Thank goodness that CEO Akio Toyoda is a car enthusiast himself and actively participates in motorsports. Its people like him that we owe respect to, for producing these relatively affordable lightweight RWD manual cars with N.A. engines. That Hakone Edition is such a nice spec with that dark green metallic paint contrasted with its brown tan interior - I hope the GR 86 will come in more metallic colour options in the future. As for the fake engine sound, hopefully its easily disabled like in BMWs. We ought to buy these cars brand new, otherwise companies will give up and instead draw their attention to the more profitable boring SUVs for non car enthusiasts COUGH Mitsubishi COUGH
Screw mitsubishi lol, they did such a terrible job at managing the whole company, pumping out objectively mediocre products that right now they can't even stand up on their on feet.
@@aaronbryan5095 Their 2021 Mirage is like a car designed from 2001 and all they care about is SUVs and trucks. Totally ditching their rally roots with their Lancer Evolution
@@smilepermile8165 ikr, even the Mirages from the late 80s and early 90s feel nicer than the current Mirage lol, even though they put their focus on crossovers/CUVs but even the ones they make have been behind their competitors for quite a while now, it's like a cascading effect, their regular vehicles are garbage, hardly anyone wants to buy them, they don't have enough money, and then they end up not being able to afford to build good regular vehicles, let alone a Lancer Evolution. It's like how many times do they want to shoot themselves in the foot?
@@aaronbryan5095 Hopefully Mitsubishi finds a solution to this soon. There wouldn't be even a hope for another EVO if Mitsubishi lose the automotive industry race.
Most so-called car enthusiasts care about if this car has a turbo and what 1/4 mile time it does. I care that we have a relatively affordable car that can be a learning tool to teach us car control, within a modest budget because it is lightweight and uses 215 tyres. I like cars that let you steer with the throttle and help you 'rotate' with minimal steering inputs. Many people where I live in the UK sleep on these cars as 'tHeY aRe sLOwEr tHaN a tURboChArGed hAtCHbaCk'
You are right. Unfortunately some people live in very high elevation places where N/A cars loose a lot of power. Where I live near 30% the gr86 would have like 125whp
@@nozopoke1782 I guess you'll need to step up to a Supra or something with forced air. But yes, a very real problem for those living at elevation in places like Colorado, Utah, NM, WY, etc.
@@scottanthony3426 yeah, I drive a mustang gt 2019 and my 0-60 is 6 seconds flat. It’s not getting better than that. I plan to go supercharged whenever I can save some cash
I would happily watch 1000+ more of your POV videos on this GR86, MX-5, S2000 and GT3 Chris! Ignore the haters who say 'hE's mILking rEpEtItIvE cONteNT'
@@TheTopher Thanks. Great idea to post the comparison between old and new versions. You sure have some driving skills to go with your great reviews. I like it that you always mention what exactly you are driving - which trim level, which tires. Funny that there is a big split among the car reviewers I regularly follow. Some think you are completely missing the boat if you get the "Prius tires", others prefer them. Do you have any details on the weight difference between the stock 17" wheel/tire combo vs the18"? Afew years back, Car and Driver did a test on a Golf with a whole range of wheel tire sizes, and as you got to the bigger wheels, acceleration was negatively impacted. You did mention that the PS 4's are high performance all-season. I have a BRZ Limited with Performance Pack ('17 - so I got Sachs dampers, slightly wider wheels and Brembo brakes ) with the Primacy tires. Mine are summer performance, so I end up having to have a separate set of winter wheels and tires, which are primarily needed just to stay within recommended ambient temperature range. (If there is snow or ice, I can take my SUV). So, for some of us, having all-season could eliminate the need for a second set of tires/wheels. The $ 1500 or so I paid for my Sparco wheels and Blizzaks would likely help bridge the gap between the base and premium. (Of course then I wouldn't get the fun Primacy action). Keep up the great work!
I agree completely. I HATE digital gauges. The mechanical tach front and center in the old car was great....they could have just worked at making that basic design better....like they did with the rest of the car.
@@iantaylor4294 I click the thumbnail and expect to see the description in the video without nonsense. But you Ian are pretty pathetic for saying that just from a few words you read. I bet you think your smarter than you really are.
@@TM-8 You expect too much for content you never pay money for you entitled elitist freeloader. You don't care to see the amount of effort that is involved to film these videos with the research they need to do for context, when youtubers make these 'long intros' that you have a problem being a karen about.
@@jamescarson6681 And you think their doing it for free? If it wasn’t for the viewers they wouldn’t be too serious about it. I thanked the creator for the video and you made a big deal of it. Think again Bart
Great Video! What I ended up doing was opening two tabs and watching the laps side by side, was really cool to see you shift near the same points etc. If it fits your style maybe you could upload a video where they are side by side to really see a comparison.
