Gilbert Arenas Gets CHALLENGED To Defend His Anti-Euro Take
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Gilbert Arenas Is CHALLENGED To Defend HIs Crazy Euro Take as Brandon Jennings steps into Gil's Arena and fights back on Gil's idea that European NBA Players don't play defense and are ruining the league. Not only does Gil clarify his thinking regarding the defense of guys like Luka Doncic, Nikola Jokic and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander he also defines how their existence changed the NBA completely.
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I died when Kenyon said you have to cross the Atlantic Ocean to get here.
Definitely
Read ur comment as he said it ..
I died too
Yall let them fuck up America's game 😂
NO DOUBT
This made Brandon Jennings look like a fool 🤦🏽♂️😂 … damn bring McCants back
Jennings is just doubling down. It's a joke for content.
Nah McCants is waaay worse
@@terrellspeed6984less mccants arguments are entertaining 😂😂😂
Real spill. McCants would've at least had his argument ready...BJ couldn't even name a foreign player. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@TonyJayy I wish I can co-sign this but nahh Brandon was dead ass serious😂. The slouch in the couch gave it away😭
We damn near gotta count Canada as America …they all go to High school and college out here
And there best teams play for the nba. Makes no sense they would be considered Euro
And it sure as hell isn't in Europe
We do. At all times. Toronto is a suburb of buffalo and new york. Lets not kid ourselves here. Half the people in those cities are moving back and forth every other generation in their family. Quebec and rural canada, sure. TO? Hell no. Thats an american city.
@@area52musichow is Toronto a suburb of Buffalo when it's more than 3 times the size and the 4th biggest market in the NBA behind LA, NY and Chi. Please educate yourself smh.
@@R.B.90 probably because it’s only like a hour drive from Buffalo to Toronto
The reason the floor isn't packed is because everyone is shooting threes. But the NBA changed the rules to allow for that to take place. Centers can't sit in the lane
anymore because they will call defensive three seconds on you.
Euros had little to do with stretching the floor, almost all the best shooters have been American and the game was inevitably going to evolve that way
Gil is right
There is more American players than Euro players. Why aren’t the Americans playing defense then or are they just not good enough
Because us Europeans are AMAZING!!
Here we go again with BJ and this is why i hate him talkin about Euro shit....these dudes dont count as "Euro" players if since fuckin middle/High school theyve been in the US attending the best US schools, US camps and learning from the best US coaches and trainers. Shai learned how to be the player he is from being in the US. If he stayed in Canada until draft day we ALL know he wouldnt be the player he is today...same with Joel Embied and to a lesser extent with Giannis who was at best a role player before learning the game here from people here. Luka who was raised in Euro, played for a pro euro team and NEVER attended a US school or anything before the draft is a Euro player.
Strong take and Gilbert arenas is right on point. There’s a reason JJ bares got so many lay ups and easy buckets in Dallas’ championship playoff run against all teams including lakers AND heat. It’s joy because he had mad skills or ultra fast or athletic; and it’s not because of weak defense; it’s because the bigs had to cover Dirk.
They also are eating off of years of vetereans being pushed out and them playing a lot of players who have potential but aren't NBA ready. The NBA game is like watching 5 players play 21. There is very little IQ, very little defense, and very little one on one strategy.
9:01 that big team gills talking about. Was Toronto
Jockic and luka are overrated on defender..
He is not wrong. Bring back hand checking
Giannis is one of the European bigs dominating the league I’ve never heard anyone accusing him of having a jumper
JB s mom needs to go buy him a map with all that money she took 😅
Bruh, no one plays defense in today’s game.
Gil said I was being sarcastic like 27 times damn we get it 😂😂
Fam u gotta to reiterate points. Between the ADHD, trolls and unintelligent ppl that are all on social media; ppl aren't listening to comprehend, they're just waiting to argue and/or prove some other point that had nothing with the original argument...SMH
Once he started the Euro convo naming canadians i knew this wasnt gonna go well for him 😂
Yeah what he should have done is not let Gil run his narrative and pointed out the worse American defenders in that spot, like tray young.
I mean are you really calling a Steph curry and elite defender?
Andrei Kirilenko is probably the best European perimeter defender in NBA History that I can think of. Made 1 all defensive 1st team, and two 2nd teams.
agree. along with Thabo Sefolosha and Michael Pietris.
@@particularleeyeah but neither of them made all defensive so they’re up there but not 1
Bro, I knew his name but it wasn’t until I had an old 2k and looked at his stats from Utah and was like ohhhh! This dude was a BALLER!
Giannis just don't exist ?
Joel Embiid just got an American passport this year whilst being French and Cameroonian...
Sometimes Jennings be showing that he skipped school cause how tf you name Shai & we’re talking Euro?
Y'all don't understand his point Jennings is saying at position Europe are dominating. But like top 50 players are Americans. But top 5 you can say European/Canada
@@Jabsss34 so why didn't he name Europeans when the question was specifically geared towards Europeans?
