unrelated to the portable nature of the setup, but your insight on the landing page, external DNS filtering config, and the tip about switching to legacy to push changes is going to save my butt configuring a network for my church
Yes, no resale of Starlink, however, you can give free internet access without breaking their ToS, but, perhaps take donations OR, offer free internet if they buy a $5 sticker. Got to be creative.
On omada (tp-links business system) you can create vouchers so yea sell a picture with a 6 digit code ?? Omada doesn't seem to have the option for online payments like unify does
Absolutely NOT. ISP’s have zealous attorneys that will disclose your scheme to a court and you will lose. If you have any financial gain, direct or indirectly, they will come after you for money. There is a federal law protecting ISP’s from revenue loss, whether they serve a market or not.
I would also add a raspberry pi running pihole with recursive DNS lookup/cache. So less bandwidth being used for DNS lookup's through your connection. Sure, DNS lookups is tiny, but when your talking about a small setup like this and optimizing the best performance for the most users, every little bit counts... Also to optimize the battery, I would check the output voltage of the brick and if the battery has a DC to DC connection for PD-USBC connection, then find or make a cable to supply power to your PoE switch from the DC ports of your battery. You are getting a significant lose converting battery DC to AC and going to a brick to go back to DC again... Doing DC to DC, you will not get lose due to the conversion back and forth. This would extend your battery usage time.
Chris, such a cool video, thanks for sharing! I love ideas like this. This summer I got the Gen. 2 dish with the RV subscription and backpacked it into a remote area with my family along with a small Jackery battery and solar panel. My wife's family thought it was silly at first, but by the end of the 5-day trip everyone had connected at one point or another 😆. It worked incredibly well! I was thinking of other applications and your video here rebooted my interest in trying to come up with my own similar project. Thanks for the inspiration and awesome videos!
Nice idea! Thanks for the share! If you have a USG laying around (I bet you do) you could power that off of the 12vdc port on the Eco Flow Delta and ditch the EdgeRouter. You could also get a POE power splitter, POE Texas has some options, to power the USG off of POE as well. They also have POE Pi-Hats so you could add a Raspberry Pi and Pi-Hole to the mix! Looking forward to future videos on this idea/project; think internet "go-bag"...
I think it;s amazing that you tube pushes your videos to 75% new viewers. Every tuber thinks 'we' continually watch yet haven't subscribed. Quilting viewers for watching and not being of the subscribed variety is one way, welcoming new viewers is another approach, arguable softer and better. Thoughts to ponder. Just an alternative view. I've been subscribed for years.
Wouldn't the device anonymization built into android (and presumably ios) which randomizes the mac address allow someone to exploit the free trial indefinitely?
From what I can tell at less on android. It would just use the anonymize address, and doesn't change the MAC address, that it use unless you on that settings on.
Great Video. Thanks once again. 😊 I was just thinking, in the case of Music Festivals in the middle of nowhere, they are usually situated in relatively flat locations, which usually end up being in a valley, often with no Cell coverage. In cases like this, would you be able to setup your “network-in-a-box” unit on top of a nearby hill or mountain (where you may be able to pick up a good LTE, or 5G cell signal, removing the need for a Starlink service) and then use a large WiFi antenna to beam the WiFi signal down into the Music Festival’s location. I understand that some of those panel type WiFi antennas can work up to 15 KMs, line of sight. Or would your customers then have trouble getting their signal back to an antenna like that, over that type of distance? It’s just my daughter was at a Music Festival like this recently, where the organizers where selling WiFi for 5$ for 5 minutes (daylight robbery!!!), and apparently, they were doing a roaring trade, as there was no other option. So, I’m sure they would have issues if someone came in and undercut their WiFi costs, so being off site would probably also make life much simpler for running a project like this. 😉
I actually had an idea very similar to this, if not on the spot, where I would take my gaming setup and head to my parents rural area. I would then slap a nanostation on their house and then go into a field, with permission of course, and just play games, such as phasmophobia, in the dark in a screen tent. It's an interesting concept indeed!
Hello! Thank you for this video, it answers many questions for me. Would you be available for a paid consultation? I run an aid organization that uses starlinks and we need some advice & help. Happy to pay you handsomely for your time.
Mikrotik will be answer for more robust applications like these we use them in remote locations on our towers and they work great maybe something like the rb750 powerbox would do the trick but setting up the Hotspot is a bit more tricky but once done runs great we have a similar setup in a resort using cambium AP's and mikrotik routers running the Hotspot manager works perfect
I like this UBNT application filter to block peer to peer, but don’t need other functions in hardware. Does any vendor sell a low cost firewall that can do same bit torrent blocking?