@@TheTopher Why yes, they do! Looking forward to you getting one on your home turf. If I caught that info correctly, these are pre-production models you drove, so it is possible that some minor tweaks (like ablity to shut off the piped in exhaust note) could happen. Wish they'd offer some tire options on all trim levels. Why not the premium with the Prius tires, or a high performance all-season option for the base? Probably because these cars don't sell in huge quantities.
new car feels more premium, interior seems nicer and steering wheel has a nicer look. I really like the new one. 0-60 in 6 seconds is not SLOW! in usa maybe it feels slow because of the wide and long roads, but in europe it's more than enough.
No, 6 seconds really isn’t “slow.” Enthusiasts are over-exposed to the figures of supercars, but a 6 second 0-60 car still feels quick to most people. My E36 M3 only does it in 5.5-6.0 seconds and it certainly doesn’t feel slow to me, even after driving some high horsepower cars.
@@TranceFur Many people are spoilt with these turbocharged hot hatchbacks. Those same people are the viewers that watch CarWow drag race videos with 3 million views
The extra power from the new GR86 is visible even on a twisty track like this one. He was able to upshift earlier. I like it. I still prefer even more power but that's just me being me.
I was able to find a good deal on the '17 BRZ Limited with Performance Pack in early '18. The PP was a bargain. For $ 1200 I got slightly wider wheels, Brembo brakes, and Sachs dampers. At same time, they were pushing the "Series Yellow", which dealers thought were precious and commanded a several K premium over mine. All the same "go faster"goodies, minus the yellow paint and interior piping. Yellow was not the right color for my tastes.
5:10 Incorrect. The Michelin Pilot Sport 4 is a max performance summer tire. The Michelin Primacy is also a summer performance tire just not at the same level, and has higher tread wear rating. Neither are all-season tires. You may have been thinking of the Pilot Sport All Season 4 which is a UHP all-season, and is actually a much better performing tire than the Primacy summer tire equipped on the standard GR86, especially in cold/wet conditions.
The intake sound of the Hakone is glorious compared to the fake noise of the new car. You also look more relaxed driving that one. You can tell how much more loose and progressive the Primacy tire is compared to the video with the Premium trim that has PS4S.
Honestly the old interior is so much superior to the old, not the gages maybe but from the middle console to the passanger seats damn that looks just terrible and aswell the doors there is too much going on there, the old one was so much cleaner.
You can always wait a couple years for them to evolve this generation and ensure that the 2.4L drivetrain is solid. I know that feeling though. I have a '17, and am eying that torque curve with envy. Note however that he thinks this gen has lost a bit of its edge. Although I'm not going to be driving at his level and pushing the limits near as much as he does. But any skill level driver will be able to take advantage of that torque increase and peak being so much more in the range of daily traffic flow. You have to make a loud spectacle of yourself to reach peak torque in the old 2 liter, and then it is more noise than zip relative to the V6 Odyssey's and 2.0 Accords or turbo Sonatas. Feels a bit like a small dog barking loud sometimes.
I have a (automatic) GT 86. I know it's a "drift" car but to race it's way better in my opinion and more fun, yes the torque dip is an issue but the GT86 engine just make you feel so good when you are always on 5k/rpm and trying to do the best time. I love this car and Toyota still got me since my Celica (RIP). The GR86 it's perfect to have fun and economic and still like the GT... Modifications. Mr Toyoda knows how to give his customers' fun with the lowest prices and beautiful cars. Anyway, automatic and manual are totally different and are used for different reasons but making the 0/100km/h or the best 1km run is (for me) absolutely useless with those cars. You really enjoy it in corners. Atmospheric engine for life ! Enjoy your cars, and drive safe, mates
honestly i dont get what hagerty says about the old 86 engine sounding horrible, they both sound similar to me with the GR sounding a tad more "bassier", both are still great cars and engine tho, the old brz is still my dream car
Finally! I've been looking for this comparison for quite awhile - thanks for sharing your thoughts! Do you think that the GT86 with an UEL & Tune would feel closer to the GR86 power-wise?
not at all... 20% displacement upgrade is hard to catch with only header+tune. header+tune is right between 1st gen stock and 2nd gen stock. Is it worth upgrading to the 2nd gen from 1st gen though? hard to justify. If you get header tune, no need to get 2nd gen.
Starting @ 5:10 Topher says Pilot Sport 4 is a high performance all season? Hopefully he meant that the AS no cost option is the Pilot Sport AS 4 which would be a great improvement over the Bridgestone Turanzas offered on Gen1.
Base model gets Michelin Primacy tires. The performance model gets Pilot Sport 4 tires. They’re both all-season tires, but the PS4 isn’t a no-cost option for the base model GR86.
@@TranceFur According to Tire Rack, base gets 17" Primacy (Grand Touring Summer) and Premium gets 18" Pilot Sport 4 (Max Performance Summer). Nowhere in Toyota specs do they mention All Seasons. If you can show where it states that they are offering all seasons, it would be appreciated.
