You should watch the end cenamatic after siege of boralis. There is just a little more of the storyline to it. To get up to the final cenamatic, mean lady sent jaina to an island pretty much of pure evil where the drust king that you fight at the end of waycrest manor took jaina into the nightmare realm you and her mother go in to save her from the demons of her past.
Blizzard really just needs to do a star wars: clone wars style show for Warcraft. Start from the beginning and just cover the entire history of the story/lore. At this point they have enough content for like 10 seasons or more.
I agreen on so many levels. What about we just hand Star Wars in general over to blizzard. Perhaps they make it work where Ryan Johnson failed. :P Anyways they're MUCH better story tellers than Ryan Johnson. :)
I agree i think it would be great to see and would help people who love the lore but are finding it increasingly frustrating trying to keep up with it all when Blizz speads it out over so many various mediums. Would rather have it all in 1 place.
The Jaina storyline is important to those of us introduced to her in Warcraft 3. She is one of the longest serving characters still active in game lore and so even though the Alliance questline is centered around this family, it is meaningful and impactful, given the loss Jaina has endured time and again.
Spoilers, so beware, beware, the spoilers of the game: Actually we don't seen Jaina up until the very end of the Alliance storyline. We fight witches in Drustvar, we expose Lady Ashvane as a bad person in Tiragarde, we prevent corrupted Tidesages from sacrificing Kul Tiran fleet to Azshara. And only then (and after talking with Genn) Jaina's mom decides to get her daughter back. We find out that she was exiled on an island from which no one ever returned. It turns out that everyone on that island is captured into Thros, the Blighted Lands, which is somewhat related to Shadowlands. We go there with Jaina's mother and that's where the vision-cinematic happens. Then there's also one final cinematic that you've missed (Pride of Kul Tiras or as Blizzard named The Return of Hope). It happens after Siege of Boralus dungeon, which happens after the last cinematic that you've reacted to. Also there's this recurring theme of death.... or rather Death (as a cosmic power). We have Bwonsamdi, we have Helya (which is alive), we have Gorak Tul and all this Thros stuff in Drustvar, we have Sylvanas, we have Bolvar (he was doing stuff in Legion, now Taelia turns out to be his daughter), then there's this intriguing questline concerning Vol'jin that you can unlock upon reaching revered with Zandalari Empire. Looks like Blizzard is setting up Death for something big.
On the Alliance side, winning Jaina's family over means getting their fleet and getting an advantage in the war. They have to fix all the problems in Kul'Tiras and win the family over so they can win the war against the Horde while discovering Oldest God influences.
It's not just a matter of "winning the family's favor", because as we learn in the briefing and stormsong the fleet is trapped in a storm, and not even the Storm's Wake tidesages can bring it back. That power is tied to the enchanted pendant from Daelin and the Proudmoore bloodline. No one else can call the fleet back home.
no, it's bad writing because the fact they make her lord admiral. That makes zero sense because for over a decade the Kul Tiras people have hated Jaina and feared her. They aren't going to approve of her (at least many, enough to be a problem). That is the problem. I'd be ok with her EVENTUALLY regaining the people's trust and eventually becoming Lord Admiral, but I feel she's just being rushed into leadership by Blizzard writing team for no good benefit and ignoring what would really happen.
The God Emperor Blizzard isn’t going to spend more than an expansion just to explain growing trust. That’d be worthless and boring. The writing is fine, you’re talking about interpersonal relationships not story writing.
Your analysis is correct. Alliance has a lot of deep cuts to mend. Whereas the Horde is dealing with an external force that is causing a lot of turmoil within the ranks. It's a duality.
Actually the 'World Ending Events' on the Alliance side is a bit more subtle but it's there. It involves Azshara manipulating in the background. Yes... World sundering demon and old god-loving Naga queen of the Sea.
There is a lot of back story involving Jaina, an established character since Warcraft 3. These cinematics cover her guilt over all the loss she has endured and the choices she made which got people killed. Because of those actions Kul'Tiras has been secluded until recently and uniting the country of Kul'Tiras and helping the proudmoore family allows the Alliance to bring them and their fleet back into the fold. Yes the Horde have a more intense feeling with the Old God story and having them fail with the seals but the Jaina Story line is no less involved with the Old Gods and Azshara herself
I really loved how in the Arrival you see Jaina so vulnerable to the "Do you accept the judgement of your homeland ?"... And then you realize she bears the judgement of all the people who died around her, and the first cinematic dosen't bear the same meaning when knowing that.
I disagree about it being best. Especially the ending... such a dumb decision. SPOILERS BELOW!!! "lul, so our nation has hated you for 10+ years and now we're going to just make you Lord Admiral and no one will have a problem" Garbage writing :\ also, I don't believe anyone who really hates themselves/hates their decisions and is angry about things would get over it just like that when Jaina's mom is all "forgive yourself." It'd be a start, but I doubt it'd be enough to really solve it for good.
i love how when her mother see's the judgement scene again, she see's all the people that jaina has lost. Arthas, Varian, Rhonin, etc. Also, as a horde player, i kinda like the alliance story a bit more. Seems a bit more suspenseful and focused.
I do feel like by watching just the cinimatics you miss out on the big moment when you see Katherine change her mind (with gentle nudging from Greymane.) and commit herself fully to finding her daughter. And what I've seen from that scenario that happens before Jaina's Visions, it really adds context to Katherine and what is going on, which is awesome.
