I love your videos, but i have to say that running copper cables between buildings is not a good idea. A cheap fibercable with outdoor shielding would have been a better solution imo. Completely isolated against any electrical charges, lightning strikes, etc.
@@MartinLangATADA ah thanks a lot. Are there any advantages to running copper in this scenario? Just wondering why they would choose that rather than fiber cable
@@DavidTrejo The UDM-SE already has an SFP WAN port. Could have just bumped it up by $90 for a boat house switch with an SFP cage, if one didn't want a media converter. And if more wires is the issue (more power cables) of not wanting a media converter, one can buy media converters that run off PoE power. So literally just a regular RJ45ed cable anyway, to a box, to the fiber.
I would of run armored outdoor fiber along the trolley path. The fiber cable could have 6 strands or more to allow more flexibility. You would avoid electrical and electromagnetic interference issues. Yes you do need to add media converters (an extra possible point of failure) or even better SFP at either end. SFPs are pretty reliable and low cost so you can leave 1 or 2 spare onsite. I've already used the armored fiber when I hooked up a customer that rented more space in their existing building. However to get to the new office space, we had to go through common corridors so to avoid having the cable damaged by other trades, not only was the fiber cable tagged every few feet with labels indicating it was fiber and my customer's info, it was also armored to further reduce likely hood of damage. We also chose 2 different routes coming in from each end of the new office space so that we can take advantage of LAGG doubling the speed and guaranteeing redundancy. A fiber cut would mean 50+ engineers without Internet or phones service.
I would have run fiber, as well. But I guess some people like fried equipment. The router he's using has an SFP cage on it anyway. $90 more and he could have used a switch down at the boat house that has 2 SFP cages. It's a shame the Dream Machine router doesn't let you change the second SFP port to be used for WAN (so you could have failover). I would have somehow also ran fiber to the back house. I don't get the obsession with skirting the work of cabling in favor of wireless for backhauls.
@@timramich 90 $? lol thats a joke right? Supplies != labor. What happens when that fiber gets broken? Just gonna slide down the Willie Wonka cart and fix it for free? Shhhh...
For outdoor cable, what we do is run the outdoor cable until it gets inside the building. Once in the building, we use keystone jacks to terminate the outdoor cable and run our standard cat5e/6 cable off of that keystone jack. While it does potentially introduce a point of failure, we have found it works quite well and reduces the need to try and play with the goo they have in the outdoor cable. Hopefully this helps with future installs!
Personally I prefer terminating all fixed cat6 cable runs with female keystone jacks. The cable is not meant to be bent like normal patch cables, so best to keep it fixed in one place. Toolless keystone jacks are very inexpensive, so are patch panels and wall mounted sockets. Also in Europe that black outdoor cable is not rated for indoor installations due to fire prevention regulations (CPR). So to be up to building code you can have a maximum of 5 meters of outdoor cable indoors until you need to switch to a different cable. Some outdoor cat6 cables have a regular indoor cable under the black outdoor rated sheathing that you can peel off to make the cable suitable for indoor installations.
yup - we pretty much never terminate CAT5e/6 anymore. Everything goes to keystones - then a short patch cable to the device. Practically eliminates all install issues - and provides an easy way to service/replace the final bit - just throw in another patch cable.
The trouble with using external cat6 cable with goo on a slope or pole is the grease melts in the heat and runs out the bottom, terminating external cable on keystones eliminates issues with large conductor size causing problems with terminating directly on CAT6 connectors
Love the router/firewall named "youdaho"...LOL! Excellent job, as always! I really enjoyed going through everything from concept to finish. Appreciate your work!
Cool setup! I would probably have tried to get the boathouse equipment somehow powered by the main house so it would work on generator power. Maybe a switch flex to send POE down to run the WISP antenna at least (since starlink needs AC power). In a long term power out situation I know I’d want internet!
This video is so excellent! It has to be a common situation where the cable drop for the ISP was placed in a different part of the house from the network closet. This saved me hundreds of dollars to find someone who would pull a fiber cable through my house where we have neither crawlspace nor attic. Perhaps it is obvious how to do this if one is a network person, but that I am not.
This is great Chris; however, you forgot to share the coverage and speedtest. I hope you can include that in your future videos with this kind of project. Nonetheless, another great project good job.
Great video that perfectly represents my situation. Very helpful - you do great work. As an electrical engineer and 40+ years in industry, I still learn something new each time I come to your site for solutions. Your UDM Pro setup series is spectacular. Many, many thanks
If you didn’t want to run fiber to the small building, I should have at least installed the new conduit for the Ethernet on the opposite side of the track to eliminate any EMF from the power generating an AC current on the Ethernet cable. I would also not drilled through the crawl space vent but through the wall. That way the vent can still be opened or closed to control humidity under the structure. In addition I would have installed a keystone where the AP was coming through upstairs. That way if the line was damaged it would be easy to replace. I guess you can always install a keystone later if it gets damaged but I think it would have looked better. Also, I would have went with a different location for the upstairs AP and not had it in a cabinet so it wouldn’t attenuate the Wi-Fi signal as much.
Yeah, that conduit pass-through through the middle of the window threw me, as did the diagonal cable running across the basement ceiling. And I'd think the difficulty in getting that one line terminated should have demonstrated the value in protecting that particular termination, at least, with a keystone wall jack.
