Yeah what he should have done is not let Gil run his narrative and pointed out the worse American defenders in that spot, like tray young. I mean are you really calling a Steph curry and elite defender?
Andrei Kirilenko is probably the best European perimeter defender in NBA History that I can think of. Made 1 all defensive 1st team, and two 2nd teams.
Y'all don't understand his point Jennings is saying at position Europe are dominating. But like top 50 players are Americans. But top 5 you can say European/Canada
@@DarkSaber22cuz Gil changed the question so he couldn’t answer it lol. The top Europeans rn could easily be in the top 20 rn. Giannis, Luka, Jokic, Markennen, Gobert, Wemby, Sabonis,
@@KayBaby30yes they are. You’re being xenophobic and your American bias is showing. Sabonis is literally leading the league in triple and double doubles ☠️ gobert leading dpoy??? Markannen are we being fr 😭😭 23-8 on 50-40-88 wtf are you saying?? Just say you don’t know ball and are biased
That’s a stupid argument . There are 64 euro player in the nba. That’s 14% . By math alone americas will have the best players in numbers on defense and Offense by pure statistic. The fact the the best players in the leagues are foreign should let you know . Btw Rudy is French . But you will say exclude the big lol
Facts. Gil gone talk about name me 5 European guards that can defend then proceed to say that European bigs are to focus standing next to the 3 point line but forgot the fact they do that when they’re on offense and on defense they have to attempt to stay with their mark. This whole convo was dumb as hell
Gobert, Giannis, Wemby and OG are off course on top of the class. Franz, Avdija, Batum, Sochan are really good and extremly versatile defenders. The reason Jennings can't think of any point guards is because there are'nt many from Europe in the NBA at the moment, but Schröder is descent and really good on full court press. This is all about Luka. There is no denying american guards have been more more athletic, but I don't see Trae, Harden, Steph, Dame, Poole, DLo, CJ and Clarkson beeing defensive juggernaughts. Luka is not gonna stop you at the perimiter but he has actually been one of the best post up defenders in the leuge this season. Gilberts argument is going to age bad. Wemby is not the only european rookie that can defend, it's what keeps guys like Coulibaly and Camara on the floor. And a lot off the guys that are comming to the leuge from Europe, like Sarr and Risacher, are gonna get drafted just because of their defensive traits. Topic is probably another Teodosic story, though. Btw, there are 64 european players in the NBA not 150, ffs.
Gil's take won't age badly if you realize what his original point was. He was talking about learning and playing defense, specifically perimeter defense. Gil said it previously but one on one defense is primarily learned in college and the Euro players don't learn that. Euro defense revolves around team/zone defense. Yes, the Euro big men can play defense due to the fact you can't teach height. They also get plenty of practice defending the paint due to no 3 second rule. But the Euro guards can't play perimeter defense
@@justified004 that might be true. Still, Trae and the orther americans mentioned above haven't learned shit in college, at least there not making any effort. I don't think a year off college would make much difference for Luka or any other euro guards. Again who are these these perimeter defenders Gill is gonna get rid off? As I said there are very few euro guards in the leuge at the moment, Facu, Korkmaz, Satoransky, Dragic, Hayes, Maledon, Rubio are out of the leuge and at least two of them were pretty good on defense. The guys that are still in the leuge: Ntlikina, Schröder, Luka, Bogdanovic and Micic are not worse than the americans mentioned, or they are not playing at all. One on one defense is pretty much what kept Frank on the floor before his injury. Coulibaly, Camara and OG are not pgs but good perimiter defenders. He might be thinking about big and slow wings and power forwards like Cancar, Gallinari, Bertans, but college won't save them. Gils takes are totally enstranged from any world we live in, regardless wich point he was emphasizeing here. Guys from Latvia, Lithuania and Slovenia are not in the leuge to attract a new european market. The rules hasn't change for them, they changed for superstars like MJ, Bron and Steph.
It's shocking that no one has stated the obvious yet. This whole conversation fails to acknowledge that from the beginning till now, the overwhelming majority of NBA players have been American... Therefore, the sample size of European players is extremely small. It's only more recently that we're starting to see move European players so we'd have to give it time. We're comparing decades of the league probably being 90%+ American players compared to 10% or less international players. It's only now where maybe 20% are international players and even then, a smaller size are European players so it will be hard to rattle off European players/all-stars let alone defensive stars that are European.
Exactly like Gil’s take makes no sense because we’ve seen on the FIBA/World stage most euro teams are more physical and give more effort on defense than us.l we just have an advantage in athleticism. It’s the culture NBA and American AAU basketball has cultivated because they prioritize offense over everything. Euro players had nothing to do with it.
@marcusjackson8084 the court is smaller and there is no 3 in the key so you can pack the floor... ....complete different game... usa teams these last few yrs have ran small ball lineups to beat teams playing faster and shooting more
@@allfactstv3812 It is a different game but it’s still has a heavier defensive focus than our current game does. That’s why I don’t understand why Gil points to their style or their players coming in more as why the game is how it is. We took influence from their offensive systems, for sure, but the NBA changing rules to limit defenders to improve scoring numbers and AAU/HS programs primarily only caring about teaching offense is what created the lack of consistent defensive effort in the modern NBA
@@XanielMarino it's heavier defense because of the rules and the floor spacing the athletic style of the nba would adapt to those rules... the nba changed the floor to encourage perimeter play instead of the post play that was heavy in the 80s and 90s ....if three in the key was eliminated in the nba there will be players that could abuse it on the offensive end too
Yall don’t listen. He said guards. Majority of the euros are big men and he just explained how big men changed the game. There aren’t many euro guards cuz they aren’t athletic enough. He said that too yall just hear what yall wanna hear
There's one thing about Gil's point the other night that didn't make sense. He said we softened the game and that allowed the Europeans to thrive. I think it's the opposite. Removing physicality hurt the Europeans. Their game is more about strength. Whereas the NBA game is more about quickness and speed in open spaces. If you clogged the lanes the Europeans would be doing even better.
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m This is the most logical explanation yet. European leagues abuse the hell out of extremely complex defensive schemes, the majority of NBA is man to man defense and maybe some switches, teams barely use zones. As we see more European players enter the league we'll see more and more thrive because they know every counter to every defense. Where US players thrive is being extraordinary athletes but we're starting to see that skill can get the job done just as effectively if not more effectively. Steph, Tim Duncan, Jokic, Kawhi, Dirk. From 2003/4-2024, the best player on the championship winning team was more skilled than athletic minus the Heat/Lebron & Bucks.
We do. At all times. Toronto is a suburb of buffalo and new york. Lets not kid ourselves here. Half the people in those cities are moving back and forth every other generation in their family. Quebec and rural canada, sure. TO? Hell no. Thats an american city.
@@area52musichow is Toronto a suburb of Buffalo when it's more than 3 times the size and the 4th biggest market in the NBA behind LA, NY and Chi. Please educate yourself smh.
Not on North American continent: Luka Giannis Embiid Jokic Gobert Sabonis Kyrie Irving (Australia) Bogdan Bogdanovic Bojan Bogdanovic Siakam OG Anunoby(England) Victor Wembanyama Franz Wagner Lauri Markanen Coulibali(rookie lottery pick last yr) Maxi Kleber Deni Avdija Rui Hachimura Vučevič Steven Adams Sengun Ben Simmons Josh Giddey I think this is good. Denis Schroder Patty Mills
Take off Kyrie he is American I know he was born in Australia but he’s American same with Sabonis his heritage is Lithuanian but he was born in the US but Sabonis is a European player Kyrie is not
It’s mad filtered though this conversation. Europeans but no bigs how many European 1-3s are in the league? How many are starting? Probably not even 10 Jennings was doomed from the start 😂
This is why I will constantly say World VS USA all star game will make it competitive. Take the top 15 from both sides and let ‘em play. The game is ruined already let’s open it up.
