Nigel Farage urges Zelenskyy to seek a peace deal with Russia? | LBC debate
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- Ali Miraj is joined by former UK ambassador to Ukraine Leigh Turner after Nigel Farage said that Zelenskyy should seek a peace deal with Russia.
Mr Farage said that "of course" Vladimir Putin is at fault for his country's war with Kyiv.
But he maintained that the "ever-eastward expansion" of Nato and the European Union had given the Kremlin "an excuse" to move troops across the border.
The Reform UK leader said he was not an "apologist" for the Russian president but "what I have been saying for the past 10 years is that the West has played into Putin's hands, giving him the excuse to do what he wanted to do anyway".
Mr Farage has faced criticism from former PM Boris Johnson, who accused him of spreading 'Kremlin Propaganda'.
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Appeasement, he's talking about appeasement, and if you think putin is going to stop at Ukraine, you need to get out of public life.
FARAGE THE APPEASER.
@@Dark_Bandon Farage the Russian asset.
Ukraine knows. It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees.
NATO is losing the war. And the war is going to be lost. And that's what he's talking about: A white flag. That's not appeasement. Appeasement implies you could have resisted but chose to give into demands. This is about surrender, which is what happens when you lose a war. Don't like it? That's not Farages fault, that's NATO's fault for picking a losing fight
Wheres Putin going to go exactly. 1 he hasnt even conquered Ukraine. 2 he crosses another border NATO would annihilate him
Please stop talking about him.
cry about it
@@migglesism grow up Miles
Vote reform lol
Better get used to it . He’s going to be your prime minister in four years.
@Ben Like you are?
People like Farage would appease Putler all the way up to our own borders, and by that point it would be way too late to do anything.
Yet we have been the aggressors hiding behind behind the illegal coup the CIA funded in 2014, go read a book
Don't be ridiculous
@@jonrotten31 Don't be naive. We've been here before, when will people learn from history instead of allowing it to repeat? Appeasing a warmonger never ends well.
@@ComradeCatpurrnicus appeasing a warmonger. Put yourself in the Russian shoes and that's what they've been doing for the last 40 years from their perspective. This simplistic view of geopolitics that NATO is perfect and Russia is absolutely evil, is deranged
@@jonrotten31well russia is evil... nato did not commit war crimes I syria and Ukraine.
Nato countries must leave Ukraine. Let Ukraine and Russia talk.
Putin doesn't want to talk,if he did he wouldn't have invaded in the first place! Would you be saying that if Putin decided to invade Britain ?!
How many peace conferences have been already? The last one was in Switzerland and guess what? Russia was not invited so how on earth you supposed to talk about peace one sided?
@@svetlanak7766
NATO doesn't want peace otherwise there's no reason for it's existence.
@@sianpearson9927of course he wants to talks. Why do you make up such stories?
Wow the leftie warmongers in LBC lol who would have thought it? No peace until we get WW3
How much money have Farage and Miraj gotten from Russian sources?
All of it...
How much was paid to Hunter Biden by the Ukrainians
Half a million in 2018 from Russia Today run by the FSB
@@alanmarr3323 is that the same channel that hired Corbyn.
I recall watching two interviews on that channel that interviewed two Nobel Prize winners in Physics. I cannot recall the last time the BBC interviewed a Nobel winner
About 500k per year from RT.
Brexit..... all of it
Ukip funding ... most of it
Also his people keep meeting with the Russian ambassador.. last time was this week
No appeasement
Appeasement worked so well for Chamberlain… Farage is a clown.
Don't poke the Bear 🐻
@@silondon9010 The bear always get eaten by the lion. NATO will wear the bear as a hat.🐻🎩😂
@@Yuri_Volkov. please don't misunderstood me I absolutely hate putin but expansion of the European Union and Nato up to his borders makes him terrified
@@silondon9010and why did it expand? Because other ex-soviet independent states wanted to join, I wonder why (hint, look at Ukraine)
@@silondon9010 Thing is, if Putin manages to take Ukraine he'll have moved the borders of Russian territory up to NATO boundaries himself, that's what makes Putin's defense of his actions so transparent.
