I think eyes are a big one, I know a lot people who are gamers not painters that put giant googly eyes on their figure because they feel obligated to paint eyes when shadowed eye sockets would look so much better.
I’ve been a painter in the hobby for 16 years. I’ve had bits an pieces of armies here and there, but could never finish, and would sell it off in frustration. The other day, I bought the recent Templar set, painted a test figure, didn’t highlight the armor (instead, just rubbing some of the rusty red base pigment into the crevices) and I felt the biggest wave of relief wash over me when it came out…great!
I haven't drilled a single barrel in like a year and a half now. That's when I got into resin printing though so it's because 3d modelers actually put an indent on the barrel for you so you don't need to drill it yourself.
Drilled out an old CSM's backpack exhaust bits to look more like the newer ones and like Henry said, I enjoyed the process and the result a lot. I even go so far to sharpen old hammer mini's weapons, because they made them ridiculously thick back then. To some this is heresy, to other it's a waste of time, to me it is all part of the process that I love. But to you guys's point, if I did for the wrong reasons (e.g. outside pressure), then it might not be great.
Thanks for helping some folks navigate how to weigh community opinions and reinforce their own contentment. Some social media communities have profound negativism and the mantra that Andy suggests has helped me push past those disparaging comments. Novice and intermediate painters need a base of confidence more than any technique or new snazzy paint line. Thanks for making that paramount in these videos. Great stuff!
I really enjoyed the shadows video from you all! I’m somewhere between an army painter and a display painter as I do enjoy that side of the hobby a lot. I appreciate y’all taking the time to chat about this
I love your discussion shows (as well as your painting videos, those are also great)! I’m not new to the hobby, but returned after 15 years to a whole new landscape of painting prescriptions. I think a lot of people will just reflexively repeat advice they’ve been given, without necessarily understanding that advice themselves first. I’m glad I’m an adult, knowing why I’m in the hobby and what I want to get out of it and understanding that, with the risk of sounding pretentious, painting is an art form to me rather than a serious of assembly line instructions. Techniques and methods are just tools that can be used to achieve a particular result. I can understand that when someone glances at my hastily painted table top standard minis and feel the need to offer the (unsolicited) advice “thin your head paints” - they’re full of it. Those paints had been sitting on a wet palette for too long, me only having 10 minutes here and there to paint, and everything was more or less glazed on. So I know that wasn’t the issue. The issue was brush control and having rushed every step. But the internet says “thin your paints”, and so clearly that’s universally applicable advice to paint jobs that you might find in any way lacking. It’s probably a combination of people in general always wanting to be helpful in any way, even if they maybe don’t have anything helpful to add, and people wanting to feel good by showing that they know something that someone else might not. Sometimes the common wisdom feels needlessly restrictive. Everyone keeps stating how impossible it is to paint yellow. But I’d say, at worst, it’s just tedious. And there are a million ways of doing it, and none very technically difficult. I love how the Painting Phase recently did a video on the subject showing sometime like ten different methods, all with good results. Pick a way to do it that suits you and your project. You don’t have to do anything exactly the way the internet shouts at you to do it. Don’t drill your barrels. Layer up your yellow from a black undercoat. Don’t do a zenithal prime. Don’t thin your paints. What we, as a painting community, should be careful promoting when giving advice is an open mindedness about choices of techniques and never give advice without also stating what that advice is actually good for. Otherwise we’re just trading memes back and forth, and while that can be fun, it’s probably not helpful to new or old painters.
For a different take look at small scale 6 or 10mm historical miniatures. Here it's about the overall unit so a different mindset is needed. Saying that it still has its painting metas 😂
I find it funny to compare the fixed attitude to the "right way" to paint minis to traditional art. Like if people went round writing "thin your paints" under a Turner painting or "needs more edge highlights" for a Monet
Hey, the Adepticon 2023 Youngblood gold didn’t drill his bolters, but his blends were super smooth…he said he put a lot of time into glazing the transitions…
I love the message guys, it's an attitude I've always taken into my painting, and I hate to see anyone discouraged due to the "painting meta." Also, I don't mind trying to learn OSL, painting gems, or NMM, and I've got plenty of time to paint but there's no way in hell I'm drilling any barrels any time soon 😂
There are lots of people who have developed a very recognized way of painting. I think these actually influence my painting more now that whatever is the "trend". People like: Kaha, Craftworld, Emma Svensson, Tue, Christof Keil or others.
its why paint comps like 'golden daemon' don't matter. there are trends and styles that come and go, typically its also a matter of luck picking the model and range and color that's in vogue that year. a great point was the NMM, its as if using metallics is shunned (which always blows my mind), despite the fact that metallics can be just as difficult to master and explore to greater depth., but nope NMM is this stupid silly standard meta benchmark, comp painting requires nmm.... but why?
I think eyes are a big one, I know a lot people who are gamers not painters that put giant googly eyes on their figure because they feel obligated to paint eyes when shadowed eye sockets would look so much better.
I’ve been a painter in the hobby for 16 years. I’ve had bits an pieces of armies here and there, but could never finish, and would sell it off in frustration. The other day, I bought the recent Templar set, painted a test figure, didn’t highlight the armor (instead, just rubbing some of the rusty red base pigment into the crevices) and I felt the biggest wave of relief wash over me when it came out…great!
