MIKE MENTZER: TRAINING BOYER COE AT NAUTILUS 1983 FULL WORKOUT!
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This ultra rare video, shot on May 31, 1983 in DeLand, Florida, captures a moment in history. Mike Mentzer had been brought to Florida at Arthur Jones’ request to learn about Arthur’s burgeoning video production business. Boyer Coe had originally been brought to Florida to help Arthur publish a fitness magazine, but soon Arthur had other plans. He decided that Boyer should take part in a training experiment in which Arthur Jones’ training method (training the whole body, one set per exercise, three workouts a week on Nautilus machines) would be employed. Unlike the Colorado Experiment, Arthur wanted Boyer to on a very low (1,500 a day) allotment of calories to see if liberated energy from body fat could be used for building muscle. Boyer was off steroids (and had been for some time), but as the video will reveal, he was growing stronger in his workouts. This video captured what exercises, weights, sets and reps he was performing during his 52nd workout of the experiment. Boyer had an “A” workout and a “B” workout that were alternated - this was his “B” workout. Originally, Arthur Jones supervised Boyer’s workout sessions, but as his business responsibilities increased, he asked Mike and sometimes Ray Mentzer to take over for him. This workout contains a lot of the humorous banter between Mike and Boyer, which alone makes it rather special and fun to watch. It must be remembered, however, that the workouts Boyer was utilizing were designed by Arthur Jones - not Mike Mentzer. Mike was simply making sure that Boyer followed the protocol that Arthur had laid out for him. It should also be remembered that this was recorded 10 years prior to Mike formulating his principles for Heavy Duty training (his revised version) and 13 years before the publication of Heavy Duty II: Mind and Body, in which he refined the principles even further. That bit of context out of the way, I hope you enjoy this historic video.
Mike was a bodybuilding genius💯
Boyer was very strong even without steroids. I’ve never seen anyone do one chin with weight like that let alone a whole set 💪🏻
For that exercise you are right. For the other ones not so much.
I was actually searching online today for these workouts where Ray and Mike participated in, and hours later... BOOM you droped this GEM. Thank you so much for sharing this!
It would be awesome to watch Ray's full video too!!
Thanks, I'll see what I can do over the next few months.
When men were men! All mass & class! 👨🏻🏫💪
Mr. Little I believe you have another t-shirt idea there! 😉
Mike was so well articulate, unbelievably supportive and his aura shines even beyond the screen. What a privilege it must have been to be able to train with him. RIP Legend!
I wish Mike worked out with him on these
Now THAT would be dope!
4:45 Now that's an interesting leg curl variant!
yeah
asymmetrici mo glad it was discontinued. laying on one leg cannot be even weight resistance distribution
I think , it was made for pregnant ladies .
Never seen it before 😮
@@istvannagy915 exactly
My favorite part is guessing which machine is which . So cool to see how these machines looked back then and also how incredibly smoothed they performed.
Less sets = more progress
Been doing this succesfully since 1983 when tgis was created.
Did marathon weight training starting in 1979 stalled out, then decreased volume and kept progressing. Thanks Mike
Thanks Mike
Brilliant this one John nice to see a full workout at Nautilus headquarters I visited last time I was in Florida 2 years ago it’s a school now
I've been doing this for almost two months exactly as Mike says to do I am looking better feeling better and stronger.im excited to see my results next summer
🔥🎸🔥
Is it all machines
🙌🏻 Lets go! On my journey as well.
Third month in, stronger very much more stronger.like 30%
How often do you train in a week@@CrazzcussToms-vc4sp
That Nautilus Weighed Dip, Pull Up, and Calve machine is something I wish was at every gym. Totally awesome!
I've never seen these machines at any modern gym.
Why do these machines in this video seem to be so much higher in quality than even the most modern equipment we have now? Have companies now turned into cheap garbage 🗑?
Probably the ones in your gym do, because all the machines i'm seeing in the gyms in my city and on all social medias look like they come from the future
Because they were. Machines are more high tech today but made with thinner steel, thinner cables, chains etc. Maybe you dont need the thicker steel and cables, but inreally doubt it. I used these machines in 1988 when i wws 14 and again in the 1990s when i went to a local gym that had all old school machines. They were very heavy duty and smoother than most of the machines you see today.