It did happen recently! So how come the Americans lost the FIBA World Cup to Europeans If they are so good at defence ? They even got beat by Canadians for the 3rd spot
@@jojothepolyglot1866you didn’t hear what he said he said the top 15 not the bottom. Canada had their best. Curry Tatum Bron KD AD/embiid Dame booker George Leonard bam holiday draymond brown Those would be our top and nobody touching them
@@jalenkyle93 All gas! So why the heck didn't you send them. Things have changed buddy. THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GET EMBARASSED! Now go dig a hole in the ground and put in your D
Thats goin to change in next decade. Whats happening is in usa sports. Less n less kids are playing sports. All they do is shoot up threes. American basketball player has become lazy n spoiled. These foreigners especiaĺly europeans. They r hungry. Moment they come to nba nowadays. They dominate. PG n SG. In usa. They want big forwards. In usa. They feel they dont trust euro SG n PG. Its going to change. It takes one player
Gilbert already knows that most if european players in the NBA are over 6'6 😅" that is why he says "find me great europeans defenders under 6'6". But go check the french rookie guard Bilal Coulibaly from Washington, he's a strong 2 way player, super skilled in defense. he's about 6'6.
AK for sure. Rubio and Galinari were both great defenders in their prime. Luol Deng is arguably from the UK. Boris Diaw, Nick Batum, Mikael Peitrus, all great wing defenders. I wish Gil asked me that question and not B Jennings who was a bucket but clearly doesn't know anything about the game somehow lol
Lambeer, Detlef, Sabonis, Chambers, Perkins, Mcadoo, Cliff Robinson, etc. Guys have always been able to shoot. They wasn't allowed to in offense if they did they got benched.
The reason the floor isn't packed is because everyone is shooting threes. But the NBA changed the rules to allow for that to take place. Centers can't sit in the lane anymore because they will call defensive three seconds on you.
Jennings naming Canadians is so dumb not because they are not Europeans... but because they grow up playing American basketball smh... I'm from Toronto trust me. All the best players here... same as the states, play their last few high-school years at a prep school in the states before playing college ball there too. I remember when Cory Joseph was coming up. His older brother Devoe was also a well known baller here but not nearly as good as Cory. By the time Cory was old enough to go to high-school both him and Tristan Thompson were moved to Texas to play in a prep school before playing college ball there too. Devoe who didn't get that luxury ended up at a division 3 school in the states and who knows where he is now... so for the most part any Canadian in the NBA are basically just American (not in nationality in Basketball experience). U would think Brandon would know that as a player since he probably went up against Canadians in high-school smh.
@@josheasy6716 okay then I apologize. It doesn't change the point I was making. I do remember he went to Minnesota cuz I remember looking him up but I didn't know it was a D1 school. I'm not sure the point you are making tho. Are you arguing my point? You're saying I'm wrong. Other than that one error what is wrong with what I said? Get off your high horse cuz you know Devoe and Cory. It's 2024 no one cares 🤷🏾♂️
Marc Gasol was a center that won DPOY and the main communicator of the Grizzlies Grind House defense in the early 2010s. Gobert, Pau Gasol, Noah, AK-47, Porzingis, Turkoglu (Often was assigned to the best offensive perimeter player late in games), Capela, OG Anunobi, Ilgauskas were all at one point solid, good, or great Euro born defenders in the NBA.
@@BLGClipsx Never said Turk was a lockdown defender. I said he was solid. The question was relating to EURO BORN players. Gilbert was originally proposing that all EURO born players should not be allowed to play in the NBA because their defense was weak. I provided many great and above average examples. Step your game up, son.
@@BLGClipsx But then what are you introducing for the alternative to Arenas' argument? Or do you agree with it? You are hinting at all Euro players should be indoctrinated into American schools so that they learn how to play the American way? Most American players are lazy and lack defensive effort as well. Perhaps being born in England's culture was one of the main reasons as to why OG tried harder on defense? These are factors. This is not just strictly a European issue. Go look up the Olympics in recent years, Team USA has shown struggles against Euro countries and African countries because the rules are different.
You're right, they run set plays in Europe, way way way more than in the US, which demands team defense - generally zone or zone press. Team defense is ALL about rotations and help side defense, running to the open man, etc. But this reliance on team defense diminishes the European players ability to play 1-on-1 basketball since they are never accustomed to this style of play. 1-on-1 is the staple in the NBA, getting your man on an island and exploiting mismatches.
The 3 point line is shorter which condenses the court, no 3 second rule to bring the center out of the paint, the paint is also smaller, more strict rules on dribbling so guys can't get away with things they do in the NBA, the defense is allowed to be physical on the perimeter, and less foul calls.
At 5:59 Brandon asks what year the game changed, I think the most pivotal moment in the Euro-ball style proving effective in the NBA was the 2014 Spurs vs Miami in the Championship Finals, that Spurs team humiliated a prime Miami LeBron in the Finals by a record margin by focusing on the extra pass, hunting for the open 3, finesse basketball. That is Euro ball and that style is only getting scarier now that shooters are coming in at 6'10"-7ft plus now. On a side note, Warriors did not play Euro ball, they had Curry and him alone doing special things the NBA hadn't seen before (running laps around the half court to get open, insane dribble pull ups 5 feet behind the 3 line, testing the limits of 3pt shot attempts while still shooting 44% from 3), all of that pressure from Curry alone forced teams to pick up high on the perimeter and then the problems really started when Klay another all time great shooter was realized and they just started piling on decent shooters around the lineup.
I agree. The Spurs really were the stapler in showing the 5 out ball being successful. Don't forget....Steve Kerr was a part of that Spurs staff. Mike Brown (Kerr's Assistant) stated in a Coaching Clinic that Kerr blended Pop and Phil philosophies
We should ask, So how come the Americans lost the FIBA World Cup to Europeans If they are so good at defence ? They even got beat by Canadians for the 3rd spot
@@cvgodd1432 Right!Keep shitting your panties and telling yourself that. I guess they must have gotten confused if they are men or women since that is a thing in America. With all the 17 genders team A and B were still checking if their balls really work or are just eggs in a sack
Meh, Tony P was okay on defense. If I had to rate his defense 2K style in his prime, I would give him a 77 on defensive awareness. Tim Duncan was a 97 and by far the primary reason the Spurs' defense being so great for such a long time. Shout out to Bruce Bowen too. Bowen was an elite defender. Ginobli was solid too, but not great.
Brandon Jennings did nothing at all to make Gilbert actually think about what he said. No offense to Jennings, but he just comes off like a dumb dude. He adds nothing to this show besides saying, "Ye, For real, I rock with that, let's all chill, maaan, he like dat doe". Just another mindless former athlete saying nothing at all.
@@HoneyBadger90 What's the point of being on the right side if you can't actually prove you are on the right side of the argument/debate? These arguments are for spectators that may be uninformed. Jennings did nothing to provide a substantive argument against Gil's take.
@@invincible0463 Marc Gasol was a center that won DPOY and the main communicator of the Grizzlies Grind House defense in the early 2010s. Gobert, Pau Gasol, Noah, AK-47, Porzingis, Turkoglu (Often was assigned to the best offensive perimeter player late in games), Capela, OG Anunobi, Wemby, Ilgauskas were all at one point solid, good, or great Euro born defenders in the NBA.
Shit he even explained if there was hand checking it only worked on guards who weren’t scoring guards. No stopping or post up to hand check. You can’t really hand check on a mobile guard because once you put your hand on him he passed you, you have to step back and give him space and find a way to stop him.
@@SolaceMcflymakes perfect sense….small guards with elite ball handling skills then AI shot too many attempts on terrible efficiency I’ll be honest AI is one of my favorite players but he’d be probably at 18ppg
@@snupedummy two different things. The offense is always going to find a way. The evolution of the game was happening on it’s own with the way the warriors changing the focus to the three. But the NBA handicaps defense for perceived entertainment while offense is on steroids.
You wonder why? Because you watch more uni games than eurobasket. The scouting was not done properly. Remember when doncic get draft 3rd? What a fucking joke. Dude was allready a pro.
Rudy Golbert is such a good defender that people assume all Europeans are good cause from what i seen in my 28 years only Ak47 Kirilenko, rudy golbert, and now Victor are good defenders. Ricky rubio was also ok but there was no elite european defender😂😂 they weren't bringing dudes from over there here to stop the ball lol they needed/wanted scorers
@@HighwayMercso was Shaq and shaq is considered a good defender😂😂. I dont care bout a 7ft center who has to move 5ft worth of leg every step guarding outside the paint
Euros didn't expand the game. They were allowed to play that style & American bigs were not allowed. Chris Webber, KG, & other bigs could've played that style if they were allowed. Dirk was the 1st big allowed to play away from the basket & facing the basket.