Is Mr. Farage suggesting Ukraine surrender its sovrenty. 🇺🇦
Mr. Farage is suggesting that Ukraine don’t actually lose any more sovrentry than it already has so they might as well do a deal now save lives and get the best deal they can, remember Russia or actually the winning side they hold all the cards Zelensky is the worst leader in history. He’s killing his people. He should have settled this over two years ago when there was a peace deal on, the table. He is a mass
@Rael Nope. Next question?
No he's suggesting that they negotiate which is what real leaders do but they won't because Zelenski is owned. And blackrock has trillions riding on "rebuilding" indebting the population and pillaging their untapped resources.
@@chatham43 Yes he is . He is on Putin's payroll list
We knew he liked to praise Putin, but I never realised he would totally surrender to Putin.
He caused brexit and we know russia worked with people like him to bring about brexit to help putin.
Frogage will do anything for money, at the end of the day its what he truly cares about.
National Front fartage blowing smoke as per usual. Any friend of poo tin is no friend of mine...
Vote Reform. 🏴🇬🇧👍😏
@@Durka-Durka01 but why??
@@mocko9912 because the Libs, Cons, Labour and Greens will just keep implementing the Kalergi plan. Only Reform will stop the invasion. I hope this helps with your question. 👍😏
@@mocko9912 because all the other choices on the ballot paper are all WEF puppets, intent on speeding up the Kalergi plan.
UA-cam deleting replies again, bless! 😂
To paraphrase William Pitt: "If I were a Ukrainian, as I am an Englishman, while a Russian soldier was in my country I never would lay down my arms, never! never! never!"
NEVER RETREAT. NEVER SURRENDER.
That's cause you guys are not the ones getting blown up. It's easy to talk from the comfort of your surroundings
Hm, as a typical Englishman, I have to admit that I would have zero clue how to *take up* arms.
@@richardboland1935 Basic training will fix it for you.
Ali Farage at it again
Farage is right peace is essential.
@@muhammaduddin9268 Peace on Ukraine's terms yes
@@muhammaduddin9268 🤣🤣
He’s a 🔔 end!
If Russia leaves ukraine there will be peace!
Farage should keep his nose out! 🇺🇦
Sneaky Russian money is funding Farage the appeaser and his Reform party. Slava Ukraini. 🇺🇦
Says the bell end with the top less picture
Farage has a PEA BRAIN the more he talks the more people realise he has lard for brains
Why do people with low intellect call people rude names?
And so should have NATO.
Farage would have handed the Falklands back!
Do the Spanish want it? It never belonged to Argentina.
@johnrussell3961 it belongs to the Falkirks it part of the commonwealth not the UK no?
@@four8j . The Spanish put up a Spanish Flag, and then sailed away. The British came and replaced it with the Union Flag, and stayed.
@@johnrussell3961 arw ok
Farage is open to selling anything or anyone off for the right price.
Farage and Ali have forgotten Churchill's famous words. NEVER SURRENDER.
Never surrender, because you are not the one at the Frontline or your family members.
Is that Nigel “rooting for Putin” Farage ?!?! The plastic patriot ?? 😂
Lol!😂I did misread your description of Farage as ‘The plastic parrot’,🤣ha ha! Both descriptions suit him!
Ukraine is losing 2000 men a day. 60,000 a month.
International law my foot " where is International law in Palestine and Gaza ? Where are the original borders of Palestine???
You'd have to back 1000 years and then plot Roman borders.
Nobody wants Palestinians, Egypt closes it's border...
It doesnt suit some people to talk about that elephant in the room.
Of course money-oriented Farage would say that.
Ask farage about the £100k donation from the guy with 12k acres of farm land in Russia.
So Ukraine should surrender its sovereignty? If someone was to invade the UK would Farage say we should surrender ours too?
Farage would surrender and go belly up faster then a fair ground goldfish and maneuver himself to be proxy leader of the UK.
If it was Putin, yes.
@crushed We certainly shouldn't after finally getting it back. Excellent post!
We wouldnt beg for assistance we would fight ukraine is weak
@@Adam-ms6ih So if a country is 'weaker' it should surrender it's sovereignty? There are countries out there way more militarily powerful than ours. If say one of them was to attack us your would you rather surrender to them than call for aid? I would argue that Ukraine is brave. It's done all that it can to hold back Putin (A far more powerful foe) but can't do it on its own. That's why it getting assistance. Should Ukraine fall Putin wont stop there. Next Poland, Moldova, Latvia. He won't be content until the Berlin wall is rebuilt. Europe has to band together. Putin has to be held at bay.