In the beginning Lady Proudmoore blamed Jaina for her father's death, and when Jaina is arrested with you you never see her again until the very end of the questing experience which is when you find her with her mom and go through the last cinematic. IN THE MEANTIME we're dealing with witches, old God minions and nuke weilding pirates.
there are 4 , nightmare, arrival, realm and final ... it is kinda bullshit horde only got 3, but hey, them the ropes when this exp gonna be horde heavy i rekon
Jaina's story is tied to the rest of the questline of kul tiras, and as an Alliance player you need her to bring the Kul tirans into the Alliance. But there are probles along the way, and as the champion of the alliance its up to you to do all the dirty work while Jainna gets the cinematics. Its our lot in life, and i'm fine with that. lmao
I think that you should play the Alliance side or just watch Nobbel's stream/video about this. I think that a lot of the plotlines in Kul Tiras kinda go over your head because the cinematics themselves are just focused on Jaina. I mean the entire Stormsong is about Azshara and Drustvar is about an ancient evil from the past.
The thing about the Alliance cinematics is that, by and large, they're disconnected from the actual zone storylines. The storylines in Tiragarde Sound, Drustvar and Stormsong Valley are much bigger in scope, like the Horde questing in Zandalar.
It's not his death she blames herself for, specifically. If you do the quest just before that cinematic you'll see she blames herself for stopping Varian during the attack on Undercity in Wrath of the Lich King.
First, Jaina didn't trade the necklace for the boat, she just gave it to his father's soul so he could take her there, then when he disappeared, the necklace was left on the boat she was traveling and of course she picked it
the alliance side was basically 2 parts, first in uniting kul'tiras to be the nation it once was when Daelen was Lord admiral, then after that you get the quests to save jaina from the tormented lands and help her come to terms with her past and become the new Lord Admiral of Kul Tiras.
The giving of the necklace to the ghost of her father in the Warbringers Cinematic was more or less symbolic imagery. After experiencing the atrocities the Horde were capable of (a few too many times in her eyes), she went back to the place where she laid her father to rest, and drudged back up what was valuable to her new ideals (much like how she took his pendant and left everything else) because she is now willing to listen to some of the "truth" in what her father was saying. "I'm listening now... father..."
I like how Jaina's story basically revolves around her doing what she considers to be the right thing to do, and the entire world seems to be shitting on her for it. It's no wonder that she feels guilty and doubts that peace is even possible. I really hope she has a happy ending and that we don't have to kill her. (I'm looking at you blizzard)
The 6 people standing behind Jaina are those people closest to her she most blames herself for failing to save. Ronin (Vareesa Windrunner's Husband) and Kinndy (Jaina's apprentice) were both members of the Kirin Tor that died when the Mana Bomb hit Theramore. Varian fell at the Broken Shore (which she blames herself for not being involved in due to her personal issues). Behind her is Uther Lightbringer, who was a close friend and who was murdered by his apprentice Arthas. Then we have Daelin Proudmore, she failed to dissuade him into attacking Thrall's horde in WC3 ... and stood aside from both sides of the fighting, resulting in his death. Finally, we have Arthas who she feels she failed to save when she ran from Stratholme rather than stopping him. The lady is one big bundle of regret and loss.
Jainas story is one of the saddest in WoW. She lost Arthas to him becoming the Lich King, she lost her teacher to the scourge, She lost her father to the horde to try to maintain peace, she lost Theramore and Rhonin to the mana bomb, she feels she failed Varian when she didn't let him wipe out the undercity, she finally goes home and her mother disowns her and condemns her to death. Almost her entire tale in Warcraft has been a tale of loss, pain, and sadness. It is past time for her to feel a little love and they start that with the escape from the blighted lands and the cinematic at the end of the Siege of Boralus dungeon.
Her nightmare is so scarey and creepy, and her feelings of betrayal and regret are so blatantly obvious, to live with that kind of guilt would be aweful.
The first cinematic you watched was the second the second was the first and the last one where she ask Jaina to forgive herself and her that is the 3rd one the one right before Siege of Boralis dungeon. The Alliance quest line isn't as pressing short term but is setting the stage for Queen Azshara and looks like Nzoth will be coming in one of the later patches
The Ferryman of the Underworld is named Charon (Care-ON). He transports souls across the River Styx in exchange for a drachma (the more or less standard currency in Greece at the time. The dead were usually buried with at least one to ensure they passed on to the other side).
The bigger thing going on is that the Kul Tiran fleet was kidnapped and held hostage by Azshara and the Tide Sages that control the northern part of Kul Tiras and have control over the oceans have allied themselves with Azshara. Drustvar’s rulers allied themselves with Gorok Tul because Lord Waycrest was dying, giving rise to the Coven which is bringing back the Drust. Gorok Tul ‘s realm is where you find Jaina. And then that lady with Katherine Proudmoore that tells her to “uphold their laws” is creating azurite weapons to overthrow the Proudmoores and take control of Kul Tiras by attacking their own towns under the guise of pirates. But by just these three cinematics it looks like a lot less lol
I think the pendant in the warbringer cinematic was more symbolic then she actually gave it to some lord of the underworld or something, like something going on in her head
Blizzard is doing exactly what I wanted them to do with Jaina and that’s add context to her actions from Warcraft 3 until now. So many people bitched about Jaina and why is so crazy and this gives meaning to all this and this whole focus was to help her over come this and reunite with her mom her people and get passed it and move on, and blizzard nailed that emotion and ended it with a bang at the end. Imo the alliance side was far better then the horde because of the dialog and emotional story being told vs imo a more typical blizzard story on the horde size which was still good and def brought more bigger story as a whole but of course it did because they knew the alliance side was more linear
The entire Stormsong Valley storyline is centered around how the Old Gods and Azshara are basically trying to conquer Kul Tiras and turn its people into K'thir (sp?). So no, it's not all about Jaina's family issues. They're a part of it, but there's a lot more Big Picture shit going down too.
