Grecian Port PTMP Wireless Design
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- A quick PTMP design for the Kos Port in Greece.
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I am Dimitris :)
Thank you very much Chris !!!!
I would love to have you in Kos and do that great job together !!!!
Any plans to visit the island anyway ? You will love it :)
Greece is definitely on my bucket list of places to visit! Can't exactly leave the US currently though.
Dimitri, confirm the correct pronunciation of the surname is Hadjidimtris. Geia sas apo tin Nigeria
Hey Chris, if you need a hand with the install, happy to travel from Australia, it looks beautiful in Greece 😉
Great video Chris. I watch your videos like I watch a tv show. I get excited when a new episode is available. Keep up the great content. I would love to see a campground configuration in future episodes.
Hello, sorry for the translation, I had communicated with you by email for an IDENTICAL project and you could not help me because of the distance. When I saw this video it upset me. But I forgave you.
I just wanted to update and tell you that I solved my problem. Because of the trees, I initially opted for a 2.4Ghz PTMP system, but there was too much interference, the performance was poor.
I redid everything in 5Ghz. But since I didn't have line of sight with each station, I wired isolated stations with the nearest station.
It works fine now and I even added 4 camera protect. The signal is constant and no more cuts. The boat season is coming to an end but I will probably have other areas to cover next year.
Thank you and continue your videos, I do not miss one.
Chris, I do like these 'hypothetical' system designs you do in exotic / far reaching / hostile places, bit more exciting than out the back of a Walmart :-)
Hey Chris, thanks so much. Using this in formation and some other research, I was able to design the right system for our spread. Thank you so much. I used your equipment links to order but it doesn’t seem to be fair enough.
I’ll be buying you a beer or two.
Can we call a mesh design like this “Port Forwarding”
get out
Hahaaaaaaa 😄
would be super sick if the port owner put you up out there on a boat for a week or 2 to get this all set up. would be amazing
Kos is an amazing island Chris you must to come someday you have a lots of fams in Greece by the way
+1 if you are Greek or if you love Chris' videos!
δεν ξέρω ελληνικα
@@zackkast you can always communicate in english :)
You got some top notch consulting FOC from Chris right there! You lucky man Dimitri!
isn't the 5 pack missing the poe injectors ?
Easy to forget.
When you do lots of installs you tend to have have boxes of the things lying around from previous jobs so never tend to buy any.
I know I used to.
@@DEADB33F Heck, I've only done a few installs and I have a box full of them! :)
Yep, I was just about to put the same comment. Accordinng to their store "* 5 packs do not come with PoE injectors." But, a 5 pack of injectors is only $39.
There's that, and I was also wondering if buying one 5-pack + a 5-pack of injectors + 4 separate units would be cheaper in the end?
afaik the nanobeam ac gen2 has a poe-injector included and has a secondary port with poe-passthrough.
Dear Chris,
ThX for that very informative video. One gets a much better understanding of the capabilities of the devices when you see real examples.
There is one point that came to my mind but I have not checked that in advance myself
This is Europe and there are pretty big differences in legal channel use from country to country (outdoor and indoor differs e.g. in Germany) and legal output power. Your example uses 28dBm while there is a limitation (again in Germany) of 20dBm. (don't know in Greece) Since there a some geo coordinates the software you use might consider this
Furthermore - this is "harbor". so the use of radar is pretty common and might cause interference. But that's more a 5GHz issue
So very likely the setting switches to "Greek" according to the setting in the cloudKey, but that might effect the calcs
Anyway - thanks a lot and waiting for the next design!
Most wireless products across all manufacturers can adjust the maximum power output, either automatically or manually in the settings. They also try to pick frequency bands that can be used nearly everywhere, and/or have configurable channels, but one does always have to double check.
Love the video Chris.
Here are a few thing that have been a major consideration for me when I watch videos like this because I live outside the USA.
Shipping, it blows my mind that there can be free shipping anywhere in the continental USA but to ship it to a border town outside the states costs an arm and a leg, before duty. And you cant forget duty, which is a pain because how much is it, I have never been able to figure out the categories and how much different things cost.
Then there is the issue of the cost.
