One thing I've learned from playing mostly dive heroes is that you have to be decisive. It's not like poke or even brawl comps where you'd eventually do something. You either try and do something or you're just gonna get rolled. Imo learning dive heroes is the best way to learn the fundamentals considering how much you have to do and know to be effective.
It's a lot like drawing honestly. When practicing you want to draw in a way that forces you to make decisions which will forces out mistakes from which you can learn. Its also how you play tetris. So going in as Tracer and exploding in 0.1 seconds is going to teach you more than being a bastion behind a rein shield
hello zen player! I want to give a few tips as someone who typically is not the one playing Zen on the team and is typically the one doing the majority of the healing. 1. harmony orb gets more value on squishy targets. zen's healing isnt going to do much for the tank typically, so a big way you can help your fellow support is reducing their healing burden by healing the squishies so they can focus their resources on the tank. zen is primarily a "harmacist," in that you provide pressure and reduce the amount of healing you need by doing damage and contributing to elims, but your healing is still very impactful when used strategically. you can and should absolutely orb your tank sometimes! sometimes the tank will need every bit of healing possible lol but orbing the dps will help your other support SO much. 2. emongg pointed this out, but overwatch 2 really is so much different than overwatch 1. you can be more flexible with zen ult. you can use it to stall point while your team gets back. you can use it just to save yourself. hell, you could use it just to protect a Mercy while they res in overtime. you don't need to hold onto it because you're going to build it so fast. you do a really good job of contributing! you're actively orbing your teammates, you're hitting shots - building ult is not an issue for you! think about all the ults you could have if you just used your ult in the next fight after you get it. its better to have four okay to bad ults than to only ult once during a round. and you're never going to learn the best ways to use zen ult in overwatch 2 unless you also find all of the bad ways to use it, and that can only be done with trial and error. 3. tanking is different in overwatch 2. you want your tank to be aggressive. you want your tank to bully the other team. sometimes, depending on the tank, you don't want your tank to spend a ton of time near you! overwatch 1 was a lot of playing literally grouped up as a core unit. but that's not the case anymore. a lot of the tanks play very independently, and good tanks will save cooldowns to get out of sticky situations. your winton was a good example of this. a lot of the time they went IN but survived long enough to have their jump again to get out. that's good!! that's a sign of a tank who's working on improving. an important part of playing support is learning to follow up on your teammates' plays, even when they're not ideal. a support's commitment to a play is often what makes a play successful. this doesn't mean send it into the backline with your reinhardt who charges on cooldown and doesn't ever use their shield to get back to cover so they can be healed up. but this does mean be willing to be aggressive. what that aggression looks like will vary from support to support. Mercy will support aggressive plays differently than Zen, and Zen will support aggressive plays differently than Illari, etc. but be willing to back your teammates up on risky plays. that will help you learn how to do that safely and it will help you learn how to identify risky plays which are good opportunities to invest resources and which risky plays are ones that aren't worth your ult. good luck on your climb! you have a lot of good fundamentals. now you just need to work on taking action. making a bad decision is infinitely better than making no decision at all!
I Love beeing part of emonggs Community ❤ u said It so Well without beeing mean, actually great advice i know myself but Reading/Hearing It Is helping To Not forget it or start tilting To stay on the right path, thank you very much
@@Sickkarma you're very sweet 💖 I'm just trying to offer everyone the bare minimum of dignity and kindness, and unfortunately not everyone in emongg's community does this. I'm not perfect, of course, but I just want to provide good advice to people looking to improve and show others that you can be helpful and provide helpful feedback without being a jerk about it. too many people think that helping someone learn involves flaming them, but scientific studies about healthy education don't support that. and sometimes being reminded of stuff we already know is the most helpful! the basics are so important.
@@Antinomer I think the secret is really just two things: (1) phrasing everything as opportunities to improve, not pointing out moments where someone has made unforgivable errors, and (2) not making it personal, i.e., if someone makes a mistake, they're not a bad person or bad player, they just made a mistake. also, bonus (3) understanding that mistakes aren't the end of the world. so it's not a big deal or worth getting mad or truly frustrated because they're just mistakes. once you have those three things, anyone can be a healthy source of constructive feedback! most people in gaming spaces just aren't interested in providing healthy feedback, which is a shame but it's not impossible to do. emongg is lovely and an absolute delight but only because he makes a conscious effort to be that way, and we can all be the same way if we choose to make that same conscious effort :D
Ive learned from playing nothing but zenyatta for comp that most people underestimate him. They assume you will be all the way in the back but zen is one support who can get aggressive. Ive outplayed an orisa solo by using a pillar to keep her away and kicking her in the ass. Discord orb of course. Ive even had success in using zenyatta as a flanker
So I agree with Emongg a lot on the being decisive with this being added. You do need to go into it with the intent to learn. If you decisively go in 1v5 everytime sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Why you may ask. Well what is your team on? What was the enemy team on? What cool downs have been used? These are all variables that you need to be aware of, and try to further improve. I am a gold 2 support player, and these are the questions I run through quickly in my head every time I make a play. Team wipe or get rolled. Obviously I have more to learn as I am gold 2, and will continue to watch Emongg's spectating series to continue to learn more about the game. One last thing before I go is Emongg also doesn't know every characters kit inside and out so feel free to experiment with those ability and Ult usage just keep learning and improving together.