Hi Chris, superbly illustrated. I have lived the ethernet termination issue you ran into... what a pain -- glad to see you received good help from the ISP. For those times I wish I could have asked you a 100 questions related to point to point/multipoint, your video has 1000 answers and is a great reference. BTW, your HPWC from the coast is now happily installed at a rural outpost and is working perfectly. Thanks again. -K
Platinum ezEX48 connectors works perfectly for that kind of cable, but as others have said it would be better to user fiber to protect from lightning especially since the houses are on different electrical supplies.
this is the stuff i live for, great video, i love how well you explained how you transported both wans via vlans up to the gateway and cross connected them over, i had no clue you could do that very cool
Thank You So Much! I really appreciate the kind of videos you make. Just basic stuff, no annoying background music or fast switch of diagrams to the actual project. Thanks for taking the time and explaining the Why of it all. Greetings from Holland
My first dive into Unifi was was with the USW-Lite-8-PoE in a MoCA application. It changed the game for me and have since expanded. I'm still new to this and now learning how to apply the network to the hardware...securely. Great lessons here and I thank you.
Awesome video Chris. Not just the content but also the production. I know it was a ton of work and editing and we greatly appreciate you. This video helped me solve a dual wan dilemma for an upcoming install. So Cheers!!
Hello Chris. Thanks for this this was a great setup. A real challenge.. Have you ever considered running fiber between the building closest to the lake to the main house instead of that funky outdoor grade CAT6?. Another solution for connectivity could be A set of copper link wan adapters that allow for 100Mbps of speed over single pair of copper (if available of course). I've used these units using old copper quad wiring and they work great. Appreciate all you guys do! Huge fan!
Hey Chris, been a long time subscriber! Still remember the choppy intro music years back - not complaining, it is a great memory because of the pbx videos you did back then that I really loved. Anyhow.. I love these videos the best when you're out on a site and showing installations, it is so fun to watch! Even the installation videos you've done in both your house now and the previous one, real fun! Get to the point.. yeah.. well this video gave me a great idea for our "failover" 4G connection in our new house we're moving into in February.. I'm going to try the isolated VLAN as the second building already has 4G antennas on it and the primary living house has fiber, so I'm going to try and hook it up like you did here with primary/backup wan but only for my backup then via the 4G.. I always learn something new and sometimes refresh some knowledge when I'm watching your videos. Really fun, really great! Thanks for making awesome content! ❤
Awesome video with some great tips! A couple suggestions: - Get some Conduit spacers or simply some hangers and bolt them together to stack the conduit correctly. Zip ties will not last. :) - Vaseline is petroleum based. It may damage cable sheathing depending on the makeup of the cable jacket. Use wire pulling lubricant such as Klein Tools Foam Lubricant. I am hoping the cable you used is oil resistant.
That cat6 cable run scares me. That metal rail line seems like a lightning rod. I'd feel better if it were fiber. I can't even keep my buried sprinkler lines from being hit by errant lightning.
Just found this channel and I love it. I am a help desk tech who is studying for my ccna and I love videos like these. Would love to have my own company one day where I do installations like these
I just completed a house (1900 sf) on a lake in N Idaho and used a Unifi dream router for inside, and added a U6 mesh access point outside. The U6 is poe from the router. I started with Starlink because local microwave services are running less than 25 mbps. So far my experience with starlink is mostly getting in the range of 75-125 mbps, that was a huge improvement. I do have trees around so it occasionally gets disrupted for seconds only, but that seems to happen mostly in the very early morning time. The Starlink app to check siting of the dish gave an indication that reception is poor, but in reality it's outstanding. Love UNIFI and use it at my main home as well. I've learned a lot from Crosstalk, so thanks.
What about lightning protection? The one I would most be concerned about is the trunk between the boat house and the main house. Overall great design, I am a little weary of routing internet over VLANs with other vlans in the same trunk. While its highly unlikely I always worry about something coming in from the Internet before it hits the firewall.
You did an amazing job on this video! I appreciate you taking the time to sit down and explain everything. You made that network 100% better, good job man!
Love the Setup, perfect use of the vlan. I have a tip, u can use the Port 8 on the udm-pro as a wan connection so u don’t need the sfp+ to RJ45 Adapter.
I had to poke around in Unifi to turn port 8 into WAN2, I never would have known if it wasn't pointed out because you have to reconfigure port 10 first so that the WAN option appears under port 8. Nice tip.
Nice work Chris! Did you know that in one of the latest or perhaps RC or EA firmware for the UDM-Pro you can relocate primary and secondary WAN between ports 8-9 and SFP1-2 in any desired order. I know that we can’t discuss the specifics of EA but this is coming, just a heads up. 😀
Great install upgrade. I would suggest just painting the outside mounts black too since the time was taken to paint the equipment. Overall really nice!
Hi Chris, I would have run fiber between the main house and boat house as it would not be affected by magnetic interference from the ac cable or the trolley moving above it. On the back house I would have used a 5 port flex switch which would only used 1 POE injector and give you 4 POE out ports.
A "horizontal cable" between locations should always be terminated on jacks. Modular plugs are not made to crimp on solid wire Cat6 cable, no matter what people (and vendors) say. The reliability of structured cabling depends on IDC connections: jacks and patch panels for solid (horizontal) wire, plugs for stranded (patch cord) wire. Quite a few manufacturers have tried to make "field terminable plugs" with mixed results. They are usually very large and expensive and often they are no better than mod plugs - they pull right off the wire.