It's coaching, not styles. American big men can handle & shoot like Euros. They weren't allowed to play that style by he coaches. The Euro coaches used big men differently. Euros were soft & the US game was very physical. They changed the physicality of the game to accommodate the Euros. The more Euros showed up, the softer the game got. It's gotten so bad that now the Euro game is more physical than the US game. @@yvans.
European players have evolved the NBA by stretching out the floor without a doubt. But to sit here and say that there's no more defense in the NBA because the offense is "too good" is blasphemy. Every league in the world now has a strech big men but those leagues still have great defense. Rule changes since the early 2000's and 2010's have effected the game dramatically. Such as the freedom of movement rule that was implemented in 2018, as well as the abolishment of hand-checking in the early 2000's. Refs also play a major factor as well since they allow players to get away with travels, carry's and many more terrible things. Let's stop beating around the bush and call it for what it is.
Did he now ? So how come the Americans lost the FIBA World Cup to Europeans If they are so good at defence ? They even got beat by Canadians for the 3rd spot
@@jojothepolyglot1866FIBA only matters to weaker countries that have an issue making the Olympics. Be real. USA will smoke the competition like they every 4 years... its too easy if USA sends their actual top talent😂😅
@@Keev0ut it would have to be the USA vs a all-world team just to compete. Spain doesn't have the talent they used to. It'll literally be a smoke show per usual every 4 years.
Upon him mentioning Ant Mason, I said to myself I wouldnt lump him in with the company he mentioned. While he was an enforcer, he was an enforcer who actually had GAME and played basketball and didnt engage in pure thuggery like Oak did.
@@beardownbitches4074 no bro you can't keep up with euro bigs anymore, all of them are cooking you, euro guards are playing in euroleague because they can't play over so many overrated aau projects, 95% of american guards are overrated on defense and your bigs are nonexistent, from 2028 you are cooked in olympics and world cups, world cups are no longer yours, that will continue on olympics, you have maybe this year and that's it.
@@beardownbitches4074 If you're from Europe and want to get into the draft, you have to be especially talented offensively because they won't pay attention to you if you just good defender. There are certainly many solid defenders from Europe, but defense alone will not attract the attention of scouts.
@@stringer2295 the pf position got eliminated cuz refs stopped calling fouls downlow. They get other bigs in foul trouble but now it doesn’t matter cuz nobody is getting in foul trouble.
@@madscrillaog5703 I'm confused, people say that the league is too soft now and everything is a foul but now you're saying it's not calling enough fouls? Which one is it?
All these people saying Canada should be apart of America are ignorant please shutup. Brandon isn’t the most smart that’s why he didn’t go to college he got the bag. Gil is just being an asshole per usual
Gil is right on when the style changed, Imán Shumpert said the same thing on how when they was battling Steph he could see whoever won the war, that was the direction the league was heading towards.
@@Transfixionhow tall you think kat is? If you think anything pass 6’9, go look up a picture of luka and kat standing next to each other at the all star game
@@DracoDoubleOI looked and I can't find any pictures of them standing next to each other. I found a picture of Luka standing next to Jokic who is 6'11 and Luka is an easy 4-5 inches shorter than him.
What gil said is actually true. Take out the floor spacers and you will comeback to the old hard and grueling nba. Now is it enjoyable to watch? Probably not that is why they dont exist anymore. Imagine watching someone post up every possession and the other players are just standing up. His takes on the euro guards is facts also, imagine Luka guarding Kobe or MJ they will at least average 50 pts per game.
Stupid and dangerous statements from Gil. Was he talking about white people or europeans, because he said: They have no athleticism, no speed, no jumping ability. Westbrook has all this qualities, but is horrible defender.
If the europeans are so bad at defense, how couldn’t the USA lock Germany up in the World Cup. The euros have nothing to do with the evolution, go look at Steph Curry and then you may realise that Arenas is talking BS😉
That's what made MJ's play in his younger years so great; especially that 63 against Bos because they had bigs cloggin the lane and he still made it to the Rack; often.
Arenas is wrong. There are not 150 European. There are 64 European in the NBA that count a total of 450 players. The point guard position is the position with less european in it. MoT of european players in the nba are in the center, power forward and small forward position. 54 of them are not point guard so almost 85% of them actually are not point guard. That means there are 10 european players who are point guard in the NBA. So the only fact you put Luka is already great on percentage. It means 10% of european point guard are doing very good in the NBA. So yes totally disagree on this statement. For once I wish it would be research before statement. It sounds good but it's ot the reality when you take the actual numbers. Plus this fluctuate depending of the year. Before the big european were not good defensively or even just good at the center position. So you cannot just take 3 years and say lets remove all european players for this reason. If all european were bad at defense since when they started to come to the NBA I would agree but this is not the case. So overall I disagree with this statement/idea/assumption. Still I like the show because at least you guys talk about every subject even if you don't have the answer all the time. I like it. It allows to think deeper about the game.
He said name the best European guards but there are only 10 of them. Majority of guards are not European so how has the league changed because of this tiny amount
Sha played eybl in high school , they play an American schedule so he’s more American than anything else.Anyone from Canada is, that’s why they aren’t Euros
@@eddiealexander3736 you’re a very casual fan, if that were the case , they wouldn’t consider Manu a Euro, he’s from South America 🤷🏾 see how that works … now go take the L…
@@Supreme36074 I don’t care what “they” consider lmao I’m telling you that sga isnt a euro player because he’s from North America, that’s age 8 geography
take away the top 5 defensive europeans to make an argument make sense is crazy, even jokic the worst defender out of the top 5 offensive europeans is also top 5 in deflections make it make sense. Every top 5 player says scoring in the NBA is easy cause the american rules are different, no 3 seconds in the paint changes the game drastically can tip the ball in when on the rim etc etc.
This shows proof when people say America they automatically think USA but America is a continent not a country 😆 in the past somebody tried to argue me Haiti is not in America 😆
There are FIBA calendars for international matches and one of FIBA's roles is to regulate international games between different national teams. And a non-professional ( big three ) league that is not recognized by the U.S government cannot hold a match against a national team
Here is the thing most Canadians go to college usually in the US. Remember his original point was defense is learned in college. European players start playing pro at 14, 15 and they don't focus on defense as much. Brandon always seems to be lost in the conversations.
Sometimes the ignorance on this podcast is nasty lmao. Bruh Canada is a North American country. The United States OF America is just as much "America" as Canada
But how many players really do play defense in the nba not many these days there are 64 euro players in nba not all are gonna be top level defenders there are 450 players in nba 64 that makes 14 percent of the league what’s the rest of the 86 percent doing and how many euros are game changing players I don’t agree OG
Luka is essentially if Magic and Bird had a baby in a Slovenian lab… Elite passer, scorer, not very athletic but is big for his position… doesn’t shoot it as well as Larry but shoots it more often so his overall efficiency is higher or the same since he’s generating more points per shot… But if either Bird or Magic grew up in the 2000s and were drafted in 2010s there’s no doubt in my mind they’d be either the same as luka is if not better… More leaning towards better… Magic would’ve worked on his jumper and might’ve been like a 36% 3point shooter with like 6 attempts per game type shit… Larry was already 50-40-90 like 2-3 times so he’d be the same jus on more attempts so he’d average like 35 instead of 28…
That makes no sense. Luka isn't more efficient than Bird. Bird literally has a higher shooting percentage, 3 pt percentage, and free throw percentage. Luka shooting more shots doesn't make him more efficient, it makes him less. Your understanding of what efficiency means is off. Magic shot 38.4% in 1990 on 3.5 attempts per game and when he came back in 95-96 briefly he shot 37.9 % on 1.8 attempts per game. He also shot 90% from the line multiple times starting his 10th year. Later in his career when he concentrated on it his shooting was on point. He never even averaged more than 1 attempt from 3 until his 10th year in 1988. Magic definitely would have adapted and worked on his shooting earlier and been fine.