The only solution to be more decisive is trying. Yeah you could watch countless videos about game sense, but most people learn by doing, so just do it.
Yeah honestly decisiveness is really important. Haven't finished the video yet so idk if he says this but even if you make the wrong decision, it's still better than no decision because now you know what you did doesn't work in that situation
WAIT DO THEY ONLY HAVE ALLY DEATH SOUNDS ON?! I was totally with him until you mentioned the three picks, which I didn't hear. Went back and yup, that changes absolutely everything.
Good aim and alert, future diamond after watching some clips and more game hours I think. Game sence not bad and ult and cool down timing comes with time. Be a good one to revisit
This is probably one of most infuriating replays I’ve watched on this channel. Zen/Bapt player doesn’t even look like he played OW1. Indecisive people telling others they are being too aggressive just because they think at 2 words per 10 mins drives me insane.
it's silver, I don't know why you're mad about it. people in silver do silver things. that's why they're in silver. also, it's wild to me that you came to such an aggressive conclusion about this random person based on what they actually wrote in their discord post. there was no telling. you have no factual basis to think they told anyone on their team anything. clearly someone - or more likely, given it's overwatch, more than one someone - has criticized you for being too aggressive and you think they were too passive and you need to work on getting over that because it's spilling over into how you think about others who didn't flame you or criticize you
@@sethescope LMAO! You can’t accuse me of making things up. Even though the person who submitted the replay code, said those things I mentioned. Then turn around and accuse me of things you yourself have no idea or basis for. Hypocrisy at its finest. Perhaps I could have worded it better. Annoyed, a better word to use? Come on. You’re telling me there isn’t something in this world that just gets on your nerves? Doesn’t have to make rational sense. It’s just something that gets you. People acting like I somehow attacked the person who submitted the replay code. I commented my feelings of what I watched. Simple as that.
and no, actually. I wasn't annoyed or at all frustrated by their gameplay. because they're in silver. they're re-learning a game that has changed DRASTICALLY since the last time they played seriously. why would I be frustrated when they make the type of mistakes that are to be expected from someone in their rank *and* are the exact kinds of mistakes I would expect from someone who played overwatch 1? this isn't to say I don't get frustrated sometimes with teammates or that I never get frustrated in life. but the key to handling and preventing frustration is appropriate expectations. it's unfair to be frustrated by a silver player who is playing like they're in silver, just like it's unfair to go into a super busy restaurant and then get mad because you're not getting seated and served immediately. but honestly, at the end of the day, you're the one who chose to post a very unfairly negative comment in a public forum. appropriate expectations, remember - don't be surprised when people push back and disagree with you. you're allowed to have your perspective, and I'm allowed to have mine. you shared yours, I'm just sharing mine.
@@DrKoala- UA-cam decided to eat my main reply to you, so here it is again - reading comprehension skills are not the same thing as hypocrisy. reread the discord snip without imputing hostile intent on the submitter. you're assuming a lot about them without any textual basis, which says a lot about you, who you are as a person, and your experiences.
Incredible that people who play like this actually think they aren’t the problem. Like they are throwing by just playing thats how bad they are. Deserves a way lower rank. Also “havent played comp” isn’t an excuse u don’t magically get braincell from comp to qp, if you are trash in qp u probably are trash in comp too.
One thing I've learned from playing mostly dive heroes is that you have to be decisive. It's not like poke or even brawl comps where you'd eventually do something. You either try and do something or you're just gonna get rolled. Imo learning dive heroes is the best way to learn the fundamentals considering how much you have to do and know to be effective.
It's a lot like drawing honestly. When practicing you want to draw in a way that forces you to make decisions which will forces out mistakes from which you can learn. Its also how you play tetris. So going in as Tracer and exploding in 0.1 seconds is going to teach you more than being a bastion behind a rein shield
hello zen player! I want to give a few tips as someone who typically is not the one playing Zen on the team and is typically the one doing the majority of the healing.