That's a gorgeous property and a fantastic video. Great drone footage as well. Seems like there's no need at that property for super robust LAN beyond 1 gigabit at the moment -- no NAS with movies or any random servers. Here in the Southeast USA, the lightning is pretty insane, and we've lost several thousand $$ in equipment from a direct lightning strike that somehow managed to enter the house through coax -- > cable modem -- > ethernet cables to all devices despite having super robust AC surge protectors (high end Zero Surge for my stuff). With that said -- and I'm new to fiber -- maybe a Phase 2 would involve adding something like OM-4 multimode fiber optic in that conduit between the boat house and the main house which would pretty much eliminate lightning/surge risk. I think it can terminate into SFP or SFP+ connectors of your choice and this would allow 1 or 10Gig today and even faster in the future with switch and router upgrades. An expensive Phase 2 would be to also run conduit and fiber between the main house and back house instead of the PTMP solution (which does seem rock solid for what it's worth and very cost-effective). I saw a U6 LR being used I think in the main house but not much discussion...was curious why U6 Mesh was used for some of the interior APs vs. maybe a U6 Lite? Just rambling out loud. Loved this video a lot, Chris.
Likely because the U6-Lite is 2x2 MIMO while U6 Mesh is 4x4 MIMO, and some folks seem to favor the looks of the Mesh model. Despite the name, it's a great wired AP - IMO the "mesh" name was a marketing move, and shouldn't sway a system designer or installer's decision.
This is what a lot of my clients' sites look like out here in Central Texas. I deal with a bunch of ranches where they want to have network at the main house, the guest house, the hunting cabin way over there, the barn, and maybe also a camera and access control at the gate.
Great video and what a view!!! One question about the dual-wan at the UDM: Is it possible to directly internally route the traffic of the wan 1/2 vlans to the wan interfaces of the UDM, so, without the external loopback connection? Best regards 🙂
My parents have a property very similar to this in Minnesota. The cabin is about half way down the hill on the property. With one access point that's away from the lake in the center, I can get Wi-Fi all the way to the top of the hill about 75 feet from the cabin away from the lake and 250 yards out on the lake. The signal is very low at those points, but it comes in. The only dead zone on the property is the hill going back down toward the road on the other side which we will never use because the trees are way too thick there. I ended up putting 2 access point just because the internet came in over on the west side of the cabin and the signal got weak way over on the east side. With that said I'm adding more access points, but it's not to cover the property. I'm trying to get better signal across the lake.
found your video thanks, im looking to do this for my boss's cottage with 4 outbuildings. same thing pretty much as what you did but all one level thank god. ill have to rewatch this video a few times to get a grasp of it better. thank you new SUB !
It's a bummer that they didn't add any network wire or panels during what looks like relatively new construction. You totally made the best of what you had to work with though! I wish every crawl space had that much headroom and LIGHTING!
Yes - agreed...I checked behind the RJ11 jacks, but it was not CAT cable unfortunately. Would have been a nice bonus. And the crawl space was pretty decent! Much better than my own house.
Thank you for making me aware of the possibility to do WAN-Passthrough between devices. Previously I had this only on the same switch. As of the latest beta firmware you can now use Ports 8/9 as WAN, so no need for SFP-Modules any more!
Had a similar issue with some cat6 cabling that was rated for 600v (use on power poles). The insulation one each conductor was too thick. A deep, deep dive into the documentation revealed I needed a specific type of cat6 rj45 at $5 a piece!
Very nice solution for that complex! I have had same issues with terminating a Cat7 shielded cable, just couldnt get those wires properly into those connectors. I ended up making some keystones instead, which I also usually prefer as I can then use factory made LAN cables from that to whatever unit that needs a connection. Here in my house I have a fully decked-out Unifi setup, almost enterprise level with UDM Pro, 24 port PoE Pro, 8-port Industrial, numerous Flex and Flex Minis and 4 NanoHDs+11 Protect cameras :). I had those same Nanobeams too but ended up running cat6 outdoor cable to my workshop since the Protect cameras kept getting disconnected everytime I upgraded to a new firmware on the Unifi part (?!). Anyways, I am very intrigued by that VLAN Only that you did and will see if I can mimick that here as I want to move my entire FW/SW setup to a better and temp-controlled environment elsewhere in the house. I will probably just run new cables from the 24 port keystone to another keystone in that new location once I figure that out.
I agree on the keystone. This is (or should be in most cases) the standard method for terminating to an interior space from exterior. There are some 8P8C connectors that are specced for larger-gauge cable, but should be used when space or distance constraints are an issue (such as terminating to an outdoor enclosure).
Great Video! It’s cool to see how other people set up networks for different challenging properties and buildings. I have set up a Unifi network for a lake house with the main concern being able to provide the whole property(1 acre) with high speed wifi for mobile devices and a wifi camera . The property is quite long and we have cable internet at the house which is at the very top. I connected a mesh pro AP to the router at the house and added a mesh ap at the shed halfway down the property which connected to the house mesh pro wirelessly. We were able to get decent speed wifi at the end of the dock.
It may have been already asked, but why wouldn’t you just run a fiber to the boathouse and upgrade the switch to accept? Great video, I love seeing other peoples installs.
