Dissecting A Radical Non Duality Meeting
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2024
- Wonder where the illusion of duality comes from? Dissecting a Radical Non-Duality Meeting through the lens of Neuroscience provides some intriguing answers. Is neuroscience non-duality? No . . . but in some instances it skims exceedingly close, providing evidence (in the appearance) where most presenters normally offer only what's intuited and seemingly hard to grasp. Not that there is anything to grasp . . . as seen in this video.
Like the previous video 'Is Radical Non-Duality A Delusion?' • Is Radical Non Duality... it's a dry wine of an offering again.
For further reading (and the science in this video offered more fully) I'd recommend
- Consciousness And The Social Brain by Michael S.A. Graziano
and
- How Emotions Are Made by Lisa Feldman Barrett
This Non-Duality Fun channel has a number of playlists so be sure to check out Dream Bus Tours, Non-Duality Nobody's Inn Show, Non-Duality Stand Up Comedy.
Before commenting please check out other videos as your answer maybe in another video . . .
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"The brain doesn't stop being a prediction machine in the same way the gall badder won't stop squirting bile after being to a nonduality meeting." Really puts thinking, knowledge and prediction into a different perspective! Love the daring analogies.
These clips land here with joy - welcomed as a great way to document a no-thing with logic and whatever science is available.
Brilliant. A much needed deconstruction of nonduality concepts, clear, concise, and entertaining. So nice to have something to recommend to those who write me in total confusion :)
Thanks for inviting play and humor to these ideas. It seems as though a lot of nonduality wears a smile of pleasant knowing-ness, yet I seldom hear any teacher poking fun! The sincerity with a cup of élan thing has gotten way too saturated. If the point of pointing is to engender a recognition of wholeness in an earnest seeker, what better means is there than to make the content of the head the butt of the joke? It makes so much more sense than Shakespeare analogies! Lol
Great! It seems I will be the first to comment on this video again. I always appreciate your videos.
But surely going from “there is awareness, separation, god, others” etc… to “there ISNT separation, others, solidity, god” etc.. is just jumping to another conclusion?
Just because it no longer appears that there is those things, how can it be concluded that they don’t exist universally?
Just because, in this body, it used to appear there was self and other, that there is solidity “out there”.. and then now that stopped happening, that doesn’t prove that there is in fact none of those things universally…
Where am I going wrong here?
You're not going wrong. I'm pretty sure that's a common concern and one I had too.
I suppose the neuroscience shows the universality of some of those findings. Non-duality itself offers no proof . . . which is probably why it comes across as bonkers. It is bizarre and counterintuitive to intuit no consciousness (seemingly viscerally or intuitively) and have no proof. It's possible that one day the 'consciousness is a real thing' teaching' will be the flat earthers of today. In the same way Newton once said there was no such thing as white and was disbelieved . . . and people still think we actively see outwards when instead light waves are entering the eye. It may, one day, be taught that there is only appearance and no actual dual observer who is separate.
There is nothing wrong with the appearance of duality . . . in the same way nature reflected in a pond is not a problem. So whether it becomes a scientific teaching or not doesn't matter.
Probably the most nonsensical aspect about non-duality is that there is no-one making a conclusion. That too is appearance. With no-one really anywhere who is separate, there can only be appearance . . . and even that is said tentatively . . . it’s more that no conclusions can be made because the vehicle we think we have to draw conclusions isn’t really there . . . it will act as if it is there . . . it will talk as if it is there . . . but it isn’t.
Non-duality isn’t very helpful I’m afraid. It just says this is seamless wholeness and that sense of separation is mere illusion. This may land or not . . . either way it is still appearance.
The brain may attempt to predict the truth of non-duality if it is thinking it is something to achieve . . . and if it is predicting it will have a new perspective that it will have once it is seen. But this isn't about personal achievement. The brain can't get this . . . . and there is no consciousness to know this . . . and there is no new enlightened perspective to have because there is no-one really in the body to have a perspective.
@@nondualityfun Thank you for spelling that out. Seeing it explained met the need to understand here, even though many are alleging "what is" or "this" can't be understood.
There is only what APPEARS to be happening. If awareness appears to be happening, that is what appears to be happening. The brain produces a model of awareness and that is then what appears to be happening. There appears to be separation but there is none. There is not two. There is no actual separation even though it appears to be the case.
