Frankie Boyle (a controversial comedian in a similar vein to Jack being a controversial UA-camr). Earthling Ed (I’m aware you’ve brought him up before. Arguably the biggest activist in his field). Chris Stuckmann (a film reviewer who went viral upon sharing his story of growing up in an abusive cult). Michael Bublé (just to make Stevie happy).
She wanted to be known as the best nurse. Noticing things and saving babies when no one else could. Getting put anywhere at work but with the sickest of the babies was a slight to her. She hurt babies to make herself look good and to make other nurses look bad! They were nothing to her! 😰
@SmarterThanTheAverageUA-camr it all came as a shock because all though they didn't really talk and weren't friends, she was friendly and unassuming to my aunt. When you find out a person you know, even if not very well, is a killer, and they kill during the job you've hired them for, that can mess you up a bit.
Lucy is plain and simply a serial killer not a psychopath she took trophies continuously kept returning to the scene of her first kill nothing mentally wrong with her, such an unusual case
It's a myth that most serial killers are insane or mentally ill. It's only like 20% who have psychosis or some other severe psychiatric disorder. Otherwise it would be manslaughter, not murder.
I believe she got a thrill from harming effectively powerless, extremely fragile newborns and seeking attention from her colleagues when something went wrong that she caused to be seen as both the hero and victim of the ward. She caused prolonged suffered in those poor babies while seeking attention. I cannot imagine what their parents have gone through. May her victims rest in peace.
Couldn't pin him down to anything specific on the actual cases. If you want something in depth try Dr David Holmes he's done a few interviews on this and he seems so passionate about what he does
I agree,but also it's frustrating that they would appear on a podcast,were the theme is about a certain case , then ramble about not knowing..makes it somewhat of a click bait.@@aaaaamyy
Let’s be honest. She never did it. Countess of Chester Hospital is probably the culprit, with understaffing and poor hygiene. Remember the fact that the babies were in that unit, means they are already at risk of dying.
STILL is amazing and so great to see young handsome glowing MJF. He clearly adores his wife and children and he appears to still be the likable funny guy we all loved so much for helping us through the difficult 80s. He transported us to a world…….. and his physicality was so special and part of him. Extremely talented man who is trapped in his body getting worse and dealing with awful accidents. Random awful things happening to good people. Not all the good die young.
@@thomasreed49 written diary confession and her body language is enough for us to assume she did it 99.9%, always will be a tiny % tho if there isn't hard evidence. I would bet my house she did it tho
@@beauy5996 Correct myself circumstantial evidence not concrete evidence. Are you willing to put a person in prison because of something they might have done I’m not
@@thomasreed49 it was the totality of circumstantial evidence.. all of it painted a very telling picture. She even admitted that 2 of the babies must have been poisoned with insulin, only her and another staff were the only ones on shift and it wasn’t the other staff member because she wasn’t there for the others.. oh but guess who was there for ALL deaths and attempts? Even the ones she attempted to cover up by falsifying times
The catatonia sounds like the state King Henry VI was in at various times during his life. I wonder if Dr Das has looked at his case and can decide if there is enough known to diagnose?
2:35 this pic feels off. Despite the smile the body language is detached from the baby. I googled nurses holding baby and none looked like that with the arm hanging limp. Natural instinct is to tuck it in. (mum of four here)
The fact that she was present on so many shifts when babies died is suspicious, but we need to know if she actually took on a lot more shifts than anyone else? We need to see a breakdown of the full stats in this case.
I don’t trust the legal system or a psychologist who is making guesses. I’ve seen psychologists who are prejudice and lie on court documents so I take what I hear with a pinch of salt
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns-the ones we don't know we don't know.
But would it not make more sense if she wanted to make herself look good, is for those babies to survive after their collapses? Surely she would have wanted to bring them back to bask in the glory of being the nurse who revived them. Seems the reason were more sinister - rather she was enjoying the causal effect and the aftermath.
I think imprisoning a person where there isxzero evidence is suspect. I have a hunch that in time the truth about that toxic hospital will emerge. The male doctors need a good re.examination. especially the one that attended her and her parents home and was granted anonymity. That she cried over when he appeared in court. He seens acfair minded expert and he cant say yes or no....red flag. The trial should have been an open court trial with full reportage.
She was convicted only because of the medical evidence. 2 babies in her care died of insulin poisoning, others had air bubbles injected that showed up on x rays. Nobody else could have administered these.
Drivel - the cause of the problems was Letby and the second exacerbating continuing cause was the cover up by the hospital management. They even disciplined the Consultants who began to realise that the common denominator in the unexpected deaths was letby.
"...would they go to the toilet?" FFS No! They're Catatonic. Would they be incontinent, yes. This is inane and patronising. Do something else with your lives.