I have learned alot from Crosstalk Solutions. I am a seasoned Cisco type.... so I understand alot of the talk.... just didnt know this Ubiquiti equipment. It's my intention to utilize Ubiquiti at my house... and my inlaws houses ....as we are really close to one another... then tie into the local ISP and or Cellular infrastructure available.
i had a similar situation. a house with main internet and a carriage house/garage about 150 feet behind that. instead of a wireless bridge, i just blanketed the area with a couple access points in the house, and then a wireless mesh network for the carriage house and anything outside of that range. i used all ubiquiti equipment and it worked like a charm. super simple and easy as the mesh system just needed power for the mesh access points.
I know the struggle with terminating outdoor cable, especially gel filled and gave up long ago trying to terminate it with RJ45s. You can test it and 2 days later it will fail because of strain relief issues. Much easier to punch to Keystone, place in a surface mount box, and go to a patch cord to the switch/router.
Awesome video Kris! I too have issue terminating cat 7 cable’s. I can’t wait until the day that all ethernet cables are replaced with SFP fiber!! A guy can dream cant he?
Nice job. The UDM is a spectacularly good piece of kit. I've got 30 of them under management now - adding more and more as we go. Feeding them with Starlink exclusively.
The only thing that I may have done differently is to use single mode fiber to connect the boathouse to the upper house in order to avoid any kind of electrical surge from storms.
Great video and great project. I would have liked to have seen a little more on the VLAN setup of that 8-port switch you've got the dual WAN connections feeding into. You detailed the setup for ports 7 and 8 nicely, that all makes sense. But what about the network tagging for the connection up to the UDM-SE and the connection for the WiFi there at the boat house? How did you essentially make that switch sit both between the WAN and the router as well as on the router's network all over a single cable? I think I'm missing something.
@@n.l3880 True, but I guess I'm curious about how it is setup in the UniFi controller specifically. I'm assuming the feed to the UDM is connected to a port with All set for its network profile, and then the AP is probably connected with just the Secure/Guest profiles. But if the main feed port is set to All, how does the switch not go insane trying to decide if it is a part of either of the WAN networks or the LAN network?
@@angrybatvoice The boat house tags the VLANs (3&4) on Ports 7/8, the Port 1 (I think) is a trunk port carrying both VLANs to the UDM-SE. Unsure what port on the UDM-SE he used to terminate that connection, but that one would be configured as a trunk as well. From there, he had port 7/8 on the UDM-SE configured to be VLAN3&4, which then untagged traffic flows out, and he physically connected Port 7/8 to the WAN1/WAN2 ports on the UDM-SE which expect untagged traffic. The rest of the ports would not be trunks, etc, they would just be configured for another specific VLAN, I suspect he used VLAN1 for Secure, and VLAN2 for Guest. So only untagged traffic is going out of those, which none would be for VLAN3/4. The traffic coming into the UDM from the boat house will always be tagged with either VLAN 3 or VLAN 4, that's how the UDM keeps it straight if it's WAN or LAN. Anything LAN will be presumably VLAN1/2.
@@angrybatvoice switches will always try to get an ip from the native untagged vlan 1 unless you go into unifi-services-management network and specify which network you want it to land on. It will never send a DHCP request to a tagged network unless that tagged network is set as the native vlan.
Would love to see more install vids like this. Always nice to see gear in action instead of on a desk.
In my opinion, this is the best video you have done. I think you should do more videos like this!
The planning, deployment and validation appears to be spot on for the customers needs. Great job! Keep up the good work!
I love your videos, but i have to say that running copper cables between buildings is not a good idea. A cheap fibercable with outdoor shielding would have been a better solution imo. Completely isolated against any electrical charges, lightning strikes, etc.
Which bit had the copper cable? In the conduit between the boat house and the main house?
@@PeterOBrien2 yup
@@MartinLangATADA ah thanks a lot. Are there any advantages to running copper in this scenario? Just wondering why they would choose that rather than fiber cable
@@PeterOBrien2 Additional cost for media converters / simplicity. I would have also looked at Fiber.
@@DavidTrejo The UDM-SE already has an SFP WAN port. Could have just bumped it up by $90 for a boat house switch with an SFP cage, if one didn't want a media converter. And if more wires is the issue (more power cables) of not wanting a media converter, one can buy media converters that run off PoE power. So literally just a regular RJ45ed cable anyway, to a box, to the fiber.
This was a fun video!! I do installs, so this was right in line with what i enjoy doing. I also learned some stuff!
I would of run armored outdoor fiber along the trolley path. The fiber cable could have 6 strands or more to allow more flexibility. You would avoid electrical and electromagnetic interference issues. Yes you do need to add media converters (an extra possible point of failure) or even better SFP at either end. SFPs are pretty reliable and low cost so you can leave 1 or 2 spare onsite. I've already used the armored fiber when I hooked up a customer that rented more space in their existing building. However to get to the new office space, we had to go through common corridors so to avoid having the cable damaged by other trades, not only was the fiber cable tagged every few feet with labels indicating it was fiber and my customer's info, it was also armored to further reduce likely hood of damage. We also chose 2 different routes coming in from each end of the new office space so that we can take advantage of LAGG doubling the speed and guaranteeing redundancy. A fiber cut would mean 50+ engineers without Internet or phones service.
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@@catchallaccount9643 That's rude
I would have run fiber, as well. But I guess some people like fried equipment. The router he's using has an SFP cage on it anyway. $90 more and he could have used a switch down at the boat house that has 2 SFP cages. It's a shame the Dream Machine router doesn't let you change the second SFP port to be used for WAN (so you could have failover). I would have somehow also ran fiber to the back house. I don't get the obsession with skirting the work of cabling in favor of wireless for backhauls.