If I buy something outside the stated to avoid that headache it cost substantially more, not exchange rate more, just more. I am just thankful Ubiquity now has an online store for other countries, other than it seems to have limited stock, but Netgate does not. I think I paid somewhere around $300 for my netgate SG-1100 from netgate because I am outside the US. You break down and decide it has been long enough and you want it, then you look at the exchange, then you see shipping, then you get a phone call from UPS telling you how much duty is.
Anyways sorry about the rant, I realize the majority of your viewers are in the states. I only bring this up because the location is outside the US, and I will go back to living in my grumpy shipping and duty cost bubble and not bug people again.
Rant over
I added this to my "watch later" list, thinking Grecian port PTMP was some special architecture variant that I hadn't heard about before. I was not expecting an actual Grecian port.
Still watched it though, still interesting.
This is super brilliant, gave me an idea. thanks Chris and Dimitris!!
I would recommend a stainless steel enclosure instead of aluminum for a seaside deployment. @21:33
The enclosure that I picked is NEMA rated IP55 - they should be good for a long while. I had one of these directly in the elements on the Oregon Coast for 3 years or so, and it's still perfectly fine.
And not just any stainless, 316 grade stainless. The right grade of Aluminium will last a number of years in marine as long as it avoids spray of salt water because as soon as salt starts to form on that outer oxide layer it can corrode incredibly quickly. Generally a high deployment can avoid most of that spray but all it takes is a few storms with the wind in the right direction for that salt to build.
The yachties themselves will most likely have their own antennae's and systems as well. I used to bring my own when I worked on commercial ships.
A solid and good design Chris. If there is no way to get power from those light posts (I Assume that we would have the power from them), then maybe we need to use a solar panel on top and use a SunMax Solarswicth (since you are using the Nema box) and a Solar battery. Of course this will increase the price of the setup but as I mentioned if there is not a power source n those posts then this alternate power will do good. Also another question that I have is since you are using a cloud key why didn’t you use a UniFi security gateway or a gateway pro for your firewall? 🍻 Cheers and hopefully they hire you and go to Greece 🇬🇷
Why not use the NS-5AC vs the NBE-5AC? You can then just use one POE injector, enable PoE passthrough on the NS and plug right into the AP?
There's no need to use 2 power supplies and injectors at each site. With passive 24v which is a very crude system, you can easily modify a stock injector or wire your own single adaptor that feeds out passive PoE from both sockets.
Good video, really enjoyed it. I haven't done much PtMP so I'm always glad to watch some.
Off topic....Kos is a stunning place, it is one of our favourite places to visit on holiday. We were there last summer, our third time. We were going to visit another Greek islands, Rhodes, this summer but covid hit..😏
If a ship with enough height comes in, those directional beams down won't be supplying those receivers blocked with a network connection. The receivers must be a couple meters higher than the maximum allowed ship height size to come into port.
I don't think the specified height mentioned for the receivers is going to be enough to minimize interruptions.
On a busy day, this could result in a lot of dropped connections per day.
Great video, Chris. A prefect scenario for PtMP.
Would you would deploy this in a test environment before flying all the way to Greece to install?
How reliable is Ubiquiti's GPS Sync?
With high appreciations, I'm so happy with your work and efforts, I've learned a lot.
I want to share my Wi-Fi in a range of more than 1.5Km. I don't know much about nanostations.
My question is, configuring a nanostation as an AP, can smart devices be linked to it through Wi-Fi and have internet access?
Awesome video as always!. Could the boats connect to the Rocket 5AC Prism Gen2 directly by using BulletAC-IP67? Instead of having to have the extra bases and AP's. We have a similar setup we are thinking about doing.
Great video Chris (as always). Let me know if you are going and I don't mind helping you out (and going back to my homeland for a visit).
The mackerels got a lot more holier with this video haha
Very cool but I feel as if it is overkill for his needs. I'm not sure if that's fresh or salt water so that's something to keep in mind.
At the building he could use
2x LAP-GPS (sync'd 10ms) as the APs and an Edgerouter X SFP as the router/switch/poe as it has POE ethernet.
Then for the "STA"'s (on the light poles) he could toss a nanostation AC (full size, with POE passthrough enabled) and then a UAP-AC-M (the Mesh AP one) wired into the NSAC.
This would cost much less, but really depends as to what he wants to do, he didn't mention having anything because if he did he could even use M2 devices as the APs.