You missed out on the last cinematic, but this is a culmination of uniting Kul Tiras and then going on a mad dash to rescue Jaina after Genn Greymane convinced Katherine to give her another chance. Really, the only way to get the full breadth of the story is to do the quests.
there is no continouity error. she gave the necklace to the 'ghost' of her father but since that ghost was just an imagination she didnt actualy give it away
The Proudmoore conflict and ultimate resolution is just the sinew that binds the Alliance campaign together. It's a lot deeper than just Lady Proudmoore vs. Jaina. Ashvane, Gorak Tul, and other tertiary villains comprise the bulk of the Alliance conflict within Kul Tiras.
Btw, you play the game but you understood everything wrong. Her mother did not behave politically, she just thought that Jaina is a traitor who led to her father's death and the deaths of many men. But when she found the truth, she understood that it was her father's fault
I do think you need context particularly for the latter cinematics, to get more out of them for sure. Also, the premise of the Alliance arc is that they need a larger fleet, and Kul Tiras is the key and thus the proudmoores, so i think that is why it's more politics & personal
I think part of the feeling that some people might have about the Alliance side a bit smaller is scale is due to the fact that 8.1 is going to be dealing with Azshara, and we're not there just yet. The first raid is dealing with more the Zandalari issues, and then we switch to the Alliance side so to speak with the Azshara raid. That's not to say that the Alliance story hasn't had to deal with big events, but it's just setting the pieces for something bigger. I don't know, that's just kind of how I feel about it; we're dealing with the here and now which is the Blood god, and Azshara is just waiting her turn while also causing some shit here and there.
I'm pretty sure the part about her giving her kul tiran pendant to her father's ghost was just symbolic. Not everything in that video was supposed to be interpreted as literally happening; it was an expression of her memories and feelings that led her to the point at the end of the video with her raising the ship.
you relate the scene of her father's spirit with Charon - Hades' ferryman, who steers his ferry between the beaches of the rivers Styx and Acheron, the border between the world of the living and that of the dead P.S. this cinematic literally filled my eyes, i barely stopped myself... it's so much easier to forget and forgive others for what they've done to you... but when you must forgive YOURSELF... for what YOU've done, or you failed to do... it feels as if you're not worthy of your own forgiveness... :(
Baby jaina is soooo cute, and this video is so very done well, the story of her tragic life, jaina is plagued by guilt and self doubt, makes her final triumph all the more fantastic.
The Alliance side is a little scattered in terms of "the problem". The main idea is to get the Kul'tirans help we have to unite the noble houses and get the Proudmoures to like us, each House has a province essentially, with issues. The whole spooky witch thing that you find in both Tiragarde Sound AND Drustvar is related to the Drust - the original race that inhabited Kul'tiras when the humans came and who had a thing for killing unarmed civilians. Many moons ago the Drust were defeated but their King supposed dead, is not, and he's the one doing all the witch crap. The loading screen image with Jaina on one side and some wicker-magic monstrosity on the other - that monstrosity is the King! The other thing going on in Stromsong Valley is very void/chaos/Azshara/old goddy, full of tentacles, and references to a Master, and how SHE will rule all.
Grand fleet Admiral Dalin proudmore. Blizzard portrayed him a bit to aggresive. He was in wc3 or sounded "disapointed" in jaina because she aided the horde dont recall him yelling at her. They should have made him like in wc3 tbh.
There are more in-game cinematics explaining corruption with the Tidesages and an old enemy of the isles returns. Since you're going to play it I'll let you get the rest of it from there.
Her mom is literally hearing Jaina's thoughts and all of her guilt about all the things she thinks she did wrong. And she finally understood what actually happened when Daelin died at Theramore. I am hoping that might equal some more understanding in the future between the two factions, but I'm probably dreaming on that front. :P
The whole plot in the Kul'Tiras, is to get the Fleet to combat Zandalar's massive fleet but it is missing, and N'zoth and Queen Azshara are after it and want to control it. and its about Uniting the Island of Kul'tiras. Also if Jaina is never accepted back what would the chances be that The Alliance will be accepted.
@tradechat I disagree with u bout horde motives and scenarios are global but the alliance side is so minor focusing on a family / person. You should remember that the current role team not just focusing only a major enemy or expansion... the alliance story getting bigger and bigger with each expansion since the mist of pandaria. And not only focusing jaina but also with king anduin. (gosh it still feels like weird to say king to that lil boy.) Alliance story more look alike healing the Azeroth whilst all the storylines and cinematics for the horde is, stay alive, get horde growth and be the only power on Azeroth. Tbh from this point of view alliance storyline is more global and circling everything inside it but the horde lacks on global events and mainly focusing on war against alliance and bitchy sylvanas motives.
Jaina just gives off the whole Disney princess vibe now. Whole story line is bi polar. One minute she's riding in on a badass arcane ghost ship, heroically saving Anduin, saving Stormwind later... and then she's self-loathing and being pushed around by her evil (step?) mom, some fat cartoonish lady, and presumably locked in a tower. ...All while remaining super stylish, tho. It's disappointing. Jaina was a fav of mine going back to Warcraft 3.