@@DarkSaber22cuz Gil changed the question so he couldn’t answer it lol. The top Europeans rn could easily be in the top 20 rn. Giannis, Luka, Jokic, Markennen, Gobert, Wemby, Sabonis,
@@ViqtorMarkennen, Gobert and Sabonis are not top 20. Please stop.
@@KayBaby30yes they are. You’re being xenophobic and your American bias is showing. Sabonis is literally leading the league in triple and double doubles ☠️ gobert leading dpoy??? Markannen are we being fr 😭😭 23-8 on 50-40-88 wtf are you saying?? Just say you don’t know ball and are biased
That’s a stupid argument . There are 64 euro player in the nba. That’s 14% . By math alone americas will have the best players in numbers on defense and Offense by pure statistic. The fact the the best players in the leagues are foreign should let you know . Btw Rudy is French . But you will say exclude the big lol
Facts. Gil gone talk about name me 5 European guards that can defend then proceed to say that European bigs are to focus standing next to the 3 point line but forgot the fact they do that when they’re on offense and on defense they have to attempt to stay with their mark. This whole convo was dumb as hell
Detlef Schrempf was SO AMAZING he caused the NBA to change playing style??
Drazen Petrovic?
Maybe Sarunus Marculonis???
Luol Deng?!?!
@@timmynguyen4758nah it just went over your head because your comment is dumb.. the fact that you ain’t understand what was being said is crazy
@@shockwave2376they barely understand what they're saying 🤔🤦🏽♂️
And name some starting Euro guards, like it's such a stupid ass argument, THERES BASICALLY NO EURO GUARDS besides MICIC in charlotte!!
Jennings doesn’t know where Europe is 😂😂😂
He played there before the NBA tho
He played overseas before coming to the nba
@@terryxmcginnis he thought it was Canada
It’s okay, that’s that American education for you 😂😂😂
Black lives don’t matter to black people
These guys really need a map
more like Brandon Jennings needs a map LOL
that elementary school geography 😹
@BraddahJon01 Even the others. Usually when they talk about the "euros" they mean white foreigners and include Ginobili
canada is a satellite state of england just like australia, the queen is on their money. Their ideology is european.
canada is a satellite state of england just like australia, the queen is on their money. Their ideology is european.
Brandon Jennings is not built for podcasting 😂
Homie too high lol.
Give him a break he learning everyone can’t be right
He to emotional like a child
😂😂Brandon got his lil feelings hurt trying to challenge Gil😂😂
He really not
Asked him about Europe 😊
Talks about Canada 😢
Canada is a satellite state of England just like Australia, the queen is on their money
Americans gonna america 😂
Gill really doesnt like defense😂😂
He never played a lick
He never played a lick of defense
At all!
Lmaooo. Thats why u gotta take some of the shi he says with a grain of salt
?? What is even giving yall that impression
It's shocking that no one has stated the obvious yet. This whole conversation fails to acknowledge that from the beginning till now, the overwhelming majority of NBA players have been American... Therefore, the sample size of European players is extremely small. It's only more recently that we're starting to see move European players so we'd have to give it time. We're comparing decades of the league probably being 90%+ American players compared to 10% or less international players. It's only now where maybe 20% are international players and even then, a smaller size are European players so it will be hard to rattle off European players/all-stars let alone defensive stars that are European.
Euros are SO SUPER DUPER AMAZING that Americans had to change the rules to piss off blacks...
Gobert, Giannis, Wemby and OG are off course on top of the class. Franz, Avdija, Batum, Sochan are really good and extremly versatile defenders. The reason Jennings can't think of any point guards is because there are'nt many from Europe in the NBA at the moment, but Schröder is descent and really good on full court press. This is all about Luka. There is no denying american guards have been more more athletic, but I don't see Trae, Harden, Steph, Dame, Poole, DLo, CJ and Clarkson beeing defensive juggernaughts. Luka is not gonna stop you at the perimiter but he has actually been one of the best post up defenders in the leuge this season.
Gilberts argument is going to age bad. Wemby is not the only european rookie that can defend, it's what keeps guys like Coulibaly and Camara on the floor. And a lot off the guys that are comming to the leuge from Europe, like Sarr and Risacher, are gonna get drafted just because of their defensive traits. Topic is probably another Teodosic story, though. Btw, there are 64 european players in the NBA not 150, ffs.
Gil's take won't age badly if you realize what his original point was. He was talking about learning and playing defense, specifically perimeter defense. Gil said it previously but one on one defense is primarily learned in college and the Euro players don't learn that. Euro defense revolves around team/zone defense. Yes, the Euro big men can play defense due to the fact you can't teach height. They also get plenty of practice defending the paint due to no 3 second rule. But the Euro guards can't play perimeter defense
@@justified004 that might be true. Still, Trae and the orther americans mentioned above haven't learned shit in college, at least there not making any effort. I don't think a year off college would make much difference for Luka or any other euro guards. Again who are these these perimeter defenders Gill is gonna get rid off? As I said there are very few euro guards in the leuge at the moment, Facu, Korkmaz, Satoransky, Dragic, Hayes, Maledon, Rubio are out of the leuge and at least two of them were pretty good on defense. The guys that are still in the leuge: Ntlikina, Schröder, Luka, Bogdanovic and Micic are not worse than the americans mentioned, or they are not playing at all. One on one defense is pretty much what kept Frank on the floor before his injury. Coulibaly, Camara and OG are not pgs but good perimiter defenders. He might be thinking about big and slow wings and power forwards like Cancar, Gallinari, Bertans, but college won't save them. Gils takes are totally enstranged from any world we live in, regardless wich point he was emphasizeing here. Guys from Latvia, Lithuania and Slovenia are not in the leuge to attract a new european market. The rules hasn't change for them, they changed for superstars like MJ, Bron and Steph.