If Magic and Larry grew up in the 2000s, they wouldn't even be the same players. They'd end up as volume scorers - id HOPE Magic doesnt take the same route, cause the way people treated Ben Simmons...i cant imagine Magic getting boo'ed at home, period. But just imagine YOUNG Magic in a era where you are required to shoot
hand checking does not work against someone driving at you, go back and look at the tape the guards who were hand checked were backing down the defender. You can't place your hand on my hip if im dribbling directly in front of you or coming down the lane.
@@SolaceMcfly why? If you're playing man to man and pick your man up half court how is someone driving towards you. Picking your man up before they can set their offense
Handchecking simply means you have bad footwork, handchecking is used to force your opponent to their weak side, if your footwork is good enough you should be able to position your body in such a manner that does that anyway. If you can't mirror your opponent without using your hands then you're not that good defensively, that's just my opinion. I loved handchecking growing up, it made the game more physical and forced you to become well rounded both left and right handed and be comfortable from anywhere but it also made it extremely easy to shut down offenses.
I died when Kenyon said you have to cross the Atlantic Ocean to get here.
Definitely
Read ur comment as he said it ..
I died too
Yall let them fuck up America's game 😂
NO DOUBT
Once he started the Euro convo naming canadians i knew this wasnt gonna go well for him 😂
Yeah what he should have done is not let Gil run his narrative and pointed out the worse American defenders in that spot, like tray young.
I mean are you really calling a Steph curry and elite defender?
Andrei Kirilenko is probably the best European perimeter defender in NBA History that I can think of. Made 1 all defensive 1st team, and two 2nd teams.
agree. along with Thabo Sefolosha and Michael Pietris.
@@particularleeyeah but neither of them made all defensive so they’re up there but not 1
Bro, I knew his name but it wasn’t until I had an old 2k and looked at his stats from Utah and was like ohhhh! This dude was a BALLER!
Giannis just don't exist ?
Joel Embiid just got an American passport this year whilst being French and Cameroonian...
These guys really need a map
more like Brandon Jennings needs a map LOL
that elementary school geography 😹
@BraddahJon01 Even the others. Usually when they talk about the "euros" they mean white foreigners and include Ginobili
canada is a satellite state of england just like australia, the queen is on their money. Their ideology is european.
canada is a satellite state of england just like australia, the queen is on their money. Their ideology is european.
Brandon Jennings is not built for podcasting 😂
Homie too high lol.
Give him a break he learning everyone can’t be right
He to emotional like a child
😂😂Brandon got his lil feelings hurt trying to challenge Gil😂😂
He really not
Sometimes Jennings be showing that he skipped school cause how tf you name Shai & we’re talking Euro?
Y'all don't understand his point Jennings is saying at position Europe are dominating. But like top 50 players are Americans. But top 5 you can say European/Canada
@@Jabsss34 so why didn't he name Europeans when the question was specifically geared towards Europeans?
@@DarkSaber22cuz Gil changed the question so he couldn’t answer it lol. The top Europeans rn could easily be in the top 20 rn. Giannis, Luka, Jokic, Markennen, Gobert, Wemby, Sabonis,
@@ViqtorMarkennen, Gobert and Sabonis are not top 20. Please stop.
@@KayBaby30yes they are. You’re being xenophobic and your American bias is showing. Sabonis is literally leading the league in triple and double doubles ☠️ gobert leading dpoy??? Markannen are we being fr 😭😭 23-8 on 50-40-88 wtf are you saying?? Just say you don’t know ball and are biased
Jennings doesn’t know where Europe is 😂😂😂
He played there before the NBA tho
He played overseas before coming to the nba
@@terryxmcginnis he thought it was Canada
It’s okay, that’s that American education for you 😂😂😂
Black lives don’t matter to black people
That’s a stupid argument . There are 64 euro player in the nba. That’s 14% . By math alone americas will have the best players in numbers on defense and Offense by pure statistic. The fact the the best players in the leagues are foreign should let you know . Btw Rudy is French . But you will say exclude the big lol
Facts. Gil gone talk about name me 5 European guards that can defend then proceed to say that European bigs are to focus standing next to the 3 point line but forgot the fact they do that when they’re on offense and on defense they have to attempt to stay with their mark. This whole convo was dumb as hell
Detlef Schrempf was SO AMAZING he caused the NBA to change playing style??
Drazen Petrovic?
Maybe Sarunus Marculonis???
Luol Deng?!?!
@@timmynguyen4758nah it just went over your head because your comment is dumb.. the fact that you ain’t understand what was being said is crazy
@@shockwave2376they barely understand what they're saying 🤔🤦🏽♂️
And name some starting Euro guards, like it's such a stupid ass argument, THERES BASICALLY NO EURO GUARDS besides MICIC in charlotte!!
Asked him about Europe 😊
Talks about Canada 😢
Canada is a satellite state of England just like Australia, the queen is on their money
Americans gonna america 😂
This made Brandon Jennings look like a fool 🤦🏽♂️😂 … damn bring McCants back
Jennings is just doubling down. It's a joke for content.
Nah McCants is waaay worse
@@terrellspeed6984less mccants arguments are entertaining 😂😂😂
Real spill. McCants would've at least had his argument ready...BJ couldn't even name a foreign player. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@TonyJayy I wish I can co-sign this but nahh Brandon was dead ass serious😂. The slouch in the couch gave it away😭
Gobert, Giannis, Wemby and OG are off course on top of the class. Franz, Avdija, Batum, Sochan are really good and extremly versatile defenders. The reason Jennings can't think of any point guards is because there are'nt many from Europe in the NBA at the moment, but Schröder is descent and really good on full court press. This is all about Luka. There is no denying american guards have been more more athletic, but I don't see Trae, Harden, Steph, Dame, Poole, DLo, CJ and Clarkson beeing defensive juggernaughts. Luka is not gonna stop you at the perimiter but he has actually been one of the best post up defenders in the leuge this season.
Gilberts argument is going to age bad. Wemby is not the only european rookie that can defend, it's what keeps guys like Coulibaly and Camara on the floor. And a lot off the guys that are comming to the leuge from Europe, like Sarr and Risacher, are gonna get drafted just because of their defensive traits. Topic is probably another Teodosic story, though. Btw, there are 64 european players in the NBA not 150, ffs.
Gil's take won't age badly if you realize what his original point was. He was talking about learning and playing defense, specifically perimeter defense. Gil said it previously but one on one defense is primarily learned in college and the Euro players don't learn that. Euro defense revolves around team/zone defense. Yes, the Euro big men can play defense due to the fact you can't teach height. They also get plenty of practice defending the paint due to no 3 second rule. But the Euro guards can't play perimeter defense
@@justified004 that might be true. Still, Trae and the orther americans mentioned above haven't learned shit in college, at least there not making any effort. I don't think a year off college would make much difference for Luka or any other euro guards. Again who are these these perimeter defenders Gill is gonna get rid off? As I said there are very few euro guards in the leuge at the moment, Facu, Korkmaz, Satoransky, Dragic, Hayes, Maledon, Rubio are out of the leuge and at least two of them were pretty good on defense. The guys that are still in the leuge: Ntlikina, Schröder, Luka, Bogdanovic and Micic are not worse than the americans mentioned, or they are not playing at all. One on one defense is pretty much what kept Frank on the floor before his injury. Coulibaly, Camara and OG are not pgs but good perimiter defenders. He might be thinking about big and slow wings and power forwards like Cancar, Gallinari, Bertans, but college won't save them. Gils takes are totally enstranged from any world we live in, regardless wich point he was emphasizeing here. Guys from Latvia, Lithuania and Slovenia are not in the leuge to attract a new european market. The rules hasn't change for them, they changed for superstars like MJ, Bron and Steph.
It's shocking that no one has stated the obvious yet. This whole conversation fails to acknowledge that from the beginning till now, the overwhelming majority of NBA players have been American... Therefore, the sample size of European players is extremely small. It's only more recently that we're starting to see move European players so we'd have to give it time. We're comparing decades of the league probably being 90%+ American players compared to 10% or less international players. It's only now where maybe 20% are international players and even then, a smaller size are European players so it will be hard to rattle off European players/all-stars let alone defensive stars that are European.
Euros are SO SUPER DUPER AMAZING that Americans had to change the rules to piss off blacks...
