I have flown this approach over 100 times in MSFS and was astonished the moment your video started I knew exactly where you were coming up on Lake Perris (the one with the island) and March Air Force Base in front of you. I would also guess you were coming from somewhere like Phoenix to be coming from that direction since coming from somewhere like Vegas would normally have you come in over Ontario. Anyway it was nice to see the fidelity on my sim is pretty high because the landmarks I saw on this video were so familiar to what I see in the sim. Thanks for posting.
I'm terrified of heights but I watched this entire video because it was fascinating to watch you fly over cities, landmarks, and places that I know so well. I don't live too far from SNA. Cool video!
That's interesting. Now that they have the Airport plates (airport diagram ) if that's the right terminology on the screens! Pretty cool, That way you don't have to reach for the book that has the airport diagrams.
We used to live about ten miles north of the airport when Air Cal flew Lockheed Electras. Our dog would go bats**t chasing planes out of our air space.
I remember when the Electra was the main aircraft in and out of the Bay Area. It was the dawn of the jet age and I would go out on the 2nd floor tarmac viewing area at SFO and watch planes take off and land. There were times when the gate agent would let me go onboard and look around unaccompanied, collect first class menus and have a great day. Times have certainly changed.
Well we dont just flick switches for fun haha, every switch has a different function, from turning on and off exterior lights, to autopilot modes and knobs, to turning on the APU during descent
This is my airport!! You have hands-free driving, just like my MBZ, NOT!! Yeah at 3:40 the passengers are doing the same thing, getting antsy. The ground speed looks so slow.
I made dozens of landings at KSNA flying a Boeing 757 from 2000-2015. The key to a safe landing on just 5,700 feet of runway was to violate SOP and by ducking below the glideslope on short final. Crossing the threshold one dot low on the ILS glide slope led to a safe landing. Those who rigidly adherered to SOP and crossed the threshold preciscely on the glide slope paid the price in trying to stop. Those mostly ex-military pilots did not know there is a time to adhere to SOP and a time to deviate, with common sense and safety being the arbiter of their actions.
Interesting. Is MSFS total fantasy because I have done autoland at 620k lbs landing weight (not heavy but also not light) with the 747-800 at KSNA and that perfectly follows glideslope and had no problems making the stop with autobrakes on level 3 (but I do pretty much burn through the whole runway doing it). Also no problem in A320 with hand landing following glideslope and moderate weight (sorry I don't recall the landing weight for that one). What sort of landing weights were you handling? Also don't the QARs rat you out to maintenance and corporate that you were running a low descent rate on final? Obviously I am not a pilot but I really would like to know your thoughts. Edit: I also know that nothing near the size of a 747 would ever land there IRL I just do it occasional when fooling around, like landing an F-18 on Catalina and crazy crap like that.
Why are you flying into somewhere that you don’t have the performance numbers for? If you have the performance numbers, you don’t need to “duck below” anything.
I have flown hundreds of flights into SNA in both Boeing and Airbus aircraft over my 25+ year airline career, every single one on profile and within established SOP. Greased most of them on and cleared by echo. And no, I’m not ex military. 5700’ of runway is plenty if on profile and stabilized. You are doing a disservice to the piloting profession to advocate for breaking/making your own rules.
Is he right seat, typically the copilot, reading from a checklist… I hope? And I didn’t hear much call back confirmation from left seat, the PIC I guess. Infact should have an app for that, or does the aircraft give you prompts. Old private pilot wondering.
17:40 captain driving needs to NOT stop on that side of the hold short line. He’s gonna get violated someday doing that shit. I know the excuse is going to be “he was still rolling, eventually clearing”, but that isn’t going to fly with ATC.
I see no issues, he never stopped until after he was clear of the hold short line and if ATC wanted him clear the bars faster they would have told him to expedite his exit.
Yup, even when flying small GA, I always keep it moving until I am clear of the hold short line. That's the way I was taught. However, interestingly, AIM 4-3-20 states, "An aircraft is considered clear of the runway when all parts of the aircraft are past the runway edge, and there are no restrictions to its continued movement beyond the runway holding position markings." It is implied that an aircraft can be considered clear of the runway BEFORE it is beyond the hold short line.
U hold short going into an active runway not when exiting. If u notice the lines they are segmented meaning you’re allowed to cross without clearance unless told otherwise. He did his job nothing wrong there at all
Ha we saw you that day. I was looking up your tail number. My boys and me always go to the Lyon Museum and watch the airplanes coming and going 😀then randomly your channel got recommended.
I made the mistake of taking flying lessons at SNA. The Flying Club instructor insisted we head out to a "practice area" over the ocean breakwater south of LA/Long Beach. (Right in the middle of departing traffic from two busy airports instead of out over Lake Forest/Mission Viejo.) So we were concentrating on my ability to track the breakwater at about 2,500 feet and here comes a Cessna departing from Long Beach who flew straight at our 3 o'clock and passed below us by less than 300 feet. I turned it around, went back to SNA and haven't flown since. I was so pissed at the instructor I got out of the airplane and walked away with the master switch on and without further contact. That was it for me.