Whenever I've done airmax deployments over water I've experienced better connectivity, etc when the axis are flipped (vertical to horizontal, horizontal to vertical), the only issue doing so is that the equipment ports, etc, will be compromised due to water or any other environment situation.
Yes agreed. Signals at a low angle over water can suffer very badly from multipath propagation and rotated polarisation can help. Better still is to set back the central station antenna well back from the roof edge so the the front edge of the roof obscures the reflected path of beam on the water, and only the direct air line of sight is clear.
👍Hey Chris, I would love to see more videos like this, and sent you an email on 2nd July 22, with a map of our retirement village on the Gold Coast of Australia. Got the reply directing me to "...community discussions and help on various topics..." 🙃 Been a big while since the Grecian Port and after reading the comments I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one interested in you having a crack at this. Cheers
But will the power poles have constant power? They might be on a switched circuit with only power at night.
IT don’t think about how lights go on and off they only think there is power there 🤣
For an easy estimate from feet to meters: divide feet by 3. 18 feet is about 6 meter.
Great Video! Always learn something watching your vids.
After a week of this smoke, it would be a good escape!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the multi packs of APs don't come with the POE injectors, so they'd have to be factored into the cost as well right?
afaik the nanobeam ac gen2 has a poe-injector included and has a secondary port with poe-passthrough.
@@crazychatting I believe you're correct for the single pack, but for the multipacks, I believe you get just the AP
@@isaaclee-mort correct, the 5-pack for the AP Mesh Pro don´t come with poe-injectors - but we don´t need them anyways because the single AP Mesh Pro gets power from the poe-passthrough port from the NanoBeam (which is not available as a 5-pack) and comes always with a poe-injector included ;)
or am I completely wrong?
@@crazychatting yep, sorry, you're correct I believe I misread nano beam for something else, not sure what, but yeah, I'm pretty sure you're correct
how do you upload a google maps view in design????
Thanks a Lot for Share That Contant !!! Unfortunatly in Brazil this Prices Are Highest !!!
Hey, love your videos especially scene set-up like this 1. Question: why wouldn't you recommend the USG Router? Wouldn't it be nicer to have everything unifi? Thanks again Chris I didn't miss a video from you.
When would you choose the airMax NanoStation AC (NS-SAC-US) instead of the airMax NanoBeam AC (NBE-SAC-GEN2-US)?
When does it make sense to choose an omni directional antenna over the sectional ones you chose?
Great video. Very informative.
Can you pass vlans through a Nano Beam AC Gen 2?
Hey Chris, the 5 pack bundle is cheaper because they do not include the poe injectors
Hey Chris,
Why would you not use a USG or UDM as the firewall, would you not recommend using these? I’m implementing a unifi setup in my buisness currently should I not be using a UDM pro?
Can you just comment on what current day hardware you would use? Maybe the LTU-Rocket's with some LTU-Lite's, and then some U6 AP Lite or LR's? I'm looking at designing something similar, with 5 stations and APs attached to each.
I love your videos too.......
My question is about the PORT ! We can define the IP os every device but what's about the port ???
Hey there, Just a thought id provision for a few of the Nano Beam AC Gen 2's for vessels in the port mainly the larger ones. I work as a ETO on these vessels and is a normal setup quite often to put one on the mast for the time in the port. mainly for that large part of the Dock with no location for a WAP's as the larger vessels will most likely be in that area.
That looked awesome. Instead of 10 m-pros would a couple of basestaions work and provide 5Ghz coverage? Or is it just too far?
Beautiful design. I would try and throw UniFi BasestationXG with 802.3bt injector in to the mix to give 5Ghz coverage to that far side of the port. I'ts go 15dbi 50° antenna, so, I'd say it's worth a shot. Also, would you consider deploying ER-X if the office building (presumably theirs) were only a branch? That Netgate cost's about 8 to 10 times what ER-X cost's here in Czechia and I'm not convinced, that it is so much better, unless you really need advanced features.
Why would you not use a single pole style MTP antenna and only need one rocket? I did a setup similar to that, and it works just fine with Nanostations.