That was a funny Take but the lack of defense in the league is solely the NBA's fault in its catery to the offenses
I've always believed this to be true. People just bash the players too quickly instead of the NBA allowing the players to play defense
Exactly like Gil’s take makes no sense because we’ve seen on the FIBA/World stage most euro teams are more physical and give more effort on defense than us.l we just have an advantage in athleticism. It’s the culture NBA and American AAU basketball has cultivated because they prioritize offense over everything. Euro players had nothing to do with it.
@marcusjackson8084 the court is smaller and there is no 3 in the key so you can pack the floor...
....complete different game... usa teams these last few yrs have ran small ball lineups to beat teams playing faster and shooting more
@@allfactstv3812 It is a different game but it’s still has a heavier defensive focus than our current game does. That’s why I don’t understand why Gil points to their style or their players coming in more as why the game is how it is. We took influence from their offensive systems, for sure, but the NBA changing rules to limit defenders to improve scoring numbers and AAU/HS programs primarily only caring about teaching offense is what created the lack of consistent defensive effort in the modern NBA
@@XanielMarino it's heavier defense because of the rules and the floor spacing the athletic style of the nba would adapt to those rules... the nba changed the floor to encourage perimeter play instead of the post play that was heavy in the 80s and 90s ....if three in the key was eliminated in the nba there will be players that could abuse it on the offensive end too
What doesn't this also refute Gil's take that European players are messing up the league if you can't even name more than 5 to 10...
Arenas thinks he is slick trying to switch up what he said lol
Yall don’t listen. He said guards. Majority of the euros are big men and he just explained how big men changed the game. There aren’t many euro guards cuz they aren’t athletic enough. He said that too yall just hear what yall wanna hear
@@50clippppSo Shai, Jamal Murray, Luka, remember they are also Europeans
@user-lt1fx2he5s you need a map? The first two from Canada
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m shai is really from the us he just rep Canada😂 and Jamal isn’t European. You had a better chance saying Franz Wagner
There's one thing about Gil's point the other night that didn't make sense. He said we softened the game and that allowed the Europeans to thrive. I think it's the opposite. Removing physicality hurt the Europeans. Their game is more about strength. Whereas the NBA game is more about quickness and speed in open spaces. If you clogged the lanes the Europeans would be doing even better.
NOPE! Watch old b ball clips ? The minute these euro dudes came league is soft
@@josephtanner3929Nah the minute the European players came over that’s when they started exposing the NBA lack of defense
@@josephtanner3929The officiating is what made it soft. Euros and other internationals were starting to come over regardless as the game went global
I haven't met a true shooter in my life that likes getting bodied up. The NBA eliminating the physicality ABSOLUTELY benefits the Euro players
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m This is the most logical explanation yet. European leagues abuse the hell out of extremely complex defensive schemes, the majority of NBA is man to man defense and maybe some switches, teams barely use zones. As we see more European players enter the league we'll see more and more thrive because they know every counter to every defense. Where US players thrive is being extraordinary athletes but we're starting to see that skill can get the job done just as effectively if not more effectively. Steph, Tim Duncan, Jokic, Kawhi, Dirk. From 2003/4-2024, the best player on the championship winning team was more skilled than athletic minus the Heat/Lebron & Bucks.
Gill really doesnt like defense😂😂
He never played a lick
He never played a lick of defense
At all!
Lmaooo. Thats why u gotta take some of the shi he says with a grain of salt
?? What is even giving yall that impression
We damn near gotta count Canada as America …they all go to High school and college out here
And there best teams play for the nba. Makes no sense they would be considered Euro
And it sure as hell isn't in Europe
We do. At all times. Toronto is a suburb of buffalo and new york. Lets not kid ourselves here. Half the people in those cities are moving back and forth every other generation in their family. Quebec and rural canada, sure. TO? Hell no. Thats an american city.
@@area52musichow is Toronto a suburb of Buffalo when it's more than 3 times the size and the 4th biggest market in the NBA behind LA, NY and Chi. Please educate yourself smh.
@@R.B.90 probably because it’s only like a hour drive from Buffalo to Toronto
Not on North American continent:
Luka
Giannis
Embiid
Jokic
Gobert
Sabonis
Kyrie Irving (Australia)
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Bojan Bogdanovic
Siakam
OG Anunoby(England)
Victor Wembanyama
Franz Wagner
Lauri Markanen
Coulibali(rookie lottery pick last yr)
Maxi Kleber
Deni Avdija
Rui Hachimura
Vučevič
Steven Adams
Sengun
Ben Simmons
Josh Giddey
I think this is good.
Denis Schroder
Patty Mills
Take off Kyrie he is American I know he was born in Australia but he’s American same with Sabonis his heritage is Lithuanian but he was born in the US but Sabonis is a European player Kyrie is not
Gil literally created the point on the fly to try to justify what he said 😂😂😂😂
The problem is folk watching clips not him
It’s mad filtered though this conversation. Europeans but no bigs how many European 1-3s are in the league? How many are starting? Probably not even 10 Jennings was doomed from the start 😂
Glad im not the only one noticing
This is why I will constantly say World VS USA all star game will make it competitive. Take the top 15 from both sides and let ‘em play. The game is ruined already let’s open it up.
It did happen recently! So how come the Americans lost the FIBA World Cup to Europeans If they are so good at defence ? They even got beat by Canadians for the 3rd spot
@@jojothepolyglot1866you didn’t hear what he said he said the top 15 not the bottom. Canada had their best.
Curry Tatum Bron KD AD/embiid
Dame booker George Leonard bam holiday draymond brown
Those would be our top and nobody touching them
@@jojothepolyglot1866Austin reeves isn't a top nothing in America....
@@jalenkyle93 All gas! So why the heck didn't you send them. Things have changed buddy. THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GET EMBARASSED! Now go dig a hole in the ground and put in your D
@@jalenkyle93BTW Embid is European 🥴😉
Am Serbian and we have decent guards in Europe.But Gilbert is right ,no great point guards ,shooting guards compared to Americans
Thats goin to change in next decade. Whats happening is in usa sports. Less n less kids are playing sports. All they do is shoot up threes. American basketball player has become lazy n spoiled. These foreigners especiaĺly europeans. They r hungry. Moment they come to nba nowadays. They dominate. PG n SG. In usa. They want big forwards. In usa. They feel they dont trust euro SG n PG. Its going to change. It takes one player
Gilbert already knows that most if european players in the NBA are over 6'6 😅" that is why he says "find me great europeans defenders under 6'6". But go check the french rookie guard Bilal Coulibaly from Washington, he's a strong 2 way player, super skilled in defense. he's about 6'6.
We're going to be at a point where 6'4-6'5 is going to be undersized for a PG. Crazy times
Lamelo ball
Kirilenko is maybe one...
The only one 😂
AK for sure. Rubio and Galinari were both great defenders in their prime. Luol Deng is arguably from the UK. Boris Diaw, Nick Batum, Mikael Peitrus, all great wing defenders. I wish Gil asked me that question and not B Jennings who was a bucket but clearly doesn't know anything about the game somehow lol
@@R.B.90JJ Barea, Dennis Schroeder
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m you only adding to my point. That what I mean. Why is Gil asking slow as Jennings this question lol
@@R.B.90Exactly
Bill Laimbeer was shooting 3-pointers back in the 1980s for those who know💯💯💯💯
Yea one of the best stretch 5 people only look at the hard fouling
Lol like 1 maybe 2 a game
TRUTH SPOKEN!!!!!!!
Exactly, Tom Chambers, Manut Bol, etc...
Lambeer, Detlef, Sabonis, Chambers, Perkins, Mcadoo, Cliff Robinson, etc. Guys have always been able to shoot. They wasn't allowed to in offense if they did they got benched.
The reason the floor isn't packed is because everyone is shooting threes. But the NBA changed the rules to allow for that to take place. Centers can't sit in the lane
anymore because they will call defensive three seconds on you.