I haven't drilled a single barrel in like a year and a half now.
That's when I got into resin printing though so it's because 3d modelers actually put an indent on the barrel for you so you don't need to drill it yourself.
I’m a fan of the general message shared here. Thanks for exploring it. : )
Drilled out an old CSM's backpack exhaust bits to look more like the newer ones and like Henry said, I enjoyed the process and the result a lot. I even go so far to sharpen old hammer mini's weapons, because they made them ridiculously thick back then. To some this is heresy, to other it's a waste of time, to me it is all part of the process that I love. But to you guys's point, if I did for the wrong reasons (e.g. outside pressure), then it might not be great.
Thanks for helping some folks navigate how to weigh community opinions and reinforce their own contentment. Some social media communities have profound negativism and the mantra that Andy suggests has helped me push past those disparaging comments. Novice and intermediate painters need a base of confidence more than any technique or new snazzy paint line. Thanks for making that paramount in these videos. Great stuff!
I really enjoyed the shadows video from you all! I’m somewhere between an army painter and a display painter as I do enjoy that side of the hobby a lot. I appreciate y’all taking the time to chat about this
Thanks guys for the nice words on my diorama. The province is Hochland! :)
Henry's Rembrandt lighting is on point!
I love your discussion shows (as well as your painting videos, those are also great)!
I’m not new to the hobby, but returned after 15 years to a whole new landscape of painting prescriptions.
I think a lot of people will just reflexively repeat advice they’ve been given, without necessarily understanding that advice themselves first.
I’m glad I’m an adult, knowing why I’m in the hobby and what I want to get out of it and understanding that, with the risk of sounding pretentious, painting is an art form to me rather than a serious of assembly line instructions. Techniques and methods are just tools that can be used to achieve a particular result.
I can understand that when someone glances at my hastily painted table top standard minis and feel the need to offer the (unsolicited) advice “thin your head paints” - they’re full of it. Those paints had been sitting on a wet palette for too long, me only having 10 minutes here and there to paint, and everything was more or less glazed on. So I know that wasn’t the issue. The issue was brush control and having rushed every step. But the internet says “thin your paints”, and so clearly that’s universally applicable advice to paint jobs that you might find in any way lacking.
It’s probably a combination of people in general always wanting to be helpful in any way, even if they maybe don’t have anything helpful to add, and people wanting to feel good by showing that they know something that someone else might not.
Sometimes the common wisdom feels needlessly restrictive. Everyone keeps stating how impossible it is to paint yellow. But I’d say, at worst, it’s just tedious. And there are a million ways of doing it, and none very technically difficult. I love how the Painting Phase recently did a video on the subject showing sometime like ten different methods, all with good results. Pick a way to do it that suits you and your project.
You don’t have to do anything exactly the way the internet shouts at you to do it. Don’t drill your barrels. Layer up your yellow from a black undercoat. Don’t do a zenithal prime. Don’t thin your paints. What we, as a painting community, should be careful promoting when giving advice is an open mindedness about choices of techniques and never give advice without also stating what that advice is actually good for.
Otherwise we’re just trading memes back and forth, and while that can be fun, it’s probably not helpful to new or old painters.
For a different take look at small scale 6 or 10mm historical miniatures. Here it's about the overall unit so a different mindset is needed. Saying that it still has its painting metas 😂
Enjoyed watching / listening to this one whilst doing my black templars
I find it funny to compare the fixed attitude to the "right way" to paint minis to traditional art. Like if people went round writing "thin your paints" under a Turner painting or "needs more edge highlights" for a Monet
Hey, the Adepticon 2023 Youngblood gold didn’t drill his bolters, but his blends were super smooth…he said he put a lot of time into glazing the transitions…
I love the message guys, it's an attitude I've always taken into my painting, and I hate to see anyone discouraged due to the "painting meta." Also, I don't mind trying to learn OSL, painting gems, or NMM, and I've got plenty of time to paint but there's no way in hell I'm drilling any barrels any time soon 😂
If you don’t drill the barrels, then the bullets can’t come out! 😅
Don’t paint the bullets.
There are lots of people who have developed a very recognized way of painting. I think these actually influence my painting more now that whatever is the "trend". People like: Kaha, Craftworld, Emma Svensson, Tue, Christof Keil or others.
1:02:06 "eye lenses and gems... silver and then a _clear_ "
Can anyone help me clarify what's a "clear"? A varnish?
Its usually a glossy, thick, translucent coloured paint. Tamiya Clear Red is a good example.
@@cultofpaint many thanks
One of my feline roommates is helping me watch this episode. I'd rather have more bits than worry about a bottom panel for a tank.
For the mossy log diorama idea, have you considered calling it "Bilbo wearing the ring"?
I drill my barrels on Adeptus Titanicus titan defense weapons :D Got to be consistent!
Valrak don't drill his barrels either.
Can you guys add the links to the artists featured in this video?
its why paint comps like 'golden daemon' don't matter. there are trends and styles that come and go, typically its also a matter of luck picking the model and range and color that's in vogue that year. a great point was the NMM, its as if using metallics is shunned (which always blows my mind), despite the fact that metallics can be just as difficult to master and explore to greater depth., but nope NMM is this stupid silly standard meta benchmark, comp painting requires nmm.... but why?
hochland