That was a funny Take but the lack of defense in the league is solely the NBA's fault in its catery to the offenses
I've always believed this to be true. People just bash the players too quickly instead of the NBA allowing the players to play defense
Exactly like Gil’s take makes no sense because we’ve seen on the FIBA/World stage most euro teams are more physical and give more effort on defense than us.l we just have an advantage in athleticism. It’s the culture NBA and American AAU basketball has cultivated because they prioritize offense over everything. Euro players had nothing to do with it.
@marcusjackson8084 the court is smaller and there is no 3 in the key so you can pack the floor...
....complete different game... usa teams these last few yrs have ran small ball lineups to beat teams playing faster and shooting more
@@allfactstv3812 It is a different game but it’s still has a heavier defensive focus than our current game does. That’s why I don’t understand why Gil points to their style or their players coming in more as why the game is how it is. We took influence from their offensive systems, for sure, but the NBA changing rules to limit defenders to improve scoring numbers and AAU/HS programs primarily only caring about teaching offense is what created the lack of consistent defensive effort in the modern NBA
@@XanielMarino it's heavier defense because of the rules and the floor spacing the athletic style of the nba would adapt to those rules... the nba changed the floor to encourage perimeter play instead of the post play that was heavy in the 80s and 90s ....if three in the key was eliminated in the nba there will be players that could abuse it on the offensive end too
What doesn't this also refute Gil's take that European players are messing up the league if you can't even name more than 5 to 10...
Arenas thinks he is slick trying to switch up what he said lol
Yall don’t listen. He said guards. Majority of the euros are big men and he just explained how big men changed the game. There aren’t many euro guards cuz they aren’t athletic enough. He said that too yall just hear what yall wanna hear
@@50clippppSo Shai, Jamal Murray, Luka, remember they are also Europeans
@user-lt1fx2he5s you need a map? The first two from Canada
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m shai is really from the us he just rep Canada😂 and Jamal isn’t European. You had a better chance saying Franz Wagner
Not on North American continent:
Luka
Giannis
Embiid
Jokic
Gobert
Sabonis
Kyrie Irving (Australia)
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Bojan Bogdanovic
Siakam
OG Anunoby(England)
Victor Wembanyama
Franz Wagner
Lauri Markanen
Coulibali(rookie lottery pick last yr)
Maxi Kleber
Deni Avdija
Rui Hachimura
Vučevič
Steven Adams
Sengun
Ben Simmons
Josh Giddey
I think this is good.
Denis Schroder
Patty Mills
Take off Kyrie he is American I know he was born in Australia but he’s American same with Sabonis his heritage is Lithuanian but he was born in the US but Sabonis is a European player Kyrie is not
This is why I will constantly say World VS USA all star game will make it competitive. Take the top 15 from both sides and let ‘em play. The game is ruined already let’s open it up.
It did happen recently! So how come the Americans lost the FIBA World Cup to Europeans If they are so good at defence ? They even got beat by Canadians for the 3rd spot
@@jojothepolyglot1866you didn’t hear what he said he said the top 15 not the bottom. Canada had their best.
Curry Tatum Bron KD AD/embiid
Dame booker George Leonard bam holiday draymond brown
Those would be our top and nobody touching them
@@jojothepolyglot1866Austin reeves isn't a top nothing in America....
@@jalenkyle93 All gas! So why the heck didn't you send them. Things have changed buddy. THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GET EMBARASSED! Now go dig a hole in the ground and put in your D
@@jalenkyle93BTW Embid is European 🥴😉
Gilbert already knows that most if european players in the NBA are over 6'6 😅" that is why he says "find me great europeans defenders under 6'6". But go check the french rookie guard Bilal Coulibaly from Washington, he's a strong 2 way player, super skilled in defense. he's about 6'6.
Arenas is back paddling from his last take lol
We should ask, So how come the Americans lost the FIBA World Cup to Europeans If they are so good at defence ? They even got beat by Canadians for the 3rd spot
@@jojothepolyglot1866the USA didn’t send their best
@@raymondmosby8080 We don't care! THEY SENT WHO THEY THOUGHT WAS BEST AND THAT'S IT! The rest is just pan'gan'ga you guys are yapping
@@jojothepolyglot1866no they sent their third options because the first and second didn’t want to go! If we sent the best players it wouldn’t be fair.