We are fortunate Zelensky is fighting on our behalf and with the support we have given has held them at bay and delayed any further advances from Putin. We should step up our support and set a ring of steel round the Baltic states, Poland, Georgia, Moldova etc.
No. F that
Indeed, the UK should send the most important ressource, and that is manpower.
Correct. Ukraine knows It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees.
No thanks. Just be friends with everyone, have mutual deals with everyone so it's in their interest for you to be a functioning country and just watch everyone else fight over the scraps.
@@PLl-jr8xi Europe's been doing just that, "Wandel durch Handel" as the Germans stated. Do you think it worked?
1. Capture territory
2. immediately annex it
3. call for ceasefire
4. repeat
Why should he. No Surrender 🤘
Correct. Ukraine knows It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees.
Surrender and we will have peace at last.
Say Mr Miraj lived in Kent or Sussex and it was invaded, would he be happy to surrender those counties?
It would be the whole south east. Putin has occupied 20% of the country
Zelensky should of signed the minxt agreement, his gamble didn't pay off...he lost.😂😅
Blair & Bush flew armies half way around the world to illegally invade 2 sovereign nations.
Go on, give us all the Vlad talking points, or its the window for you! Or even have to fight in the meat grinder...
But they never attempted to take those nations as their own. That's a BIG difference. Fun fact. I dare you to visit Iraq and tell them it's a bad idea for them to have democracy and better for them if Saddam still ruled. Just buy a one way ticket because you'll never be seen again.
remind me which bits they annexed? Not quite the same, but wholly unnecessary all the same.
Fair point didn't annex land just occupied for 20 years left after 4.7million dead.
@@Yuri_Volkov.You go fight for Ukraine & I'll not go to iraq 😂 calm down lad
has Leigh turner heard about Palestine?
Spot on Farage peace deal is important for this World.
Here's a deal, Russia can have no land what so ever and we'll throw in comrade Farage, now bog off!
5th column ali?
Farage has proved he is not Tory leadership material with this ongoing Kremlinesque talk - I'd like to see Zelensky put him down, but the Nigel is not serious enough a politician to waste time on.
@phil But serious enough for you to post this comment?
Why give him the oxygen
The U.K has some slimy people
Not just the UK. It's a global thing and always has been.
@Strong So thanks for not living here and making it worse!
Yeah like starmer and sunak who are pro war
Because appeasement has always worked out in the past!
So let me get this straight? If Israel annexes the Golen heights and the international community doesn't blink an eye, that's fine? However, if Russia doesn't want NATO and it's s nuclear missiles on its border in the form of Ukrainian NATO membership and invades that land, that's worth risking total nuclear annihilation because only certain countries can annex land in the international community?
Other than Europe and North America, the rest of the world sees the hypocrisy of NATO and its deference towards the extreme right-wing government of Israel. This is how world wars happen......
Ceding territory the Russians aren't capable of taking and holding on their own is *not* a basis for negotiation. It is weird that some leaders in Britain want Ukraine to settle for yet another Russian promise when this whole war is based on a broken Russian promise.
So if France invaded the isle of wight and southern England Farage would say just take it as long as you don't go any further??
No, don't be silly. Hope that answers your question.
They want forever wars....Julian Assange
I urge farage to seek peace in Scotland 😂😂😂
Every time you post a video of Ali's show, I like him less.
@bistro And that's why you continue to watch them?
Yeah, have you never heard of morbid curiosity?
This man is talking from his backside? Wonder why Putin wouldn't come to the negotiating table? Sod!
Ali Mirage. He's hallucinating.
It's not necessary for there to be a negotiation. Germany and Japan didn't get one in 1945.
It seems like youre suggesting we need a 3rd world war or nothing
Israel were allowed to do it.
Is Israel on the border of Europe?
Classic Whataboutism. Stay on topic..
My completely unsubstantiated theory is that Putin encouraged Iran to fund Hamas to commit the atrocities of 7/10, knowing it would light the tinderbox, to take focus and resource away from Ukraine. In the same way all he wants is to create disorder and division in the West
@@Yuri_Volkov. The geography is different, but the principle is the same.