Not really continuity error. Her dad wasnt really there to accept it, ut was a ghost. I think that was more symbology of her giving kultiras and her family her loyalty again.
"Bad giant things happening to the entire world. Then theres, Jainas family's broken. We're sad." Lol. Personal fave, "the world is going to end, mon" 🤣🤣
yeah, you're missing a bit of context with just the cinematics. To be fair, I do the same thing with the Horde storyline and just watch the cinematics...XD
Horde Player - obviously, out of context, it's less impactful. Not much epicness in the Horde cinematics if one hasn't played those quests either, btw… and let's face it: apart from having to flesh out some more or Jainas background, they had to sideline her for most of the opening stages of BfA, lest she'd have accompanied the Alliance with the Kul Tirans smashing the Horde and Zandalari to bits while they were still sorting their stuff out. Or in short: for all her power, Jaina had to be slowed down somewhat before she might once again turn her attention on the Horde.
First, love the braiding. That must have taken some time to get right. Secondly, story wise.... the Horde and Alliance stories are opposite of each other. The Horde come to the island and things start off well. The King is in charge and overall it’s moderately stable. After some time the island turns into a cluster fuck as factions erode the stability. In contrast, the Alliance comes to their island and it’s a mess. Faction leaders of the island have gone astray in their own ways, and Lady Proudmoore is barely holding onto power. The player helps replace corrupted island faction leadership and by the end Jaina is back in good standings and joining the Alliance happens. Unrelated question: How is Sylvanas going to work with this Loa of Death? They seem to be a conflict of interest with each other.
You watched the first 2 cutscenes in the wrong order, you're right. The stories for Alliance and Horde are similar. Where the Horde has a bigger threat like the Bwonsamdi taking over the Zandalari the Alliance have the 3 houses of Kul Tiras separated and fighting their own battles without aid from Boralus. Jaina's internal battles are like the conflict that Sylvanas, Baine and Saurfang have externally. So storywise Alliance isn't just focussed on Jaina although she's almost the Alliance's Khadgar this expansion so her character gets more spotlight than some others.
So.. Lady Ashvane has the Heart of Azeroth too? Nice. I see them scattered all across Kul'tiras in houses and such. Must not be that important if Magni was just giving them out to just anyone for people to just toss them aside.
I waited all this time so I could react to them all, and as I am uploading I see that Blizzard just posted another one. LMAO
You should watch the end cenamatic after siege of boralis. There is just a little more of the storyline to it. To get up to the final cenamatic, mean lady sent jaina to an island pretty much of pure evil where the drust king that you fight at the end of waycrest manor took jaina into the nightmare realm you and her mother go in to save her from the demons of her past.
Frogganite, there is also the fact that Azshara was trying to lay claim to the Kul Tiran fleet. That part is revealed in the Shrine of Storms dungeon.
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You didn't saw all. Pride of Kul'Tiras left.
There is a fourth and final cinimatic that shows Jaina's redemption. Also not playing through the Alliance side you would miss many ingame threads.
Blizzard really just needs to do a star wars: clone wars style show for Warcraft. Start from the beginning and just cover the entire history of the story/lore. At this point they have enough content for like 10 seasons or more.
Sadly, I think Legendary pictures still has the rights.
Dularr which they dont even know how to use it
I agreen on so many levels. What about we just hand Star Wars in general over to blizzard. Perhaps they make it work where Ryan Johnson failed. :P Anyways they're MUCH better story tellers than Ryan Johnson. :)
THIS
I agree i think it would be great to see and would help people who love the lore but are finding it increasingly frustrating trying to keep up with it all when Blizz speads it out over so many various mediums. Would rather have it all in 1 place.
The Jaina storyline is important to those of us introduced to her in Warcraft 3. She is one of the longest serving characters still active in game lore and so even though the Alliance questline is centered around this family, it is meaningful and impactful, given the loss Jaina has endured time and again.
Spoilers, so beware, beware, the spoilers of the game:
Actually we don't seen Jaina up until the very end of the Alliance storyline. We fight witches in Drustvar, we expose Lady Ashvane as a bad person in Tiragarde, we prevent corrupted Tidesages from sacrificing Kul Tiran fleet to Azshara. And only then (and after talking with Genn) Jaina's mom decides to get her daughter back. We find out that she was exiled on an island from which no one ever returned. It turns out that everyone on that island is captured into Thros, the Blighted Lands, which is somewhat related to Shadowlands. We go there with Jaina's mother and that's where the vision-cinematic happens.
Then there's also one final cinematic that you've missed (Pride of Kul Tiras or as Blizzard named The Return of Hope). It happens after Siege of Boralus dungeon, which happens after the last cinematic that you've reacted to.
Also there's this recurring theme of death.... or rather Death (as a cosmic power). We have Bwonsamdi, we have Helya (which is alive), we have Gorak Tul and all this Thros stuff in Drustvar, we have Sylvanas, we have Bolvar (he was doing stuff in Legion, now Taelia turns out to be his daughter), then there's this intriguing questline concerning Vol'jin that you can unlock upon reaching revered with Zandalari Empire. Looks like Blizzard is setting up Death for something big.
I'm so excited to see where this goes. Also, in the quest you get when you're revered with Zandalar rep, Bwomsamdi mention he has a boss.
The return of the true god of death argus! I bet sargeras planned for us to kill him so he could regain his true power.
as it turns out, you were right (shadowlands).
