Haven't watched the video fully but Starfruit spam immediately comes to mind. They have quite high single target damage, they beat Bungees, shred Gargs & make imps non-existent and they are also cheap and easy to replace after Van attack.
I always thought the zomboss was pretty weak for a final boss because the conveyor made it easy to plant a lot of water melons but perhaps that was a blessing in disguise.
@@unskriptd then how is he a zombie? Prob that is brains stored up with lots of info (coz he is smart and all other zombies are dumb) about how to crush you and get that last brain that remains on earth
At 1:30 I see the "hell cycle" big rip That happens if he stays between 20% and 50% health lost for two cycles, and he basically spams zombies and camper vans for potentially several minutes. It can sometimes make even the regular fight difficult so getting it in this challenge sounds horrible...and potentially unavoidable since you're doing less damage than the normal fight anyway.
This could actually be great if the level was balanced around the sun system like Crazy Dave comes up and says here I was keeping this extra sun in a jar incase aliens invaded but it seems like you will need it now and you start with 2500 sun also sunflowers get a small boost it would really be cool and much better than the easy conveyor
Finally, a boss fight that actually makes sense (Seriously tho, how tf does a zombot stomp easily squish plants but not destroy the actual roof on the usual level)
I mean I guess that’s why the zombies had to attack either The back door, roof(chimney) or the front door; The actual house itself was an impenetrable super fort. XD it even survives mini nukes in the form of the Doomshrooms.
I feel like this would be a good alternative to the zomboss revenge minigame instead of just the same match over again. It gives the hard-core players an extra challenge.
Well that’s how it was in the original boss fight, nighttime on the roof. There would still be sun costs but that would be balanced out by being able to use the shrooms since you’re not blocked by the roof and Sunshrooms becoming a very good disposable secondary Sunflower. What I’m interested in is if this can be done with the pool or if you’re enough of a madman, survival:fog. But sadly I have a feeling Zomboss doesn’t know what to do with pool zombies. He may just try to place normal land zombies on the pool and the game would either crash or have the zombies walking on water. Then it will be time to fight zombie Jesus gargantua. XD
Fun fact, in this attempt, suns didn't fall from the sky and since it's day time, making it much harder because Ice shroom now requires a coffee bean. Making it in survival night actually makes the level a bit easier.
@@ubre_insania i dont think that people who got to the final boss for the first time would like zomboss being way too hard for everyone but the pros and even then it would be hard for the pros
This would've been a dope endgame though lol imagine 5 flags 1st is day front 2nd is night front 3rd is day pool 4th is fog 5th is the normal roof night then after we finish the flags, zomboss will lean in and his hp bar will appear.
This is somewhat what Zomboss fight shoulda been like, but with more limitations and added features. It should be night so then the ice shrooms can be used without coffee bean, and more
@@ZoofyZoofhere? In the beginning there was barely any sun from the sky... If you noticed, the level doesn't show the waves, meaning that unlees they changed the config, then it's impossible for sun to drop.
Since this fight wasn't supposed to happen, stuff like fire projectiles and Cherry Bomb don't stop the iceball, and ice projectiles don't stop the fireball. Umbrella Leaf couldn't repel the van.
That was really entertaining. The way you edited the video carefully by speeding done parts up and slowing down at interesting parts made for great pacing
@@caocuongnguyen9058 Thats from brutal mod. Its not on the original game. Level 6-10 of the original game (unused level that can be accessed through cheat engine) is just a day level with the zombies from 5-9. Just like every other unused world 6 level, except for a few that contain zombie peashooters for some reason.
Very nice Touhou music choices. But congrats! It looked like it was a hellish grind, but you did it in the end. This should've been in the base game as it would really test out people's ability in the game.
holy shit, thanks for making this comment dude I usually watch these videos with sounds but today I decided to watch it on mute because I was at a public place and these kind of pvz videos with "written commentary" don't really have any interesting sounds. After watching the video once I probably wouldn't have revisited it with volume on. But now that you made this comment I will. In the future. That's all, thanks
this is perhaps the first PvZ video i’ve ever seen that has touhou music as bgm… and i’m not complaining good job and nice taste in music, cultured man 👍
@@GeneralJon I know I definitely wouldn’t mind, as long as you have enough to talk about I’m sure it would be just as good as your other content It’s always nice to try something new. But if it doesn’t work out you can always come back to PvZ for a reliable source of content. I’ll watch whatever you make!🙌
This reminds me of that one level from the Sun Bean epic quest in Eclise where you would have to use plants from the conveyor belt that actually cost sun
3:18 not to be that person but math is a wonder it's 1200 since each winter melon is 500 in total (300 for normal melon 200 for upgrade) making it 1000 for both, then 100 more for the umbrella leaf, and lastly the final 100 from the two sunflowers.