Leigh Turner talks a lot of sense. Farage does not.
To those who say that the cost is too great for Ukraine, I say this: Some things are worth fighting for, dying for even. I'm very very lucky because I sit here comfortably in a peaceful country, I won't have to do any of the killing or the fighting or the dying, I won't have to wave goodbye to my sons as they're taken to the front lines to become a feast for crows, but I firmly believe that democracy and human dignity, things that are almost completely gone in Russia, are ideals worth suffering for.
World War 2. We can't win this war, we should seek a settlement?
Hmmmmmm.
That was Lord Halifax's position.
*NATO has not expanded east (apart from Finland recently joining as a result of Ukraine invasion) since 2004. And by the way, Putin was just fine with it back then*
Turner you missed out the part of the Eastern block joining Nato post 1992, these were specific conditions of the two treaties.
There are no treaties that prohibit this. A verbal promise was made by a long dead Western diplomat to the USSR, which does not exist anymore.
Can Garage give a guarantee that Russia will not invade Ukraine again after seizing those territories?
Arguments on false assumptions and slogans - that is not a debate, that's a political proclamation.
This guy is going to give lessons in diplomacy? Gimme a break, please...
Why is that in our Civil Service? A former ambassador to Russia or some other CIS country - you can expect them to actually make sense.
A former ambassador to Ukraine - and they sound like Stalin's propaganda ministers!
All these clowns here talking about appeasement. Approximately 500'000 Ukrainians dead and injured. Taking Crimea back would take 2 million more. These are sons and fathers not chess pieces.
Appeasment lol lets go back to 1930s for a lesson on foreign policy & ignore all chaos west has caused since
Farage are paid in rubels
100 percent
Love the people talking about morality whilst wanting a war to endure which is killing hundreds of thousands
Who is this guy, talking lots of b.s.
Disillusional.
BS you've been letting Israel do this.
Who is talking about victory when so many people have been killed?
Nigel Farage is absolutely wrong about this issue. Before the Russian invasion, on numerous occasions, he said that he was huge admirer of Putin. He was actually a guest on RT /Russian Times TV for several years. Not to mention, his party UKIP prior to Brexit, was funded with Russian money.
Couple of things:
1. Ukraine is a sovereign and independent country since 1991 recognised in full borders by Russia (with Crimea).
2. There was no talk about NATO expansion eastwards (verbal or written promises). This was confirmed by Mikhail Gorbachev in a video interview from 2014. It"s a myth created by Russian propaganda in the time of annexation of Crime to justify these actions ....
3. if Ukraine joined EU/NATO earlier, in the period of 20o4-2006. No one would even mention this as factor in anything. It wouldn"t be an issue at all. Instead, it was weaponised by the Russian propaganda to justify the invasion.
4.. Putin shares the same opinion about Poland. I quote: "It was a gift from Stalin" ( in his mind it "never existed)
Ukranians do not want to fight. Have you seen what had been happening there? Military police grab men from streets, public transport etc. They cannot leave the country and if you are not registered at an enlistment office, you cannot have your passport renewed or a driving licence, your property can be confiscated. It is easy to say let UKr fight for us sitting on your sofa.
Modern wars tend to end when one side is exhausted. Ukraine has friends with huge resources. It is just a question of will.
Farage is 100% correct we shouldnt send ukraine a penny
The UK agreed to defend Ukraine specifically from Russia in exchange for Ukraine decommissioning its nuclear arsenal. The UK made a promise and should uphold it, anything else and the UK's international commitments and agreements all become meaningless.
@@kevinsmarts9953 are we supposed to give them trillons of pounds we have give them enough either they decide to do a proper negotiaton or fight this war alone
@@Adam-ms6ih Its 12.5billion and only 7.5 of that is military aid, the rest is to help those displaced by the invasion. Not all of that has been delivered at this time but it is the total amount pledged to assist and will continue to last for a few more months. Its turned out to be pretty cheap for a war and this is why the West has not gone full war economy like Russia has had to.
Apoeaesnent us futile just like Reform. Siding with Putin and hoping because you did he'll not invade you is pathetic again just like the wide mouthed frog.
Tell me when in the past Rus started a WW? On both occasions it was Germany. Why on earth Russia would invade GB?