I think that what is being said is that Nothing changes, everything is real, just the sense of I evaporates, then the mind is seen for the narrator of never ending stories, others are seen as false too, everything is just what’s happening and no one is doing it, not even a god, and what was once purely separate integrates the real and unreal the dual and non dual so that there is both God and Man. Perhaps 😂
You're not wrong. This video was made to appeal to people who think science is God and certain knowledge and rely on it completely. But the video refuses to expose that huge delusion at all. Science is based on an observer and an observed, mind or self and an external world. The video then uses the results of science to debunk the mind without also debunking science, which is just another mental construct. A " safer" conclusion might be that everything we regard as knowledge and certain inference is really just highly questionable, and circular, reasoning. Kant, Schelling, Hegel and Nietzsche were all over this stuff two hundred years ago. This isn't a new revelation.
Non duality meeting, no one turned up.
Lol!
Radical non-duality offers videos, books, meetings, etc ... in an attempt to explain that there is nothing on offer.
It's not so much that there is nothing on offer . . . as in there is no-one to offer it to . . . if anything it's quite a rude subtraction . . . It can be great to have the plug pulled. But yes the paradox is a weird one.
Awesome vid! I have had an intellectual clarity about this for some time now, although emotionally I am still very much invested in the idea of a separate person 'in here'. I suppose its logical to think that since every 'thing' is necessarily limited by the attributes it possesses that constrain it to exist in a certain way, the only true boundlessness is in nothing (or rather no-thing). Everything that seems to happen is the result of an illusory act of dividing nothing and carving out an apparent 'something' out of it, although that division can't be real since nothing (or oneness, or wholeness or whatever) doesn't leave room for a real 'something' separate from it as its all-encompassing.... This drives me nuts coz I always think of nothing as a 'something' that can be understood or conceptualized.... Anyway I'm just rambling....
It seems you revert to a materialistic paradigm / model of reality… you have confidence in that? What about the hard problem of consciousness?
I do occasionally sprinkle the videos with neuroscience . . . . but only when they intersect and point out that the self isn't there. It's a nice back up and lends a fresh look that isn't baked with the romance of seeking out something divine. There are a number of videos that deal specifically with consciousness. Usually the videos either look at consciousness as a function rather than as an ethereal divine noun, or as in the latest video which looks at consciousness as more of a mirror of self reflection and an action. It's called Best of Both Types of Non-Duality. Again there is a small addition of neuroscience but only as a way to point to the possibility that consciousness is not present as a thing . . . and instead . . . This is already everything, as it is, without a second. Or there is the video Non-duality with and without Consciousness. No neuroscience in that one.
Love it!
What a beauty ❤❤
So what’s being said is that when one goes searching one discovers that no one is real, no others 🥶 then one notices that I am just a concept too 🥶but there is still seeing, feeling, emotions, stories, there’s all this without a centre like it’s always been 🤓😁
Absolutely!
It is no wonder that concepts of non duality came from setting alone in caves for months. It is also no wonder the real guru's of non duality try to keep it a secret for the most advanced followers. Or the fish might get off the hook. The best thing about non duality is that when you become old and senile you don't have to worry about anything because your already enlightened and everything else just simply is. : )
I'm you. Your me. And that's it.
Hi Clare did you know that Rose Roes will be in Brisbane for three weeks in November.
I didn't know that! Cool! Is she coming to Sydney?
@@nondualityfun Hi Clare, I don't think so but I can check. Sorry... for some reason I thought you were Nth NSW.
@@richardcooper868 I was for a while. I did a stint in the country up there but now I'm back on the beaches down south.
Is radical non-duality awkward? I notice that they got about three sentences into the lecture in 8 minutes.
There is a distinction to be made between having internal dialogue going all the time or not. Turning it off creates some clear deficits, such as needing Todo lists for everything and being more dogmatic, but it is less fidgety. It seems unhelpful to do the radical non duality thing and acknowledge that the internal dialogue is not evidence of consciousness or a self, but to leave it there still yammering away and making you feel exhausted.
Does radical non duality offer only a change in intellectual beliefs about what is going on, or is there some practical improvement or change that comes with it?
The seeking stops . . . the need to put a spiritual spin on anything stops . . . but it's not as if there is necessarily any personal improvement. That would be like trying to improve a current in the sea when it's all water and there is no cause coming from a current. There may be humour about past attempts at improving things spiritually . . . but none of that could be helped anyhow. It was much more fun when I believed I was awake, others saw me as awake . . . there was a lot of love and bliss and clear sightedness . . . being spiritual can be a love soaked heady experience and enormously satisfying but untrue. Going for experience as being meaningful stops. All those spiritual experiences are nothing in the scheme of things. A good dream.