A little bit sad, that you end up with a sun debt. 1k more in the end, and you would be able to return it to Dave, now you owe him. And he is crazy, so it's dangerous for you.
@@GeneralJon As the first player who beat 6-10, I think your challenge is way harder: i can't imagine deal against Zomboss wihtout the kernel put launghing the cob. An ask: isn't starfruit a better choice than Watermelon or seems they are, but they aren't?
it's funny how the conveyer makes the regular level very easy, but regular economy makes it insanely hard. there's probably a happy medium somewhere... probably
For a moment I was like "But plants always cost sun? Is this a meme challenge video" then I realised it was supposed to be a conveyor level and felt a bit dumb
You could’ve just done the strat where you let him take out all lawn mowers in every lane except the middle and then just spam sunflowers in the other lanes for infinite sun and then you’re good. Edit: I realize he tried this but he didn’t do it correctly. He only had a single melon pult in the middle lane. I was thinking something along the lines of repeater torchwood pumpkin spam. Yes the van would be really painful, but with how much sun you’d be getting and how fast repeaters and torchwoods recharge, I think you’d be fine.
Ik i might be late i didnt also watcg the rest of the video yet but i might think sunflowers in the back and melons with tall nuts(so the van attacks cause less damage) or you could also use the triple peashooter plant thingy with torches
Also a quick tip for anyone trying this challenge is use Hypno shroom and plant it on the top row and hypnotised zombies will be able to eat zomboss and do damage to him even when not showing his face!
If I had done it I wouldve probably given up on everything except middle lane, would've been enough for 4 melons and 1 winter melon. I would've brought pumpkin(protection) for gargs (throw) and used the remaining space for sunflower, magnet and umbrella. (5slots), my remaining slots would be used for 2jalapeno, winter, pumpkin (9slots), last one would be cherry bomb. I believe it's possible with 1k flower start.
Imagine fighting zomboss in a night level now there won’t be sun dropping from the sky and since melons are expensive and there is no sun falling from the sky it would be soooo hard
Haven't watched the video fully but Starfruit spam immediately comes to mind. They have quite high single target damage, they beat Bungees, shred Gargs & make imps non-existent and they are also cheap and easy to replace after Van attack.
yes i've seen it mr terraria
You would actually be right, but starfruit never once occured to me while beating this level lol
1 like lol
@John Hendrix He only doesn't place there if it gets triggered. If it gets crushed by one of his ball attacks he will still place zombies there
dont you mean zomboni/zamboni zobmie
I always thought the zomboss was pretty weak for a final boss because the conveyor made it easy to plant a lot of water melons but perhaps that was a blessing in disguise.
ah yes, my favourite plant, the watermelon
@@pogchimp9452 well he is not wrong
Also at 3:19 it's actually 1200 sun. You saved a measly 100 sun.(gonna be honest 100 sun doesn't even make a diffrence)
@@sylviaji2706 what
@@sylviaji2706 I think you responded to the wrong comment
When zomboss uses 100% of his brain :
yes
yes
@Conor Chickering but you can see on his head that it’s a brain
@@unskriptd then how is he a zombie? Prob that is brains stored up with lots of info (coz he is smart and all other zombies are dumb) about how to crush you and get that last brain that remains on earth
@@arunabhade783 maybe that’s all the brain he ate?
At 1:30 I see the "hell cycle"
big rip
That happens if he stays between 20% and 50% health lost for two cycles, and he basically spams zombies and camper vans for potentially several minutes. It can sometimes make even the regular fight difficult so getting it in this challenge sounds horrible...and potentially unavoidable since you're doing less damage than the normal fight anyway.
Which is the reason I kept failing MY attempt at this with no starting sun.
@@1-seed-slot-pvz-YT I tried using all mowers except the top one (so no gargs) but I never thought of glooms. I just used snow pea and repeater
@@1-seed-slot-pvz-YT Haven't tried it but I expect it to work.
This could actually be great if the level was balanced around the sun system like Crazy Dave comes up and says here I was keeping this extra sun in a jar incase aliens invaded but it seems like you will need it now and you start with 2500 sun also sunflowers get a small boost it would really be cool and much better than the easy conveyor
Oh wow that would be pretty cool! Hindsight is 20/20 ofc but damn that coulda been amazing
@@1-seed-slot-pvz-YT wallnut bowling......
