Which Super Rugby legend should the trophy be named after?
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2024
- 1:50 Big game - Canes v Chiefs
8:35 Quentin Strange yellow card and penalty try
12:28 Can the Crusaders upset the Blues?
17:50 Highlanders v Drua
24:00 Why are there so many charge downs?
28:30 Names on jerseys
33:30 A Ranfurly Shield for Super Rugby
36:00 Should the Super Rugby Trophy be named after a legend?
37:30 Why the Black Ferns lost to Canada
40:30 Should the Blues call in Beauden Barrett?
43:50 Harry Plummer’s emergence
46:45 Tipping
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Zinzan Brooke. The first captain to hold it. And a legend of the game.
Israel Folau
Jock Hobbs shield. literally helped sign the players to super rugby under the threat of world rugby corporation and there would be no super rugby without him. saved the legacy of the all blacks and possibly the test calendar being number 1
Great comment!
Israel Folau
The Lomu Trophy - he’s basically the reason any of it is happening/popular anyway
Israel Folau
thank you so much for starting to put timestamps on episodes! :)
The real interest in the Crusaders season is not that they won’t win the championship, but that they have fallen in quality so quickly. For a franchise that always coped well with injuries, depth, gameplan, and consistency it has been puzzling to see them functioning at a capacity somewhere near the Waratahs . Not just coaching, because the problem seems more extensive than that. Not just improvement in the opposition, because the gap between the top four and the rest is substantial. And certainly not just the loss of Mo’unga, Whitelock etc because we’ve spent eight years noting how they nurture their second ranked players. Certainly their ability to play to the limit of the laws has fallen on the unhappy side of the refereeing for once. Maybe it’s the accumulated effect of all these factors, but it’s hard to fathom how a side can be so ordinary, so quickly.
It’s the coach. They play like a poorly coached team. Poor defense. Poor attack. Poor lineout. That’s all down to coaching.
"ability to play to the limit of the laws" - street smarts, as Razor calls it! If you look back the last few years, when they played a genuine B team, they lost. I don't remember them making wholesale changes, like Blues and Canes are currently doing, and being particularly successful. They were loosing more games every year and were not topping the table any more. I think Razor was well aware of this trend which is why he forced Rugby NZs hand.
The Lomu Collins Cup
The LC Cup
@@Odinson1604 that is cool, has a good ring to it.
The Israel Folau “Don’t Fold” Trophy
I think the Drua have a real chance at an upset this week. They almost beat the Brumbies away a few weeks ago. They often rest players for their away games and name their best side for the home games. So that’s another reason for the big differences. They will probably name their best side this week.
Given Super Rugby has had contributions from other nations as well as NZ it should not be named after a single player. South Africa have been an important part of Super but have chosen to go elsewhere, and Argentina won’t be back. Why not call it the Oceania Trophy? Or what it really represents; the Southern Nations Cup? If Japan or the States eventually come into the franchise, call it the Pacific Nations Trophy. That includes everyone, you’d want the kudos of being the top team in this half of the globe, and you wouldn’t be celebrating something named after a player from another rival nation (imagine The Crusaders celebrating winning the John Eales Cup… just doesn’t sit well).
I’d call the Super Rugby trophy the Lomu-Gregan Trophy.
Lomu: The icon at the moment rugby turned pro with Super Rugby (I believe he also played in that first Blues Canes game).
Gregan: IMO the greatest player Australia has produced, the spearhead of the Brumbies.
A bit rough no not include any South Africans, but as they aren’t in the competition any longer it wouldn’t be appropriate.
I love the Ranfurly Shield idea. Super Rugby should've introduced a version of it from day one. There's a guy on rugby reddit who tracks home defence records at Test level and has created a website with all the stats. I think Ireland are/were the 'holders' for aaaaages.
The Raeburn Shield is where it's at for international Mens Rugby ❤
Flanders is the most underrated loose in the country, he should be in the all blacks. Can't understand when Loss plays ahead of him. He is loose and relies to much on others to set him up. Flanders can play loose and open but he is a physical player that imposes himself on everyone he plays
I could never understand how the Canes even used to start Prinsep above him. Kudos to him for sticking around.
Would love to see other top international players playing in Super just imagine if we had some of the best from Ireland, France & Europe etc in the comp how highly competitive games would be week in week out but the reality is unlike the European comps where there's alot of money invested into the game by the competing regions NZ & AUS rugby on the otherhand simply dont have the $$$ to recruit or entice the best rugby players around the world think the best option moving forward is for Super to join & emerge with the Japanese comp which does have $$$.. then the eligibility rules around players applying their trade in Japan wouldnt matter & im sure more NZ players would want to play in the comp rather then go to Europe...