@@cvgodd1432 Right!Keep shitting your panties and telling yourself that. I guess they must have gotten confused if they are men or women since that is a thing in America. With all the 17 genders team A and B were still checking if their balls really work or are just eggs in a sack
Gil literally created the point on the fly to try to justify what he said 😂😂😂😂
The problem is folk watching clips not him
It’s mad filtered though this conversation. Europeans but no bigs how many European 1-3s are in the league? How many are starting? Probably not even 10 Jennings was doomed from the start 😂
Glad im not the only one noticing
Brandon Jennings did nothing at all to make Gilbert actually think about what he said. No offense to Jennings, but he just comes off like a dumb dude. He adds nothing to this show besides saying, "Ye, For real, I rock with that, let's all chill, maaan, he like dat doe". Just another mindless former athlete saying nothing at all.
💯
@HoneyBadger90 so prove how gil is wrong. How many European players can you name that are good defenders. Other than the obvious few bigs.
@@HoneyBadger90 What's the point of being on the right side if you can't actually prove you are on the right side of the argument/debate? These arguments are for spectators that may be uninformed. Jennings did nothing to provide a substantive argument against Gil's take.
@@invincible0463 I can name every one historically and now.
@@invincible0463 Marc Gasol was a center that won DPOY and the main communicator of the Grizzlies Grind House defense in the early 2010s. Gobert, Pau Gasol, Noah, AK-47, Porzingis, Turkoglu (Often was assigned to the best offensive perimeter player late in games), Capela, OG Anunobi, Wemby, Ilgauskas were all at one point solid, good, or great Euro born defenders in the NBA.
There's one thing about Gil's point the other night that didn't make sense. He said we softened the game and that allowed the Europeans to thrive. I think it's the opposite. Removing physicality hurt the Europeans. Their game is more about strength. Whereas the NBA game is more about quickness and speed in open spaces. If you clogged the lanes the Europeans would be doing even better.
NOPE! Watch old b ball clips ? The minute these euro dudes came league is soft
@@josephtanner3929Nah the minute the European players came over that’s when they started exposing the NBA lack of defense
@@josephtanner3929The officiating is what made it soft. Euros and other internationals were starting to come over regardless as the game went global
I haven't met a true shooter in my life that likes getting bodied up. The NBA eliminating the physicality ABSOLUTELY benefits the Euro players
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m This is the most logical explanation yet. European leagues abuse the hell out of extremely complex defensive schemes, the majority of NBA is man to man defense and maybe some switches, teams barely use zones. As we see more European players enter the league we'll see more and more thrive because they know every counter to every defense. Where US players thrive is being extraordinary athletes but we're starting to see that skill can get the job done just as effectively if not more effectively. Steph, Tim Duncan, Jokic, Kawhi, Dirk. From 2003/4-2024, the best player on the championship winning team was more skilled than athletic minus the Heat/Lebron & Bucks.
Jennings naming Canadians is so dumb not because they are not Europeans... but because they grow up playing American basketball smh... I'm from Toronto trust me. All the best players here... same as the states, play their last few high-school years at a prep school in the states before playing college ball there too. I remember when Cory Joseph was coming up. His older brother Devoe was also a well known baller here but not nearly as good as Cory. By the time Cory was old enough to go to high-school both him and Tristan Thompson were moved to Texas to play in a prep school before playing college ball there too. Devoe who didn't get that luxury ended up at a division 3 school in the states and who knows where he is now... so for the most part any Canadian in the NBA are basically just American (not in nationality in Basketball experience). U would think Brandon would know that as a player since he probably went up against Canadians in high-school smh.
Brandon is just a statue for background purposes in Gil's Arena. Dude never says over 75 words per show.
Ur wrong devoe went to Minnesota then Oregon , both good D1 schools, Ik devoe nd cory ..
@@josheasy6716 okay then I apologize. It doesn't change the point I was making. I do remember he went to Minnesota cuz I remember looking him up but I didn't know it was a D1 school. I'm not sure the point you are making tho. Are you arguing my point? You're saying I'm wrong. Other than that one error what is wrong with what I said? Get off your high horse cuz you know Devoe and Cory. It's 2024 no one cares 🤷🏾♂️
@@R.B.90 Shoutout Devoe, just got that shoutout on that Drake record recently
@@hennyknows oh shii no way that's dope. Tbh I don't really listen to drake anymore. That's cool though.
Am Serbian and we have decent guards in Europe.But Gilbert is right ,no great point guards ,shooting guards compared to Americans
Thats goin to change in next decade. Whats happening is in usa sports. Less n less kids are playing sports. All they do is shoot up threes. American basketball player has become lazy n spoiled. These foreigners especiaĺly europeans. They r hungry. Moment they come to nba nowadays. They dominate. PG n SG. In usa. They want big forwards. In usa. They feel they dont trust euro SG n PG. Its going to change. It takes one player
Kirilenko is maybe one...
