Hey there. Aircraft have to be FL280 at ROLEX so he wanted him to go faster to meet that, for some reason he couldn't and could only make 250 knots. Hope you enjoyed.
At :27 controller says "Airborne is 132.575". Is that a European thing? I've got experience in 737-1,2,3,5,7,8, 727-1 and 2, DC-9/MD80 and A300B4 and I have never seen a VHF comm panel with 3 digits to the right of the decimal point.
The frequencies ending with xxx.x2 or xxx.x7 are sometimes called with additional 5 as the last digit so e.g. 117.725 or 121.575, I don't exactly know why. Maybe another safety reason to not mess up the numbers.
Thanks for the reply. I assume the frequency select panel in Europe will be different than the ones in North America in that they'll have 3 positions to the right of the decimal point?
I have a British PPL, but have flown mainly in the US during training. In the US frequencies were often abbreviated on the radio - both to two digits in cases like, this and in some cases the numbers in front of the decimal were also left out when obvious. This is however not as common in Europe, where the controllers will generally spell out the frequencies fully. The decimals are technically not needed, as there is never any doubt about which frequency is meant when they are abbreviated from 3 to 2 digits, so cockpit radios will sometimes only show 2 digits even though they support the 3 digit frequencies.
Basically a navigation checkpoint. "What are Navigation Fixes? Navigation fixes are intersections or points along airways (highways in the sky) and airport arrival/departure procedures. Fixes are given five letter names (like NOISE and WEEDY) to make them easy for pilots and air traffic controllers to reference. Who names navigation fixes in the U.S.? When airways or procedures are being designed or modified, local FAA facility employees often recommend fix names. The FAA’s Office of Aeronautical Information Management (AIM) checks the names to make sure they are unique, pronounceable, and not obscene or controversial. Air traffic controllers have a pretty vivid imagination and a great sense of humor. There are some really clever fix names out there. It’s a small part of what makes aviation interesting and fun."
Lazy controller with no respect for highly engineered short-field capable airliners like the Avro RJ - they don't get to pick-up which airplanes they would like to control.
It sounded like there were legal restrictions to the speed of the aircraft; I'd guess noise, although they were over the Irish Sea. The controller does not need to know the minutia of every aircraft; that's the pilot's responsibility. The controller seemed sympathetic, and the two were sharing a joke about the plane.
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You made a grammatical mistake in your post. 'Highly engineered' and 'Avro' appear in the same sentence, while they cancel eachother out.
@@icollectstories5702 Planes that have a lot of climb performance, or tight turning radius, or those capable of very slow flight make ATC's job easier. This is not the first time ATC has whined about a plane's performance!
Those Irish need to learn some professionalism. I’ve seen them before being unprofessional in a serious business. That’s Ryanair’s employment checklist for you.
Ryanair have nothing to do with ATC.The Avro pilot was instructed to be at 28,000 feet crossing waypoint ROLEX.As the Avro is jet powered and couldn't even make the instructed 280knots which even a propellor could manage the ATC said jokingly that the operator needed new aircraft.Pilot was probably told by airline to go easy on the engines.
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And the little engines can be heard nearly exploding in the background :-)
"Can't do, still won't meet the speed restriction"
"How 'bout you get some new planes!"
Poor Avro RJs
American ears: "rooted" vs "routed."🙂
Obviously, rooting your aircraft sounds risky.
Yeah i dont know where americans put the U in that.. but.. I personally find myself saying both lmao
The disorderly retreat suggested by a 'rout' would sound even worse!
I’m givin’ her all she’s got cap’n! - the poor little engines, probably.
"Can't wait" lol
a good traffic controller would have suggested FL270 at omega, FL260 at swatch or at least FL250 at seiko 🤣🤣
Ace Ventura: I JUST CANT DO IT CAPTAIN! I DOOONT HAVE THE POWERRRR!
Aaaand it took them 5 and a half years to finally retire the RJs.
Can you give a better explanation about the restriction they couldn't meet?
Hey there. Aircraft have to be FL280 at ROLEX so he wanted him to go faster to meet that, for some reason he couldn't and could only make 250 knots. Hope you enjoyed.
Ah I see. Weird that they cannot do it with four engines and pretty short haul :DD
+Dublin Aviation I'd say he was probably low enough that a faster speed would have caused him to hit ROLEX before he reached FL280.