Technically there is no such thing as an all season tire. Because the soft "AS" tires are all suited for cold climates, which the harder summer tires are not.
Topher I'd love for you to answer this question but anyone else in the comments who might know, I'd love a response. Where do you go to learn how to do this? Can anyone drive on these tracks? With whatever car? And even then, if I brought my own car, where would I learn how to actually drive it on a track well?
What's with the new digital gauge cluster crap? Also the exterior looks worse than the old one. That Hakone edition is a beauty to look at. Looks like performance wise GR a step up, doesn't look like it's worth me trading in the current one though.
@@octaviangeorge5455 that's the least of my concern though. As someone who can fix electronic devices, i'm not confident with everything going digital, mainly reliability concerns. Worst of all is electronic handbrakes. They are our last resort when brakes fail, so why add an extra digital layer that may fail? This all digital crap has to stop.
yea thats probably because the new one looks more upscale and more tightly put together, but i think with the GT86's dash being more organically shaped with more round corners and edges make it look more welcoming
I like the new 86 more than the new BRZ this time around but I wish Toyota used metal interior door handles like the BRZ did. Maybe I can replace them with Subaru parts
I think I still prefer the styling both interior and exterior of the old one vs the new one. Especially the rear end. The new rear end reminds me of like a buick regal, or an accord coupe. Kind of generic looking.
@Jeremy Walters yeah but the interior is just a lot better especially being like the modern version of the original AE86 interior And also you get more power and more torque in the new GR86 where it is almost instantaneous and it doesn't lose steam either The big problem with the old GT86 is the torque dip which is why it was perceived as "slow" not saying the old GT86 is a bad car it's a good car for what it is but the GR86 is just better in every way with power delivery, handling, shifting, it's just a better car really to a point where it's actually a Miata killer and is even better than the Miata in every way the numbers really speak for themselves and I'm glad that Toyota and Subaru brought the necessary changes and improvements for the new BRZ and GR86 I need to drive one!
Wondering this myself...I think the Miata is more special ...depends how much u value tiny back seats and a usable trunk.....I also suspect the Miata is faster...(although the heavier RF is slower by the time you reach 5th gear from what Ive seen)
@@ilive2drive651 I’d agree the Miata is probably more special and may become more sought after over time like the S2000. The advantage the 86 has is that it’s a way better daily. From what I’ve seen the 86 is quicker than the Miata by a small margin (including the soft top)
Never really fell in love with my BRZ and you're saying this has lost character. Don't think I'd like this car then. Would you recommend an ND2 over this? Heard they haven't got good steering though..
Toyota: it would be cool to add a speaker to pipe in engine noise. UA-camr: its a better car but its lost character....... In 20 years this will be a legendary car like the NA miata.
The new GR86 central vent area on the interior looks like it came out of a 2004 Corolla. If they just kept the old looks while only doing the engine, chassis, digital speedo, and climate control upgrades, that would've been perfect and we probably would've seen some savings in the MSRP since Toyota and Subaru would not have wasted development money making the car look worse than the previous twins.
Just matter of personal taste, but they messed up the whole dashboard. That huge bazels look like kaka. I won't even speak about the table in front of passenger's legs. The a/c knobs look good though, as the rest of the car and it's not easy to improve an already good looking car.. Thank God, those above are the only cons I can find, nothing essential, only aesthetics..
I actually like that sound alot, throw an aftermarket exhaust on it and it probably rings beautifully. Love the interior obviously. It still feels a little low to me at 220 hp. I just cant picture buying a performance car in 2021 for 28k+ and not getting 300hp
Savage geese dynoed a preproduction model and got 209 whp in one run, makes me believe these are actually underrated. The power difference from the last gen is modest and comparable to boosted options from back in the day like a turbo MR2 or Z. And being around 30k is also decent considering the cost of those boosted cars back in the day with inflation and how much a current Z and supra cost.
Nice comparison althogh would of been nice if you showed spit footage with old car and new car like you did with the thumbnail, seems a little clickbaity including it in the thumbnail but not in the video.
Stupid comparison. Why are you comparing an old car with more mileage compared to a new car? Also that supercharged engine won't last as long as a naturally aspirated engine.
@@vyathaen It requires more maintenance as it wasn't designed to have forced induction in the first place. Pistons wear out faster. Supercharger components add more weight to the car and tyres wear out faster too. My point still stands.