That's just Last Stand without planning your defense with a lot more sun
@@1-seed-slot-pvz-YT Yeah!
2500 is a bit much
1000 should suffice honestly
Finally, a boss fight that actually makes sense
(Seriously tho, how tf does a zombot stomp easily squish plants but not destroy the actual roof on the usual level)
we will never know
Because the roof was invincible to begin with. If it can carry the whole Zombot without sweat, then it can handle a stomp.
I mean I guess that’s why the zombies had to attack either The back door, roof(chimney) or the front door; The actual house itself was an impenetrable super fort. XD it even survives mini nukes in the form of the Doomshrooms.
the player's house is secretly a nuclear bunker
@@GeneralJon **Big Brain**
I feel like this would be a good alternative to the zomboss revenge minigame instead of just the same match over again. It gives the hard-core players an extra challenge.
Exactly what I was thinking
Me too
And Zomboss's Revenge can be relegated to the second playthrough of adventure mode
Imagine if it was nightime Zomboss fight
Well that’s how it was in the original boss fight, nighttime on the roof. There would still be sun costs but that would be balanced out by being able to use the shrooms since you’re not blocked by the roof and Sunshrooms becoming a very good disposable secondary Sunflower.
What I’m interested in is if this can be done with the pool or if you’re enough of a madman, survival:fog. But sadly I have a feeling Zomboss doesn’t know what to do with pool zombies. He may just try to place normal land zombies on the pool and the game would either crash or have the zombies walking on water. Then it will be time to fight zombie Jesus gargantua. XD
Having an Access to doom shroom is nice
@@anggaadandiputra8450 zomboss is fucking dead lmao
Wouldn't change much of anything tbh
Fun fact, in this attempt, suns didn't fall from the sky and since it's day time, making it much harder because Ice shroom now requires a coffee bean. Making it in survival night actually makes the level a bit easier.
Bro the music is such a banger!
Ok cool gameplay ig
Jk jk both are good, keep up your work!
Woah, you're saying something that ItsPforPea would say
If you're talking about the first song after the game starts, look up Touhou music
@@reimuthemiko5871 That's something someone with the username "ReimuTheMiko" would say
this should be an actual thing, just with every plant having its price down
it was possible without that, maybe pre-picked plants tho.
@@ubre_insania full price would be too much of a dramatic increase in difficulty coming out of 5-9
@@Pusheeen_ Still possible it seems.
@@ubre_insania i dont think that people who got to the final boss for the first time would like zomboss being way too hard for everyone but the pros and even then it would be hard for the pros
@@1-seed-slot-pvz-YT As CatGamer666 typed, many people would not like it that hard.
I would like it like that thought.
Dr. Zomboss has phases? interesting; I always thought he just spawned zombies randomly after the first cycle
I didn't even know he had "cycles"
This would've been a dope endgame though lol
imagine 5 flags
1st is day front
2nd is night front
3rd is day pool
4th is fog
5th is the normal roof night
then after we finish the flags, zomboss will lean in and his hp bar will appear.
yooo that'd be hella awesome
BOSS RUSH
This is somewhat what Zomboss fight shoulda been like, but with more limitations and added features. It should be night so then the ice shrooms can be used without coffee bean, and more
I like the fact that no one realized that suns didn't come from the sky and it's day time, making the Ice Shroom much more expensive.
There IS sun falling from the sky.
@@ZoofyZoofwatch again, all the suns came from sunflowers.
@@shinhikaru No. You watch again. There are suns falling from the sky. Do not tell me I'm wrong when I made sure I'm right.
@@ZoofyZoofhere? In the beginning there was barely any sun from the sky... If you noticed, the level doesn't show the waves, meaning that unlees they changed the config, then it's impossible for sun to drop.
@@shinhikaru 4:19 you can clear see a sun falling from the sky near Zomboss' face.
Since this fight wasn't supposed to happen, stuff like fire projectiles and Cherry Bomb don't stop the iceball, and ice projectiles don't stop the fireball. Umbrella Leaf couldn't repel the van.
I mean, only the Cherry bomb makes sense.
A van is way to heavy for a plant dude
@@grid8608 and a massive robot is way to heavy for a roof
@@Partiallyinteresting410 Not if it’s made out of Minecraft bed rock
What next? Dr zomboss in a foggy pool?
menu.
@@sadnoob2853 what
@@Someone-gp1yf yeah !
Its all fun and games until the fireball floats on the pool
@@Someone-gp1yf hes saying dont even try, just go to the menu and leave
That was really entertaining. The way you edited the video carefully by speeding done parts up and slowing down at interesting parts made for great pacing
imagine if magnet shroom just instakilled zomboss. Just pulls them in and crushes.