Emmet That's what he said?
rkan2 He just said "for some reason". I'm just guessing what that reason is.
Sub'd here from Good Ole TX!
At :27 controller says "Airborne is 132.575". Is that a European thing? I've got experience in 737-1,2,3,5,7,8, 727-1 and 2, DC-9/MD80 and A300B4 and I have never seen a VHF comm panel with 3 digits to the right of the decimal point.
The frequencies ending with xxx.x2 or xxx.x7 are sometimes called with additional 5 as the last digit so e.g. 117.725 or 121.575, I don't exactly know why. Maybe another safety reason to not mess up the numbers.
we use 8.33khz spacing in Europe - 3 decimal places :)
Thanks for the reply. I assume the frequency select panel in Europe will be different than the ones in North America in that they'll have 3 positions to the right of the decimal point?
beerbrewer737 yup exactly - our 737 has exactly that :)
I have a British PPL, but have flown mainly in the US during training. In the US frequencies were often abbreviated on the radio - both to two digits in cases like, this and in some cases the numbers in front of the decimal were also left out when obvious. This is however not as common in Europe, where the controllers will generally spell out the frequencies fully. The decimals are technically not needed, as there is never any doubt about which frequency is meant when they are abbreviated from 3 to 2 digits, so cockpit radios will sometimes only show 2 digits even though they support the 3 digit frequencies.
Buy some audio volume!
Lol 🤣 Agreed 💯
lol LiveATC strikes again
Interesting choice of colors if you get what i mean
Rolex watch🤣🤣🤣🤣
What's ROLEX ? Not heard that before.
Paul Nic most likely a waypoint, they have odd names sometimes
well, one comment was correct. Name of way point, over the Irish Sea
Technically, all of the comments were correct. It's the name of a waypoint that happens to be named after an expensive brand of watches. :)
ROLEX = waypoint
Rolex = a Swiss watchmaker
Huge difference... ;)
Waypoint. Here's a map showing it: opennav.com/waypoint/UK/ROLEX
Anyone know what type of plane it was?
Drama Alert Entertainment Avro rj85
Whats at "ROLEX" mean?
Basically a navigation checkpoint.
"What are Navigation Fixes?
Navigation fixes are intersections or points along airways (highways in the sky) and airport arrival/departure procedures. Fixes are given five letter names (like NOISE and WEEDY) to make them easy for pilots and air traffic controllers to reference.
Who names navigation fixes in the U.S.?
When airways or procedures are being designed or modified, local FAA facility employees often recommend fix names. The FAA’s Office of Aeronautical Information Management (AIM) checks the names to make sure they are unique, pronounceable, and not obscene or controversial. Air traffic controllers have a pretty vivid imagination and a great sense of humor. There are some really clever fix names out there. It’s a small part of what makes aviation interesting and fun."
@@C0MPUTERPHILE Wow!...very interesting, I completely forgot that I had inquired about this. Thanks!
Rolex
What does PDC means?
Pre-Departure Clearance.
Programme Delivery Control... Oh.. That was video-recorders and teletext programming.. ;)
Lazy controller with no respect for highly engineered short-field capable airliners like the Avro RJ - they don't get to pick-up which airplanes they would like to control.
It sounded like there were legal restrictions to the speed of the aircraft; I'd guess noise, although they were over the Irish Sea. The controller does not need to know the minutia of every aircraft; that's the pilot's responsibility. The controller seemed sympathetic, and the two were sharing a joke about the plane.
You made a grammatical mistake in your post. 'Highly engineered' and 'Avro' appear in the same sentence, while they cancel eachother out.
@@icollectstories5702 Planes that have a lot of climb performance, or tight turning radius, or those capable of very slow flight make ATC's job easier. This is not the first time ATC has whined about a plane's performance!
Those Irish need to learn some professionalism. I’ve seen them before being unprofessional in a serious business. That’s Ryanair’s employment checklist for you.
Ryanair have nothing to do with ATC.The Avro pilot was instructed to be at 28,000 feet crossing waypoint ROLEX.As the Avro is jet powered and couldn't even make the instructed 280knots which even a propellor could manage the ATC said jokingly that the operator needed new aircraft.Pilot was probably told by airline to go easy on the engines.
You Britush need to be less arrogant.