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Mike looks bigger than Boyer by far. I wish Mike would have had a long life of optimum fitness and as a teacher and training coach. His death was a loss to bodybuilding.
This dude racked almost every machine
Good to see Mike at his best here.
"the only way to get a full muscular contraction is in the fully contracted position' - Mentzer
Crazy how different these Golden Era guys looked off cycle.
IKR they look so small when they're off. They're still very shapely, but they're so small!
I started training in 1984, I can remember using some of these machines.
Some were good, others 'ok', and others a waste of time.
Over the years, the one's that weren't so good, became obsolete, while the better one's were updated to isolate specific muscles better.
It should be noted that, using a combination of machines and free weights is best for optimal results.
We shouldn't become too reliant on one over the other.
The studio where they filmed this is like 15 minutes up the road from me. I think its now used as like a day school or something for kids. At one time they had more space and camera producing equipment was better than the network studios. Arthur Jones was somethin else. They should make a movie about him.
I love the fact that Mike's asking how many reps he's done after the set😂
First time i did HIT training i slept half the day i was so tanked out
Is this channel run by John Little? Thank you for the amazing work. Mike Mentzer's philosophy is taking over
Thanks 🙏
Great to see that full workout! It's historical
I would love to wear jeans, trousers shirts like Golden Era 's BB ❤❤❤ Golden days of Bodybuilding 🎉🎉🎉
Boyer definitely off cycle, still looking good though.
If I would have a personal trainer, this would’ve be the style i would choose. I don’t know why but those training partners / trainers who stand beside the athletes and just scream at them aren’t for me. I know many like this style but I absolutely love this no to little talking during the sets.
Where can I get these machines and why doesn't anybody have them anymore?
Tremendous video; whole new respect for these old machines.
Nothing but quality reps.
Love the banter between Mike and Boyer.
Wish my gym had these old school Nautilus
I'd get a hell of a workout
Notice the full range that bench press machine allows versus your conventional barbell.
is there a website or link where i can watch or buy those rare videos from when mike was training boyer ? like, all the nautilus videos where he's training boyer ? I cant find them anywhere...
Thank you very much, I enjoyed watching it. I hope you will continue to post some rare videos of Mike Mentzer's training and seminars.
Looks like Boyer cut up some tracksuit bottoms into shorts if you look closely lol
that's what i also do. recycle like a mofo
Is Boyer wearing New Balance shoes? I didn't realize they were around back then.
lol yeah! I just realized I just bought the same pair recently
I remember all those old training shoes. The first pair of "high tech" athletic shoes I bought were Adidas Dragons in 1976. Simple but effective and way better than Keds or Converse Chuck Taylor All Stars. Did a lot of running in them.
those calf raises look uncomfortable lol
I was waiting for him to rip ass on that side curl. Good work out
These machines are awesome, real thought put into every body part. Thanks for this video. Been reading a lot of about Mike lately, a lost bodybuilding great. 💪
Odd that he does nothing like Mike's recommendation of 4 seconds up and 4 seconds down, or keeping constant tension. Also, Boyer looks real small to me. Maybe it's just the modern mass monsters that make him look that way.
As indicated in the video description, this was filmed some 10 years before Mike wrote Heavy Duty 1 and 13 years prior to when he wrote Heavy Duty II, so Mike’s recommendations in this regard hadn’t been formulated yet. Also, Boyer was using Arthur Jones’s workouts/protocols - not Mike’s. Moreover, Boyer had been off steroids for about a year when this was filmed and Arthur had restricted his calories to only 1,500 a day.
Why do these machines in this video seem to be so much higher in quality than even the most modern equipment we have now? Have companies now turned into cheap garbage 🗑?
@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE what did they conclude about the liberated energy / low calories (~1500) effects with regards to muscle building?
Merton comments boyer looks small. Have you seen what a pathetic natural looks like? Boyer looks huge in comparison 👏
@@dm8127 Arthur lost interest in the experiment after six months and it was discontinued. No conclusion. Mike said Boyer’s muscularity (and strength) improved but Boyer’s system took a while to kick back into gear after going off steroids (he’d been using for decades previous to this). It wasn’t a good experiment for this and other reasons.