On the Alliance side, winning Jaina's family over means getting their fleet and getting an advantage in the war. They have to fix all the problems in Kul'Tiras and win the family over so they can win the war against the Horde while discovering Oldest God influences.
It's not just a matter of "winning the family's favor", because as we learn in the briefing and stormsong the fleet is trapped in a storm, and not even the Storm's Wake tidesages can bring it back. That power is tied to the enchanted pendant from Daelin and the Proudmoore bloodline. No one else can call the fleet back home.
The Tide sages gave the fleet to Aszura.
Yes! Now you just need to watch the final one
Ikr, the final one adds something truly special.....
It adds bad writing tbh
The God Emperor No, it ties in exactly with the Warbringers short
no, it's bad writing because the fact they make her lord admiral. That makes zero sense because for over a decade the Kul Tiras people have hated Jaina and feared her. They aren't going to approve of her (at least many, enough to be a problem). That is the problem. I'd be ok with her EVENTUALLY regaining the people's trust and eventually becoming Lord Admiral, but I feel she's just being rushed into leadership by Blizzard writing team for no good benefit and ignoring what would really happen.
The God Emperor Blizzard isn’t going to spend more than an expansion just to explain growing trust. That’d be worthless and boring. The writing is fine, you’re talking about interpersonal relationships not story writing.
Your analysis is correct. Alliance has a lot of deep cuts to mend. Whereas the Horde is dealing with an external force that is causing a lot of turmoil within the ranks. It's a duality.
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You are welcome, and thanks for reading it 😎
Yes jaina had many ghosts to let go of i absolute loved this storyline.
Actually the 'World Ending Events' on the Alliance side is a bit more subtle but it's there. It involves Azshara manipulating in the background. Yes... World sundering demon and old god-loving Naga queen of the Sea.
There is a lot of back story involving Jaina, an established character since Warcraft 3. These cinematics cover her guilt over all the loss she has endured and the choices she made which got people killed. Because of those actions Kul'Tiras has been secluded until recently and uniting the country of Kul'Tiras and helping the proudmoore family allows the Alliance to bring them and their fleet back into the fold.
Yes the Horde have a more intense feeling with the Old God story and having them fail with the seals but the Jaina Story line is no less involved with the Old Gods and Azshara herself
I really loved how in the Arrival you see Jaina so vulnerable to the "Do you accept the judgement of your homeland ?"...
And then you realize she bears the judgement of all the people who died around her, and the first cinematic dosen't bear the same meaning when knowing that.
Watch the siege of Boralus! Best cinematic so far in this expansion!
yea, that was an awesome one. I wonder if they will add more cinematic's in later patches and stuff.
I disagree about it being best. Especially the ending... such a dumb decision. SPOILERS BELOW!!!
"lul, so our nation has hated you for 10+ years and now we're going to just make you Lord Admiral and no one will have a problem"
Garbage writing :\ also, I don't believe anyone who really hates themselves/hates their decisions and is angry about things would get over it just like that when Jaina's mom is all "forgive yourself." It'd be a start, but I doubt it'd be enough to really solve it for good.
@@Vicioussama you know before that you got ton sht of quests...
We are not Jaina. We going around to help the nation isn't Jaina helping the nation. Especially in the eyes of any regular people.
@@Vicioussama we came with her,we represent her and genn.
Ashvane literally calls Katherine by her name multiple times over the course of the cinematics. "I don't know her name though."
You've got one more to watch, the final Jaina cinematic!
i love how when her mother see's the judgement scene again, she see's all the people that jaina has lost. Arthas, Varian, Rhonin, etc. Also, as a horde player, i kinda like the alliance story a bit more. Seems a bit more suspenseful and focused.
1:16 Where was Gondor when...
Senate OP in gondor *gimli's laugh*
currently whiped out by the Scourge if I'am not mistaken.
I do feel like by watching just the cinimatics you miss out on the big moment when you see Katherine change her mind (with gentle nudging from Greymane.) and commit herself fully to finding her daughter. And what I've seen from that scenario that happens before Jaina's Visions, it really adds context to Katherine and what is going on, which is awesome.
In the beginning Lady Proudmoore blamed Jaina for her father's death, and when Jaina is arrested with you you never see her again until the very end of the questing experience which is when you find her with her mom and go through the last cinematic. IN THE MEANTIME we're dealing with witches, old God minions and nuke weilding pirates.
Jaina learned that sometimes you just gotta... **sunglasses** ...Let It Go.
EEEEEEHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOHHH!!!
Now you just need to watch the final, Jaina cinematic :D
bliz hasnt released it yet, she is probally waiting
What do you mean? The Final cinematic has been out for days.
there are 4 , nightmare, arrival, realm and final ... it is kinda bullshit horde only got 3, but hey, them the ropes when this exp gonna be horde heavy i rekon
Yep there are 4.
uh you kinda missed tghe final cutscene? xD
Ikr, I was waiting for that scene reaction the whole time.
Jaina's story is tied to the rest of the questline of kul tiras, and as an Alliance player you need her to bring the Kul tirans into the Alliance. But there are probles along the way, and as the champion of the alliance its up to you to do all the dirty work while Jainna gets the cinematics. Its our lot in life, and i'm fine with that. lmao
I think that you should play the Alliance side or just watch Nobbel's stream/video about this. I think that a lot of the plotlines in Kul Tiras kinda go over your head because the cinematics themselves are just focused on Jaina. I mean the entire Stormsong is about Azshara and Drustvar is about an ancient evil from the past.
