Even if you have to dig a bit to see it, I feel like Hawkins had an entire character arc. Hawkins was a realist in an idealistic world. He began was a character that hid in the shadows, living a life of cold calculation. But in order to be great in the one piece world, a person must be bold. They must stand by their ideals, even when it is risky. They must make a name for themselves. As Hawkins never did that, he was a mere shell of a man. He lost the moment he submitted to Kaido. Hawkins avoided the limelight, so he was defeated quietly. It’s fitting.
Mr Morj summing up Hawkins and Killer fight with "shut up nerd" metaphor LMAO 🤣 keep it up Mr Morj
How cool would it be If the tower isn't only important for this war, but also the last war? Huge foreshadowing
It's kinda funny that hawkins the user of the straw fruit was defeated by killer who uses sythes as weapons. I should have seen that coming
One Piece is literally a story about the pursuit of one’s dream. Hawkins is another character, regardless of circumstances, that ultimately gave up on chasing a dream for safety in the current establishment (the umbrella of Kaido). Our protagonist is literally island hopping destroying that establishment.
Hawkins was always destined to get crushed once his character gave up and surrendered. One piece gonna One Piece 🤷♂️
I can't find it now but actually Oda commented on Basil Hawkins a while ago. He said that he had plans for him to become a warlord post time skip but idk why he changed his mind. So I think pre timeskip and even some of post timeskip he had the plan of making him a warlord but something changed along the way.
With each passing video, I feel like I'm slowly watching morj realize that the won't fail.
Hawkins should have been just one of the Flying Six. Maybe that way we could get more focus on him.
@@starless267 Beast Pirates operate on survival of the fittest principle so it doesn't matter if he is new. If he is strong he gets the job.
After watching Randy Troy’s video about the Blackbeard Pirates, their obsession about “Fate”, and how fate seems to be on their side right now, I could see Hawkins becoming one of Teach’s subordinates if he still has a role in the story. This would assume he will be alive, not stuck in Impel Down, and won’t have a change of heart in the future though lol
Eh I wouldn't want to see Hawkins become another Yonkous subordinate after this lol
@@zippydog2374 It's exactly the kind of thing he would do.
Until Mr. Narrator announces Hawkin's defeat, I'll still think he's still in it
Start of next chapter [Hawkins is defeated] xD
Hawkins predicts his own death *
Hawkins : call me Mystic Mac ! I predict dese tingz !
Before I watch. Hawkins has been a very weird but interesting character in Wano in my opinion, and it has been hard to discern his true character. However, now with this fight, I have a 100% better idea of it. He was trying to justify his choices by voicing them out, not only to Killer, but to himself... he had made the choice that was most guaranteed to allow him to survive, rather than something stupid with little chance of working. That's the thing about Hawkins' character... he's a guy that believes in the cards and chance. The cards (or his mindset) most definitely showed him that there's a higher chance of surviving by joining Kaido. And so far, that's been true...
But Luffy and everyone else are showing him that there's still hope. Hawkins was never the type of character to have hope in things like this that seemed pointless, yeah? That is why I believe, now that he has recognized this mistake and regrets it deeply, he's going to make a sacrifice for the Alliance to win... maybe even throw in a last ditch effort out of absolutely nowhere to help them during the final push. Sort of like when Vegeta was pretty much taken out of the fight, but swallowed his pride to help Gohan defeat Cell with a ki blast. I think that would be the perfect redemption for him and would also make him a great character
I feel really sad if this id the end of Hawkings. I was expecting so many things for him since Shabaody, I hope Oda gives us a bit more of him
There's still the posibility of most supernovas working under Kidd, that's a cool theory and a nice way to show more of him and redeem his past betrayal of joining Kaido.
@@vicentematias763 i know that theory and for apoo or hawkings i could see It, but i definitely cant see Urouge, Bege and x Drake under Kids command. Anyway its a cool posibility
Babe wake up new Morj video !!
when is the marinford analysis coming ?
Hawkins is a character with no conviction in a world ruled by willpower, he was doomed to fail from the start.
Hawkins has awakened his powers
"shut up nerd your calculator doesn't work" i was laughing so hard
Mr Morj: makes shit ton of videos
Marineford Analysis:
Personally I doubt Hawkins story is over. I think he will have a cool redemption moment. A la mr 2
BRO the original title for this vid was hilarious! 😂 😂 😂
Loved the breakdown Morj! Hawkins is such an interesting character.
I think his tarot cards and his voodoo dolls are all actual magic and the only thing the Straw Straw fruit can do is make him into a strawman like Mr 3 is a waxman. He just has magic from being so good at tarot like how Ms. Goldenweek had straight up magic paint from being a good painter. He just uses his strawman powers in tandem with his magic. I doubt we're gonna get am explanation in the manga hopefully someone ask him in an Sbs.
Hawkins better join law so he has a right hand man
I’ve always loved basil Hawkins
In some ways he contrasts Blackbeard a lot but Blackbeard seems to embrace his fate more properly and seems blessed in some ways for him to try and carry out, though he is not the man Roger was looking for in the end.
Great video. Really enjoyed what you said about Hawkins. Also quick question what is the name of the background song?
I would love if Hawkins joined Kidd's crew largely because of Killer's resolve for Kidd's dream.