Mike is hilarious ....the slick comments
Sideways ham curl is goofy af. lol
The equipment looks like torture
mike was so handsome
Qué máquinas tan extrañas😅
I love Mike. When he retied and quit using drugs. He was a personal trainer who made routines for those who did not take enhancers and he wrote routines for people with a normal recovery. Un like arny. Who still supports a drug based routine
I don't like Boyer's divergent foot placement on the calf raise machine. I would've tagged him.
It’s fine; what’s wrong with it?
Boyer Coe had his most successful year in 1981, when he won several contests. I have to say, here he looks very unimpressive, despite his great genetics.
Boyer had been off steroids for a year (at least) and on a 1,500 calories a day diet for four or five months when this video was filmed (more info in the video description), so there were a few reasons why he looked smaller here than when competing.
RIP
Love the Belt to keep your hips down and back in the Seat !!
I thought they were going to do a belt squat at first and was ready to be amazed
nautilos machin is prefect
Nautilus machines put everything else to shame.
I actually don't go to gyms anymore because the machines aren't worth the money gyms slug to join. Home w/o's are great, and effective for me.
Some of these machines are very interesting like nothing I've ever seen before
Now I know it’s not me.. when I’m out of breath working out like that.
Wow, that equipment was pretty nice
Love this stuff. Have been doing his High Intensity one rep ideal routine for only a month and seeing amazing results already. Just like he says in his video!
This one is dated 1983. When was rhe “ Ideal Routine workout video shot?
The one where Mike is training Markus Reinhardt? In June of 2001.
That shit is so heavy they need seat belts.😮
I bought a seatbelt on Amazon and use it on the leg extension machine at my gym. It helps stabilize when the weight gets heavy so you’re focused on your quads doing everything
Thank you so much for sharing these great videos of legends like these two.
where can i pick up a copy of mike’s books?
Did i miss the warmup sets?
Just crazy to see all these exercises
Nautilus training does not include warm-up sets.
No way, how can you go hard without warm ups@@WithBACON
Tired AF after watching !!
That hamstring curl machine- haha .
That ham curl machine was wack af!
He's trying his best
John, this was actually another heated discussion in the bodybuilding community. From this video, I was going to say that Mike hadn't adopted a specific cadence when it came to reps but was it in fact that when Boyer was telling Mike not to chirp on his form he actually meant the cadence as well?
Also, having been part of it all, was what Boyer saying about how Arthur was very set in his ways when it came to Boyer training and that Arthur had no class? Or was Boyer just someone who wanted it his way or no way and just didn't take kindly to certain instructions?
Mike and Boyer were joking because when Boyer worked out under Arthur’s supervision, Arthur would always say “I’m going to tag you on the form,” which meant that Arthur counted the reps that Boyer performed , but that they were not performed in perfect form. If you read the description of the video, the background is explained. Mike was there to supervise. Boyer performing the workouts exactly as Arthur - not Mike - wished.
@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE I apologize for not looking for the description. That description was very helpful in providing context behind the video.
And now that I think about it, the disagreement between Boyer and Arthur could've been as simple as creative differences but these disagreements often turn ugly between people in the company just as they do in any other company. Thank you for posting the description and the video.
A couple for the Gipper
Did these workouts include any sort of warm-up? If so, do you know what those looked like?
No, they did not. The repetitions were typically in the 8 to 12 range, and Arthur Jones’ belief was that only the last rep of that set required an all out effort. Consequently, the reps leading up to this were sort of a built in warm-up to the exercise. And this applied to each exercise that was performed.
Old school Nautilus machines were so well made. These here are better than most I see in the gym today.
Absolutely.
If a guy ever says don’t stand behind me take that as a compliment , he’s basically saying hey I’m not saying you’re bad but you have the potential to absolutely end me
I've just started going to the gym, joining my friend who has been going for a while. Im trying to take Mike's approach to HiT, but I find it difficult. Is the "going to failure" something you get better at as you get stronger and spend more time in the gym? I think I go to failure, but I also feel like I stop when I think I have "done enough."