Mobar I have full knowledge in neonatal and other wards.. Going on like its ww1 or ww2 trauma in a HOSPITAL.... That's what wobble rooms are for wombat
Your "humour" regarding football is so ridiculously unhelpful. This is an opportunity to highlight so many things and yet you all fail on so many levels. And the "description" of Munchausen's is so very vague and protracted is pathetic. I'm thinking you all should look for different jobs?
@@jakehague1 hm incredibly interesting is certainly not what you’d describe this as but it is important to speak about these kind of problems to figure out where the system went wrong.
@@Mufcw1999 let's say for arguments sake that she is responsible for everything she is convicted for. Delving into the unfathomable ideology of putting infants at risk, ultimately killing them in some cases, in order to earn clout as a hero nurse. For me, that's interesting.
@@jakehague1 I guess some individuals may find disgusting child murderers ‘interesting’, just personally wouldn’t use that word. Normally I’d find interesting people as a positive thing, but whatever floats your boat I guess.
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You’ve had Ed Gamble.. what about James Acaster?
Frankie Boyle (a controversial comedian in a similar vein to Jack being a controversial UA-camr).
Earthling Ed (I’m aware you’ve brought him up before. Arguably the biggest activist in his field).
Chris Stuckmann (a film reviewer who went viral upon sharing his story of growing up in an abusive cult).
Michael Bublé (just to make Stevie happy).
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She wanted to be known as the best nurse. Noticing things and saving babies when no one else could. Getting put anywhere at work but with the sickest of the babies was a slight to her.
She hurt babies to make herself look good and to make other nurses look bad! They were nothing to her! 😰
Really interesting guest episode, was engaged from start to finish. Great interview 👍🏼
Thanks Grace!
Lucy worked for my aunt at the hospital. This situation took a toll.
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I'd be very interested to know what you Aunt thought of her. It would be interesting to hear some first hand accounts of her before she was caught.
@SmarterThanTheAverageUA-camr it all came as a shock because all though they didn't really talk and weren't friends, she was friendly and unassuming to my aunt. When you find out a person you know, even if not very well, is a killer, and they kill during the job you've hired them for, that can mess you up a bit.
Not so happy hour topic
Sohom was a great guest and really down to earth
Good to hear Das admit that he doesn't know something.
Lucy is plain and simply a serial killer not a psychopath she took trophies continuously kept returning to the scene of her first kill nothing mentally wrong with her, such an unusual case
Ive been waiting with bated breath for someone to come up with a diagnosis for Lucy Letby. I suppose I'll have to wait a bit longer.😢
It's a myth that most serial killers are insane or mentally ill. It's only like 20% who have psychosis or some other severe psychiatric disorder. Otherwise it would be manslaughter, not murder.
Narcissist
Covert Malignant Narcissist ..
My first injection, I gave as a student RMN, was a pre ECT atropine to a catatonic lady. 1975 😮
I dont know there is something odd about this case, i dont understand her reasoning
A desire to feel powerful. Men abuse women, women abuse kids.
It doesn't always make perfect sense though, does it?
@@davidb5173whistleblowing doesn’t make sense in your world.
I believe she got a thrill from harming effectively powerless, extremely fragile newborns and seeking attention from her colleagues when something went wrong that she caused to be seen as both the hero and victim of the ward. She caused prolonged suffered in those poor babies while seeking attention. I cannot imagine what their parents have gone through. May her victims rest in peace.
Couldn't pin him down to anything specific on the actual cases. If you want something in depth try Dr David Holmes he's done a few interviews on this and he seems so passionate about what he does
Rightly so? No self respecting psychiatrist would give uninformed opinions on cases they didn’t work on.
I agree,but also it's frustrating that they would appear on a podcast,were the theme is about a certain case , then ramble about not knowing..makes it somewhat of a click bait.@@aaaaamyy
@@rainbows9060I agree
He was my psychology criminology lecturer. Great guy.
Let’s be honest. She never did it. Countess of Chester Hospital is probably the culprit, with understaffing and poor hygiene. Remember the fact that the babies were in that unit, means they are already at risk of dying.
Happy hour. This name and the subject matter reminded me of the Ministry of Love, in the book '1984'. Double speak!
“Bundy got something out of it”
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STILL is amazing and so great to see young handsome glowing MJF. He clearly adores his wife and children and he appears to still be the likable funny guy we all loved so much for helping us through the difficult 80s. He transported us to a world…….. and his physicality was so special and part of him. Extremely talented man who is trapped in his body getting worse and dealing with awful accidents. Random awful things happening to good people. Not all the good die young.
I think there will have been warning signs when she was young but theyve been missed.
We don’t know 100% but she done what she is being accused of. There is no hard evidence.