@@iantaylor4294 not really, the added few kgs from the supercharger wont cause your tyres to wear any faster. The difference is very insignificant . for 15K you can do all the maintenance you want, still cheaper and still faster, my point stands
@@vyathaen Wrong. It adds at least 50lbs with the intercooler, extra piping, supercharger housing etc. When stock car has weight distribution of 53% front and 47% rear, 50lbs extra weight up front makes its USP of its handling benefits redundant. 'very insignificant' my ass. Keep talking trash ricer uploading lame gameplay vids 🤣 You don't belong on the track do you, best you stick to traffic light racing
Thank goodness that CEO Akio Toyoda is a car enthusiast himself and actively participates in motorsports. Its people like him that we owe respect to, for producing these relatively affordable lightweight RWD manual cars with N.A. engines. That Hakone Edition is such a nice spec with that dark green metallic paint contrasted with its brown tan interior - I hope the GR 86 will come in more metallic colour options in the future. As for the fake engine sound, hopefully its easily disabled like in BMWs. We ought to buy these cars brand new, otherwise companies will give up and instead draw their attention to the more profitable boring SUVs for non car enthusiasts COUGH Mitsubishi COUGH
Akio san and his team (+subaru too) did a public service for the car enthusiasts.
Screw mitsubishi lol, they did such a terrible job at managing the whole company, pumping out objectively mediocre products that right now they can't even stand up on their on feet.
@@aaronbryan5095 Their 2021 Mirage is like a car designed from 2001 and all they care about is SUVs and trucks. Totally ditching their rally roots with their Lancer Evolution
@@smilepermile8165 ikr, even the Mirages from the late 80s and early 90s feel nicer than the current Mirage lol, even though they put their focus on crossovers/CUVs but even the ones they make have been behind their competitors for quite a while now, it's like a cascading effect, their regular vehicles are garbage, hardly anyone wants to buy them, they don't have enough money, and then they end up not being able to afford to build good regular vehicles, let alone a Lancer Evolution. It's like how many times do they want to shoot themselves in the foot?
@@aaronbryan5095 Hopefully Mitsubishi finds a solution to this soon. There wouldn't be even a hope for another EVO if Mitsubishi lose the automotive industry race.
Most so-called car enthusiasts care about if this car has a turbo and what 1/4 mile time it does. I care that we have a relatively affordable car that can be a learning tool to teach us car control, within a modest budget because it is lightweight and uses 215 tyres. I like cars that let you steer with the throttle and help you 'rotate' with minimal steering inputs. Many people where I live in the UK sleep on these cars as 'tHeY aRe sLOwEr tHaN a tURboChArGed hAtCHbaCk'
yeah this car seems sick.
Yeah, this slower car is faster on a corner, where the real fun exists
You are right. Unfortunately some people live in very high elevation places where N/A cars loose a lot of power. Where I live near 30% the gr86 would have like 125whp
@@nozopoke1782 I guess you'll need to step up to a Supra or something with forced air. But yes, a very real problem for those living at elevation in places like Colorado, Utah, NM, WY, etc.
@@scottanthony3426 yeah, I drive a mustang gt 2019 and my 0-60 is 6 seconds flat. It’s not getting better than that. I plan to go supercharged whenever I can save some cash
I would happily watch 1000+ more of your POV videos on this GR86, MX-5, S2000 and GT3 Chris! Ignore the haters who say 'hE's mILking rEpEtItIvE cONteNT'
And I’ll happily film them for you guys!
@@TheTopher Thanks. Great idea to post the comparison between old and new versions. You sure have some driving skills to go with your great reviews. I like it that you always mention what exactly you are driving - which trim level, which tires. Funny that there is a big split among the car reviewers I regularly follow. Some think you are completely missing the boat if you get the "Prius tires", others prefer them. Do you have any details on the weight difference between the stock 17" wheel/tire combo vs the18"? Afew years back, Car and Driver did a test on a Golf with a whole range of wheel tire sizes, and as you got to the bigger wheels, acceleration was negatively impacted. You did mention that the PS 4's are high performance all-season. I have a BRZ Limited with Performance Pack ('17 - so I got Sachs dampers, slightly wider wheels and Brembo brakes ) with the Primacy tires. Mine are summer performance, so I end up having to have a separate set of winter wheels and tires, which are primarily needed just to stay within recommended ambient temperature range. (If there is snow or ice, I can take my SUV). So, for some of us, having all-season could eliminate the need for a second set of tires/wheels. The $ 1500 or so I paid for my Sparco wheels and Blizzaks would likely help bridge the gap between the base and premium. (Of course then I wouldn't get the fun Primacy action). Keep up the great work!
@@scottanthony3426 I think Sofyan was the one that called them “Prius tires” lol
Anyone else loving the GT86 clunk when changing gear? Sounds so good!
Hot take but I really like the gauges more in the old car. It’s just nice to see well designed analogue gauges. Tired of digital everything.
same :(
I agree completely. I HATE digital gauges. The mechanical tach front and center in the old car was great....they could have just worked at making that basic design better....like they did with the rest of the car.
Should've kept that big analog tachometer in the middle, everything else can be digital
At least there's a more analog-style gauge that you can see at 7:36.
@@faeinthebay
True....but an actual analog gauge is so nice.....like a nice Seiko watch.....vs a Casio.