Got a question hope u reply What if you make use of a base box 2 with sector antenna to cover large area Will that be much better Or use ubiquiti ap and bigger antenna to cover the are with internet connection Please reply 🙏
Love this! I have done this with a Ubiquiti Dream Router, built in POE and Wifi6 AP and its more compact. Just another approach, keep up the amazing work! BTW Amazing Unifi UFO AP, I need one 😁 - Jesse
I was also wondering, could we use extra “UAP Mesh access Points” to extend this network wirelessly? If these could be dotted around the festival/camp ground, within range of the Network-in-a-Box, or each other, hopefully this could extend the range of the WiFi signal over a much bigger area, and give much better coverage. If so, could these “UAP Mesh access Points” be powered remotely by battery, as well as a small solar panel, to recharge the battery during the day? I was just thinking about a small lockable battery box (which could also be used as a base), which would then have a pole attached to it. The pole would have a “UAP Mesh access Point” mounted to the top of the pole (out of people’s reach, and to also enhance coverage), as well as (hopefully) a small solar panel to charge up the battery during the day. If you think this would be doable, it would be great to see what sort of setup you could come up with for this, as well as the possible power/battery and solar panel size and options which could be used for it.
Each hop on the Mesh network effectively more than halves the bandwidth because Wireless communication is half-duplex and a shared medium. Half-duplex meaning a device can either transmit or receive, but not both at the same time. Shared medium meaning only a small number of devices can transmit or receive at the same time on the same channel. From another Crosstalk Solutions video about fixing wifi at his friend's house, all Mesh APs need to be on the same channel, so each additional Mesh point will congest the channel further. If it takes 2 hops from the origin, you've decreased that Mesh AP's bandwidth to 1/4 of the rated bandwidth, which is still 1.2 Gbps. But that still needs to wait its turn to transfer to the 1st hop, and that 1st hop needs to wait its turn to transfer to the original AP. If there are 500 clients on the network uploading photos, that will slow things down quite a bit for people. Maybe setting up some point-to-point bridges with Unifi Building Bridge and connecting them to Access Points would be better. Each Access Point could run on a different channel, so there isn't as much waiting for the channel to clear up. There's no processing to figure out which hops are the best to use for the Mesh points, instead it's AP Ethernet to Building Bridge Over the Air to Other Building Bridge Ethernet to Switch Ethernet to Router every time.
Ubiquiti nanostation loco AC's, or M5's, or M2's. AC's can do 655 mbps ptp symmetrical. Both the M5's and M2's have only 100 mbps LAN ports, so that's really the max. All these can also do PTMP but have only a 45 degree beamwidth, though at 700ft, you could literally put the radios in a box pointed at the ground and they would lock up with each other. I've done this 100's of times. They are amazing radios.
@@Farmboy1927 yup - go with an AC series pair... nanobeam ac gen2 or litebeam ac gen 2 - both will have a max capacity of 656 mbps symmetrical. If you can get clear LOS, a pair of gigabeam 60's will give you over 1 gbps symmetrical over the 60 ghz radio and a backup 5 ghz radio at 655 mbps if the 60 fails/losses connection.
I live in Mozambique Africa, internet here is really expensive, waiting for Starlink to come here so I can give Internet to my neighbors and community.
Chris, Thank you so much for this video... this really helps me for future and guest public use in near future... I do hope you cover more and more technical on Ubiquiti products capabilities and technical features & functions. In the video of yours and also my own searched, On the payment gateway, theres not much provider outside from US, Canada, UK and Europe, How about payment gateway for Asian region? any suggestion or idea to go about it? once again thank you...
Routing all guest traffic through VPN should protect you from being visible at the ISP side on the type of traffic and other profiling except traffic volume & throughput profiling, which I am not sure most are doing.
For the free trial package, if I connect to this network and choose free trial and use it up, disconnect and reconnect with privatised MAC, can I use the free trial again?
Nice video. Something to consider, it might be a good idea to lower the dhcp lease time. Having the default 24 hour lease for a 10 minute or 4 hour session might become a problem during the day. Also DNS filtering will not work if someone is using DNS-over-https.
I doubt it. Your captive portal and pay stuff is behind your firewall/ router. I'd imagine if you have users bandwidth throttled down and good DNS filtering, you wouldn't stick out at all.
This was a super cool little implementation. Really well thought out. I'm curious how well you think 50-150 people would fare on Starlink simultaneously, though. If you actually did take it to a campground, what are 150 people's experience? I guess limiting streaming prevents bandwidth hogging to some extent, but wonder if Twitch, Facebook Video, or UA-cam should also be on the blocklist.
Thanks! Typically, I wouldn't expect that many simultaneous folks to be using a setup like this. I imagine people would be using it in smaller chunks - perhaps up to 100 per day, but not all at the same time, so the concurrent usage would be minimal. That being said, if you did need to account for 100-150 concurrent users, this would likely not be enough to handle that kind of capacity...you'd have to plan for more of everything (Internet/network/power/etc.).