Jennings naming Canadians is so dumb not because they are not Europeans... but because they grow up playing American basketball smh... I'm from Toronto trust me. All the best players here... same as the states, play their last few high-school years at a prep school in the states before playing college ball there too. I remember when Cory Joseph was coming up. His older brother Devoe was also a well known baller here but not nearly as good as Cory. By the time Cory was old enough to go to high-school both him and Tristan Thompson were moved to Texas to play in a prep school before playing college ball there too. Devoe who didn't get that luxury ended up at a division 3 school in the states and who knows where he is now... so for the most part any Canadian in the NBA are basically just American (not in nationality in Basketball experience). U would think Brandon would know that as a player since he probably went up against Canadians in high-school smh.
Brandon is just a statue for background purposes in Gil's Arena. Dude never says over 75 words per show.
Ur wrong devoe went to Minnesota then Oregon , both good D1 schools, Ik devoe nd cory ..
@@josheasy6716 okay then I apologize. It doesn't change the point I was making. I do remember he went to Minnesota cuz I remember looking him up but I didn't know it was a D1 school. I'm not sure the point you are making tho. Are you arguing my point? You're saying I'm wrong. Other than that one error what is wrong with what I said? Get off your high horse cuz you know Devoe and Cory. It's 2024 no one cares 🤷🏾♂️
@@R.B.90 Shoutout Devoe, just got that shoutout on that Drake record recently
@@hennyknows oh shii no way that's dope. Tbh I don't really listen to drake anymore. That's cool though.
Marc Gasol was a center that won DPOY and the main communicator of the Grizzlies Grind House defense in the early 2010s. Gobert, Pau Gasol, Noah, AK-47, Porzingis, Turkoglu (Often was assigned to the best offensive perimeter player late in games), Capela, OG Anunobi, Ilgauskas were all at one point solid, good, or great Euro born defenders in the NBA.
OG played high school basketball in America. He doesn’t count. And Turk was never a lockdown defender
@@BLGClipsx Never said Turk was a lockdown defender. I said he was solid. The question was relating to EURO BORN players. Gilbert was originally proposing that all EURO born players should not be allowed to play in the NBA because their defense was weak. I provided many great and above average examples. Step your game up, son.
@@BLGClipsx OG was born in England btw. That would be apart of Europe.
@@QuestionEverything562 he didn’t play basketball in Europe so it wouldn’t count. He played basketball in America growing up
@@BLGClipsx But then what are you introducing for the alternative to Arenas' argument? Or do you agree with it? You are hinting at all Euro players should be indoctrinated into American schools so that they learn how to play the American way? Most American players are lazy and lack defensive effort as well. Perhaps being born in England's culture was one of the main reasons as to why OG tried harder on defense? These are factors. This is not just strictly a European issue. Go look up the Olympics in recent years, Team USA has shown struggles against Euro countries and African countries because the rules are different.
How come they play defense in Europe against the crazy offensive style played there?
Rules. They still pack the paint and can basically goaltend.
You're right, they run set plays in Europe, way way way more than in the US, which demands team defense - generally zone or zone press. Team defense is ALL about rotations and help side defense, running to the open man, etc. But this reliance on team defense diminishes the European players ability to play 1-on-1 basketball since they are never accustomed to this style of play. 1-on-1 is the staple in the NBA, getting your man on an island and exploiting mismatches.
There are lot less good shooters in Europe now...Thats why i am surpised when Edwards was struggling in the World cup...@@jasonhoppe781
The 3 point line is shorter which condenses the court, no 3 second rule to bring the center out of the paint, the paint is also smaller, more strict rules on dribbling so guys can't get away with things they do in the NBA, the defense is allowed to be physical on the perimeter, and less foul calls.
At 5:59 Brandon asks what year the game changed, I think the most pivotal moment in the Euro-ball style proving effective in the NBA was the 2014 Spurs vs Miami in the Championship Finals, that Spurs team humiliated a prime Miami LeBron in the Finals by a record margin by focusing on the extra pass, hunting for the open 3, finesse basketball. That is Euro ball and that style is only getting scarier now that shooters are coming in at 6'10"-7ft plus now.
On a side note, Warriors did not play Euro ball, they had Curry and him alone doing special things the NBA hadn't seen before (running laps around the half court to get open, insane dribble pull ups 5 feet behind the 3 line, testing the limits of 3pt shot attempts while still shooting 44% from 3), all of that pressure from Curry alone forced teams to pick up high on the perimeter and then the problems really started when Klay another all time great shooter was realized and they just started piling on decent shooters around the lineup.
That Spurs style ball was some of the most fundamentally beautiful ball I have watched in my 50 years. It was so pretty.
I agree. The Spurs really were the stapler in showing the 5 out ball being successful. Don't forget....Steve Kerr was a part of that Spurs staff. Mike Brown (Kerr's Assistant) stated in a Coaching Clinic that Kerr blended Pop and Phil philosophies
We gone need some colder water Dey tryna smoke us outta here. Lebron James on playing in the finals 2014 San Antonio 🏆.
That Spurs team definitely changed the game even in the first finals they lost against Miami…passing was impeccable
So were just gonna make believe that they didn't have one of the greatest defensive wings ever?
Arenas is back paddling from his last take lol
We should ask, So how come the Americans lost the FIBA World Cup to Europeans If they are so good at defence ? They even got beat by Canadians for the 3rd spot
@@jojothepolyglot1866the USA didn’t send their best
@@raymondmosby8080 We don't care! THEY SENT WHO THEY THOUGHT WAS BEST AND THAT'S IT! The rest is just pan'gan'ga you guys are yapping
@@jojothepolyglot1866no they sent their third options because the first and second didn’t want to go! If we sent the best players it wouldn’t be fair.
@@cvgodd1432 Right!Keep shitting your panties and telling yourself that. I guess they must have gotten confused if they are men or women since that is a thing in America. With all the 17 genders team A and B were still checking if their balls really work or are just eggs in a sack
BRANDON JENNINGS DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE .. SO EXCUSE HIM IF HE DOESN'T KNOW THAT CANADA IS NOT EUROPE ..
Americans need to college to know Canada is the country above the 49th parallel 🙄
@@R.B.90So in other words Canada is not part of the US and players that come from Canada are still European/foreign players
This take is stupid because he played in Europe wtf
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m That makes 0 sense geographically or from a common sense perspective.
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m congratulations. You just exposed yourself.
every day I have a good laugh about "Bo BongBonnavich" lmaoo
Devin Booker Luka 6'9 , Shai 6'7??
Who did the measuerments?? Stevie Wonder?
Gil is so used to getting heated he immediately went to yelling mode. Meanwhile Jennings is like, yoooo bruh, I'm just asking. lol
The magic last season had a lineup with Paolo at the 1 Wagner at 2 bol bol , mo bamba and someone else lol
Canadians don’t count those like our cousins that lived in the good side of town
They think canada is beside Germany 🤦🏿♂️
@@josephtanner3929 they think Canada next to Russia and shii
Canada is basically a satellite state of England. The queen is on their money
Steve Nash: Canadian
SGA: North American
Hmmmm.....
@dawg2067 technically it is. The artic
Is this the same guy that brought a gun to a basketball game to defend himself?
Tony Parker played good defense and ginobli. Both Gasol brothers.
Meh, Tony P was okay on defense. If I had to rate his defense 2K style in his prime, I would give him a 77 on defensive awareness. Tim Duncan was a 97 and by far the primary reason the Spurs' defense being so great for such a long time. Shout out to Bruce Bowen too. Bowen was an elite defender. Ginobli was solid too, but not great.
That was team rotations you mistake for individual skill..
Ginobili isn't from Europe
Brandon Jennings did nothing at all to make Gilbert actually think about what he said. No offense to Jennings, but he just comes off like a dumb dude. He adds nothing to this show besides saying, "Ye, For real, I rock with that, let's all chill, maaan, he like dat doe". Just another mindless former athlete saying nothing at all.
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@HoneyBadger90 so prove how gil is wrong. How many European players can you name that are good defenders. Other than the obvious few bigs.
@@HoneyBadger90 What's the point of being on the right side if you can't actually prove you are on the right side of the argument/debate? These arguments are for spectators that may be uninformed. Jennings did nothing to provide a substantive argument against Gil's take.
@@invincible0463 I can name every one historically and now.