1. harmony orb gets more value on squishy targets. zen's healing isnt going to do much for the tank typically, so a big way you can help your fellow support is reducing their healing burden by healing the squishies so they can focus their resources on the tank. zen is primarily a "harmacist," in that you provide pressure and reduce the amount of healing you need by doing damage and contributing to elims, but your healing is still very impactful when used strategically. you can and should absolutely orb your tank sometimes! sometimes the tank will need every bit of healing possible lol but orbing the dps will help your other support SO much.
2. emongg pointed this out, but overwatch 2 really is so much different than overwatch 1. you can be more flexible with zen ult. you can use it to stall point while your team gets back. you can use it just to save yourself. hell, you could use it just to protect a Mercy while they res in overtime. you don't need to hold onto it because you're going to build it so fast. you do a really good job of contributing! you're actively orbing your teammates, you're hitting shots - building ult is not an issue for you! think about all the ults you could have if you just used your ult in the next fight after you get it.
its better to have four okay to bad ults than to only ult once during a round. and you're never going to learn the best ways to use zen ult in overwatch 2 unless you also find all of the bad ways to use it, and that can only be done with trial and error.
3. tanking is different in overwatch 2. you want your tank to be aggressive. you want your tank to bully the other team. sometimes, depending on the tank, you don't want your tank to spend a ton of time near you! overwatch 1 was a lot of playing literally grouped up as a core unit. but that's not the case anymore. a lot of the tanks play very independently, and good tanks will save cooldowns to get out of sticky situations. your winton was a good example of this. a lot of the time they went IN but survived long enough to have their jump again to get out. that's good!! that's a sign of a tank who's working on improving. an important part of playing support is learning to follow up on your teammates' plays, even when they're not ideal. a support's commitment to a play is often what makes a play successful. this doesn't mean send it into the backline with your reinhardt who charges on cooldown and doesn't ever use their shield to get back to cover so they can be healed up. but this does mean be willing to be aggressive. what that aggression looks like will vary from support to support. Mercy will support aggressive plays differently than Zen, and Zen will support aggressive plays differently than Illari, etc. but be willing to back your teammates up on risky plays. that will help you learn how to do that safely and it will help you learn how to identify risky plays which are good opportunities to invest resources and which risky plays are ones that aren't worth your ult.
good luck on your climb! you have a lot of good fundamentals. now you just need to work on taking action. making a bad decision is infinitely better than making no decision at all!
THIS is very good advice
I Love beeing part of emonggs Community ❤ u said It so Well without beeing mean, actually great advice i know myself but Reading/Hearing It Is helping To Not forget it or start tilting To stay on the right path, thank you very much
@@Sickkarma you're very sweet 💖 I'm just trying to offer everyone the bare minimum of dignity and kindness, and unfortunately not everyone in emongg's community does this. I'm not perfect, of course, but I just want to provide good advice to people looking to improve and show others that you can be helpful and provide helpful feedback without being a jerk about it. too many people think that helping someone learn involves flaming them, but scientific studies about healthy education don't support that.
and sometimes being reminded of stuff we already know is the most helpful! the basics are so important.
emongg emotional intelligence diff, sometimes his chat says weird shit lmfao
It's a luxury to receive criticism from someone who can do it so lightly and gently. I don't cease to admire how he does it. What a sport.
they can be mean asf
@@Antinomer I think the secret is really just two things: (1) phrasing everything as opportunities to improve, not pointing out moments where someone has made unforgivable errors, and (2) not making it personal, i.e., if someone makes a mistake, they're not a bad person or bad player, they just made a mistake.
also, bonus (3) understanding that mistakes aren't the end of the world. so it's not a big deal or worth getting mad or truly frustrated because they're just mistakes.
once you have those three things, anyone can be a healthy source of constructive feedback! most people in gaming spaces just aren't interested in providing healthy feedback, which is a shame but it's not impossible to do.
emongg is lovely and an absolute delight but only because he makes a conscious effort to be that way, and we can all be the same way if we choose to make that same conscious effort :D
The chat is real cringe but I like Emongg
Got to be willing to try and fail if you want to learn how to win. That's how you get better at being decisive in tight spots.
You have to decisively be decisive to be decisive!
9/10 gamblers quit right before they hit the jackpot
2:27 Sombra eating the df ult that was meant for soldier lmao. Also that whole part between 2 min and 3 min pissed me off.