@@CrosstalkSolutions Two things you didn't address is density. You will have a lot more than hundred people buying connectivity at a festival with over 10K in attendance! The iPhone password sharing is another headache regarding this solution. Please let me know how you would address these issues?
@@prominencetechnologyconsul2436 It's not password based - It blocks/allows based on MAC address - Which while it's possible to edit, is far beyond the scope of what most people would do
Have the UDR and personally can't see this being great for something like this unless you take it out of the box you carry it in. Granted I'm sure it would do the job but that many people running through that thing would cause some issues. Feel like you could easily configure this whole thing into a travel pelican with a udmSE. Feel like that would be a huge business 🤔 hmmm I may have just got an idea lol
Still Paypal ist not working. Only creditcards through paypal. 😡 Anyone any solution on how to solve this? Even with a third party captive portal? Is there any easy solution?
Btw I asked Starlink support directly if resale is permitted on any level of account and they said no and quoted two sections of the terms of use policy.
i mean you just do it, what are they gonna do ? its not illegal after all, i think of it as buying something in bulk and sell it in small qty to others
Please don't encourage people to do this. We do temporary networks for events and mission critical services. We manage everything from ticketing, Payment systems, emergency services communications, general operations cloud services, CCTV, iot sensors for water tanks etc. Last thing we need is people rolling in and nuking 160mhz channels at full power. It's tough enough managing around 3-4000 clients with sparse low bit rate coverage. Channel planning on our access layers with everyone else that requires Rf. From lighting to sound and media teams that bring their own kit. Not to mention every knob with a drone that flys through ptp links. At the end of the day if you are going to operate a network on an event site please liaise with the operator to get permission and make sure you work into their RF plan. We have seen a spike with starlink coming out. These are usually private sites and if it impacts emergency services it's likely you may start getting deauthed.
Do not try to make a business out of this side hustle. I know someone who tried it using Krumcost and their zealous attorneys demanded a 6-figure settlement or law suit. The penalty is reimbursement of potential lost revenue. Most people don’t know there is a Federal law prohibiting resale and any scheme that gives you financial gain will backfire. For academic purposes, this is an excellent tutorial. Kudos to Chris, but don’t use it to make money.
Love my UDR. Don't think I've ever had it lock up, but I do have to refresh sometimes when trying to view camera stuff. I guess you could do like they mention below and sell a 4 or 24 hour membership to the Crosstalk Club, which includes free internet provided by Starlink. heh. I'm just trying to think of where I've been lately and had no wifi and no cell service. Would be a very niche use case for this sort of thing strictly based on location.
I'm skeptical about the viability of 150 users over three days usage, even if not all users are concurrent, to use the available bandwidth of the Starlink RV plan. With the RV plan expected downloads are 5-50 mbps and uploads are 2-10 mbps, I think over saturation would occur at far lower connected users levels. It's an intriguing idea and a great way to help out in a disaster, I'll give ya that. The bandwidth mitigation, safe website DNS blockers, and application layers filters are clever and needed solutions to safeguard against any liabilities and to help protect users from potential malicious internet activity. I think the upfront costs are too high for a good ROI as general business idea but if you already have it on hand, it could supplement the cost of owning it. Although, as you and others have stated, it's against the terms of service from Starlink to resell their service.
Can't resell the service... What a joke. Imagine making the most connected network setup solution in the world anywhere and saying you can't use it for busniess related wifi access.
this is all fine though reality is you aren't going to be hosting the events capacity on sat/air fiber/5g/4g-lte-a connection looking at my entire home network I have come to the conclusion that wireless whilst practical in its use doesn't have the capacity in hosting more than 12 devices though hosting for 100+ devices is going to cause an issue on data throughput and that is with capping people to 15mbps or less Unless you have a commercial service and a commercial license for internet i wouldn't try and use something meant for domestic service as commercial product as it will be against the TOS of the provider... yes you can do it however the caveat be careful what you wish for because you have limitation in your service contract
So, if the box is stolen you have no video of who stole it. If someone was to do this you would want a camera that records to the cloud. Even better advice... Do not re sell internet.