The hair is so good on you. Especially love the colour with it! :D
This was such an epic questline. I loved it.
The thing about the Alliance cinematics is that, by and large, they're disconnected from the actual zone storylines. The storylines in Tiragarde Sound, Drustvar and Stormsong Valley are much bigger in scope, like the Horde questing in Zandalar.
looks like she blamed herself for Varian's death, as you can see his "ghost" vanish along with her father's and Arthus's.
You can see Uther, Rhonin and Kinndy Sparkshine there as well.
I missed them, you have a time stamp? edit: nope found them, how did i miss that lol
At 6:44 all of them are behind Jaina
I think that wasn't Uther 😓
It's not his death she blames herself for, specifically. If you do the quest just before that cinematic you'll see she blames herself for stopping Varian during the attack on Undercity in Wrath of the Lich King.
Fun fact, the actor who played Robert Baratheon in Game of Thrones plays Daelin Proudmoore.
First, Jaina didn't trade the necklace for the boat, she just gave it to his father's soul so he could take her there, then when he disappeared, the necklace was left on the boat she was traveling and of course she picked it
the alliance side was basically 2 parts, first in uniting kul'tiras to be the nation it once was when Daelen was Lord admiral, then after that you get the quests to save jaina from the tormented lands and help her come to terms with her past and become the new Lord Admiral of Kul Tiras.
good christ, you look freaking beautiful with that hair style, this was a nice reaction video :)
The giving of the necklace to the ghost of her father in the Warbringers Cinematic was more or less symbolic imagery. After experiencing the atrocities the Horde were capable of (a few too many times in her eyes), she went back to the place where she laid her father to rest, and drudged back up what was valuable to her new ideals (much like how she took his pendant and left everything else) because she is now willing to listen to some of the "truth" in what her father was saying. "I'm listening now... father..."
I like how Jaina's story basically revolves around her doing what she considers to be the right thing to do, and the entire world seems to be shitting on her for it. It's no wonder that she feels guilty and doubts that peace is even possible. I really hope she has a happy ending and that we don't have to kill her. (I'm looking at you blizzard)
TradeChat is a dreadlord?
Love the hair. looks great :-)
Ahahahahahha
But Sylvanas acts like she has 10 dreadlords up her evil ass. The Jaina meme is dead.
The 6 people standing behind Jaina are those people closest to her she most blames herself for failing to save. Ronin (Vareesa Windrunner's Husband) and Kinndy (Jaina's apprentice) were both members of the Kirin Tor that died when the Mana Bomb hit Theramore. Varian fell at the Broken Shore (which she blames herself for not being involved in due to her personal issues). Behind her is Uther Lightbringer, who was a close friend and who was murdered by his apprentice Arthas. Then we have Daelin Proudmore, she failed to dissuade him into attacking Thrall's horde in WC3 ... and stood aside from both sides of the fighting, resulting in his death. Finally, we have Arthas who she feels she failed to save when she ran from Stratholme rather than stopping him. The lady is one big bundle of regret and loss.
You missed the final cutscene, which makes it all so much better
Jainas story is one of the saddest in WoW. She lost Arthas to him becoming the Lich King, she lost her teacher to the scourge, She lost her father to the horde to try to maintain peace, she lost Theramore and Rhonin to the mana bomb, she feels she failed Varian when she didn't let him wipe out the undercity, she finally goes home and her mother disowns her and condemns her to death. Almost her entire tale in Warcraft has been a tale of loss, pain, and sadness. It is past time for her to feel a little love and they start that with the escape from the blighted lands and the cinematic at the end of the Siege of Boralus dungeon.
Her nightmare is so scarey and creepy, and her feelings of betrayal and regret are so blatantly obvious, to live with that kind of guilt would be aweful.
The first cinematic you watched was the second the second was the first and the last one where she ask Jaina to forgive herself and her that is the 3rd one the one right before Siege of Boralis dungeon. The Alliance quest line isn't as pressing short term but is setting the stage for Queen Azshara and looks like Nzoth will be coming in one of the later patches
The Ferryman of the Underworld is named Charon (Care-ON). He transports souls across the River Styx in exchange for a drachma (the more or less standard currency in Greece at the time. The dead were usually buried with at least one to ensure they passed on to the other side).
The bigger thing going on is that the Kul Tiran fleet was kidnapped and held hostage by Azshara and the Tide Sages that control the northern part of Kul Tiras and have control over the oceans have allied themselves with Azshara. Drustvar’s rulers allied themselves with Gorok Tul because Lord Waycrest was dying, giving rise to the Coven which is bringing back the Drust. Gorok Tul ‘s realm is where you find Jaina. And then that lady with Katherine Proudmoore that tells her to “uphold their laws” is creating azurite weapons to overthrow the Proudmoores and take control of Kul Tiras by attacking their own towns under the guise of pirates. But by just these three cinematics it looks like a lot less lol
Even Kinndy Sparkshire is in the Cinematic..Jainas little apprentice :(
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@@dakotadelones1099 Behind Rhonin and Varian
The necklace is what makes the boat appear.