The only one 😂
AK for sure. Rubio and Galinari were both great defenders in their prime. Luol Deng is arguably from the UK. Boris Diaw, Nick Batum, Mikael Peitrus, all great wing defenders. I wish Gil asked me that question and not B Jennings who was a bucket but clearly doesn't know anything about the game somehow lol
@@R.B.90JJ Barea, Dennis Schroeder
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m you only adding to my point. That what I mean. Why is Gil asking slow as Jennings this question lol
@@R.B.90Exactly
Bill Laimbeer was shooting 3-pointers back in the 1980s for those who know💯💯💯💯
Yea one of the best stretch 5 people only look at the hard fouling
Lol like 1 maybe 2 a game
TRUTH SPOKEN!!!!!!!
Exactly, Tom Chambers, Manut Bol, etc...
Lambeer, Detlef, Sabonis, Chambers, Perkins, Mcadoo, Cliff Robinson, etc. Guys have always been able to shoot. They wasn't allowed to in offense if they did they got benched.
Sometimes the ignorance on this podcast is nasty lmao. Bruh Canada is a North American country. The United States OF America is just as much "America" as Canada
Exactly - it is clear they understand but they can’t articulate it so it comes out sounding like they are well… stupid.
We're going to be at a point where 6'4-6'5 is going to be undersized for a PG. Crazy times
Lamelo ball
STEPH CURRY CHANGE THE GAME NOT EURO SHH...
How come they play defense in Europe against the crazy offensive style played there?
Rules. They still pack the paint and can basically goaltend.
You're right, they run set plays in Europe, way way way more than in the US, which demands team defense - generally zone or zone press. Team defense is ALL about rotations and help side defense, running to the open man, etc. But this reliance on team defense diminishes the European players ability to play 1-on-1 basketball since they are never accustomed to this style of play. 1-on-1 is the staple in the NBA, getting your man on an island and exploiting mismatches.
There are lot less good shooters in Europe now...Thats why i am surpised when Edwards was struggling in the World cup...@@jasonhoppe781
The 3 point line is shorter which condenses the court, no 3 second rule to bring the center out of the paint, the paint is also smaller, more strict rules on dribbling so guys can't get away with things they do in the NBA, the defense is allowed to be physical on the perimeter, and less foul calls.
Tony Parker played good defense and ginobli. Both Gasol brothers.
Meh, Tony P was okay on defense. If I had to rate his defense 2K style in his prime, I would give him a 77 on defensive awareness. Tim Duncan was a 97 and by far the primary reason the Spurs' defense being so great for such a long time. Shout out to Bruce Bowen too. Bowen was an elite defender. Ginobli was solid too, but not great.
That was team rotations you mistake for individual skill..
Ginobili isn't from Europe
Gil is full of crap. On opening day this year Europe had 64 European players on roster. Canada had 26. So most of the players American and they don’t stay in college to learn defense. This is aau nba
Canadians don’t count those like our cousins that lived in the good side of town
They think canada is beside Germany 🤦🏿♂️
@@josephtanner3929 they think Canada next to Russia and shii
Canada is basically a satellite state of England. The queen is on their money
Steve Nash: Canadian
SGA: North American
Hmmmm.....
@dawg2067 technically it is. The artic
The freedom of movement rules fucked the defense up.
And the offensive schemes along with the talents
@@snupedummy two different things. The offense is always going to find a way. The evolution of the game was happening on it’s own with the way the warriors changing the focus to the three. But the NBA handicaps defense for perceived entertainment while offense is on steroids.
The 2016 warriors changed the game tf u talking about
Rudy Golbert is such a good defender that people assume all Europeans are good cause from what i seen in my 28 years only Ak47 Kirilenko, rudy golbert, and now Victor are good defenders. Ricky rubio was also ok but there was no elite european defender😂😂 they weren't bringing dudes from over there here to stop the ball lol they needed/wanted scorers
Ricky was good, until a really quick guard came along and would torch him. BJ prolly lit him up, he used to hold CP to terrible games tho somehow
He's big man, he said 1-3
Giannis too. But yea that's it! And maybe Batum when he was in his hay day
Rudy is a rim defender... get him out the paint and he barbecue chicken
@@HighwayMercso was Shaq and shaq is considered a good defender😂😂. I dont care bout a 7ft center who has to move 5ft worth of leg every step guarding outside the paint
All these people saying Canada should be apart of America are ignorant please shutup. Brandon isn’t the most smart that’s why he didn’t go to college he got the bag. Gil is just being an asshole per usual
You had to cross the Atlantic Ocean 😂😂😂
Franz Wagner disrespect
Bro gets fried doe 😂😂😂😂 he's a elite
He was no1 in defensive rating last time I checked. There was like 8 Europeans (not Canadians Jennings) in the top 27.
Gil just explained why AI would avg 43. No center in the paint. No hand checking. AI is breaking down EVERY defender in that situation!
Shit he even explained if there was hand checking it only worked on guards who weren’t scoring guards. No stopping or post up to hand check. You can’t really hand check on a mobile guard because once you put your hand on him he passed you, you have to step back and give him space and find a way to stop him.
Is Kyrie averaging even 30?So AI would not average 43...