Some notes from my professional experience doing similar: a) Reselling Starlink is against the T&C's - sure, you can do it, but if they catch you, you're done and potentially liable. b) you can mount the gear in a completely weather proof enclosure that is mountable and lockable ($25 to $150 off amazon), as I'm sure you know (the tote is weak IMHO). c) Couple a few 300W PV panels, AGM 200 AH batteries, and do it all DC to increase electrical efficiency (would need bigger enclosure, or added battery enclosure, and use DC powered network gear). the Ecoflow Delta is stupid expensive and you lose efficiency on AC conversion. d) add a cell-based backup **with a booster** (Verizon LTE/5G plan, which is mobile, but again breaks T's & C's though possible to do) as either load-balanced or failover as well as cell coverage for customers, as long as you can find at least -125 dBm of cell signal - the Cel Fi Go X is a great booster for just this. e) that mesh AP will not hold 100 devices connected - especially if those devices are moving away from the AP, unless you use RSSI mins (lots of AP tweaks needed to make this work well). f) why subject yourself to using only 1 power outlet for the PoE switch - you could easily add a USG3 as the firewall and get all the bells and whistles you can't get with the ERx (including 2 WANs) and add only a bit of wattage, and use a better DNS service that's more flexible and secure / able to block whatever you want. g) if you make changes to captive portal under new interface, make 1 change at a time, save, go back. h) most importantly - as a business, you can simply contact the festival promoter and work out being an Internet vendor, including for the performers / merchants and make even more $. An easy way to figure out your back haul is to work with a master agent company as a sub-agent and resell the circuit (even if you have to PTP it onto the festival from a neighboring location) and *know* you have a solid, supported, resellable backbone - especially vendors who can also add SASE or SD-WAN to the backbone to offload the security onto their network and provide portability so you can go on tour, have fun, and make money, re-use that connection at your office/home/or on the go. Interesting as a side-hustle, but could be way more professional and could really provide festivals, camps, etc. with real Internet connectivity and make real cash year after year. A festival with "10,000" people are not going to be supportable off a Starlink dish, and LTE connection, or some basic set up like this, unless you're doing it out of the trunk of your car. And, if you're going to the festical to enjoy the festival, WTF are you doing acting as a WISP for the weekend???
They now have Starlink Business which Internet broadband companies can use for reselling to their customers, mainly as backup or to complement existing services.
lol. I dont even have starlink and i get the internet hate. I think it is a symptom of the beast not because of starlink, but we need more data to verify....
unrelated to the portable nature of the setup, but your insight on the landing page, external DNS filtering config, and the tip about switching to legacy to push changes is going to save my butt configuring a network for my church
Yes, no resale of Starlink, however, you can give free internet access without breaking their ToS, but, perhaps take donations OR, offer free internet if they buy a $5 sticker. Got to be creative.
This is the way
On omada (tp-links business system) you can create vouchers so yea sell a picture with a 6 digit code ??
Omada doesn't seem to have the option for online payments like unify does
Absolutely NOT. ISP’s have zealous attorneys that will disclose your scheme to a court and you will lose. If you have any financial gain, direct or indirectly, they will come after you for money. There is a federal law protecting ISP’s from revenue loss, whether they serve a market or not.
Use it in voucher mode, sell voucher codes for cash with no paper trail.
@@johnpoldo8817 people have resold starlink on a mass-scale, and the only implementation to fix it by starlink was the data caps
I would also add a raspberry pi running pihole with recursive DNS lookup/cache. So less bandwidth being used for DNS lookup's through your connection. Sure, DNS lookups is tiny, but when your talking about a small setup like this and optimizing the best performance for the most users, every little bit counts...
Also to optimize the battery, I would check the output voltage of the brick and if the battery has a DC to DC connection for PD-USBC connection, then find or make a cable to supply power to your PoE switch from the DC ports of your battery. You are getting a significant lose converting battery DC to AC and going to a brick to go back to DC again... Doing DC to DC, you will not get lose due to the conversion back and forth. This would extend your battery usage time.
Chris, such a cool video, thanks for sharing! I love ideas like this. This summer I got the Gen. 2 dish with the RV subscription and backpacked it into a remote area with my family along with a small Jackery battery and solar panel. My wife's family thought it was silly at first, but by the end of the 5-day trip everyone had connected at one point or another 😆. It worked incredibly well! I was thinking of other applications and your video here rebooted my interest in trying to come up with my own similar project. Thanks for the inspiration and awesome videos!
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Nice idea! Thanks for the share! If you have a USG laying around (I bet you do) you could power that off of the 12vdc port on the Eco Flow Delta and ditch the EdgeRouter. You could also get a POE power splitter, POE Texas has some options, to power the USG off of POE as well. They also have POE Pi-Hats so you could add a Raspberry Pi and Pi-Hole to the mix! Looking forward to future videos on this idea/project; think internet "go-bag"...
I think it;s amazing that you tube pushes your videos to 75% new viewers.
Every tuber thinks 'we' continually watch yet haven't subscribed.
Quilting viewers for watching and not being of the subscribed variety is one way, welcoming new viewers is another approach, arguable softer and better. Thoughts to ponder.
Just an alternative view. I've been subscribed for years.
I'm curious how Mac address randomization on the customer's phone might interfere with their connectivity.
Wouldn't the device anonymization built into android (and presumably ios) which randomizes the mac address allow someone to exploit the free trial indefinitely?