Ah, I need an enclosure like that for my current home. Need to see if there's an equivalent in the UK!
now with 3d printing we can achieve anything :) if it's not available... it's time to be built :)
I would love to see a new recommendation using Wifi 6 equipment please !!!!! I would buy the equipment from your affiliate link. Just let me know what to get... Thank you
Chris, how high would you mount the UAP AC-M pros?
Good morning. What would the best equipment be to send wifi from a poled AP to inside neighbours' houses. ???
You can passthru PoE with this combo and only use one PoE injector
Hi Chris,
Just curious, Why not just use the two Rocket AC PRISM with AM-5G20 antenna to provide wifi access?
Thank you.
The standard voltage in Greece is 230 V with a frequency of 50 Hz. Most visitors will then require a voltage converter, especially for Americans used to a 120 V standard.
Just wanted you to inform you on power there.
Kurt
Most laptops etc, switches and PoE injectors run from 90v-250v no problem, though of course that should be checked.
@Rosscoff2000 , no need to check, they do. U.K. user here, all they need to do for us over the U.K. is switch out the plug cable with a british one. The POE injectors work just fine out the box as well as any electronic equipment ever used. Manufacturers learnt many years ago that having power supplies that can do both while covering most of the world is far cheaper than making two product versions and being careful where they ship. Seeing as most of the world uses 220-240v 50hz it would be silly not to cover it in something that is sold in multiple countries.
@@backupplan6058 Sure, that's what I said, but I wasn't talking only about Ubiquiti or other modern electronic gear with switching supplies when I said it was still wise to check. Even nowadays plenty of US visitors still burn out things like hairdryers and other devices with mains motors, transformers or heaters in them when they take them abroad! LED lights using capacitative droppers also aren't built to cope with both supplies, and some higher power PC supplies still have a 120/230 switch.
So I'd say always best to check before moving a device from one supply standard to the other.
Hey Chris, I'm looking at doing a wireless bridge from building to building using ubiquity. (300ft) any recommendations on what ubiquity equipment to use? I have already got the main building ran with ubiquity ap's and switches running cloudkey. We need something with good throughput. I have been volunteering to help my church out with the network. They only had internet in 1 building and it was set up like a home network with 1 wireless router that only covered 1/4 of the church. I got that part worked out, now I'm tasked to get the youth building internet.... any help would be greatly appreciated.
How can I turn this to an out door router to cover large area
So mobile devices can connect at far distance with good signal
Hi Chris, I need to know if I should enable CALCULATE EIRP LIMIT on my ROCKET PRISM 5AC GEN2 | XC.V8.7.1
, thank you kindly.
I am set up as PTMP.
how did you get the google map into Design Center?
Would you be concerned about the Ships/Boats entering the harbor with Radar on? Would this interfere with the wireless?
you forgot the PoE injectors ;-) and since the 5 packs dont come with injectors (the singles ones do) I would go and buy 10 single ones (or not if you can get the injectors in 5 packs for a similar price)
Wouldn't you get a load of Radar interference?
I know the unif AC auto switch channel and send an alert of Radars detected.
Can you address
I love it
Do I need the Netgate SG-3100 or can I use my existing router?
Why Netgate + UniFi Switch 8-150W and not UniFi Dream Machine Pro? The Dream pro dont have switch POE, firewall, and DVR?
UDM-Pro doesn't have 24V passive PoE capability. And while it would be fine for a small business, I felt this deployment needed a more robust firewall in order to future proof the design - for instance, if they wanted to add a 2nd load balanced WAN connection.
@@CrosstalkSolutions Thanks for te anwser, do yout think the pfsense is more robust?
@@Dyno4Tech The UDM and UDM Pro are having all sorts of stability issues. I could see a USG Pro, but not a UDM Pro, not until the bugs are worked out.
@@Dyno4Tech definitely
The multi packs does that include PoE injectors?
They do not according to Ubiquitys website.
Ah - good point that I overlooked...those would have to be added in.
@@CrosstalkSolutions can happen to everyone, I learned this from one of your videos actually haha. I have gotten really interested in ubiquiti wail watching you vids, really amazing and cool products. Thanks for all the great videos
You should just use multi-hop wireless mesh links to save lots of money. I can just see Chris's whole head turning red at this... ;-)
Brilliant. The last hops in the mesh would have great performance, no?
mesh will reduce the bandwidth
I see my sarcasm was lost in translation.