Only thing I would change is put the 86 badge from the 2020 steering wheel onto the 2022.
Most definitely would love to see that 86 badge on the 2022 steering wheel
Fr I don't know why they got rid of it. it was such a nice touch
fr though, it looks like you're driving a Toyota Corolla
possibly the same steering wheel, could swap it out for an old one :)
Right to the point no wasting viewer time.. Love it. Thanks!
You have ADHD with that short attention span?
@@iantaylor4294 I click the thumbnail and expect to see the description in the video without nonsense. But you Ian are pretty pathetic for saying that just from a few words you read. I bet you think your smarter than you really are.
@@TM-8 Looks like Ian touched a nerve of someone and hurt their 'fEeLinGs'
@@TM-8 You expect too much for content you never pay money for you entitled elitist freeloader. You don't care to see the amount of effort that is involved to film these videos with the research they need to do for context, when youtubers make these 'long intros' that you have a problem being a karen about.
@@jamescarson6681 And you think their doing it for free? If it wasn’t for the viewers they wouldn’t be too serious about it. I thanked the creator for the video and you made a big deal of it. Think again Bart
The older style + the new motor would have been a dream.
Yeah the styling, both inside and out, are much worse than last gen.
@@MCHellshit I'm glad that I'm not the only one thinking the GT86 looks way better than the GR
@@MCHellshit I have a gt86 and... interior for gr86 look and probably gona feel much better lol
Agree
Even the seats in gt86 looks better than gr
Great Video! What I ended up doing was opening two tabs and watching the laps side by side, was really cool to see you shift near the same points etc. If it fits your style maybe you could upload a video where they are side by side to really see a comparison.
woah I did the exact same thing too!
Haha that’s awesome. I just figured “the people need more gr86 videos to analyze!”
@@TheTopher Why yes, they do! Looking forward to you getting one on your home turf. If I caught that info correctly, these are pre-production models you drove, so it is possible that some minor tweaks (like ablity to shut off the piped in exhaust note) could happen. Wish they'd offer some tire options on all trim levels. Why not the premium with the Prius tires, or a high performance all-season option for the base? Probably because these cars don't sell in huge quantities.
new car feels more premium, interior seems nicer and steering wheel has a nicer look. I really like the new one. 0-60 in 6 seconds is not SLOW! in usa maybe it feels slow because of the wide and long roads, but in europe it's more than enough.
Agreed, sadly the GT86/BRZs were not great sellers compared to the turbocharged hot hatchbacks. Hopefully this new GR86 will be different
No, 6 seconds really isn’t “slow.” Enthusiasts are over-exposed to the figures of supercars, but a 6 second 0-60 car still feels quick to most people. My E36 M3 only does it in 5.5-6.0 seconds and it certainly doesn’t feel slow to me, even after driving some high horsepower cars.
@@TranceFur Many people are spoilt with these turbocharged hot hatchbacks. Those same people are the viewers that watch CarWow drag race videos with 3 million views
@@TranceFur yeah bro, i have driven rolls royce, porsche 911 and other fast cars, 5-6 second cars are still fast to me.
6 seconds is not slow, its quite fast especially for a car of this price range, if you took this car back to 1985 it would be a godly 0-60
I’m usually drawn more to blues but Hakone green is breathtaking
I really do like most of the updates they’ve done to the engine and interior, but I sure miss that analog tach.
Same!
The extra power from the new GR86 is visible even on a twisty track like this one. He was able to upshift earlier. I like it. I still prefer even more power but that's just me being me.
If this car had 350hp, I won't be surprised if you say the same thing again. Where does this 'it needs more power' request stop?
@@smilepermile8165 true
@@Zach-yg4tv Its like he doesn't know what the GR Supra is there for lol
@@smilepermile8165 yup. People says the Z370 and Genesis Coupe 3.8 are underpowered. It's always never enough with people.
Because final gear. If you swap that on older will be the same
That hakone edition is one of the few limited editions I would buy. I love the color and interior.
I was able to find a good deal on the '17 BRZ Limited with Performance Pack in early '18. The PP was a bargain. For $ 1200 I got slightly wider wheels, Brembo brakes, and Sachs dampers. At same time, they were pushing the "Series Yellow", which dealers thought were precious and commanded a several K premium over mine. All the same "go faster"goodies, minus the yellow paint and interior piping. Yellow was not the right color for my tastes.
Don't like the digital gauges. Analog fits the car better
The new model looks like a Honda Civic coupe, a Hyundai Genesis Coupe, and a Jaguar F Type all had a baby
This car is the modern version of the Silvia S14 basically
Love the GR86 content!