1941/2014/2022 Not ww but invasions. If it smells like a war mongering dictator and if it acts like a war mongering dictator then it is a war mongering dictator @putin.
Putin will never end this and will be back for more
He seems to see events in isolation. Putin did not invade without provocation. I am surprised he was N a bassador.
NO, Putin was not provoked. He stated years ago how he wanted to reclaim the lands that had made up the USSR. Any excuse he has put forward is just that.
Who does Farage think he is?
The real prime minister of Britain.
No.
You are welcome.
This is how much i know, i always knew Russia as USSR ?.
Maybe Britain should’ve just gave up the Falklands and saved a lot of lives
There needs to be a revisit of the proposed peace agreement called off by Johnson back at the beginning of the war. Putin needs a way out, so something to see as a win. No NATO or EU membership for Ukraine would give him that. In turn Europe, US and Russia could come together to support the reconstruction of the country
The thing that this guy didn’t say is that Russia is not just a pokey little country but the biggest and the largest supply of nuclear weapons and also teaming up with China, North Korea and goodness knows what other countries to which we could not possibly win and in the meantime a wipeout of humanity.
Farage has to show he's being submissive to his Russian boss.
No country has been allowed to take over another country since 1945? What are you smoking? Ever heard of Tibet? West Papua? This guy lays out his case like a historian but clearly hasn't been paying attention...The world does allow it or ignores it when it suits the big powers to do so...Be wary and skeptical of the motivations of governments on all sides.
What was catastrophic for Russua except of tge west ruining their image to more people? They are now 4th economy in the world, their relations with Chibe and all other Brics states is better as well
Even the Old people cant even speak simple truths.. shame
Vote farage get putin
Well said
So being anti war means you support putin. Hahaha when did the left wing become so pro war
Can anyone then explain why England captured Northern Ireland?
People seem to think Russia invaded Ukraine for no reason....the ignorance from people in this comment section is ridiculous, remain impartial do your research for gods sake
Have been brain washed!
A peace deal that surrenders ANY land, would be a surrender of Ukrainian sovereignty. Submitting to a warmonger simply emboldens them.
Let the 1930's be the example, and standard, of the requirment of territorial defense
If churchill had ot been so keen on war it would have been better for everyone.
Like most things Farage says it's devoid of any actual detail or long term view. Unless there's no end to this conflict and it becmes the never ending war of 1984, then any cessation allows him to say "I Told You So" . The LBC host has basically ignored the far more detailed & informative view of the former Ambassador with nothing more than the "Oh well, I reckon this, so there" lack of thinking typical in such complex & delicate matters.
The problem of some western politicians is that if someone tell the truth the weeked politicians will against that person faragel is right
We all know Putin has that nuclear button. Keep out of it and stop interfering and making worse
Isarel has been annexing lands for decades, why not Russia then?
Absolutely, Zelensky must seek peace if Russia I willing to discuss war’stop’ Henry Kissinger did mention peace in the very beginning of the war.
Without pressure from the west, Ukraine would take the terms any day.
No, that would mean Putin would get what he wanted. Putin invaded,he is at fault.
February 2014 - US Diplomat Victoria Nuland in Ukraine stated "F*ck the EU" , allegedly.
Let the people who live in the areas involved to vote under UN supervision. I.e. Do they want to be under Russian control or Ukraine control. Both Russia and Ukraine to accept the vote
Whoever wins the vote agrees not to lodge any weapons in the territories involved.
This is the first time I’ve disagreed with Nigel , never surrender 🇺🇦
Sorry, Russia won the war with NATO before it started.
Piers Morgan Jeffrey Sachs : This is gonna get us all blown up
it's time to stop appeasing Nato
Eerm this guy😂 what does success look like?? Russia leaves! Somebody lend this guy some ⚽ ⚽
And Ukraine agreed to stay out of Nato
This presenter is just a contrarian just for the sake of it
I don’t like farage but this is the most important thing that he’s speaking about right now.
Putin didn't need a excuse to go into ukraine, if i take nigels logic on board WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED TO CRIMEA IN 2014 WHEN RUSSIA TOLD THE LAND BACK ???
"Leave my mate alone" says Faragesky.
Ukraine democracy? Please give us a break.
Nigel Haw-Haw??