From what I can tell at less on android. It would just use the anonymize address, and doesn't change the MAC address, that it use unless you on that settings on.
On iOS the MAC address randomization turns off when you connect to a network. I wonder if the same is true on android
I am more curious about what music festival you attended? Are you a Burning man festival type, or more enchanted forest style? ...
Doesn't iPhone's "Random MAC every time you connect" sorta bypass the "free trial" limit?
Yes, it works on some airline Wi-Fi too.
Great Video. Thanks once again. 😊
I was just thinking, in the case of Music Festivals in the middle of nowhere, they are usually situated in relatively flat locations, which usually end up being in a valley, often with no Cell coverage.
In cases like this, would you be able to setup your “network-in-a-box” unit on top of a nearby hill or mountain (where you may be able to pick up a good LTE, or 5G cell signal, removing the need for a Starlink service) and then use a large WiFi antenna to beam the WiFi signal down into the Music Festival’s location. I understand that some of those panel type WiFi antennas can work up to 15 KMs, line of sight. Or would your customers then have trouble getting their signal back to an antenna like that, over that type of distance?
It’s just my daughter was at a Music Festival like this recently, where the organizers where selling WiFi for 5$ for 5 minutes (daylight robbery!!!), and apparently, they were doing a roaring trade, as there was no other option. So, I’m sure they would have issues if someone came in and undercut their WiFi costs, so being off site would probably also make life much simpler for running a project like this. 😉
I actually had an idea very similar to this, if not on the spot, where I would take my gaming setup and head to my parents rural area. I would then slap a nanostation on their house and then go into a field, with permission of course, and just play games, such as phasmophobia, in the dark in a screen tent. It's an interesting concept indeed!
Hello! Thank you for this video, it answers many questions for me. Would you be available for a paid consultation? I run an aid organization that uses starlinks and we need some advice & help. Happy to pay you handsomely for your time.
Thanks Chris! Always so informative, and timely!
Drop in a transparent caching proxy and charge for the caching and network in a box with DPI, the startlink is loaned without charge in your own TOS.
Mikrotik will be answer for more robust applications like these we use them in remote locations on our towers and they work great maybe something like the rb750 powerbox would do the trick but setting up the Hotspot is a bit more tricky but once done runs great we have a similar setup in a resort using cambium AP's and mikrotik routers running the Hotspot manager works perfect
I like this UBNT application filter to block peer to peer, but don’t need other functions in hardware. Does any vendor sell a low cost firewall that can do same bit torrent blocking?
Great video love it. Quite question for you. If you were to make this build today what equipment would you use let's just say on a beach?
Latest version of unifi still hasn't resolved credit card processing issue for a paid portal. Bummer :(
@crosstalk solutions, can’t any device just enable private Wi-Fi addresses and essentially get an unlimited free trial?
I've done this on airline Wi-Fi lol.
Got a question hope u reply
What if you make use of a base box 2 with sector antenna to cover large area
Will that be much better
Or use ubiquiti ap and bigger antenna to cover the are with internet connection
Please reply 🙏
But far as I know you can limit bandwidth for streaming services in Edgerouter X... We used it and limit streaming to 320/320 kbit
You should definitely do the same video but with Tp-link Omada line of gear!
How many people can a bandwidth of 100 Mbps serve simultaneously?
is there a way to reduce the amount of devices involved even more and their respective power consumption.
Where there’s a will, there’s a way…
Love this! I have done this with a Ubiquiti Dream Router, built in POE and Wifi6 AP and its more compact. Just another approach, keep up the amazing work! BTW Amazing Unifi UFO AP, I need one 😁 - Jesse
Derp. I commented before getting to 20:00 where you mention the UDR setup. My bad!
Any of this payment services supports Apple Pay?
How could you support that kind of traffic though on such a limited connection? Seems like everyone would have a miserable slow experience.
I was also wondering, could we use extra “UAP Mesh access Points” to extend this network wirelessly? If these could be dotted around the festival/camp ground, within range of the Network-in-a-Box, or each other, hopefully this could extend the range of the WiFi signal over a much bigger area, and give much better coverage.
If so, could these “UAP Mesh access Points” be powered remotely by battery, as well as a small solar panel, to recharge the battery during the day? I was just thinking about a small lockable battery box (which could also be used as a base), which would then have a pole attached to it. The pole would have a “UAP Mesh access Point” mounted to the top of the pole (out of people’s reach, and to also enhance coverage), as well as (hopefully) a small solar panel to charge up the battery during the day.
If you think this would be doable, it would be great to see what sort of setup you could come up with for this, as well as the possible power/battery and solar panel size and options which could be used for it.
Each hop on the Mesh network effectively more than halves the bandwidth because Wireless communication is half-duplex and a shared medium.