Haha it’s a bit of a learning curve but the John Wayne controllers are all absolute pro’s, recognized the tower controller’s voice as soon as they switched he’s always on his game like that
Crazy coincidence. I was watching this video as KSNA is my home airport when I hear myself on comms (15:41)! I'm Cirrus N23152.....
@@PaulWasserman No way! so cool
Cirrus 23152?? You're kidding, right....? California Vehicle Code....! 😂🤣😂🛩🍺🍺🍺
@@SMH24.7 Ha! Yeah. Former prosecutor and criminal attorney. Ya know if ya know! :)
At 14:57 you can see in the upper left, the Tustin Hangers. You can also clearly see the hanger that burned down last year.
Flew over my house! I look up and watch in awe as planes make that turn to Final for SNA.
@ 7:52 you were over Lake Matthews near Corona. I fly over Lake Matthews from KCNO all the time.
You know it's a busy day when that controller is on, sometimes hard to hear him say callsigns but he holds this place down like a beast!
I have flown this approach over 100 times in MSFS and was astonished the moment your video started I knew exactly where you were coming up on Lake Perris (the one with the island) and March Air Force Base in front of you. I would also guess you were coming from somewhere like Phoenix to be coming from that direction since coming from somewhere like Vegas would normally have you come in over Ontario. Anyway it was nice to see the fidelity on my sim is pretty high because the landmarks I saw on this video were so familiar to what I see in the sim. Thanks for posting.
Great videos!, new fan here, is the yoke P/T switch the only way you can transmit to ATC or do you have another one?
@@PiSkiS320 hey, welcome, you also have a backup handheld microphone
Nice video! Looks like a few of our birds crossed your path after landing 😊 18:42 N97674 N5466D
Love this. Thanks. You flew over my house about 5 miles out.
@@jimmorales4869 Glad you liked it 🙏
I'm terrified of heights but I watched this entire video because it was fascinating to watch you fly over cities, landmarks, and places that I know so well. I don't live too far from SNA. Cool video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
How do you notify the passengers you're getting ready to land? I've seen a few of your videos and i have not noticed this.
@@icecream_2987 we turn on the seatbelts sign at about 10,000 feet, and we talk to them throughout the flight
I work at Nantucket airport and had the pleasure to meet you a week or so ago then got your channel recommended. the coincidence
@@drk_reaperx Tune in on July 8th at 7 EST the video from Nantucket will be posted 💪
@@drk_reaperx thanks for all you do at ACK! It gets crazy there!
I'm new to your channel and have a love and passion for aviation. These videos are amazing man keep up the good work 👏
Thanks, will do!
That's interesting. Now that they have the Airport plates (airport diagram ) if that's the right terminology on the screens! Pretty cool, That way you don't have to reach for the book that has the airport diagrams.
We used to live about ten miles north of the airport when Air Cal flew Lockheed Electras. Our dog would go bats**t chasing planes out of our air space.
I remember when the Electra was the main aircraft in and out of the Bay Area. It was the dawn of the jet age and I would go out on the 2nd floor tarmac viewing area at SFO and watch planes take off and land. There were times when the gate agent would let me go onboard and look around unaccompanied, collect first class menus and have a great day. Times have certainly changed.
Great video!
@@firepilot109 Thanks!
Nice video…Great pilots!
I love the cockpit.
That’s what she said.
Great video
@@cqnnqn Thanks!
Not a pilot here but can someone explain to me what the button mashing is for? The random buttons the co pilot is messing with
Well we dont just flick switches for fun haha, every switch has a different function, from turning on and off exterior lights, to autopilot modes and knobs, to turning on the APU during descent
"Which cameras do you use for the audio to pass through like that?"
I have the Hero 12 connected to the planes audio
and the Max record normal sound, and then I combine them in post
@@TheChallengerPilot thank you so much ive been wanting to record my aviation flights but have to ATC audio in them just the video noise this helps
This is recent. You can see the hangar that an aronist burned down. Still super sad about that one. I’m glad the other one is still standing.
This is my airport!! You have hands-free driving, just like my MBZ, NOT!! Yeah at 3:40 the passengers are doing the same thing, getting antsy. The ground speed looks so slow.
I made dozens of landings at KSNA flying a Boeing 757 from 2000-2015. The key to a safe landing on just 5,700 feet of runway was to violate SOP and by ducking below the glideslope on short final. Crossing the threshold one dot low on the ILS glide slope led to a safe landing. Those who rigidly adherered to SOP and crossed the threshold preciscely on the glide slope paid the price in trying to stop. Those mostly ex-military pilots did not know there is a time to adhere to SOP and a time to deviate, with common sense and safety being the arbiter of their actions.