You will need 45 magnet shroom for this lol
your determination is unmatched dude, love your videos. keep up the good work
The unused Zombotany track would be great for this.
This might just be my new favourite video on the channel
The dramatic music truly makes this video. Poetic cinema...
Damn imagine if it was real level
I will say one word... P a i n
Maybe a minigame?
Pvz brutal would like to say hi
It is 6-10 PvZ Beta, and on the roof
@@caocuongnguyen9058 Thats from brutal mod. Its not on the original game. Level 6-10 of the original game (unused level that can be accessed through cheat engine) is just a day level with the zombies from 5-9. Just like every other unused world 6 level, except for a few that contain zombie peashooters for some reason.
Very nice Touhou music choices.
But congrats! It looked like it was a hellish grind, but you did it in the end. This should've been in the base game as it would really test out people's ability in the game.
holy shit, thanks for making this comment dude
I usually watch these videos with sounds but today I decided to watch it on mute because I was at a public place and these kind of pvz videos with "written commentary" don't really have any interesting sounds.
After watching the video once I probably wouldn't have revisited it with volume on. But now that you made this comment I will. In the future. That's all, thanks
this is perhaps the first PvZ video i’ve ever seen that has touhou music as bgm…
and i’m not complaining
good job and nice taste in music, cultured man 👍
so the zomboss is really strong, the game just give you to many plants when you fight it
Great video like always! You’re really good at this, but I’d love to see what else you like to play! but only if you want to of course 👍
i've considered making videos on other games I enjoy, but I don't think I'm actually good enough in those games lol
@@GeneralJon I know I definitely wouldn’t mind, as long as you have enough to talk about I’m sure it would be just as good as your other content
It’s always nice to try something new. But if it doesn’t work out you can always come back to PvZ for a reliable source of content. I’ll watch whatever you make!🙌
This reminds me of that one level from the Sun Bean epic quest in Eclise where you would have to use plants from the conveyor belt that actually cost sun
I think that was Sun Bean's quest
@@wenjinzhuo9199 ah right sry
Just re-edited it
3:18 not to be that person but math is a wonder
it's 1200 since each winter melon is 500 in total (300 for normal melon 200 for upgrade) making it 1000 for both, then 100 more for the umbrella leaf, and lastly the final 100 from the two sunflowers.
This is what Zomboss should've been (or at least what the rematch should've been)
Great video!
After all this time, I never knew zomboss had phases, I just thought it was just visual indicators
A little bit sad, that you end up with a sun debt. 1k more in the end, and you would be able to return it to Dave, now you owe him. And he is crazy, so it's dangerous for you.
So basically, zomboss is nearly impossible to beat without a conveyor
all im saying is this should've been modern day's final boss
And also This is like 6-10 in brutal but with less zombies
and less op plants
@@GeneralJon As the first player who beat 6-10, I think your challenge is way harder: i can't imagine deal against Zomboss wihtout the kernel put launghing the cob.
An ask: isn't starfruit a better choice than Watermelon or seems they are, but they aren't?
Finally someone who places the damage plants behind the sunflowers.
When the zomboss becomes God-Eater
it's funny how the conveyer makes the regular level very easy, but regular economy makes it insanely hard.
there's probably a happy medium somewhere... probably
If I was zomboss I would just walk over the plants and get out of the robot once I got near the house
Is that a Gensokyo Millenium ~ history of the moon arrangement i hear at the beginning?
nvm it is lol
Imagine if the umbrella leaf deflected the van? 3:15
I like how Jon is calling Zomboss "The Zomboss" It sounds like Its the name of the zombot.. for some reason.
For a moment I was like "But plants always cost sun? Is this a meme challenge video" then I realised it was supposed to be a conveyor level and felt a bit dumb
You could’ve just done the strat where you let him take out all lawn mowers in every lane except the middle and then just spam sunflowers in the other lanes for infinite sun and then you’re good.
Edit: I realize he tried this but he didn’t do it correctly. He only had a single melon pult in the middle lane. I was thinking something along the lines of repeater torchwood pumpkin spam. Yes the van would be really painful, but with how much sun you’d be getting and how fast repeaters and torchwoods recharge, I think you’d be fine.
The neighbors: Oh I see a giant robot zombie boss and zombies outside guess I won't call the cops
Man this could be the Dr. Zomboss revenge if Popcap realized
One line to describe this challenge:
"We are blessed and cursed"
I wonder what the zombie hierarchy would look like. My thought would be Dr. Zomboss then imp.
imagine if this was the normal zomboss fight and the revenge one is during the night
At first i didn't know i was like "wait dont plants already cost sun?" Then soon i remember it was a conveyer belt
brutal mode 6-10: easy mode:
THIS should be Dr. Zomboss' Revenge but what we ended up is just the rehash.