Ive learned from playing nothing but zenyatta for comp that most people underestimate him. They assume you will be all the way in the back but zen is one support who can get aggressive. Ive outplayed an orisa solo by using a pillar to keep her away and kicking her in the ass. Discord orb of course. Ive even had success in using zenyatta as a flanker
So I agree with Emongg a lot on the being decisive with this being added. You do need to go into it with the intent to learn. If you decisively go in 1v5 everytime sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Why you may ask. Well what is your team on? What was the enemy team on? What cool downs have been used? These are all variables that you need to be aware of, and try to further improve. I am a gold 2 support player, and these are the questions I run through quickly in my head every time I make a play. Team wipe or get rolled. Obviously I have more to learn as I am gold 2, and will continue to watch Emongg's spectating series to continue to learn more about the game. One last thing before I go is Emongg also doesn't know every characters kit inside and out so feel free to experiment with those ability and Ult usage just keep learning and improving together.
The only solution to be more decisive is trying. Yeah you could watch countless videos about game sense, but most people learn by doing, so just do it.
Yeah honestly decisiveness is really important. Haven't finished the video yet so idk if he says this but even if you make the wrong decision, it's still better than no decision because now you know what you did doesn't work in that situation
I see we have a lot of tik tok chatters in twitch chat huh 💀
Love this guy. Good vibes
i feel like he finally realized he had ult so he ulted
Be decisively decisive. But not like that. Top-tier commentary lmao.
Guess Emongg is Roku from Avatar: "Aang You must be, decisive"
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@@nostalgjc1 oh hey XD
WAIT DO THEY ONLY HAVE ALLY DEATH SOUNDS ON?! I was totally with him until you mentioned the three picks, which I didn't hear. Went back and yup, that changes absolutely everything.
If their team doesn’t have a dps and my tank goes in and I have zen I pop zen ult because their is no healing reduction
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it's immortality field, not invulnerability field 😩😩
S8 ow1 👀
Good aim and alert, future diamond after watching some clips and more game hours I think. Game sence not bad and ult and cool down timing comes with time. Be a good one to revisit
This is probably one of most infuriating replays I’ve watched on this channel. Zen/Bapt player doesn’t even look like he played OW1.
Indecisive people telling others they are being too aggressive just because they think at 2 words per 10 mins drives me insane.
How are you getting mad at a random person’s SILVER gameplay lmao
it's silver, I don't know why you're mad about it. people in silver do silver things. that's why they're in silver.
also, it's wild to me that you came to such an aggressive conclusion about this random person based on what they actually wrote in their discord post. there was no telling. you have no factual basis to think they told anyone on their team anything. clearly someone - or more likely, given it's overwatch, more than one someone - has criticized you for being too aggressive and you think they were too passive and you need to work on getting over that because it's spilling over into how you think about others who didn't flame you or criticize you
@@sethescope LMAO! You can’t accuse me of making things up. Even though the person who submitted the replay code, said those things I mentioned. Then turn around and accuse me of things you yourself have no idea or basis for. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Perhaps I could have worded it better. Annoyed, a better word to use? Come on. You’re telling me there isn’t something in this world that just gets on your nerves? Doesn’t have to make rational sense. It’s just something that gets you.
People acting like I somehow attacked the person who submitted the replay code. I commented my feelings of what I watched. Simple as that.
and no, actually. I wasn't annoyed or at all frustrated by their gameplay. because they're in silver. they're re-learning a game that has changed DRASTICALLY since the last time they played seriously. why would I be frustrated when they make the type of mistakes that are to be expected from someone in their rank *and* are the exact kinds of mistakes I would expect from someone who played overwatch 1?
this isn't to say I don't get frustrated sometimes with teammates or that I never get frustrated in life. but the key to handling and preventing frustration is appropriate expectations. it's unfair to be frustrated by a silver player who is playing like they're in silver, just like it's unfair to go into a super busy restaurant and then get mad because you're not getting seated and served immediately.
but honestly, at the end of the day, you're the one who chose to post a very unfairly negative comment in a public forum. appropriate expectations, remember - don't be surprised when people push back and disagree with you. you're allowed to have your perspective, and I'm allowed to have mine. you shared yours, I'm just sharing mine.
@@DrKoala- UA-cam decided to eat my main reply to you, so here it is again - reading comprehension skills are not the same thing as hypocrisy. reread the discord snip without imputing hostile intent on the submitter. you're assuming a lot about them without any textual basis, which says a lot about you, who you are as a person, and your experiences.
Aggro>passive....grow a pair
Incredible that people who play like this actually think they aren’t the problem. Like they are throwing by just playing thats how bad they are. Deserves a way lower rank. Also “havent played comp” isn’t an excuse u don’t magically get braincell from comp to qp, if you are trash in qp u probably are trash in comp too.