LAG doesn’t double the speed
@@timramich 90 $? lol thats a joke right? Supplies != labor. What happens when that fiber gets broken? Just gonna slide down the Willie Wonka cart and fix it for free? Shhhh...
For outdoor cable, what we do is run the outdoor cable until it gets inside the building. Once in the building, we use keystone jacks to terminate the outdoor cable and run our standard cat5e/6 cable off of that keystone jack. While it does potentially introduce a point of failure, we have found it works quite well and reduces the need to try and play with the goo they have in the outdoor cable. Hopefully this helps with future installs!
Personally I prefer terminating all fixed cat6 cable runs with female keystone jacks. The cable is not meant to be bent like normal patch cables, so best to keep it fixed in one place. Toolless keystone jacks are very inexpensive, so are patch panels and wall mounted sockets.
Also in Europe that black outdoor cable is not rated for indoor installations due to fire prevention regulations (CPR). So to be up to building code you can have a maximum of 5 meters of outdoor cable indoors until you need to switch to a different cable. Some outdoor cat6 cables have a regular indoor cable under the black outdoor rated sheathing that you can peel off to make the cable suitable for indoor installations.
yup - we pretty much never terminate CAT5e/6 anymore. Everything goes to keystones - then a short patch cable to the device. Practically eliminates all install issues - and provides an easy way to service/replace the final bit - just throw in another patch cable.
The trouble with using external cat6 cable with goo on a slope or pole is the grease melts in the heat and runs out the bottom, terminating external cable on keystones eliminates issues with large conductor size causing problems with terminating directly on CAT6 connectors
Love the router/firewall named "youdaho"...LOL! Excellent job, as always! I really enjoyed going through everything from concept to finish. Appreciate your work!
Chris this is hands-down one of your best videos yet - love this style and hands on. Well done!
Cool setup! I would probably have tried to get the boathouse equipment somehow powered by the main house so it would work on generator power. Maybe a switch flex to send POE down to run the WISP antenna at least (since starlink needs AC power). In a long term power out situation I know I’d want internet!
This video is so excellent! It has to be a common situation where the cable drop for the ISP was placed in a different part of the house from the network closet. This saved me hundreds of dollars to find someone who would pull a fiber cable through my house where we have neither crawlspace nor attic. Perhaps it is obvious how to do this if one is a network person, but that I am not.
That was a nice change of pace Chris. I've enjoyed very much. The scenery was spectacular!
This is great Chris; however, you forgot to share the coverage and speedtest. I hope you can include that in your future videos with this kind of project. Nonetheless, another great project good job.
Great video that perfectly represents my situation. Very helpful - you do great work. As an electrical engineer and 40+ years in industry, I still learn something new each time I come to your site for solutions. Your UDM Pro setup series is spectacular. Many, many thanks
If you didn’t want to run fiber to the small building, I should have at least installed the new conduit for the Ethernet on the opposite side of the track to eliminate any EMF from the power generating an AC current on the Ethernet cable.
I would also not drilled through the crawl space vent but through the wall. That way the vent can still be opened or closed to control humidity under the structure.
In addition I would have installed a keystone where the AP was coming through upstairs. That way if the line was damaged it would be easy to replace. I guess you can always install a keystone later if it gets damaged but I think it would have looked better.
Also, I would have went with a different location for the upstairs AP and not had it in a cabinet so it wouldn’t attenuate the Wi-Fi signal as much.
Yeah, that conduit pass-through through the middle of the window threw me, as did the diagonal cable running across the basement ceiling. And I'd think the difficulty in getting that one line terminated should have demonstrated the value in protecting that particular termination, at least, with a keystone wall jack.
it was nice to learn about the practical deployment of an inter-vlan use
Awesome video! So good when people talk honestly about problems they had, and who helped out. Fantastic stuff, and not yer run of the mill YT content.
Hi Chris, superbly illustrated. I have lived the ethernet termination issue you ran into... what a pain -- glad to see you received good help from the ISP. For those times I wish I could have asked you a 100 questions related to point to point/multipoint, your video has 1000 answers and is a great reference. BTW, your HPWC from the coast is now happily installed at a rural outpost and is working perfectly. Thanks again. -K
Platinum ezEX48 connectors works perfectly for that kind of cable, but as others have said it would be better to user fiber to protect from lightning especially since the houses are on different electrical supplies.
this is the stuff i live for, great video, i love how well you explained how you transported both wans via vlans up to the gateway and cross connected them over, i had no clue you could do that very cool
Thank you so much for this video, I learned a ton! I'd love to see more like this :)
Youdaho. LOL, You're killing me smalls! Nice touch Chris! 🍻
Thanks for this great video. This helps a lot in my day-to-day work...
Excellent video Chris
Thank You So Much!
I really appreciate the kind of videos you make. Just basic stuff, no annoying background music or fast switch of diagrams to the actual project. Thanks for taking the time and explaining the Why of it all. Greetings from Holland
Love these type of video. Great job Chris
What a beautiful property shown in this video! The outstanding work you did here certainly helps keep it that way. Good job!
That house and property are absolutely gorgeous. I wouldn't want to leave LOL
Great video with explanations need more project on your channels.
This was really interesting Chris thank you for the share
Very interesting! The part about the separate VLANS for the two internet connections was particularly useful. Thanks
Great work! Nice houses and views too!