Popcap let us off easily by giving us free plants on the boss fight
Now do it on roof.
The music was a wow.
I was about to comment that
Hmm, how about night roof. It would be much more challenging
Rest in Peace all of our fallen plant comrads who got squished by the van 😔✊
Is the background music a Tohou music cause myghad the Zun-nes can be heard
Pennys persuit players: ive seen this one before!
Anyone else: what do you mean you've seen it? It's brand new
Awesome video, love the background music
Me reading the video title
*Me a few seconds later
*Visible Confusion*
They should have done this for Pvz2's final boss
lol i respect you for giving yourself so much pain
I'm a simple man.
I see GeneralJon, I click
This is the first time other plants can see dr zomboss instead of melon pult kernel pult cabbage pult flower pot jalapeño and ice shroom lol
Ah yes, videos with touhou musics always help me to relax, nice content
We have seen someone beaten Zomboss Fight, Survival Day....
Next up: Zomboss Fight, Survival Night
Average plants vs zombies brutal mode level 6-10 experience.
TIL: Bungees can't take a sleeping ice shroom, probably all of the sleeping shrooms as well
I want to know how he got this to work in the first place.
i wont miss any videos you upload ok love your vids btw
It'd be cool if it was possible to put the zomboss on the pool stage, just imagine him delivering duck tube Zombies on the water
Nicely done! Now do it without sunflowers :)
... Only joking, I don't think anyone wants to put you through that much pain haha
Its impossible
sun shrooms aren't sunflowers
for the pc users out there, he used pvz tools spawner(I think), there is also normal pvz tools, it's really fun and good to waste time lol
I like how you insert Touhou song in this difficult version of PvZ
Imagine this:
Dr. zomboss fight on the roof in the day with no conveyor belts.
pvz brutal mode level 6-10 💀
When zombies have brains
Ik i might be late i didnt also watcg the rest of the video yet but i might think sunflowers in the back and melons with tall nuts(so the van attacks cause less damage) or you could also use the triple peashooter plant thingy with torches
When zomboss has had enough
Finally a boss fight that isn’t like those clickbait video with 9999 gargantuars vs 9999 fire peashooter like it doesn’t make sense but this one does
Unexpected touhou music
We found ourselves a touhou fan
Always has been
@@ItsPForPea :O it's all connected
Theres aren't enough Conehead, Buckethead Screendoor Zombie in the battle which annoy me
??? Wdym
This is like playing Penny's Pursuit on Plants vs. Zombies 2 but much harder
Good video, better than last time.
brutal mode & brutal mode EX: we already have that, but much harder.
The real problem here is that we're just hearing the regular Survival Day Music. Don't get me wrong, I love it-but it's no Brainiac Maniac
Also a quick tip for anyone trying this challenge is use Hypno shroom and plant it on the top row and hypnotised zombies will be able to eat zomboss and do damage to him even when not showing his face!
If I had done it I wouldve probably given up on everything except middle lane, would've been enough for 4 melons and 1 winter melon. I would've brought pumpkin(protection) for gargs (throw) and used the remaining space for sunflower, magnet and umbrella. (5slots), my remaining slots would be used for 2jalapeno, winter, pumpkin (9slots), last one would be cherry bomb.
I believe it's possible with 1k flower start.
Ahh, no wonder.
I was surprised to hear Touhou music on a PvZ video.
aaand someone beat you. They beat zomboss with 0 starting sun and 7 slots.
???????
If zomboss is actully hard:
LOOKS FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Imagine fighting zomboss in a night level now there won’t be sun dropping from the sky and since melons are expensive and there is no sun falling from the sky it would be soooo hard
Bish what
Sun didn't even drop in this video
@@No-pi1wo this is an old comment -_- and I saw that no sun was dropping but still if it was at night time it would be harder
@@unskriptd it wouldn't be because puff shroom
Zomboss takes someone's brain then use it to think a plan
i really appreciate the use of touhou music
Unpolular opinion: This would be a better final boss if it was like that, I don't know I think it would be more epic this way.
the (actual) real megalovania
The sunflower got squashed and used as a meatshield be like: *T h i s i s f i n e*
Very epik content dude i subscribed
pog vid! anyways good gameplay and quality content! :) edit: wow the music is such a banger! anyways both are good and nice video! :)
You suffered that bad...I think you deserve my "like".