@@VojkanTrifunovicthat makes zero fucking sense
@@SolaceMcflymakes perfect sense….small guards with elite ball handling skills then AI shot too many attempts on terrible efficiency I’ll be honest AI is one of my favorite players but he’d be probably at 18ppg
@@michaelisaac443918? Go to bed
This segment Oozes racism & Xenophobia
Gil is so used to getting heated he immediately went to yelling mode. Meanwhile Jennings is like, yoooo bruh, I'm just asking. lol
BRANDON JENNINGS DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE .. SO EXCUSE HIM IF HE DOESN'T KNOW THAT CANADA IS NOT EUROPE ..
Americans need to college to know Canada is the country above the 49th parallel 🙄
@@R.B.90So in other words Canada is not part of the US and players that come from Canada are still European/foreign players
This take is stupid because he played in Europe wtf
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m That makes 0 sense geographically or from a common sense perspective.
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m congratulations. You just exposed yourself.
Euros didn't expand the game. They were allowed to play that style & American bigs were not allowed. Chris Webber, KG, & other bigs could've played that style if they were allowed. Dirk was the 1st big allowed to play away from the basket & facing the basket.
They weren’t allowed nothing lol this was just their style of play.
North American and European didn’t learn B-Ball the same.
It's coaching, not styles. American big men can handle & shoot like Euros. They weren't allowed to play that style by he coaches. The Euro coaches used big men differently. Euros were soft & the US game was very physical. They changed the physicality of the game to accommodate the Euros. The more Euros showed up, the softer the game got. It's gotten so bad that now the Euro game is more physical than the US game. @@yvans.
So 14 percent of the league dictates bad defense wow thats bullshit if you cant ball you dont play its that simple
Stupid and dangerous statements from Gil. Was he talking about white people or europeans, because he said: They have no athleticism, no speed, no jumping ability.
Westbrook has all this qualities, but is horrible defender.
This shows proof when people say America they automatically think USA but America is a continent not a country 😆 in the past somebody tried to argue me Haiti is not in America 😆
Someone tried to argue with me and say Mexicans aren’t Americans
@@dawg2067 right we share the same continent really our nickname is U.S citizens it just doesn’t have a good ring to it so we say Americans
america is 2 continents. i live in colombia currently and people get pissed if you say you're american, they say yeah, me too
@@ljsmith197878as they should
"The european players are actually the best defensive players in the league..."
"YEAH WELL WHAT ABOUT IF YOU IGNORE THEM, WHAT ABOUT THE GUARDS????"
"Well Luka-"
"WELL IF YOU IGNORE LUKA WHO ELSE???"
Gilbert... You can't just ignore all the evidence then cherry-pick a new argument.
Just hold the L you flop.
Upon him mentioning Ant Mason, I said to myself I wouldnt lump him in with the company he mentioned. While he was an enforcer, he was an enforcer who actually had GAME and played basketball and didnt engage in pure thuggery like Oak did.
But how many players really do play defense in the nba not many these days there are 64 euro players in nba not all are gonna be top level defenders there are 450 players in nba 64 that makes 14 percent of the league what’s the rest of the 86 percent doing and how many euros are game changing players I don’t agree OG
European players have evolved the NBA by stretching out the floor without a doubt. But to sit here and say that there's no more defense in the NBA because the offense is "too good" is blasphemy. Every league in the world now has a strech big men but those leagues still have great defense. Rule changes since the early 2000's and 2010's have effected the game dramatically. Such as the freedom of movement rule that was implemented in 2018, as well as the abolishment of hand-checking in the early 2000's. Refs also play a major factor as well since they allow players to get away with travels, carry's and many more terrible things. Let's stop beating around the bush and call it for what it is.
Anyone notice Gilbert is possibly trying hype up Ben Simmons but yet craps on Lamar Odom who did all of the things that Ben Simmons has yet to do played multiples positions not speculation why because he went out with a Kardashian and had a drug problem like his dad. Can’t deny his talent skills etc these are facts revisit Lamar Odom give him his respect guys look at his Drew league highlights also his college highlights Ran point for the Miami Heat and clippers
If the europeans are so bad at defense, how couldn’t the USA lock Germany up in the World Cup. The euros have nothing to do with the evolution, go look at Steph Curry and then you may realise that Arenas is talking BS😉
Franz Wagner is a very good defender, so is Wemby, Rudy Gobert, Jusuf Nurkic, Ivica Zubac, etc. There aren’t many European guards regardless, so to find them who are good defenders are less likely. To blame European players for playing no defense is simply false. There are many many American players who are NBA level garbage at defense.
Bro apart from the two Frenchmen, those dudes trash lol. Height is a different story. It's literally half the game for you. Nobody mentioned anything about guards, because there aren't any. Nurkic 😊😅😅😂😂😂
@@a_man_with_some_plans The guys that I mentioned are good to great overall defenders. If you don’t agree with that then you are a basketball casual and there’s no point in having this conversation. There aren’t many European guards period, so the sample size is too small to have a great defender. It’s wrong to blame Europeans for the lack of defense in the NBA, because it’s simply not true. The bottom 15 NBA defenders are all American except for one who’s Canadian.
Gil is looking to put the blame on lack of defense on European players as a scapegoat, because the real answer for the lack of defense is the officiating and the current NBA rules.