The only annoying thing about the GR86 is the artificial engine sound through the speakers :/
Luckily it’s not through the regular speakers it has its own and it’s not that artificial sounding until maybe red line
Martin K BMW M cars can disable that fake sound feature so chances are, you can do the same thing to a much more simple Toyota
@@iantaylor4294 Hopefully! :)
Damn you work fast, I appreciate it
5:10 Incorrect. The Michelin Pilot Sport 4 is a max performance summer tire. The Michelin Primacy is also a summer performance tire just not at the same level, and has higher tread wear rating. Neither are all-season tires. You may have been thinking of the Pilot Sport All Season 4 which is a UHP all-season, and is actually a much better performing tire than the Primacy summer tire equipped on the standard GR86, especially in cold/wet conditions.
A perfect way to start a Saturday
The intake sound of the Hakone is glorious compared to the fake noise of the new car. You also look more relaxed driving that one. You can tell how much more loose and progressive the Primacy tire is compared to the video with the Premium trim that has PS4S.
Looks like I gotta start saving up for a gr86
Honestly the old interior is so much superior to the old, not the gages maybe but from the middle console to the passanger seats damn that looks just terrible and aswell the doors there is too much going on there, the old one was so much cleaner.
That Hakone edition is so darn beautiful!
Damn. Looks like the power difference is worth it. I should have waited for this model
You can always wait a couple years for them to evolve this generation and ensure that the 2.4L drivetrain is solid. I know that feeling though. I have a '17, and am eying that torque curve with envy. Note however that he thinks this gen has lost a bit of its edge. Although I'm not going to be driving at his level and pushing the limits near as much as he does. But any skill level driver will be able to take advantage of that torque increase and peak being so much more in the range of daily traffic flow. You have to make a loud spectacle of yourself to reach peak torque in the old 2 liter, and then it is more noise than zip relative to the V6 Odyssey's and 2.0 Accords or turbo Sonatas. Feels a bit like a small dog barking loud sometimes.
I have a (automatic) GT 86. I know it's a "drift" car but to race it's way better in my opinion and more fun, yes the torque dip is an issue but the GT86 engine just make you feel so good when you are always on 5k/rpm and trying to do the best time. I love this car and Toyota still got me since my Celica (RIP). The GR86 it's perfect to have fun and economic and still like the GT... Modifications. Mr Toyoda knows how to give his customers' fun with the lowest prices and beautiful cars.
Anyway, automatic and manual are totally different and are used for different reasons but making the 0/100km/h or the best 1km run is (for me) absolutely useless with those cars. You really enjoy it in corners.
Atmospheric engine for life !
Enjoy your cars, and drive safe, mates
I bet he misses that old BRZ
definitely. The 86s look so good dude. But with how things are, it's going to be super hard to find one. :(
Here in my country Toyota is still selling the 2021 GT86.
@@Jay-mj5lu yup same here
That was a great car!
The new GR86 looks significantly more enjoyable. On the straights, it appears to be 10 mph faster before braking :D
Toyota is on a roll 🥳
Spirited driving, fancy footwork.. Yep.. It's TheTopher.
My Gt86 is paid off the new one is good but doesn’t make me excited enough to pull the trigger. I may just get a Miata nd2 to add to the collection
One thing is for sure, the old 86 emblem is way better! Crazy they didn’t keep that.
I prefer the new one. Looks more in line with the professional look of the cabine.
@@ChrisBa303 gonna have to respectfully disagree on that one.
I like that piston emblem with the 86 in the middle that they had on the wing, but they only did those for the first few years.
@@caglioso True, at least they've shoehorned that boxer engine theme onto the gauge cluster when you start the engine up
I SUPPORT THE GT86
The old interior is much sexier. Them leather seats are hot.
honestly i dont get what hagerty says about the old 86 engine sounding horrible, they both sound similar to me with the GR sounding a tad more "bassier", both are still great cars and engine tho, the old brz is still my dream car
Finally! I've been looking for this comparison for quite awhile - thanks for sharing your thoughts! Do you think that the GT86 with an UEL & Tune would feel closer to the GR86 power-wise?
not at all... 20% displacement upgrade is hard to catch with only header+tune. header+tune is right between 1st gen stock and 2nd gen stock. Is it worth upgrading to the 2nd gen from 1st gen though? hard to justify. If you get header tune, no need to get 2nd gen.
This version of the Primacy is a Summer tire. Kind of like the euro version of the primacy where AS are less common
Really want the GR86 now 😂
Starting @ 5:10 Topher says Pilot Sport 4 is a high performance all season?
Hopefully he meant that the AS no cost option is the Pilot Sport AS 4 which would be a great improvement over the Bridgestone Turanzas offered on Gen1.
Base model gets Michelin Primacy tires. The performance model gets Pilot Sport 4 tires. They’re both all-season tires, but the PS4 isn’t a no-cost option for the base model GR86.
@@TranceFur According to Tire Rack, base gets 17" Primacy (Grand Touring Summer) and Premium gets 18" Pilot Sport 4 (Max Performance Summer). Nowhere in Toyota specs do they mention All Seasons. If you can show where it states that they are offering all seasons, it would be appreciated.