My first dive into Unifi was was with the USW-Lite-8-PoE in a MoCA application. It changed the game for me and have since expanded. I'm still new to this and now learning how to apply the network to the hardware...securely. Great lessons here and I thank you.
I've not even finished watching but I'm loving the discussion going on with considerations and ideas. Absolutely brilliant video!!
Awesome video Chris. Not just the content but also the production. I know it was a ton of work and editing and we greatly appreciate you. This video helped me solve a dual wan dilemma for an upcoming install. So Cheers!!
What a gorgeous piece of property and view! That's my retirement dream.
Love that Pockether, using it for every install also, works like a charm
Awesome video, I love doing this type of design and install. I am a network engineer by trade and love Ubiquiti gear.
Epic video chris! Great job thanks for sharing
Thanks for the guide on how to do the VLAN only wan over the network. I remembered this video from a year ago to help me do something similar.
Nice job Chris!
I loved the flow of everything! I can't wait to have access to hardware like this in my country.
Thank you for the great video! I wanted to have a similar multi-building setup. How you explained the WAN primary and backup was perfect!
I like it. Some aspects could have been cleaner, but all in all, you guys did a good job.
Hello Chris. Thanks for this this was a great setup. A real challenge.. Have you ever considered running fiber between the building closest to the lake to the main house instead of that funky outdoor grade CAT6?. Another solution for connectivity could be A set of copper link wan adapters that allow for 100Mbps of speed over single pair of copper (if available of course). I've used these units using old copper quad wiring and they work great. Appreciate all you guys do! Huge fan!
I thought of fiber as well, but you need a different switch for that.
Love this! Thanks so much for sharing! Just found your channel. HUGE Ubiquiti fan! :)
Well done, very informative. While enjoying the nature.
Hey Chris, been a long time subscriber! Still remember the choppy intro music years back - not complaining, it is a great memory because of the pbx videos you did back then that I really loved. Anyhow.. I love these videos the best when you're out on a site and showing installations, it is so fun to watch! Even the installation videos you've done in both your house now and the previous one, real fun! Get to the point.. yeah.. well this video gave me a great idea for our "failover" 4G connection in our new house we're moving into in February.. I'm going to try the isolated VLAN as the second building already has 4G antennas on it and the primary living house has fiber, so I'm going to try and hook it up like you did here with primary/backup wan but only for my backup then via the 4G..
I always learn something new and sometimes refresh some knowledge when I'm watching your videos. Really fun, really great! Thanks for making awesome content! ❤
Awesome video with some great tips!
A couple suggestions:
- Get some Conduit spacers or simply some hangers and bolt them together to stack the conduit correctly. Zip ties will not last. :)
- Vaseline is petroleum based. It may damage cable sheathing depending on the makeup of the cable jacket. Use wire pulling lubricant such as Klein Tools Foam Lubricant. I am hoping the cable you used is oil resistant.
Super cool video! Love watching these specialty builds.
That cat6 cable run scares me. That metal rail line seems like a lightning rod. I'd feel better if it were fiber. I can't even keep my buried sprinkler lines from being hit by errant lightning.
Just found this channel and I love it. I am a help desk tech who is studying for my ccna and I love videos like these. Would love to have my own company one day where I do installations like these
one of the most clearly explained and well prepared video's, great content
What a wonderful place to have to go and do an install at. Lots of good information given. Thank you 👍👍
Fun video! It scratches my IT nerd itch. Good job!
I just completed a house (1900 sf) on a lake in N Idaho and used a Unifi dream router for inside, and added a U6 mesh access point outside. The U6 is poe from the router. I started with Starlink because local microwave services are running less than 25 mbps. So far my experience with starlink is mostly getting in the range of 75-125 mbps, that was a huge improvement. I do have trees around so it occasionally gets disrupted for seconds only, but that seems to happen mostly in the very early morning time. The Starlink app to check siting of the dish gave an indication that reception is poor, but in reality it's outstanding. Love UNIFI and use it at my main home as well. I've learned a lot from Crosstalk, so thanks.
Love this type of video. Thanks for sharing!
The video was exciting and educative. Thanks a bunch
What about lightning protection? The one I would most be concerned about is the trunk between the boat house and the main house. Overall great design, I am a little weary of routing internet over VLANs with other vlans in the same trunk. While its highly unlikely I always worry about something coming in from the Internet before it hits the firewall.
Lightning was my first question too..... I would have leaned towards a fiber link between the two buildings, giving it some electrical isolation.
@@andrewr886 Or at least lightning arrestors. I have lost at least one switch that way in the past.
You did an amazing job on this video! I appreciate you taking the time to sit down and explain everything. You made that network 100% better, good job man!
Love the Setup, perfect use of the vlan. I have a tip, u can use the Port 8 on the udm-pro as a wan connection so u don’t need the sfp+ to RJ45 Adapter.
I had to poke around in Unifi to turn port 8 into WAN2, I never would have known if it wasn't pointed out because you have to reconfigure port 10 first so that the WAN option appears under port 8. Nice tip.
Great video! Would love to see more install vids like this.
This is a great video to learn about designing and installing network devices. I love VLAN explanation session that was new for me. Awesome video.
This content was really good. Thanks for sharing.
Well done Chris! I thought the intro was a nice touch.
very informative and interesting install. Also good to see you have upped your cable management skills.
Genius, loved the intro, the setup and especially the explanation on vlan and how you used it. Great video.