Half-duplex meaning a device can either transmit or receive, but not both at the same time. Shared medium meaning only a small number of devices can transmit or receive at the same time on the same channel. From another Crosstalk Solutions video about fixing wifi at his friend's house, all Mesh APs need to be on the same channel, so each additional Mesh point will congest the channel further.
If it takes 2 hops from the origin, you've decreased that Mesh AP's bandwidth to 1/4 of the rated bandwidth, which is still 1.2 Gbps. But that still needs to wait its turn to transfer to the 1st hop, and that 1st hop needs to wait its turn to transfer to the original AP. If there are 500 clients on the network uploading photos, that will slow things down quite a bit for people.
Maybe setting up some point-to-point bridges with Unifi Building Bridge and connecting them to Access Points would be better. Each Access Point could run on a different channel, so there isn't as much waiting for the channel to clear up. There's no processing to figure out which hops are the best to use for the Mesh points, instead it's AP Ethernet to Building Bridge Over the Air to Other Building Bridge Ethernet to Switch Ethernet to Router every time.
Keeping an eye on the setup with the camera that hooks up to that exact setup is... uh... Better to install a dummy in this case.
What Ptp solution would you use for a 700ft connection
Ubiquity has some options, like the airmax powerbeam. If it's unobstructed LOS and the required bandwidth is reasonable, then 700ft is easy.
Ubiquiti nanostation loco AC's, or M5's, or M2's. AC's can do 655 mbps ptp symmetrical. Both the M5's and M2's have only 100 mbps LAN ports, so that's really the max. All these can also do PTMP but have only a 45 degree beamwidth, though at 700ft, you could literally put the radios in a box pointed at the ground and they would lock up with each other. I've done this 100's of times. They are amazing radios.
@@seanzigmund858 I've tried with M2 loco's and didn't get the bandwidth I was looking for. I'll have to step it up
@@Farmboy1927 yup - go with an AC series pair... nanobeam ac gen2 or litebeam ac gen 2 - both will have a max capacity of 656 mbps symmetrical. If you can get clear LOS, a pair of gigabeam 60's will give you over 1 gbps symmetrical over the 60 ghz radio and a backup 5 ghz radio at 655 mbps if the 60 fails/losses connection.
Since the UAP-AC-M has been sold out for months, what's another option for a weatherproof Unifi access point?
The uap ac pros are another option
@@Jiggs224u Unfortunately the uap-ac-pro doesn't seem to be as weather resistant as the uap-ac-m.
I live in Mozambique Africa, internet here is really expensive, waiting for Starlink to come here so I can give Internet to my neighbors and community.
Thanks. Lots of useful information!
Chris, Thank you so much for this video... this really helps me for future and guest public use in near future... I do hope you cover more and more technical on Ubiquiti products capabilities and technical features & functions. In the video of yours and also my own searched, On the payment gateway, theres not much provider outside from US, Canada, UK and Europe, How about payment gateway for Asian region? any suggestion or idea to go about it? once again thank you...
x2 or anyone in the comment section know about kenya?
Can the UDR block bit torrent traffic?
What about the new UniFi express ux now
Great video thanks😊
Routing all guest traffic through VPN should protect you from being visible at the ISP side on the type of traffic and other profiling except traffic volume & throughput profiling, which I am not sure most are doing.
Love the video ! Awesome !
Great vid Chris thanks
Anyone knows if there is a tp link version of this ,with omada
i dont know but probably a pfsense box would have done just finde with even more options
What happened to the house in the woods?
I belong to the 25% ^^ Keep it up Chris
Too bad the UDR is too under-powered. I've love to connect 2 as a mesh, but UI said they wouldn't enable it.
For the free trial package, if I connect to this network and choose free trial and use it up, disconnect and reconnect with privatised MAC, can I use the free trial again?
Most likely.
Yes
YOU ARE AMAZING!
udm se? poe switch built in, robust hw, able to use large drive for protect, etc etc
Yes - UDM-SE could work, but it's not as portable, and definitely a bigger power hog.
Nice video.
Something to consider, it might be a good idea to lower the dhcp lease time.
Having the default 24 hour lease for a 10 minute or 4 hour session might become a problem during the day.
Also DNS filtering will not work if someone is using DNS-over-https.
Good video. You could use this if you are near an amusement park or beach. Sell it for cheaper than other providers
How do you avoid getting caught by Starlink? Seems they'd know and blacklist your device, wouldn't they?
I doubt it. Your captive portal and pay stuff is behind your firewall/ router. I'd imagine if you have users bandwidth throttled down and good DNS filtering, you wouldn't stick out at all.
It is a promotion ?
My name is Fabien I in Rwanda Africa., I want to thank you for your support.
Thank you for this!