Yeah I was confused as to whether the pilot sport 4 is a summer or all season tire. It’s a summer
Technically there is no such thing as an all season tire. Because the soft "AS" tires are all suited for cold climates, which the harder summer tires are not.
Topher I'd love for you to answer this question but anyone else in the comments who might know, I'd love a response.
Where do you go to learn how to do this? Can anyone drive on these tracks? With whatever car?
And even then, if I brought my own car, where would I learn how to actually drive it on a track well?
The only thing that hakone needed was the brembos. So surprised they didnt have it as an option
It was an option in Japan for the Hakone. But yeah, sad that the US didn’t get that option.
What in the hell is that beep noise at high RPM , it would drive me crazy ! Can you take that noise off ? If not , is it on the BRZ ?
You can set it at any rpm or turn it off in both cars.
What's with the new digital gauge cluster crap? Also the exterior looks worse than the old one.
That Hakone edition is a beauty to look at.
Looks like performance wise GR a step up, doesn't look like it's worth me trading in the current one though.
I dont get it also. Digital stuff is becoming the new norm. But its so ugly and boring. Who the hell asked for it?
@@octaviangeorge5455 that's the least of my concern though. As someone who can fix electronic devices, i'm not confident with everything going digital, mainly reliability concerns. Worst of all is electronic handbrakes. They are our last resort when brakes fail, so why add an extra digital layer that may fail? This all digital crap has to stop.
The new digital gauge cluster works great. I’m usually pro dials…but I can’t fault the new gauges. And the interior overall is much better.
tbh i liked the old one better
Clicked as fast as I can
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What about the steering feel and feedback of the new thing?
Carzy how much better the new interior looks even though its basically the same
yea thats probably because the new one looks more upscale and more tightly put together, but i think with the GT86's dash being more organically shaped with more round corners and edges make it look more welcoming
Unpopular Opinion: the exterior of the old 86 look better than the new 86.
That is the opposite of an unpopular opinion judging by a lot of people here.
I like the new 86 more than the new BRZ this time around but I wish Toyota used metal interior door handles like the BRZ did. Maybe I can replace them with Subaru parts
I think they are metal just a darker shade
Just one correction: Neither tire is technically an all season. (Primacy included.)
And technically, there is no such thing as an all season tire.
I think I still prefer the styling both interior and exterior of the old one vs the new one. Especially the rear end. The new rear end reminds me of like a buick regal, or an accord coupe. Kind of generic looking.
Is it just me or does he sound like Takumi fujiwara sometimes
HAHAHA YESS
How's pedal placement compared to the ND Miata? For heel toe
So the new car is a win everywhere BUT the fake engine noise. The natural induction tone of the old one sounds infinitely better.
Ah yes thanks Topher! Got new episodes to watch for Netflix n Topher tonight 😃
The old GT86 is a good car but the GR86 is just better in every way
Totally worth getting over the old one
@Jeremy Walters yeah but the interior is just a lot better especially being like the modern version of the original AE86 interior
And also you get more power and more torque in the new GR86 where it is almost instantaneous and it doesn't lose steam either
The big problem with the old GT86 is the torque dip which is why it was perceived as "slow" not saying the old GT86 is a bad car it's a good car for what it is but the GR86 is just better in every way with power delivery, handling, shifting, it's just a better car really to a point where it's actually a Miata killer and is even better than the Miata in every way the numbers really speak for themselves and I'm glad that Toyota and Subaru brought the necessary changes and improvements for the new BRZ and GR86 I need to drive one!
Hopefully and speaker disable and catback brings that sound back
We need a comparison with these 2 and the ae86
Topher would you take this car over a ND2 Miata? Seems like it’s really competitive now with the new engine.
Wondering this myself...I think the Miata is more special ...depends how much u value tiny back seats and a usable trunk.....I also suspect the Miata is faster...(although the heavier RF is slower by the time you reach 5th gear from what Ive seen)
@@ilive2drive651 I’d agree the Miata is probably more special and may become more sought after over time like the S2000. The advantage the 86 has is that it’s a way better daily. From what I’ve seen the 86 is quicker than the Miata by a small margin (including the soft top)
How much are the new base 86’s?
Never really fell in love with my BRZ and you're saying this has lost character. Don't think I'd like this car then. Would you recommend an ND2 over this? Heard they haven't got good steering though..
@Kerim Temel If hes in EU he,ll pay 30% fees.
@Kerim Temel 400Z is pretty heavy and has worse habdling conpared to a 86 or BRZ
@Kerim Temel Do you track cars? You have no clue dude.
The steering on the new one actually feels like an ND! It’s not quite as communicative as the steering on the old one.
Is there a way to turn the shift indicator beep off?
Hydraulic steering?
Does this new car rev match down shifts?