@@invincible0463 Marc Gasol was a center that won DPOY and the main communicator of the Grizzlies Grind House defense in the early 2010s. Gobert, Pau Gasol, Noah, AK-47, Porzingis, Turkoglu (Often was assigned to the best offensive perimeter player late in games), Capela, OG Anunobi, Wemby, Ilgauskas were all at one point solid, good, or great Euro born defenders in the NBA.
Gil just explained why AI would avg 43. No center in the paint. No hand checking. AI is breaking down EVERY defender in that situation!
Shit he even explained if there was hand checking it only worked on guards who weren’t scoring guards. No stopping or post up to hand check. You can’t really hand check on a mobile guard because once you put your hand on him he passed you, you have to step back and give him space and find a way to stop him.
Is Kyrie averaging even 30?So AI would not average 43...
@@Vojkan2000that makes zero fucking sense
@@SolaceMcflymakes perfect sense….small guards with elite ball handling skills then AI shot too many attempts on terrible efficiency I’ll be honest AI is one of my favorite players but he’d be probably at 18ppg
@@michaelisaac443918? Go to bed
As a Canadian who lives right beside the US, I fully agree with Brandon Jennings that Canada is in Europe.
Wtf😂
You had to cross the Atlantic Ocean 😂😂😂
Sometimes..... graduating early from HS can show😂😂😂
The freedom of movement rules fucked the defense up.
And the offensive schemes along with the talents
@@snupedummy two different things. The offense is always going to find a way. The evolution of the game was happening on it’s own with the way the warriors changing the focus to the three. But the NBA handicaps defense for perceived entertainment while offense is on steroids.
Mickael pietrus, nick Batum, Rudy Fernandez, Marculionis, Dennis Schroeder. 5 great nba defenders from Europe from 1-3 position.
He's talking about active players so 2?
@@Diego-fy6qz How many active guys from Europe you have that play 1-3 position? You don't have 5 guys that play.
@@branislavlukic3919 I wonder why 🤔
Shhhhh
You wonder why? Because you watch more uni games than eurobasket. The scouting was not done properly.
Remember when doncic get draft 3rd? What a fucking joke. Dude was allready a pro.
Rudy Golbert is such a good defender that people assume all Europeans are good cause from what i seen in my 28 years only Ak47 Kirilenko, rudy golbert, and now Victor are good defenders. Ricky rubio was also ok but there was no elite european defender😂😂 they weren't bringing dudes from over there here to stop the ball lol they needed/wanted scorers
Ricky was good, until a really quick guard came along and would torch him. BJ prolly lit him up, he used to hold CP to terrible games tho somehow
He's big man, he said 1-3
Giannis too. But yea that's it! And maybe Batum when he was in his hay day
Rudy is a rim defender... get him out the paint and he barbecue chicken
@@HighwayMercso was Shaq and shaq is considered a good defender😂😂. I dont care bout a 7ft center who has to move 5ft worth of leg every step guarding outside the paint
8:42 😂 Denver already tried that, but it did not work out lol
Euros didn't expand the game. They were allowed to play that style & American bigs were not allowed. Chris Webber, KG, & other bigs could've played that style if they were allowed. Dirk was the 1st big allowed to play away from the basket & facing the basket.
They weren’t allowed nothing lol this was just their style of play.
North American and European didn’t learn B-Ball the same.
It's coaching, not styles. American big men can handle & shoot like Euros. They weren't allowed to play that style by he coaches. The Euro coaches used big men differently. Euros were soft & the US game was very physical. They changed the physicality of the game to accommodate the Euros. The more Euros showed up, the softer the game got. It's gotten so bad that now the Euro game is more physical than the US game. @@yvans.
So 14 percent of the league dictates bad defense wow thats bullshit if you cant ball you dont play its that simple
How do you go play in Europe and don't know where Europe is at
European players have evolved the NBA by stretching out the floor without a doubt. But to sit here and say that there's no more defense in the NBA because the offense is "too good" is blasphemy. Every league in the world now has a strech big men but those leagues still have great defense. Rule changes since the early 2000's and 2010's have effected the game dramatically. Such as the freedom of movement rule that was implemented in 2018, as well as the abolishment of hand-checking in the early 2000's. Refs also play a major factor as well since they allow players to get away with travels, carry's and many more terrible things. Let's stop beating around the bush and call it for what it is.
Gil cleaned that up real nice, professional
Did he now ? So how come the Americans lost the FIBA World Cup to Europeans If they are so good at defence ? They even got beat by Canadians for the 3rd spot
@@jojothepolyglot1866FIBA only matters to weaker countries that have an issue making the Olympics. Be real. USA will smoke the competition like they every 4 years... its too easy if USA sends their actual top talent😂😅
@@mitchy2311we will see with next olympic games
Gil didn't clean up anything Brandon is just as dumb as gil is
@@Keev0ut it would have to be the USA vs a all-world team just to compete. Spain doesn't have the talent they used to. It'll literally be a smoke show per usual every 4 years.
Euros had little to do with stretching the floor, almost all the best shooters have been American and the game was inevitably going to evolve that way
Franz Wagner disrespect
Bro gets fried doe 😂😂😂😂 he's a elite
He was no1 in defensive rating last time I checked. There was like 8 Europeans (not Canadians Jennings) in the top 27.
Jennings thinks Canadians aren't Americans... Sir, this is NORTH AMERICA!!! 😂
"wtf you're eating bruh"🤣🤣🤣
Upon him mentioning Ant Mason, I said to myself I wouldnt lump him in with the company he mentioned. While he was an enforcer, he was an enforcer who actually had GAME and played basketball and didnt engage in pure thuggery like Oak did.
Gil was a telling the truth
You americans ain't cooking anyone anymore
@@Peca-sz6yt the NBA nerfing defense to let more Euros play is disingenuous to the game...
@@beardownbitches4074 no bro you can't keep up with euro bigs anymore, all of them are cooking you, euro guards are playing in euroleague because they can't play over so many overrated aau projects, 95% of american guards are overrated on defense and your bigs are nonexistent, from 2028 you are cooked in olympics and world cups, world cups are no longer yours, that will continue on olympics, you have maybe this year and that's it.
@@beardownbitches4074 you just cannot accept you are getting cooked by euro players so now you search for reasons and excuses, so lame
@@beardownbitches4074 If you're from Europe and want to get into the draft, you have to be especially talented offensively because they won't pay attention to you if you just good defender. There are certainly many solid defenders from Europe, but defense alone will not attract the attention of scouts.
The elimination of the pf spot changed the game. Along with refs not calling fouls in the paint compared to jump shooters being completely protected
You just proved Gil’s point because that position was eliminated by Dirk lol
@@stringer2295 dirk didn’t eliminate the position. Are u on a perk 10 or 30?
@@stringer2295 the pf position got eliminated cuz refs stopped calling fouls downlow. They get other bigs in foul trouble but now it doesn’t matter cuz nobody is getting in foul trouble.
@@madscrillaog5703 you must be young lol
@@madscrillaog5703 I'm confused, people say that the league is too soft now and everything is a foul but now you're saying it's not calling enough fouls? Which one is it?
Jennings don’t know his world surroundings 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣! Basketball got him through high school!
Fundamental ball is put the window.. its all about protecting the brand.. finding the best way to prevent any injury while entertaining the crowd
All these people saying Canada should be apart of America are ignorant please shutup. Brandon isn’t the most smart that’s why he didn’t go to college he got the bag. Gil is just being an asshole per usual
They dont play defense. Wemby: hold my drink
He said guards dang man lol
7 4 WHAT ELSE YOU GOING TO DO
Gil is right on when the style changed, Imán Shumpert said the same thing on how when they was battling Steph he could see whoever won the war, that was the direction the league was heading towards.
9:01 that big team gills talking about. Was Toronto
Gil is hilariously off on heights. Luka is not 6'9 and Shai is not 6'8 but he keeps pushing a narrative that no one is buying.
He’s assuming everyone just grows cuz they came in at 19 or 20
Luka is easily 6’9
@@Timur21So you're saying Luka is as tall as Kenyon Martin? Please stop.
@@Transfixionhow tall you think kat is? If you think anything pass 6’9, go look up a picture of luka and kat standing next to each other at the all star game
@@DracoDoubleOI looked and I can't find any pictures of them standing next to each other. I found a picture of Luka standing next to Jokic who is 6'11 and Luka is an easy 4-5 inches shorter than him.