This is weird. I wonder if it's someone who work at the local municipality and/or port. I doubt he can put access points on lamp poles like that. I'm sure the municipality would have to approve AP's being mounted on those poles. But awesome and interesting video!
Could be - I don't know, and I didn't ask...I just go off of what he told me.
How do you think the phone companies are installing 5G stations on lamp poles?
You ask the local authority how much they'd charge to rent space on the poles then negotiate a price.
Likewise for WISPs renting space on cell towers ...although it's often cheaper to rent some hilltop land off a farmer (or offer them free internet), then put up your own mast.
Why not use a USG?
18:48...You meant to say 80 MHz - not GHz - of bandwidth, right? 🤣
These solutions are great in theory but fail in practice. No thought of studying current RF environment at all. I've done simple PtMP and PtP with Ubiquiti 5 GHz and failed at getting a reliable link even over 10 metres in congested RF environment. Note: 60 GHz is good solution for point to point.
Buying 5 Packs is a good Idea, but you need to buy extra POE Injectors
:) love greece
You obviously know nothing about RF if you are saying shooting over water is good. RF Reflections are not good especially in areas that are tidal as the reflection points change constantly.
You use some PoE injecters that you do not get... ther is non in the 5 paks..
@18:43 I think you mean 80Mhz not 80Ghz..... 😂
Yes - typo.
80 Megahertz channel width...not GIGA :)
audio sync is out
Careful when buying pack of Unifi APs they usually don't include the POE injectors.
It's a great concept, but if its intended to provide reliable Wi-Fi to customers inside the boats which breaks LOS, you're going to have major issues. That is at least my experience.
The boats would have the capability to add a NanoBeam on the outside and route the signal to an AP on the inside just like we're doing on the light poles. Could be an extra paid service to offer the yachts a rental network kit + installation services.
@@CrosstalkSolutions That makes the most sense to me and it's how I set up a deployment or two in situations like this. The problem is interpreting what the project customer and their customer's expectations are based on that email (hopefully I did not misread). The coverage will be there, it's just getting the customer to understand why they need the nanobeam+AP on the boat and the science behind it rather than "clicking on the Wi-Fi button and hitting connect". Support is the biggest hurdle in setups like this because you have to then take on running a mini-wisp and ether the project customer or yourself has to take on the support. I also find people with smaller boats live, in shall we say, a relatively low budget. It entirely depends on the market and whether you’re going to have those customers that are resistant to your deployment style and downright rude that they can't just "connect". Not a project that I would take on, but I am sure someone is out there willing to do it!
You thing a boat 300K and more dont have one app with antenna outside to connect to Hotpoints?
@@Dyno4Tech Entirely depends on the market. I have worked in both “5-Star” marinas/port areas with affluent clientele and less affluent marinas & clientele. Not all boats are 300k if not just live-aboard scrapheaps to avoid paying extremely high rent. I do not want to speculate the market and my go to would be to assume it is a mix of both. Supporting those you have to rent/sell hardware too is a pain that many choose to avoid. Once again to drive the point home, the design must be market based to satisfy the specific clientele this port would have, and to that point if your selling NanoBeam+AP be prepared to offer some sort of support solution for those less adept.
@@Dyno4Tech You never know. I just sold a coach that was $300k new, and I did not have any sort of wireless setup in it, even though I had it 4 years and I've been in IT since the 80s. But a little trailer next to me that was $25k might have a very elaborate wifi setup. I've found that my little $50 Hootoo travel router works in almost every situation, and when I need to be on LTE I use an AT&T Mobley that I pay $20 a month for with unlimited service (of course they can start throttling after 22 gig, but I have only seen that happen once) that's connected via USB to an Asus router running Tomato firmware. My new little travel trailer has a Wifi Ranger built in, and it is pretty crappy so I keep using the Hootoo.
Hello, I hope you are well, my name is Salim I live in Democratic Republic of Congo please help me, I am about to start an internet service provider business, I wanted to ask you make a video on the ptmp configuration of a sectorial antenna which is connected to a router. So configure a sectoral antenna in Ptmp and configure the router side thank you very much and good luck boss.
I thinks he means metric..
Are you still in business? I sent you an email last week.
Yes - we are very much still in business. But, if you're emailing us to just ask a question, we will typically refer you over to our Discord server.