Going to failure means literally that. Going until you literally have to drop the weight because of the sheer stresses of the weights. I find cable machines so much better than free weights for getting to failure point. Not as dangerous when you have to let go of the bars
@xXJoExWRiGHTXx Yes, I use cable machines and some lever machines with my friend assisting in the last reps as well. Thank you for the tips. So I should go till I can't get the weight up at all or until my form becomes detrimental or not good?
@seuvagem1950 are you seeing very good gains from leaving a couple of reps left inside you? I thought that went against what Mike was teaching here?
Going to failure is neural, and you will become better at it with time. As you continue training, over time you will improve your pain tolerance and your mental focus when contracting a muscle. This will lead you to become better at reaching total muscular failure.
IV tried a version of Mike's way now for the last 8 weeks. I only go to gym every 7 days. My body hurts, for a good 4 days after. I'm going to split my time soon to every 4 days and not a, all body work out. Mix the muscle groups up. Iv been trying to do 3 sets of 10. If I fail on the 3rd before 10, it's good. If I get close to doing all 3 sets I up the weight next time. For time spent in the gym. You can not bet the gains iv had in a short amount of time. Compared to the every second day I use to do. I Feel dumb now. All that time wasted
Be Like Mike!
Just noticed that the Nautilus symbol is a face hugger from the Alien movie. 👍
Парень халтурит. Он должен блевать после тренировки, иначе до отказа не дошёл! Вдохновился я этим супертренингом по молодости. Хватило на полгода. 15 кг набрал. И гипертонию))))))
Thats a fullbody train?
Are there any videos of Mike or his brother training at this time?
None that I'm aware of.
Ok thank you
Arthur Jones taking somebody out at around 8:26 mark 😂
He trained virtually the entire body in one training session
So he doesn't do a workout until 5 days from then?
Boyer (the guy doing the workout in the video) was training three days a week (Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays). This was a different workout program, with a different frequency than what Mike would create 10 years later when he was a personal trainer.
@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE ok. I'm still trying wrap my head around the single failure set.
There's a video where he asks if "the world knowable...or... and unknowable"
Can i please have the link to that i can't find it anymore 😢
No problem. Here you go: ua-cam.com/video/zqdFvBwixws/v-deo.htmlsi=L-TeQQzXd82Qp2ae
1 set? 1 min rest? is that correct?
Yep. That is what mike did
@@JsoProductionChannel thank you I try this! 💪
John, good afternoon, how are you? Is it normal to be hungrier when training? Thank you, John! Please continue uploading this content about Mike, it is an immense job and a huge show of friendship towards him!
It’s not normal to be hungry while you are training, but it is perfectly normal to be hungry afterwards. That is a signal that you output a lot of energy that your body now wants back. So, yes, after your workout, you will probably be hungry.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE Ah that! Thanks!, sorry for my bad English haha. So it is normal that on training days there is more hunger and therefore more calories are consumed, right?
@@lucasbani7107 No problem, Lucas. Yes, it is normal on training days (after the workout) to be hungrier.
Is this the consolidation program I am reading about in his book?
No, it has far too many sets for the consolidation program. Also, the consolidation program was not invented until 1995 or 1996, some 12 to 13 years after this video was filmed.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE very good, thank you for your knowledge and keeping Mike and his legacy alive!
Extremely useful video, always wanted to see it!
I will train whole body once every 8 days now 💪🏻🦵🏻👍🏻
Crazy how small Boyer looks here compared to how he looks on stage. If I saw him in the gym like this I would probably mistake him for a natural average Joe lifter.
Boyer had been off steroids for a year (at least) and on a 1,500 calories a day diet for four or five months when this video was filmed (more info in the video description), so there were a few reasons why he looked smaller here than when competing.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE Ah that makes sense. If the Colorado experiment is any indication then it makes sense that elite-tier bodybuilders can fluctuate in size quite dramatically.
Very great video John i appreciate everthing you did because of you today Mike Mentzer got more popular becuase your work keep it.👍🦾
I appreciate that. Thanks for your post.