I think the pendant in the warbringer cinematic was more symbolic then she actually gave it to some lord of the underworld or something, like something going on in her head
Blizzard is doing exactly what I wanted them to do with Jaina and that’s add context to her actions from Warcraft 3 until now. So many people bitched about Jaina and why is so crazy and this gives meaning to all this and this whole focus was to help her over come this and reunite with her mom her people and get passed it and move on, and blizzard nailed that emotion and ended it with a bang at the end. Imo the alliance side was far better then the horde because of the dialog and emotional story being told vs imo a more typical blizzard story on the horde size which was still good and def brought more bigger story as a whole but of course it did because they knew the alliance side was more linear
If you haven't played wow frozen throne or reign of chaos, you might not like these stories.. but from lore perspective these stories are so rich..
The entire Stormsong Valley storyline is centered around how the Old Gods and Azshara are basically trying to conquer Kul Tiras and turn its people into K'thir (sp?). So no, it's not all about Jaina's family issues. They're a part of it, but there's a lot more Big Picture shit going down too.
With the pendant, Panser, my guess is everyone in jaina's family has one and they are just now showing jaina's but hey who knows.
Great job on the hair Panser! It looks awesome.
Like the 3rd time watching the last cinematic and i'm at work now and almost started tearing up again lmfao
Your braid looks good. 😍😍😍❤❤❤
Highest RESPECT for hairs ! You look just like Jaina :D !
you gotta play through the pride of kul tiras questline it gives alot of context and is also just extremely cool in general
You missed out on the last cinematic, but this is a culmination of uniting Kul Tiras and then going on a mad dash to rescue Jaina after Genn Greymane convinced Katherine to give her another chance. Really, the only way to get the full breadth of the story is to do the quests.
there is no continouity error. she gave the necklace to the 'ghost' of her father but since that ghost was just an imagination she didnt actualy give it away
This did not come out yesterday. You also missed the final cinematic where kultiras joins the alliance.
Yeah, the Horde kinda burned an entire capital city full of civilians, so we're going to focus on healing our wounds thank you very much.
yes one woman died jaina"s apprentice was a female gnome. you see her in the cut scene
You totally nailed the Jaina hair!
The Proudmoore conflict and ultimate resolution is just the sinew that binds the Alliance campaign together. It's a lot deeper than just Lady Proudmoore vs. Jaina. Ashvane, Gorak Tul, and other tertiary villains comprise the bulk of the Alliance conflict within Kul Tiras.
4:36 does anyone think that it maybe a hint ? the black ink it may refer to some black magic or simply it means that kul'tiras is falling
Btw, you play the game but you understood everything wrong. Her mother did not behave politically, she just thought that Jaina is a traitor who led to her father's death and the deaths of many men. But when she found the truth, she understood that it was her father's fault
The voice actor for her dad is so fucking good. And that dude on the boat is her dad. And you missed one cinematic.
he should be good...it's the same actor who played Robert Baratheon in Games of Thrones apparently
The pendant to the ferry master was entirely symbolic and metaphorical. There were NO actual dead there, it’s Jaina’s guilt.
I mean *someone* rowed the boat out to the sunken ship, lol.
Yea, she did.
I do think you need context particularly for the latter cinematics, to get more out of them for sure. Also, the premise of the Alliance arc is that they need a larger fleet, and Kul Tiras is the key and thus the proudmoores, so i think that is why it's more politics & personal
I think part of the feeling that some people might have about the Alliance side a bit smaller is scale is due to the fact that 8.1 is going to be dealing with Azshara, and we're not there just yet. The first raid is dealing with more the Zandalari issues, and then we switch to the Alliance side so to speak with the Azshara raid. That's not to say that the Alliance story hasn't had to deal with big events, but it's just setting the pieces for something bigger. I don't know, that's just kind of how I feel about it; we're dealing with the here and now which is the Blood god, and Azshara is just waiting her turn while also causing some shit here and there.
You watched them in order. You did miss the latest cinematic that comes after. but yes they are infact in order to the story.
Quote "Jaina's boyfriend turned into the Lich King so that sucks." Maybe the funniest way that story can be summarized.
You're a Queen and I hope you know that! 👑👑
I'm pretty sure the part about her giving her kul tiran pendant to her father's ghost was just symbolic. Not everything in that video was supposed to be interpreted as literally happening; it was an expression of her memories and feelings that led her to the point at the end of the video with her raising the ship.
I wish they would make a movie length cinematic. It would be much better than the live action one... imho
I thought someone made a really well done cinematic of you when I looked at her hair but just look at the similarities!!!!
The ferryman in Greek mythology was named Charon. Blizzard did a good job with that allusion. Very haunting.
you relate the scene of her father's spirit with Charon - Hades' ferryman, who steers his ferry between the beaches of the rivers Styx and Acheron, the border between the world of the living and that of the dead
P.S. this cinematic literally filled my eyes, i barely stopped myself... it's so much easier to forget and forgive others for what they've done to you... but when you must forgive YOURSELF... for what YOU've done, or you failed to do... it feels as if you're not worthy of your own forgiveness... :(
Baby jaina is soooo cute, and this video is so very done well, the story of her tragic life, jaina is plagued by guilt and self doubt, makes her final triumph all the more fantastic.
Jaina's Mother is Katherine Proudmoore "Enforce our laws Katherine!"
The Alliance side is a little scattered in terms of "the problem". The main idea is to get the Kul'tirans help we have to unite the noble houses and get the Proudmoures to like us, each House has a province essentially, with issues. The whole spooky witch thing that you find in both Tiragarde Sound AND Drustvar is related to the Drust - the original race that inhabited Kul'tiras when the humans came and who had a thing for killing unarmed civilians. Many moons ago the Drust were defeated but their King supposed dead, is not, and he's the one doing all the witch crap. The loading screen image with Jaina on one side and some wicker-magic monstrosity on the other - that monstrosity is the King! The other thing going on in Stromsong Valley is very void/chaos/Azshara/old goddy, full of tentacles, and references to a Master, and how SHE will rule all.