One still needs to go to the dentist, exercise, rely on science or alternative health practices for good health . . . but no-one is in control or has free will even though it might seem like there are decisions being made. So in the appearance some things may drop or not, somethings may be picked up, there is no rhyme nor reason.
Internal dialogue comes from the left side of the brain and that has been proven to make things up in its need to justify what's going on. The narration isn't true, one's identity isn't true, social reality isn't true . . . it's appearance and the appearance has no knowledge of a you . . . and you don't need to have knowledge about Oneness because there is no knowledge to have. All that known knowledge about Oneness being satchitananda or any other human projection is proven to be false.
It's not just an intellectual change . . . although it might be for some and that's the end of seeking. For me it was a visceral hit but so what. It's all appearance and how it lands is in the appearance . . . with no-one really separate in the appearance.
That seeking to know the meaning of life drove me for decades . . . and in the end there is nothing. It's a brilliant ending to a false idea of a real me.
@@nondualityfun I disagree with the claim that at end of the search for the meaning of life there is nothing. I suspect we do agree that we aren't going to get a meaning by rationally inspecting our circumstances and having an obviously correct meaning of life emerge from that. But meanings can be chosen. Arguably all meanings are chosen. We can choose a meaning of our life.
Despite that minor disagreement, thanks for the explanation.
Did you write with ellipses like that before you knew about radical non-duality?
@@tim57243 I wrote animations and cartoons that were all saying we are consciousness itself and separation is only a temporary and meaningless trance state and that our true self is satchitananda! I was all for busting people's trances so they could wake up and be like me!!!!! I didn't see it as arrogant . . . I wanted everyone to experience the same bliss, the same stillness and silence that lay hidden beneath trance states!! People loved it and we all considered ourselves enlightened.
Now . . . it's more of a "Oooh no other! No trance states. No consciousness. No stillness and silence. No one really experiencing anything for real. One appearance with no-one in it . . . so no instructions. If you love putting meaning onto things . . . that's what's appearing. No different from some things that I seem to love in the appearance.
I used to teach about meanings back in the day. We would play at swapping things around as a way from freeing ourselves up from meanings that were negative. There is nothing wrong with that. When someone I'm talking with is looking at bettering their life I don't mention non-duality.
It's only if in the appearance someone is interested in non-duality that this is shared . . . and hopefully in a fun way. Seeking can appear like a heavy weight that needs to be slogged through to some imagined other side . . . when it's always this . . . and the content doesn't matter.
Thanks for writing even though it appears there is a disagreement . . . that too is still This. I didn't mean a bad nothing. It's a lovely nothing . . . that includes everything.
@@nondualityfunso wht changed from all bliss and doofy to none of this shit really matters. Do you have a center of existence where your experience starts from or you don't have a center?
Whats your experience of deep sleep?
@@Iam590 There was a drop of something (and a sudden loss of the secondary viewpoint) followed by a lot of 'me-ing' and being' going on. In the me-ing and be-ing it became hard to tell which was which . . . it leaves 'what isness' and not a realisation for someone but a 'what isness' no matter what . . . . and a lot of laughter about an attempt for a character (that's dreamt) to reach somewhere . . . especially via a consciousness no-one has . . . and no-one has it already. Consciousness is an action rather than a noun. No-one has consciousness as a thing. It's an action. It's an apparent ability just not a presence. I have no experience of deep sleep.
Hi, can you do a face reveal
LOL! Sure . . . next video.
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Bypassing.
So nothing exists. I might as well go back to bed, i mean nothing may as well go nowhere. 🤡💩
It's not quite like that. If you go to bed it will be 'what is'. If you are fabulously busy it will be 'what is'. You can't go wrong with this. No-one can go right either!! It just is 'what is'. You won't be able to choose either way. A current of water doesn't choose which direction it will go . . . it is all water anyhow so it doesn't matter.
@@nondualityfun I believe non duality is nonsense, just an ego trick. You are all still dreaming, like the rest of us.
@@sophiafakevirus-ro8cc Yes! If I was saying I am no longer dreaming but you are and if I was saying I don't have an ego but you do then yes absolutely that would be nonsense. That is the traditional non-duality right there. What I'm saying is there is already no you. What there is, as 'what is' is writing your comment and it's still the 'what is' writing back. That's all there is. No need to drop an ego, no-one there to wake up from a dream. The criticism is perfect and I totally agree.
@@nondualityfun you are just playing mind games
@@sophiafakevirus-ro8cc Not my intention. Sorry if that's how it came across. All the best to you.
Sorry, but both duality and non-duality are sides of the same coin, they are both poop and illusionary. Dont be delulu people!