This was a super cool little implementation. Really well thought out. I'm curious how well you think 50-150 people would fare on Starlink simultaneously, though. If you actually did take it to a campground, what are 150 people's experience?
I guess limiting streaming prevents bandwidth hogging to some extent, but wonder if Twitch, Facebook Video, or UA-cam should also be on the blocklist.
Thanks! Typically, I wouldn't expect that many simultaneous folks to be using a setup like this. I imagine people would be using it in smaller chunks - perhaps up to 100 per day, but not all at the same time, so the concurrent usage would be minimal.
That being said, if you did need to account for 100-150 concurrent users, this would likely not be enough to handle that kind of capacity...you'd have to plan for more of everything (Internet/network/power/etc.).
@@CrosstalkSolutions Two things you didn't address is density. You will have a lot more than hundred people buying connectivity at a festival with over 10K in attendance! The iPhone password sharing is another headache regarding this solution. Please let me know how you would address these issues?
@@prominencetechnologyconsul2436 It's not password based - It blocks/allows based on MAC address - Which while it's possible to edit, is far beyond the scope of what most people would do
Have the UDR and personally can't see this being great for something like this unless you take it out of the box you carry it in. Granted I'm sure it would do the job but that many people running through that thing would cause some issues. Feel like you could easily configure this whole thing into a travel pelican with a udmSE. Feel like that would be a huge business 🤔 hmmm I may have just got an idea lol
Still Paypal ist not working. Only creditcards through paypal. 😡
Anyone any solution on how to solve this? Even with a third party captive portal? Is there any easy solution?
voucher system, have someone "gifting" codes.
Btw I asked Starlink support directly if resale is permitted on any level of account and they said no and quoted two sections of the terms of use policy.
I cover that in this video! Definitely use at your own risk.
i mean you just do it, what are they gonna do ? its not illegal after all, i think of it as buying something in bulk and sell it in small qty to others
@@TonnyCassidy cancellation of your service.
And how will they know? The ISP will just see an aggregate of data, not devices.
@@Legendary_UA really? You can’t tell?
love it
Great video for different use case ideas!
Please don't encourage people to do this. We do temporary networks for events and mission critical services. We manage everything from ticketing, Payment systems, emergency services communications, general operations cloud services, CCTV, iot sensors for water tanks etc. Last thing we need is people rolling in and nuking 160mhz channels at full power. It's tough enough managing around 3-4000 clients with sparse low bit rate coverage. Channel planning on our access layers with everyone else that requires Rf. From lighting to sound and media teams that bring their own kit. Not to mention every knob with a drone that flys through ptp links. At the end of the day if you are going to operate a network on an event site please liaise with the operator to get permission and make sure you work into their RF plan. We have seen a spike with starlink coming out. These are usually private sites and if it impacts emergency services it's likely you may start getting deauthed.
Do not try to make a business out of this side hustle. I know someone who tried it using Krumcost and their zealous attorneys demanded a 6-figure settlement or law suit. The penalty is reimbursement of potential lost revenue. Most people don’t know there is a Federal law prohibiting resale and any scheme that gives you financial gain will backfire.
For academic purposes, this is an excellent tutorial. Kudos to Chris, but don’t use it to make money.
Love my UDR. Don't think I've ever had it lock up, but I do have to refresh sometimes when trying to view camera stuff. I guess you could do like they mention below and sell a 4 or 24 hour membership to the Crosstalk Club, which includes free internet provided by Starlink. heh. I'm just trying to think of where I've been lately and had no wifi and no cell service. Would be a very niche use case for this sort of thing strictly based on location.
Switches and firewalls and PoE is so confusing.
bruh, do you even console with dev tools?
If you wanted to limit sites, you could always add a PiHole, without much on terms of power addition. .
A dns that blocks it is free with zero power or extra hardware
You also get DNS caching which can reduce load on the internet connection.
Why not just tunnel all traffic over star link to a VPS for traffic to egress? You're selling network tunneling as a service, not internet ;)
or you can use Mikrotik and do it cheaper and better with more options.
What would be your gear list for a Mikrotik solution?
I'm skeptical about the viability of 150 users over three days usage, even if not all users are concurrent, to use the available bandwidth of the Starlink RV plan. With the RV plan expected downloads are 5-50 mbps and uploads are 2-10 mbps, I think over saturation would occur at far lower connected users levels. It's an intriguing idea and a great way to help out in a disaster, I'll give ya that. The bandwidth mitigation, safe website DNS blockers, and application layers filters are clever and needed solutions to safeguard against any liabilities and to help protect users from potential malicious internet activity. I think the upfront costs are too high for a good ROI as general business idea but if you already have it on hand, it could supplement the cost of owning it. Although, as you and others have stated, it's against the terms of service from Starlink to resell their service.
I thought the same thing. 150 users on a sat connection,I doubt it would be a good experience for these users.