@@a_man_with_some_plansFranz Wagner Bad... Yes... Sure!😬
take away the top 5 defensive europeans to make an argument make sense is crazy, even jokic the worst defender out of the top 5 offensive europeans is also top 5 in deflections make it make sense. Every top 5 player says scoring in the NBA is easy cause the american rules are different, no 3 seconds in the paint changes the game drastically can tip the ball in when on the rim etc etc.
Gil hating on the Europeans because the actually work and dnt complain like the Americans. But for real it’s the foundations that are different.
Sometimes..... graduating early from HS can show😂😂😂
Europeans are just dominating the nba, and its hilarious watching black people melt down over the fact 😂😂
Devin Booker Luka 6'9 , Shai 6'7??
Who did the measuerments?? Stevie Wonder?
How do you go play in Europe and don't know where Europe is at
Jennings don’t know his world surroundings 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣! Basketball got him through high school!
Just go on ahead and say it y’all:
They cheating putting all these dang Nephilim up against mere mortals!!! 😅😂
euros didn’t create the 5 out. advanced analytics showed midrange shots suck so teams don’t shoot them anymore. that created 5 out.
Someone ask Gilbert walere Europeans the reason why he wasn't a lock down defender lmao Majority of the players are from NA so ofc majority of defenders will be Americans
You butthurt, because you obviously didn't listen to what he said 😂
wtf did you just say???
English...
Gil was a telling the truth
You americans ain't cooking anyone anymore
@@Peca-sz6yt the NBA nerfing defense to let more Euros play is disingenuous to the game...
@@beardownbitches4074 no bro you can't keep up with euro bigs anymore, all of them are cooking you, euro guards are playing in euroleague because they can't play over so many overrated aau projects, 95% of american guards are overrated on defense and your bigs are nonexistent, from 2028 you are cooked in olympics and world cups, world cups are no longer yours, that will continue on olympics, you have maybe this year and that's it.
@@beardownbitches4074 you just cannot accept you are getting cooked by euro players so now you search for reasons and excuses, so lame
@@beardownbitches4074 If you're from Europe and want to get into the draft, you have to be especially talented offensively because they won't pay attention to you if you just good defender. There are certainly many solid defenders from Europe, but defense alone will not attract the attention of scouts.
What gil said is actually true. Take out the floor spacers and you will comeback to the old hard and grueling nba. Now is it enjoyable to watch? Probably not that is why they dont exist anymore. Imagine watching someone post up every possession and the other players are just standing up. His takes on the euro guards is facts also, imagine Luka guarding Kobe or MJ they will at least average 50 pts per game.
Bra curry came in with that shooting shit, around tht time every position started to expand they range europe aint start tht
As a Canadian who lives right beside the US, I fully agree with Brandon Jennings that Canada is in Europe.
Wtf😂
Is this the same guy that brought a gun to a basketball game to defend himself?
Moral of story black people can be racist also Gil don’t even play defense
Kyrie and Ben (Australians mate or they were born in the USA?)
The warriors changed the way the game is now played.. they went small ball and spread the floor.. then the Rockets copied that formula .. then the league shifted after that..
Literally, once they figured a 3pt shot was even better than a contested layup over the course of a full 48 minute game it was over. If you take 30 threes and 30 2s but make 40% of your threes and 50% of your 2s, you'd have more points scoring from outside which is why analytics encourages it now.
Marc Gasol was a center that won DPOY and the main communicator of the Grizzlies Grind House defense in the early 2010s. Gobert, Pau Gasol, Noah, AK-47, Porzingis, Turkoglu (Often was assigned to the best offensive perimeter player late in games), Capela, OG Anunobi, Ilgauskas were all at one point solid, good, or great Euro born defenders in the NBA.
OG played high school basketball in America. He doesn’t count. And Turk was never a lockdown defender
@@BLGClipsx Never said Turk was a lockdown defender. I said he was solid. The question was relating to EURO BORN players. Gilbert was originally proposing that all EURO born players should not be allowed to play in the NBA because their defense was weak. I provided many great and above average examples. Step your game up, son.
@@BLGClipsx OG was born in England btw. That would be apart of Europe.
@@QuestionEverything562 he didn’t play basketball in Europe so it wouldn’t count. He played basketball in America growing up
@@BLGClipsx But then what are you introducing for the alternative to Arenas' argument? Or do you agree with it? You are hinting at all Euro players should be indoctrinated into American schools so that they learn how to play the American way? Most American players are lazy and lack defensive effort as well. Perhaps being born in England's culture was one of the main reasons as to why OG tried harder on defense? These are factors. This is not just strictly a European issue. Go look up the Olympics in recent years, Team USA has shown struggles against Euro countries and African countries because the rules are different.