Kmart be killin me with them damn socks 😂😂😂
Josiah’s use of slang always cracks me up cuz he sounds like a suburban dad
What gil said is actually true. Take out the floor spacers and you will comeback to the old hard and grueling nba. Now is it enjoyable to watch? Probably not that is why they dont exist anymore. Imagine watching someone post up every possession and the other players are just standing up. His takes on the euro guards is facts also, imagine Luka guarding Kobe or MJ they will at least average 50 pts per game.
Stupid and dangerous statements from Gil. Was he talking about white people or europeans, because he said: They have no athleticism, no speed, no jumping ability.
Westbrook has all this qualities, but is horrible defender.
If the europeans are so bad at defense, how couldn’t the USA lock Germany up in the World Cup. The euros have nothing to do with the evolution, go look at Steph Curry and then you may realise that Arenas is talking BS😉
I feel like once the 5 second back to the basket and 3 sec in paint killed defense tbh
Jennings always throwing a fit like wah wah boo boo. Dude is self absorbed
That's what made MJ's play in his younger years so great; especially that 63 against Bos because they had bigs cloggin the lane and he still made it to the Rack; often.
Lauri Markkanen and the Bogdanovich brothers
Boganovic Bogdan and Bojan are not brothers...they are not even from the same country...but I agree, they are good defenders for today standards
Arenas is wrong. There are not 150 European.
There are 64 European in the NBA that count a total of 450 players.
The point guard position is the position with less european in it. MoT of european players in the nba are in the center, power forward and small forward position. 54 of them are not point guard so almost 85% of them actually are not point guard.
That means there are 10 european players who are point guard in the NBA. So the only fact you put Luka is already great on percentage. It means 10% of european point guard are doing very good in the NBA.
So yes totally disagree on this statement. For once I wish it would be research before statement. It sounds good but it's ot the reality when you take the actual numbers.
Plus this fluctuate depending of the year. Before the big european were not good defensively or even just good at the center position. So you cannot just take 3 years and say lets remove all european players for this reason. If all european were bad at defense since when they started to come to the NBA I would agree but this is not the case.
So overall I disagree with this statement/idea/assumption.
Still I like the show because at least you guys talk about every subject even if you don't have the answer all the time. I like it. It allows to think deeper about the game.
He said name the best European guards but there are only 10 of them. Majority of guards are not European so how has the league changed because of this tiny amount
@@bjrnthebootybandit exactly why I am disagree with his statement
Sha played eybl in high school , they play an American schedule so he’s more American than anything else.Anyone from Canada is, that’s why they aren’t Euros
No they aren’t euros because they aren’t from Europe 😂 nothin to do with the type of basketball they play
@@eddiealexander3736 you’re a very casual fan, if that were the case , they wouldn’t consider Manu a Euro, he’s from South America 🤷🏾 see how that works … now go take the L…
@@Supreme36074 I don’t care what “they” consider lmao I’m telling you that sga isnt a euro player because he’s from North America, that’s age 8 geography
Theres literally only 15% of Euro players that actually play but, lets get rid of the best players in the NBA
take away the top 5 defensive europeans to make an argument make sense is crazy, even jokic the worst defender out of the top 5 offensive europeans is also top 5 in deflections make it make sense. Every top 5 player says scoring in the NBA is easy cause the american rules are different, no 3 seconds in the paint changes the game drastically can tip the ball in when on the rim etc etc.
Gilbert is the basketball mind that everybody needs to listen to truly understand and respect basketball ..
Euro players also said it’s easier to score in the NBA than FIBA because of the rules. Luka, Giannis, Jokic all said it.
Gil is moving the goalpost and doing verbal gymnastics at the same time
This shows proof when people say America they automatically think USA but America is a continent not a country 😆 in the past somebody tried to argue me Haiti is not in America 😆
Someone tried to argue with me and say Mexicans aren’t Americans
@@dawg2067 right we share the same continent really our nickname is U.S citizens it just doesn’t have a good ring to it so we say Americans
america is 2 continents. i live in colombia currently and people get pissed if you say you're american, they say yeah, me too
@@ljsmith197878as they should
When Gil is right! Gil is right!
STEPH CURRY CHANGE THE GAME NOT EURO SHH...
Lmao Gil just learned Canada wasn’t European a week ago. Last week it was “all the Europeans, including Canada” 🤣🤣
There are FIBA calendars for international matches and one of FIBA's roles is to regulate international games between different national teams.
And a non-professional ( big three ) league that is not recognized by the U.S government cannot hold a match against a national team
euros didn’t create the 5 out. advanced analytics showed midrange shots suck so teams don’t shoot them anymore. that created 5 out.
The NBA wants more offense. Faster and highlights is where it's at. Most Euro players have been playing grown men since they were 14 and 15 years old
A 6'7 athletic PG with SUPURB vision and IQ in Penny Hardaway was an anomaly and was ahead of his time. My favorite player till this day.
Here is the thing most Canadians go to college usually in the US. Remember his original point was defense is learned in college. European players start playing pro at 14, 15 and they don't focus on defense as much. Brandon always seems to be lost in the conversations.
Curry expanded the floor
Ball REALLY was Life for Brandon Jennings 😂
Gil started off asking about euro gaurds.... he must've forgot about Tony Parker
Kyrie and Ben (Australians mate or they were born in the USA?)
Sometimes the ignorance on this podcast is nasty lmao. Bruh Canada is a North American country. The United States OF America is just as much "America" as Canada
Exactly - it is clear they understand but they can’t articulate it so it comes out sounding like they are well… stupid.
But how many players really do play defense in the nba not many these days there are 64 euro players in nba not all are gonna be top level defenders there are 450 players in nba 64 that makes 14 percent of the league what’s the rest of the 86 percent doing and how many euros are game changing players I don’t agree OG
Luka is essentially if Magic and Bird had a baby in a Slovenian lab…
Elite passer, scorer, not very athletic but is big for his position… doesn’t shoot it as well as Larry but shoots it more often so his overall efficiency is higher or the same since he’s generating more points per shot…
But if either Bird or Magic grew up in the 2000s and were drafted in 2010s there’s no doubt in my mind they’d be either the same as luka is if not better…
More leaning towards better…
Magic would’ve worked on his jumper and might’ve been like a 36% 3point shooter with like 6 attempts per game type shit…
Larry was already 50-40-90 like 2-3 times so he’d be the same jus on more attempts so he’d average like 35 instead of 28…
That makes no sense. Luka isn't more efficient than Bird. Bird literally has a higher shooting percentage, 3 pt percentage, and free throw percentage. Luka shooting more shots doesn't make him more efficient, it makes him less. Your understanding of what efficiency means is off.
Magic shot 38.4% in 1990 on 3.5 attempts per game and when he came back in 95-96 briefly he shot 37.9 % on 1.8 attempts per game. He also shot 90%
from the line multiple times starting his 10th year. Later in his career when he concentrated on it his shooting was on point. He never even averaged more than 1 attempt from 3 until his 10th year in 1988. Magic definitely would have adapted and worked on his shooting earlier and been fine.
If Magic and Larry grew up in the 2000s, they wouldn't even be the same players. They'd end up as volume scorers - id HOPE Magic doesnt take the same route, cause the way people treated Ben Simmons...i cant imagine Magic getting boo'ed at home, period. But just imagine YOUNG Magic in a era where you are required to shoot
8:45. A team that size - what did Steph say about big guys? BBQ chicken baby.
I believe they need to just bring back hand checking🤷🏿♂️
hand checking does not work against someone driving at you, go back and look at the tape the guards who were hand checked were backing down the defender. You can't place your hand on my hip if im dribbling directly in front of you or coming down the lane.
@@SolaceMcfly why? If you're playing man to man and pick your man up half court how is someone driving towards you. Picking your man up before they can set their offense
Handchecking simply means you have bad footwork, handchecking is used to force your opponent to their weak side, if your footwork is good enough you should be able to position your body in such a manner that does that anyway. If you can't mirror your opponent without using your hands then you're not that good defensively, that's just my opinion. I loved handchecking growing up, it made the game more physical and forced you to become well rounded both left and right handed and be comfortable from anywhere but it also made it extremely easy to shut down offenses.