Can't resell the service... What a joke. Imagine making the most connected network setup solution in the world anywhere and saying you can't use it for busniess related wifi access.
this is all fine though reality is you aren't going to be hosting the events capacity on sat/air fiber/5g/4g-lte-a connection
looking at my entire home network I have come to the conclusion that wireless whilst practical in its use doesn't have the capacity in hosting more than 12 devices though hosting for 100+ devices is going to cause an issue on data throughput and that is with capping people to 15mbps or less
Unless you have a commercial service and a commercial license for internet i wouldn't try and use something meant for domestic service as commercial product as it will be against the TOS of the provider...
yes you can do it however the caveat be careful what you wish for because you have limitation in your service contract
My only concern is that someone would commit a crime using my internet connection and then I would have to waste time with police....
Exactly. This is a concern for many VPN providers too.
hahahaha! we are doing that here in the Philippines for years already
GG, telling people to break the TOS...
Seems like a dream router alone would have been simpler.
Lol…didn’t watch the video.
DC to DC power would be more efficient.
A camera to record the theft of the UCK, recording to the UCK, which the thief now owns. 😂
No resale of Starlink service. (Proceeds to tell us how to resell Starlink service. Snake.)
The torrent protocol is not just for piracy.
And not everyone had a bomb in their shoe at the airport - but we still have to take our shoes off to go through security don’t we?
Here in the Philippines, there are businesses of pay-as-you-go Wi-Fi hotspots (either you buy vouchers or drop coins).
how do the vouchers work?
20 bucks for 10 min is a bit hefty..
Makes airplane wifi look like deal :)
Welcome to data caps. Lol
So, if the box is stolen you have no video of who stole it. If someone was to do this you would want a camera that records to the cloud.
Even better advice... Do not re sell internet.
Yup - it’s a theft deterrent more than anything else.
you should stick to phone system videos instead of advocating kiting internet
Some notes from my professional experience doing similar: a) Reselling Starlink is against the T&C's - sure, you can do it, but if they catch you, you're done and potentially liable. b) you can mount the gear in a completely weather proof enclosure that is mountable and lockable ($25 to $150 off amazon), as I'm sure you know (the tote is weak IMHO). c) Couple a few 300W PV panels, AGM 200 AH batteries, and do it all DC to increase electrical efficiency (would need bigger enclosure, or added battery enclosure, and use DC powered network gear). the Ecoflow Delta is stupid expensive and you lose efficiency on AC conversion. d) add a cell-based backup **with a booster** (Verizon LTE/5G plan, which is mobile, but again breaks T's & C's though possible to do) as either load-balanced or failover as well as cell coverage for customers, as long as you can find at least -125 dBm of cell signal - the Cel Fi Go X is a great booster for just this. e) that mesh AP will not hold 100 devices connected - especially if those devices are moving away from the AP, unless you use RSSI mins (lots of AP tweaks needed to make this work well). f) why subject yourself to using only 1 power outlet for the PoE switch - you could easily add a USG3 as the firewall and get all the bells and whistles you can't get with the ERx (including 2 WANs) and add only a bit of wattage, and use a better DNS service that's more flexible and secure / able to block whatever you want. g) if you make changes to captive portal under new interface, make 1 change at a time, save, go back. h) most importantly - as a business, you can simply contact the festival promoter and work out being an Internet vendor, including for the performers / merchants and make even more $. An easy way to figure out your back haul is to work with a master agent company as a sub-agent and resell the circuit (even if you have to PTP it onto the festival from a neighboring location) and *know* you have a solid, supported, resellable backbone - especially vendors who can also add SASE or SD-WAN to the backbone to offload the security onto their network and provide portability so you can go on tour, have fun, and make money, re-use that connection at your office/home/or on the go. Interesting as a side-hustle, but could be way more professional and could really provide festivals, camps, etc. with real Internet connectivity and make real cash year after year. A festival with "10,000" people are not going to be supportable off a Starlink dish, and LTE connection, or some basic set up like this, unless you're doing it out of the trunk of your car. And, if you're going to the festical to enjoy the festival, WTF are you doing acting as a WISP for the weekend???
They now have Starlink Business which Internet broadband companies can use for reselling to their customers, mainly as backup or to complement existing services.
Music fest... how very... hippie of you....
lol
And the moment they log on to your network, you get all the passwords and all you want ...People are stupid if they do things like that!!!
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Congratulations on teaching people how to break the terms of service.
Screw Elon, just sell it.
"research" lol
I cancelled Starlink as it was downloading too much internet hate.
Starlink has been absolutely fabulous
lol. I dont even have starlink and i get the internet hate. I think it is a symptom of the beast not because of starlink, but we need more data to verify....
Perhaps you should move to a better neighborhood 😂
cloudflare family better m.o