It'd be funny if killer uno reversed what Hawkins said to him "if you come quietly I'll put in a good word to Kid"
The way hawkins is treated is annoying but brings up a repeated pattern in how oda treats "villanous" individuals vs "virtuous" ones. Where anything they do shows their weakness but when the same thing is done by good characters its respectful. Like if luffy runs from battle vs pirate mooks the pirate mooks will be depicted as cowardly and luffy will be depicted as trying to protect his crew in a bad situation. The same with hawkins deciding to join kaidou isn't very different from ace joining whitebeard after being beaten and giving up his dream but the depiction is very different
He stated a new path…. I believe he will join Kidd crew.
Also, I believe kidd will attract more super novas under his crew. What oda said before he didnt think of the super nova but the editor’s recommendations to add them (Kidd crew distributed as captain on their own).
Hawkings is learning the hard way what probability means
The thumbnail is hilarious lol
Oh yeah I wonder how morj is gonna react to basil's tarot card standing for destruction of establishments aka the 4 emperors
Hawkins is not done. In the scenario where the raid fails, I can definitely see Hawkins switching sides even where Kaido and Big Mom seem like they're gonna win, making use of his predictions but not giving up to the ordinations of fate.
Agreed.
Back in Act 1, I think we should of had a full chapter of Law VS Hawkins. Show off more of the card and straw abilities and rough Law up a bit but ultimately be defeated (but not KO'd) and then start using more underhanded tactics that we see in Act 2 and 3.
Hawkins with Kaido or Bigmom doll will be op like Moriah with Kaido, Bigmom shadow .
Hawkins basically low key Marco, if he has enough life forces.
I dont know if its anime only but when kizaru light kick xdrake, urouge were unaware of getting kick but here hawkins eye was tracking the kicking and knew.
Hawkins will eventually join Kidd when he becomes yonku with rest of beast pirates.
King joins strong people defeating bigmom will put kidd on new yonku position.
Kidd pirates crew be like:
1. Captain: Kidd
Heavy metal 3:
2. Killer
3. King
4. Jack
Hard rock 3:
5. Weevil
6. Whoswho
7. Hawkins
Rock and roll 6:
8. Sasaki
9. Black Maria
10. Ulti
11. Page one
12. Heat
13. Wire.
Would’ve been cool if he had more game to play in the series. Kidd seems like the foil to Luffy as Hawkins seems to be the foil to Law. I pictured him being a greater strategist than what he has shown.
Oda: fuck nerds, get your calculator outta here
Mr Morj: and I took that personally
I feel like a lot of fans forget that being with the protagonist or antagonist doesn't mean being right or wrong, I never expected the supernova to be the type of person who will do anything for stop the bag guy.
For me, there concept is mean to be Luffy rival in a way that they had their own journeys and ambitions and will always follow them.
The one I actually hope will change is Kidd. Despite being an ally, I always find him arrogant and he just want thing to be the way HE want, unlike Luffy or Law, who have or chance or just accept that the plan doesn't go the way it does.
His fighting style is so frustrating ! As annoying as skillful
Yo, people are confused in these comments. Hawkins is not picking the best outcome, rather he's picking the safest one.
That is also the reason he didn't chose Luffy's alliance over Kaido, because Luffy is famous for choosing the most dangerous paths like that time when they first sailed the New World.
Give it time. This won't be the last we see of the Magician. 😏😏😎😎🙏🙏👊👊
Hawkins, Uruge and Drake are the most interesting Super Nova after Law, Kidd and Luffy
I always loved the character by design and by ability, but 1029 really makes me love the character as a whole, I view his cruelty as ultimately directed at himself as his frustration of his own low self-esteem (deepen by his bad luck and the present situation places even more doubt on the path he chooses) but ended up directing the misfortune and the result of his actions towards those who I argue earned his begrudging respect (as he always does, but this time also absolving him of his responsibilities, further worsening his standing as a Conquorer, causing even more damage to his considerable pride, after all I assume he also aspired to be the Pirate King), and therefore I can see him mentally breaking when he drew that final card, the Tower, in which his castle (and prison if I may) in the clouds came crashing down on top of him, he just stood there and take the hit, no longer have the will to resist.
Morj is basically saying Hawkins didnt liv up to the potential he had and the way oda used him in the end was mid.
Hawkins has so much more in his kit and character that could have been expanded on but none of that was touched.
I saw one interesting theory about Hawkins devil fruit. What if his devil fruit is just basic straw paramecia? And all other abilities are actually real dark magic. Just wanted to share out there
They should’ve gotten Hawkins and his commanders of his crew vs heat, wire, the two unknown kid pirates that be in the background like the Mohawk dude with shades and the muscle dude, that would be like a satanic cultist war, like voodoo vs heavy metal
Morj- "Shut up kid, your calculator doesn't work."
Hawkins always was one of my favorite characters, but as he just follows probabilities his course of action would always end in this way for the Strawhats always go against probabilities. He could still play a part in the story by joining the Strawhats, those who win despite odds, as either an allied captain or as a member of his grand fleet. Urouge also still should appear, since Luffy defeated Enel, he could be either an enemy or an ally depending in his relation to Enel, im inclined to the later.
A fatal blunder. Hawkins should've castled early and watched out for the diagonals, specially for underestimated pawns turned Killer Queens at the end of the board.