American players soft as hell but they think they hard as hell its hilarious
Luka is essentially if Magic and Bird had a baby in a Slovenian lab…
Elite passer, scorer, not very athletic but is big for his position… doesn’t shoot it as well as Larry but shoots it more often so his overall efficiency is higher or the same since he’s generating more points per shot…
But if either Bird or Magic grew up in the 2000s and were drafted in 2010s there’s no doubt in my mind they’d be either the same as luka is if not better…
More leaning towards better…
Magic would’ve worked on his jumper and might’ve been like a 36% 3point shooter with like 6 attempts per game type shit…
Larry was already 50-40-90 like 2-3 times so he’d be the same jus on more attempts so he’d average like 35 instead of 28…
That makes no sense. Luka isn't more efficient than Bird. Bird literally has a higher shooting percentage, 3 pt percentage, and free throw percentage. Luka shooting more shots doesn't make him more efficient, it makes him less. Your understanding of what efficiency means is off.
Magic shot 38.4% in 1990 on 3.5 attempts per game and when he came back in 95-96 briefly he shot 37.9 % on 1.8 attempts per game. He also shot 90%
from the line multiple times starting his 10th year. Later in his career when he concentrated on it his shooting was on point. He never even averaged more than 1 attempt from 3 until his 10th year in 1988. Magic definitely would have adapted and worked on his shooting earlier and been fine.
If Magic and Larry grew up in the 2000s, they wouldn't even be the same players. They'd end up as volume scorers - id HOPE Magic doesnt take the same route, cause the way people treated Ben Simmons...i cant imagine Magic getting boo'ed at home, period. But just imagine YOUNG Magic in a era where you are required to shoot
Arenas is wrong. There are not 150 European.
There are 64 European in the NBA that count a total of 450 players.
The point guard position is the position with less european in it. MoT of european players in the nba are in the center, power forward and small forward position. 54 of them are not point guard so almost 85% of them actually are not point guard.
That means there are 10 european players who are point guard in the NBA. So the only fact you put Luka is already great on percentage. It means 10% of european point guard are doing very good in the NBA.
So yes totally disagree on this statement. For once I wish it would be research before statement. It sounds good but it's ot the reality when you take the actual numbers.
Plus this fluctuate depending of the year. Before the big european were not good defensively or even just good at the center position. So you cannot just take 3 years and say lets remove all european players for this reason. If all european were bad at defense since when they started to come to the NBA I would agree but this is not the case.
So overall I disagree with this statement/idea/assumption.
Still I like the show because at least you guys talk about every subject even if you don't have the answer all the time. I like it. It allows to think deeper about the game.
He said name the best European guards but there are only 10 of them. Majority of guards are not European so how has the league changed because of this tiny amount
@@bjrnthebootybandit exactly why I am disagree with his statement
Jennings thinks Canadians aren't Americans... Sir, this is NORTH AMERICA!!! 😂
every day I have a good laugh about "Bo BongBonnavich" lmaoo
Canada is North America, the United States is in North America. Technically they are Americans
They’re North Americans. Not just Americans. American has a clear connotation as to being assigned to citizens of the united state of America
Mexico is North America, they're Americans too!
The funniest dudes who don't even try to be funny 😂these takes are trash, but I love how biased they are, comedy gold
Canada is America. Mexico is America. That’s why we’re the United States of America. Many countries reside in North and South America. This is learned in 3rd grade Geography.
Kings didn't know how to use Evans
Gil is hilariously off on heights. Luka is not 6'9 and Shai is not 6'8 but he keeps pushing a narrative that no one is buying.
He’s assuming everyone just grows cuz they came in at 19 or 20
Luka is easily 6’9
@@Timur21So you're saying Luka is as tall as Kenyon Martin? Please stop.
@@Transfixionhow tall you think kat is? If you think anything pass 6’9, go look up a picture of luka and kat standing next to each other at the all star game
@@DracoDoubleOI looked and I can't find any pictures of them standing next to each other. I found a picture of Luka standing next to Jokic who is 6'11 and Luka is an easy 4-5 inches shorter than him.
How many American born guarding the perimeter when there's a record-breaking Game above 70 points. European Defender or American defender? Lack of defense is more about the Refs not calling carries & Travel etc. Who is the American born PG and SG real defender? You can't actually name a player who would contest a DPOY. Imagine If Jason Tatum is better defensively than offense, he'll be at the bottom of the MVP candidate. It's the game changing. It will keep changing and someone like Steph evolved the game with a dynasty of small men without less defenders with more offense and someone perfect the gameplan by a team and that's European's fault is something that's stupid to me. One will innovate and some others will try to make it better to suit their playstyle and win more games, that's how life works. Not just NBA. Why they draft European players with more offense than defense, because of the NBA not European players. There are European players playing defense they don't draft because they don't think like you. Offensive playstyle markets more than defensive playstyle. You can't beat the house. The house always beat you and sized you up by its own rules that's it.
If we're better defensively than Europe or other countries, why won't they show us in the Olympics or World Championship Games that they're more physical and have more defensive players than European players? They're playing more physical games than us in every Interantional game now. The NBA draft more offensive players than defensive players from Europe could be an issue. But still, it's not. It's the GAME, the NBA.
This show is so woke and racist against international! Hahahaha 😹😝🤣😂international players ruled!! Giannis, embiid, and Jokic are MVP the last six straight years!👏👍. American players crying me a river and jealousy 😂