Nice work Chris. Interesting setup with the dual wan over a single physical link.
Nice work Chris! Did you know that in one of the latest or perhaps RC or EA firmware for the UDM-Pro you can relocate primary and secondary WAN between ports 8-9 and SFP1-2 in any desired order.
I know that we can’t discuss the specifics of EA but this is coming, just a heads up. 😀
Great install upgrade. I would suggest just painting the outside mounts black too since the time was taken to paint the equipment.
Overall really nice!
Hi Chris, I would have run fiber between the main house and boat house as it would not be affected by magnetic interference from the ac cable or the trolley moving above it.
On the back house I would have used a 5 port flex switch which would only used 1 POE injector and give you 4 POE out ports.
A "horizontal cable" between locations should always be terminated on jacks. Modular plugs are not made to crimp on solid wire Cat6 cable, no matter what people (and vendors) say. The reliability of structured cabling depends on IDC connections: jacks and patch panels for solid (horizontal) wire, plugs for stranded (patch cord) wire.
Quite a few manufacturers have tried to make "field terminable plugs" with mixed results. They are usually very large and expensive and often they are no better than mod plugs - they pull right off the wire.
That's a gorgeous property and a fantastic video. Great drone footage as well. Seems like there's no need at that property for super robust LAN beyond 1 gigabit at the moment -- no NAS with movies or any random servers. Here in the Southeast USA, the lightning is pretty insane, and we've lost several thousand $$ in equipment from a direct lightning strike that somehow managed to enter the house through coax -- > cable modem -- > ethernet cables to all devices despite having super robust AC surge protectors (high end Zero Surge for my stuff). With that said -- and I'm new to fiber -- maybe a Phase 2 would involve adding something like OM-4 multimode fiber optic in that conduit between the boat house and the main house which would pretty much eliminate lightning/surge risk. I think it can terminate into SFP or SFP+ connectors of your choice and this would allow 1 or 10Gig today and even faster in the future with switch and router upgrades.
An expensive Phase 2 would be to also run conduit and fiber between the main house and back house instead of the PTMP solution (which does seem rock solid for what it's worth and very cost-effective).
I saw a U6 LR being used I think in the main house but not much discussion...was curious why U6 Mesh was used for some of the interior APs vs. maybe a U6 Lite?
Just rambling out loud. Loved this video a lot, Chris.
Yeah, why U6-Mesh and not U6-Lites? Why the mesh at all?
Likely because the U6-Lite is 2x2 MIMO while U6 Mesh is 4x4 MIMO, and some folks seem to favor the looks of the Mesh model. Despite the name, it's a great wired AP - IMO the "mesh" name was a marketing move, and shouldn't sway a system designer or installer's decision.
Great video Chris. I love your content as this is "real world" scenarios I often run into.
this was a great video! i have a large property with lots of trees and multiple structures. your videos have provide awesome insight, thank you!
Great project! Would like to see more installation videos in the future!
This is what a lot of my clients' sites look like out here in Central Texas. I deal with a bunch of ranches where they want to have network at the main house, the guest house, the hunting cabin way over there, the barn, and maybe also a camera and access control at the gate.
Great video and what a view!!!
One question about the dual-wan at the UDM:
Is it possible to directly internally route the traffic of the wan 1/2 vlans to the wan interfaces of the UDM, so, without the external loopback connection?
Best regards 🙂
My parents have a property very similar to this in Minnesota. The cabin is about half way down the hill on the property. With one access point that's away from the lake in the center, I can get Wi-Fi all the way to the top of the hill about 75 feet from the cabin away from the lake and 250 yards out on the lake. The signal is very low at those points, but it comes in. The only dead zone on the property is the hill going back down toward the road on the other side which we will never use because the trees are way too thick there. I ended up putting 2 access point just because the internet came in over on the west side of the cabin and the signal got weak way over on the east side. With that said I'm adding more access points, but it's not to cover the property. I'm trying to get better signal across the lake.
I would have picked a sunnier weekend to go.. Nice Job!
Nice presentation!
Great video very informative, would love to see more
found your video thanks, im looking to do this for my boss's cottage with 4 outbuildings. same thing pretty much as what you did but all one level thank god. ill have to rewatch this video a few times to get a grasp of it better. thank you new SUB !
really interesting - more please
It's a bummer that they didn't add any network wire or panels during what looks like relatively new construction.
You totally made the best of what you had to work with though! I wish every crawl space had that much headroom and LIGHTING!
Yes - agreed...I checked behind the RJ11 jacks, but it was not CAT cable unfortunately. Would have been a nice bonus.
And the crawl space was pretty decent! Much better than my own house.
Thank you for making me aware of the possibility to do WAN-Passthrough between devices. Previously I had this only on the same switch. As of the latest beta firmware you can now use Ports 8/9 as WAN, so no need for SFP-Modules any more!
Very enjoyable video Chris
Had a similar issue with some cat6 cabling that was rated for 600v (use on power poles). The insulation one each conductor was too thick. A deep, deep dive into the documentation revealed I needed a specific type of cat6 rj45 at $5 a piece!