No sadly. He is rev-matching himself using the heel-and-toe technique.
A sound speaker in the cabin making race car noises. Talk about delusional
love it
Sucks that we dont get the new 86 in europe. Ridicilous prices anyways for any car that produces more emission than a standard prius
Europe gets the the 86. We are only missing out the BRZ.
The 95 supra came stock with 225 hp
Really wish they kept the 86 logo on the wheel
i'd really like to be abkle to buy this car new jsut support it even existing. well that and I just want one!
Toyota: it would be cool to add a speaker to pipe in engine noise.
UA-camr: its a better car but its lost character.......
In 20 years this will be a legendary car like the NA miata.
It would’ve been nice if they added the rev match on the new 86.
It would…the pedals are not a Miata perfect heel-toe setup.
Lol the Subaru dinger at the end
Is it just me or does he kinda sound like Takumi Fujiwara is the dubbed versions of Initial D? lol
Good 👍❤😍
Is it just me or does @TheTopher sound just like the dubbed voice actor of Takumi from Initial D!! Coincidence? I think not.
He sounds like if Takumi had a proper sleep schedule.
The new GR86 central vent area on the interior looks like it came out of a 2004 Corolla. If they just kept the old looks while only doing the engine, chassis, digital speedo, and climate control upgrades, that would've been perfect and we probably would've seen some savings in the MSRP since Toyota and Subaru would not have wasted development money making the car look worse than the previous twins.
Have to disagree. This car looks way better inside and out🤷♂️
The 2020 interior looks like it's from 80's
Ikr, it looks so nice and simple :)
They could of come up with a new steering wheel design. Rather than sticking the old one in a new car.
I like the old one. Why change it?
Just matter of personal taste, but they messed up the whole dashboard. That huge bazels look like kaka.
I won't even speak about the table in front of passenger's legs.
The a/c knobs look good though, as the rest of the car and it's not easy to improve an already good looking car..
Thank God, those above are the only cons I can find, nothing essential, only aesthetics..
One thing I don't really like is the new dashboard. Looks like something from a suv. Too simple, not sporty
The old dashboard has alot more character, especially that alcantera section. The new one looks super plain, like it came out of a 2004 Corolla.
@@Unchainedmaple888 typical "modern" simplicity. the bulging glovebox didnt help either
Nice car ❤❤
This channel is fuckin sick
I actually like that sound alot, throw an aftermarket exhaust on it and it probably rings beautifully. Love the interior obviously. It still feels a little low to me at 220 hp. I just cant picture buying a performance car in 2021 for 28k+ and not getting 300hp
Savage geese dynoed a preproduction model and got 209 whp in one run, makes me believe these are actually underrated. The power difference from the last gen is modest and comparable to boosted options from back in the day like a turbo MR2 or Z. And being around 30k is also decent considering the cost of those boosted cars back in the day with inflation and how much a current Z and supra cost.
Is it just me or everything in side of this car looks like a aftermarket components you buy off eBay
Do you have to pay to drive on those race tracks
I think you have to join as member! 🤔
Make with turbo please 🙏
Please don’t. I don’t want a 300lb heavier $15k more expensive BRZ.
Big analog tech= more to break later on
My grandmothers Camry XSE destroyed a new 86 on a merge onto the hwy. I thought the bump in power would help. I was mistaken.
The Topher is the best.
GR86
GR yaris
GR supre
thanks TOYOTA
The new car next to old car is soooo low
White car should have given a point by :)
Nice comparison althogh would of been nice if you showed spit footage with old car and new car like you did with the thumbnail, seems a little clickbaity including it in the thumbnail but not in the video.
lol,its funny how everyone is talking about the extra power ...yet you could get a supercharged old gt86 with 300bhp at half the price.
Stupid comparison. Why are you comparing an old car with more mileage compared to a new car? Also that supercharged engine won't last as long as a naturally aspirated engine.
@@iantaylor4294 a properly maintained car can last until the NEXT gt86 comes out, if ever.
@@vyathaen It requires more maintenance as it wasn't designed to have forced induction in the first place. Pistons wear out faster. Supercharger components add more weight to the car and tyres wear out faster too. My point still stands.
@@iantaylor4294 not really, the added few kgs from the supercharger wont cause your tyres to wear any faster. The difference is very insignificant . for 15K you can do all the maintenance you want, still cheaper and still faster, my point stands
@@vyathaen Wrong. It adds at least 50lbs with the intercooler, extra piping, supercharger housing etc. When stock car has weight distribution of 53% front and 47% rear, 50lbs extra weight up front makes its USP of its handling benefits redundant. 'very insignificant' my ass. Keep talking trash ricer uploading lame gameplay vids 🤣 You don't belong on the track do you, best you stick to traffic light racing
I want one of these but i am 13 :(
what track is this
Michelin Primacy tyres and good amount of grip? HAHAHAHA