@@CrosstalkSolutions Never got a response. It was a pre-sale question.
Δημήτρη αν βλέπεις αυτό το σχόλιο επικοινώνησε μαζί μας αν θες βοήθεια!
Bored in port? And in the port bored
INDONESIA...
"Grecian"? The word does not exist... "Grrek" would be the correct word...
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Grecian
Or better... Greeks...
1st thing you are in US so you love feets..but meter is common measurement of length outside US..
2nd thing listen people..this guy though he claims to be wireless internet expert doesnot know beaming over water is not that great... there will be signals losses if you are beam over water for long distances...moon rotation will cripple your internet....This guy is not that expert as i used to believe him..His solutions are way expensive...see i am from Nepal..and i have install my wireless internet myself at just $30...2nd hand equipments also works well...so solely donot believe whatever this guy says....he always want people to be A great to have internet connection..He shows equipment which are way expensive for a normal person to buy..but believe me...it is not so expensive...i donot know whether this guy is a sell agent of ubiquiti or what...
“For a normal person” this is a commercial deployment not someone who wants Wi-fi in their bedroom for their PlayStation. I have done home installations with Unifi due to the quality of the equipment, ease of expansion and reliability. Second hand is great if you want cheap and willing to take the risk it could fail at any time but in mission critical deployments or you want high end customers who want an install and forget deployment you can’t ask for better. If you think the equipment is too expensive than you clearly are not the target customer or someone who needs to watch this channel.
@@backupplan6058 oh..you got offended..I had installed nanostation loco m5 on my own..so don't you dare to teach me..i am not some random person with half knowledge on internet...I know what i am doing..and you pin sized heart person..can't i ask you a question..if someone disagree with you, you sent threatening comment..don't watch our channel this, that..From when youtube became public to private property of yours....Hey you come to my place we will show you how good we are with 2nd hand devices...what high end...your high would have come or build for midcore people, forget people of asian country...forget community about internet...I don't believe any big company will go on using your high end wireless device leaving behind fiber technology...so shame on your useless high end devices that doesnot reach rural places..Taking about this channel..it is a total trash where people with different thought is openly threatned not to watch the channel...i will watch and i will comment where i feel to ask or say something..who are you giving me direction..Are you associated with this channel financially? Are you the watchman of this channel? Who are you?
@t h . ??? Think the only one offended is you. When you start using complete sentences that make sense rather that rambling on for a few words only to put “...” and then go of on a tangent get back to me for an adult conversation. At the moment it reads like someone got very upset. “I had installed a nanostation loco m5 on my own” congratulations 🥳 you are someone semi competent who can read instructions. Never realised one M5 instalment made you an expert on all of Ubiquiti. To mention only that lets me know you have just about as much knowledge on this as someone who watched a few UA-cam videos and now thinks they are an expert, no one in this industry brags about one M5 install. To suggest that because I disagree with your “expert” opinions that I’m linked to Chris and this channel in some way is a desperate attempt to discredit me. I don’t even live in the same country, my opinion is based on hundreds of deployments with over two decades of experience in this field and a incredible successful business even in these troubled times. What’s your experience beyond one M5 install and a $30 home install using second hand equipment? Not much given what you have used as shining examples so far.
@@backupplan6058 Is that a savage replay? Please try you can do better. By the way my english is fine, it is even better than your's. I have installed loco m5 went through several issues like weather, lighting strike, signal noise, season change affecting the network, and many other issues and so on. So i am not here or i need not to show you my qualifications that how good i am. I am not disagraceeing with your 'Guru' Chris or you. I am talking about something here and if you failed to understand me, that is your problem. I have said nothing personal or offensive to you. So sorry please have some respect for me. Bye not going to reply anymore.
@t h , “by the way my English is fine, it is even better that your’s”, it yours by the way, no need for an apostrophe but sure why not. It’s not as if up until now you didn’t use one complete sentence, correct grammar or just called a reply a “replay” but sure you clearly have the better English and clearly know so much more than me and Chris with your one M5 that suffered “weather”, we have never experienced something such a terrible thing as “weather”. I mean if your one M5 deployment suffered so many issues I do question the person who installed it doing it correctly with adequate protection or knowledge of setting it up.