Very nice solution for that complex! I have had same issues with terminating a Cat7 shielded cable, just couldnt get those wires properly into those connectors. I ended up making some keystones instead, which I also usually prefer as I can then use factory made LAN cables from that to whatever unit that needs a connection. Here in my house I have a fully decked-out Unifi setup, almost enterprise level with UDM Pro, 24 port PoE Pro, 8-port Industrial, numerous Flex and Flex Minis and 4 NanoHDs+11 Protect cameras :). I had those same Nanobeams too but ended up running cat6 outdoor cable to my workshop since the Protect cameras kept getting disconnected everytime I upgraded to a new firmware on the Unifi part (?!). Anyways, I am very intrigued by that VLAN Only that you did and will see if I can mimick that here as I want to move my entire FW/SW setup to a better and temp-controlled environment elsewhere in the house. I will probably just run new cables from the 24 port keystone to another keystone in that new location once I figure that out.
I agree on the keystone. This is (or should be in most cases) the standard method for terminating to an interior space from exterior. There are some 8P8C connectors that are specced for larger-gauge cable, but should be used when space or distance constraints are an issue (such as terminating to an outdoor enclosure).
Great Video! It’s cool to see how other people set up networks for different challenging properties and buildings. I have set up a Unifi network for a lake house with the main concern being able to provide the whole property(1 acre) with high speed wifi for mobile devices and a wifi camera . The property is quite long and we have cable internet at the house which is at the very top. I connected a mesh pro AP to the router at the house and added a mesh ap at the shed halfway down the property which connected to the house mesh pro wirelessly. We were able to get decent speed wifi at the end of the dock.
It may have been already asked, but why wouldn’t you just run a fiber to the boathouse and upgrade the switch to accept? Great video, I love seeing other peoples installs.
in home use fiber is kind of pointless. no one needs that speed. just distance
I have learned alot from Crosstalk Solutions. I am a seasoned Cisco type.... so I understand alot of the talk.... just didnt know this Ubiquiti equipment. It's my intention to utilize Ubiquiti at my house... and my inlaws houses ....as we are really close to one another... then tie into the local ISP and or Cellular infrastructure available.
i had a similar situation. a house with main internet and a carriage house/garage about 150 feet behind that. instead of a wireless bridge, i just blanketed the area with a couple access points in the house, and then a wireless mesh network for the carriage house and anything outside of that range. i used all ubiquiti equipment and it worked like a charm. super simple and easy as the mesh system just needed power for the mesh access points.
I know the struggle with terminating outdoor cable, especially gel filled and gave up long ago trying to terminate it with RJ45s. You can test it and 2 days later it will fail because of strain relief issues. Much easier to punch to Keystone, place in a surface mount box, and go to a patch cord to the switch/router.
Awesome video Kris! I too have issue terminating cat 7 cable’s. I can’t wait until the day that all ethernet cables are replaced with SFP fiber!! A guy can dream cant he?
That grade of cable should be terminated to keystone, which is much easier to punch vs stranding for 8P8C connectors.
Nice job. The UDM is a spectacularly good piece of kit. I've got 30 of them under management now - adding more and more as we go. Feeding them with Starlink exclusively.
Great Video, best part. "Thats what she said"
The local ISP uses a Mikrotik LHG 2 or a LHG XL 2 as the CPE here. Also the second CPE is a Mikrotik SXTsq 2.
The only thing that I may have done differently is to use single mode fiber to connect the boathouse to the upper house in order to avoid any kind of electrical surge from storms.
Great video and great project. I would have liked to have seen a little more on the VLAN setup of that 8-port switch you've got the dual WAN connections feeding into. You detailed the setup for ports 7 and 8 nicely, that all makes sense. But what about the network tagging for the connection up to the UDM-SE and the connection for the WiFi there at the boat house? How did you essentially make that switch sit both between the WAN and the router as well as on the router's network all over a single cable? I think I'm missing something.
With VLANs you can "split" a Cable into multiple completely seperate cables (the total bandwith is obviously still limited to the link speed)
@@n.l3880 True, but I guess I'm curious about how it is setup in the UniFi controller specifically. I'm assuming the feed to the UDM is connected to a port with All set for its network profile, and then the AP is probably connected with just the Secure/Guest profiles. But if the main feed port is set to All, how does the switch not go insane trying to decide if it is a part of either of the WAN networks or the LAN network?
@@angrybatvoice The boat house tags the VLANs (3&4) on Ports 7/8, the Port 1 (I think) is a trunk port carrying both VLANs to the UDM-SE. Unsure what port on the UDM-SE he used to terminate that connection, but that one would be configured as a trunk as well. From there, he had port 7/8 on the UDM-SE configured to be VLAN3&4, which then untagged traffic flows out, and he physically connected Port 7/8 to the WAN1/WAN2 ports on the UDM-SE which expect untagged traffic.
The rest of the ports would not be trunks, etc, they would just be configured for another specific VLAN, I suspect he used VLAN1 for Secure, and VLAN2 for Guest. So only untagged traffic is going out of those, which none would be for VLAN3/4.
The traffic coming into the UDM from the boat house will always be tagged with either VLAN 3 or VLAN 4, that's how the UDM keeps it straight if it's WAN or LAN. Anything LAN will be presumably VLAN1/2.
@@angrybatvoice switches will always try to get an ip from the native untagged vlan 1 unless you go into unifi-services-management network and specify which network you want it to land on. It will never send a DHCP request to a tagged network unless that tagged network is set as the native vlan.
@@ZippyDooDa435 Nope - Port 6 is the Trunk - there is a black Cat 6 cable connected - you can see it on the video. Port 1 is used for the Acces Point.
Awesome work man, love the vlan trickery, its brilliant - I totally would have ran the 3 wires up that conduit until I saw this video.