Grand fleet Admiral Dalin proudmore. Blizzard portrayed him a bit to aggresive. He was in wc3 or sounded "disapointed" in jaina because she aided the horde dont recall him yelling at her. They should have made him like in wc3 tbh.
So many amazing cinematics this xpac
I say this a great start to an expansion I just prey they don't slow down and get lazy as these cinematics make me wat to play more =D.
Katherin, her name is Katherin Proudmore
Omg Your hair looks stunning! Slay, Queen! ♥
There are more in-game cinematics explaining corruption with the Tidesages and an old enemy of the isles returns. Since you're going to play it I'll let you get the rest of it from there.
Her mom is literally hearing Jaina's thoughts and all of her guilt about all the things she thinks she did wrong. And she finally understood what actually happened when Daelin died at Theramore. I am hoping that might equal some more understanding in the future between the two factions, but I'm probably dreaming on that front. :P
The whole plot in the Kul'Tiras, is to get the Fleet to combat Zandalar's massive fleet but it is missing, and N'zoth and Queen Azshara are after it and want to control it. and its about Uniting the Island of Kul'tiras. Also if Jaina is never accepted back what would the chances be that The Alliance will be accepted.
There are parts on the alliance side which involves N'zoth and Azshara.
That could be possibly world ending.. 🤔
@tradechat I disagree with u bout horde motives and scenarios are global but the alliance side is so minor focusing on a family / person.
You should remember that the current role team not just focusing only a major enemy or expansion... the alliance story getting bigger and bigger with each expansion since the mist of pandaria. And not only focusing jaina but also with king anduin. (gosh it still feels like weird to say king to that lil boy.)
Alliance story more look alike healing the Azeroth whilst all the storylines and cinematics for the horde is, stay alive, get horde growth and be the only power on Azeroth.
Tbh from this point of view alliance storyline is more global and circling everything inside it but the horde lacks on global events and mainly focusing on war against alliance and bitchy sylvanas motives.
Jaina just gives off the whole Disney princess vibe now. Whole story line is bi polar. One minute she's riding in on a badass arcane ghost ship, heroically saving Anduin, saving Stormwind later... and then she's self-loathing and being pushed around by her evil (step?) mom, some fat cartoonish lady, and presumably locked in a tower. ...All while remaining super stylish, tho.
It's disappointing. Jaina was a fav of mine going back to Warcraft 3.
Alliance story is setting up to dealing with: The Naga/Azshara
Not really continuity error. Her dad wasnt really there to accept it, ut was a ghost. I think that was more symbology of her giving kultiras and her family her loyalty again.
"Bad giant things happening to the entire world. Then theres, Jainas family's broken. We're sad." Lol.
Personal fave, "the world is going to end, mon" 🤣🤣
yeah, you're missing a bit of context with just the cinematics.
To be fair, I do the same thing with the Horde storyline and just watch the cinematics...XD
Horde Player - obviously, out of context, it's less impactful. Not much epicness in the Horde cinematics if one hasn't played those quests either, btw… and let's face it: apart from having to flesh out some more or Jainas background, they had to sideline her for most of the opening stages of BfA, lest she'd have accompanied the Alliance with the Kul Tirans smashing the Horde and Zandalari to bits while they were still sorting their stuff out. Or in short: for all her power, Jaina had to be slowed down somewhat before she might once again turn her attention on the Horde.
First, love the braiding. That must have taken some time to get right.
Secondly, story wise.... the Horde and Alliance stories are opposite of each other. The Horde come to the island and things start off well. The King is in charge and overall it’s moderately stable. After some time the island turns into a cluster fuck as factions erode the stability.
In contrast, the Alliance comes to their island and it’s a mess. Faction leaders of the island have gone astray in their own ways, and Lady Proudmoore is barely holding onto power. The player helps replace corrupted island faction leadership and by the end Jaina is back in good standings and joining the Alliance happens.
Unrelated question: How is Sylvanas going to work with this Loa of Death? They seem to be a conflict of interest with each other.
That was symbolism, She Didn’t really give it to her.
Looking forward to seeing what you think of the final cinematic. Nice job on the hair.
6:50 "We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close to providing peace to Azeroth." Nathanos Blightcaller
You watched the first 2 cutscenes in the wrong order, you're right.
The stories for Alliance and Horde are similar. Where the Horde has a bigger threat like the Bwonsamdi taking over the Zandalari the Alliance have the 3 houses of Kul Tiras separated and fighting their own battles without aid from Boralus. Jaina's internal battles are like the conflict that Sylvanas, Baine and Saurfang have externally. So storywise Alliance isn't just focussed on Jaina although she's almost the Alliance's Khadgar this expansion so her character gets more spotlight than some others.
Horde question: Aren't we out of loa? With the last four isn't that the entire pantheon?
You also missed the scene where Lady Proudmore's general betrayed her
So.. Lady Ashvane has the Heart of Azeroth too? Nice. I see them scattered all across Kul'tiras in houses and such. Must not be that important if Magni was just giving them out to just anyone for people to just toss them aside.
The Boatsman is called Cheron iirc
You're watching the final cinematic without context Panzer. The Blighted Lands is a fairly large threat.