@@thomasreed49 written diary confession and her body language is enough for us to assume she did it 99.9%, always will be a tiny % tho if there isn't hard evidence. I would bet my house she did it tho
@@thomasreed49are you joking?? She has been convicted due to the evidence against her..
@@beauy5996
Correct myself circumstantial evidence not concrete evidence. Are you willing to put a person in prison because of something they might have done I’m not
@@thomasreed49 it was the totality of circumstantial evidence.. all of it painted a very telling picture. She even admitted that 2 of the babies must have been poisoned with insulin, only her and another staff were the only ones on shift and it wasn’t the other staff member because she wasn’t there for the others.. oh but guess who was there for ALL deaths and attempts? Even the ones she attempted to cover up by falsifying times
She did have issues with her colleagues and did fall out with them
The catatonia sounds like the state King Henry VI was in at various
times during his life. I wonder if Dr Das has looked at his case and
can decide if there is enough known to diagnose?
2:35 this pic feels off. Despite the smile the body language is detached from the baby. I googled nurses holding baby and none looked like that with the arm hanging limp. Natural instinct is to tuck it in. (mum of four here)
The fact that he says he doesn’t know makes me wonder if she’s innocent…
The fact that she was present on so many shifts when babies died is suspicious, but we need to know if she actually took on a lot more shifts than anyone else? We need to see a breakdown of the full stats in this case.
I don’t trust the legal system or a psychologist who is making guesses. I’ve seen psychologists who are prejudice and lie on court documents so I take what I hear with a pinch of salt
She's in prison by proxy now isn't she? Wow Jack lmaoooo
Too soon?
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns-the ones we don't know we don't know.
Awakenings is a pretty interesting film about catanionic state with robin williams in
But would it not make more sense if she wanted to make herself look good, is for those babies to survive after their collapses?
Surely she would have wanted to bring them back to bask in the glory of being the nurse who revived them.
Seems the reason were more sinister - rather she was enjoying the causal effect and the aftermath.
Proof isn’t great she may well be innocent it’s fishy to say the least
Mmm that was enlightening .
What was the actual evidence against her? It seems off to me.
Her written diary confession did it for me.
How do you know that she didnt have any childhood trauma?
I think he means anything that was documented or that came out in the trial.
Rainbow siding with that scumbag leah tut tut tut
Susan Nelles in Canada
I think imprisoning a person where there isxzero evidence is suspect. I have a hunch that in time the truth about that toxic hospital will emerge. The male doctors need a good re.examination. especially the one that attended her and her parents home and was granted anonymity. That she cried over when he appeared in court. He seens acfair minded expert and he cant say yes or no....red flag. The trial should have been an open court trial with full reportage.
She was convicted only because of the medical evidence. 2 babies in her care died of insulin poisoning, others had air bubbles injected that showed up on x rays. Nobody else could have administered these.
Drivel - the cause of the problems was Letby and the second exacerbating continuing cause was the cover up by the hospital management. They even disciplined the Consultants who began to realise that the common denominator in the unexpected deaths was letby.
Jesus they still don't get the obvious
Psychopaths are serial killers
Andrew Lincoln
"...would they go to the toilet?" FFS No! They're Catatonic. Would they be incontinent, yes. This is inane and patronising. Do something else with your lives.
Well, the psychiatrist doesn't explain all. What nonsence.
I dont think you have any knowledge about Lucy's mind you have absolutely know idea what ii is like working in such a trauma as the NHS end of amen
He’s a doctor, he has and does work for the nhs
Mobar I have full knowledge in neonatal and other wards.. Going on like its ww1 or ww2 trauma in a HOSPITAL.... That's what wobble rooms are for wombat
The hosts’ laughter and attitudes are utterly inappropriate in this context.
Pretty underwhelming. Not a good or honest analysis and a lot of waffle and padding.
Innocent
Your "humour" regarding football is so ridiculously unhelpful. This is an opportunity to highlight so many things and yet you all fail on so many levels. And the "description" of Munchausen's is so very vague and protracted is pathetic. I'm thinking you all should look for different jobs?
Chill out Helen mate
Lucy Letby is innocent!
Bullshit
What the fuck lad get why u giving her attention
Are you 12? Her trial is all over the media
Because it is incredibly interesting.
@@jakehague1 hm incredibly interesting is certainly not what you’d describe this as but it is important to speak about these kind of problems to figure out where the system went wrong.
@@Mufcw1999 let's say for arguments sake that she is responsible for everything she is convicted for. Delving into the unfathomable ideology of putting infants at risk, ultimately killing them in some cases, in order to earn clout as a hero nurse. For me, that's interesting.
@@jakehague1 I guess some individuals may find disgusting child murderers ‘interesting’, just personally wouldn’t use that word. Normally I’d find interesting people as a positive thing, but whatever floats your boat I guess.