Sounds about right, thanks for sharing
My first thought after reading the 1st line of your post: Yikes better not float too much or power on and Go Around
Interesting. Is MSFS total fantasy because I have done autoland at 620k lbs landing weight (not heavy but also not light) with the 747-800 at KSNA and that perfectly follows glideslope and had no problems making the stop with autobrakes on level 3 (but I do pretty much burn through the whole runway doing it). Also no problem in A320 with hand landing following glideslope and moderate weight (sorry I don't recall the landing weight for that one). What sort of landing weights were you handling? Also don't the QARs rat you out to maintenance and corporate that you were running a low descent rate on final?
Obviously I am not a pilot but I really would like to know your thoughts.
Edit: I also know that nothing near the size of a 747 would ever land there IRL I just do it occasional when fooling around, like landing an F-18 on Catalina and crazy crap like that.
Why are you flying into somewhere that you don’t have the performance numbers for? If you have the performance numbers, you don’t need to “duck below” anything.
I have flown hundreds of flights into SNA in both Boeing and Airbus aircraft over my 25+ year airline career, every single one on profile and within established SOP. Greased most of them on and cleared by echo. And no, I’m not ex military. 5700’ of runway is plenty if on profile and stabilized. You are doing a disservice to the piloting profession to advocate for breaking/making your own rules.
Is he right seat, typically the copilot, reading from a checklist… I hope? And I didn’t hear much call back confirmation from left seat, the PIC I guess. Infact should have an app for that, or does the aircraft give you prompts. Old private pilot wondering.
@@robertmaltbie1188 Yea we have an electronic checklist on the right MFD
I was at the Airport that airport that day!
What are the grey knobs you are turning
@@ericcostes5939 Autopilot modes and controls
Audio problems???
very good ,keep those challenger video comming
thanks, I have a bunch of videos coming
I love flying out of John Wayne, way better than LAX 😂
17:40 captain driving needs to NOT stop on that side of the hold short line. He’s gonna get violated someday doing that shit. I know the excuse is going to be “he was still rolling, eventually clearing”, but that isn’t going to fly with ATC.
You’d rather him make that turn at 70 kts, and have to slam on the brakes cause of the Cessna passing by? 😂
I see no issues, he never stopped until after he was clear of the hold short line and if ATC wanted him clear the bars faster they would have told him to expedite his exit.
Yup, even when flying small GA, I always keep it moving until I am clear of the hold short line. That's the way I was taught. However, interestingly, AIM 4-3-20 states, "An aircraft is considered clear of the runway when all parts of the aircraft are past the runway edge, and there are no restrictions to its continued movement beyond the runway holding position markings."
It is implied that an aircraft can be considered clear of the runway BEFORE it is beyond the hold short line.
U hold short going into an active runway not when exiting. If u notice the lines they are segmented meaning you’re allowed to cross without clearance unless told otherwise. He did his job nothing wrong there at all
@wawa9468 No, he is talking about getting to the other side of the hold short line as soon as possible. These guys were taking their time.
Any experience with SIDs at SNA? I heard it's pretty unique
only had reposition flights out of SNA to VNY so we got radar vectors just to cross LA, didn’t get a chance to experience those SID’s just yet
Not sure what is unique about it. I do them all the time, it’s just a regular SID.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 The OP was probably referring to the noise abatement procedure that’s pretty famous.
Ha we saw you that day. I was looking up your tail number. My boys and me always go to the Lyon Museum and watch the airplanes coming and going 😀then randomly your channel got recommended.
Haha nice!
tune in next week when they land
I made the mistake of taking flying lessons at SNA. The Flying Club instructor insisted we head out to a "practice area" over the ocean breakwater south of LA/Long Beach. (Right in the middle of departing traffic from two busy airports instead of out over Lake Forest/Mission Viejo.) So we were concentrating on my ability to track the breakwater at about 2,500 feet and here comes a Cessna departing from Long Beach who flew straight at our 3 o'clock and passed below us by less than 300 feet. I turned it around, went back to SNA and haven't flown since. I was so pissed at the instructor I got out of the airplane and walked away with the master switch on and without further contact. That was it for me.
Departures are fun when pilots throttle back before the shoreline so the people in Newport Beach don’t get bothered in their pools.
New to this stream but the pnf is a little pushy and I could tell he was annoying the flying guy. He needs to let him fly the plane.
The ATC scares me so much. These people eat words, can't understand shit.
@@SauloMogi hahah, you get used to it.
it all comes together at some point haha
Haha it’s a bit of a learning curve but the John Wayne controllers are all absolute pro’s, recognized the tower controller’s voice as soon as they switched he’s always on his game like that