On top of adding a Ranfurly Shield-esque trophy to Super Rugby they should have the Super Rugby Aotearoa put up for grabs, either whichever NZ based team is highest on the table at the end of the regular season wins it or we count competition points for local derbies separately for it.
For international rugby we use the location of the first match so the Raeburn Shield is the lineal title in the mens game as the first match in 1871 was at Raeburn Place in Edinburgh. In the womens game it is the Utrecht Shield as the first womens international in 1982 was in Utrecht (Netherlands) between France and Netherlands.
Could be a good way to go with super version
It should be named after Glenn Jackson. He has been a player, a referee and now a head coach - a feat unlikely to be repeated for a very long time.
My most cherished footy memory is being in McClean park with my mate Beaver the night Counties finally achieved the improbable of earning that log o wood from Hawkebay. Till the day I die " COUNTIIIIEEESS".
Drua v Moana P = KAVA BOWL Trophy. Winner goes away with a season supply of kava 😁
Gotta say it's a bit silly for Jim to say that he "doesn't know" what's going on at the Tahs - they have an injury crisis for the ages (I think at this point every contracted front rower has been ruled out for the season) that's been well-covered in Aus media, so it's not really that surprising for them to be all over the shop. Would be interested to hear your thoughts on who Darren Coleman's replacement should be, especially on the murmurs that Brock James could be a viable candidate.
Bryn needs to be involved in rugby on a national level his insights are so good
Something in recognition towards Jonah. Without Jonah they wouldnt of been professional
Rubbish
Andrew Mehrtens shield... he would have liked one.
Where are the shorts!?!?!?!?! 😂😂
The Carlos Mc’Carter cup 😤
The amount of players that "are in the ABs conversation" speaks of how low have the ABs come.
The full Bryn today 😁
I'd love an old school white all blacks jersey with Cullen 15 on the back.
The Wyatt Crockett Shield. Rename can shield as the cap record is broken.
The Crockett-Carter Boot; most games, most points. Crusaders Trophy, as they owned it for so long.
Back in the 1980s in a famous match Wayne Smith put a kick into the Auckland in goal area, and the ball was knocked overt the dead ball line by an Auckland player. Canterbury should have been awarded a penalty or penalty try and retained the Ranfurly Shield.
John Kirwan, 1985, at the end of the game.
The Auckland Blues Trophy.
1st team to win it
The Jock-Tree Zin-Dan McCaw Cup.
A suggested super rugby trophy name would be the Carter/McCaw cup.
Could be good
Have you heard of international rugby's lineal world titles though? Adding these shields in the mens and womens game could be game changing
Why is it that refs are looking for the marginal fringe rulings?
The Crusaders have had a few O’Keefe calls in their time. But this year has been a stand out.
Deliberately knocked dead.
Yes we acknowledge this is a penalty, but if the Brumbies player touches the ball first it is a knock on, the action being first means Strange’s “strange” decision is irrelevant.
It seems the refs are looking for the complicated and ignoring the simple.
Shot clock.
As far as I understand and from what can be obtained online.
Conversion - 90seconds
Penalty - 60 seconds
This actually lost the Crusaders a game this year because the refs got shot clock wrong.
What’s more amazing is the game hours before where Moana won the shot clock was 90 seconds…
I might be answering with my black & gold glasses on but lets go for the top try scorer. The one and only TJ Perenara
TJ Perenara already has the "White Line Fever" cup....If he could only convince himself that a Rugby ball is filled with air and not lead. Passes to worms or in the shape of rainbows is never a good look on a 9....just ask Justin Marshall. LOL
Syd Going Trophy
How about "The Fanless Cup" or "The Cavernous Trophy" LOL.
Kia ora bros. What’s the latest with the smart mouth guard things? I’m only watching highlights but there’s no mention of any of that from what I’ve seen. Still a few decent “smashed em bro’s” though. Worse than ALBs one early on too
The Cullen Cup. Or the Robertson Shield
ANZAC or Gallipoli, Shield / Trophie (dont want the aussies to cry)
Sonny Bill Williams
Theirs no playerthats greater than the legacy of any team or ay club... let alone a competition
Maybe they should call it The Ranfurly Shield. From a once prized trophy of a great provincial competition, to the same afterthought the NPC is to the NZR and most of NZ now. The only media the shield has garnered in years was when it got damaged, otherwise it's a completely forgotten aspect of nz rugby. Shame on the NZR for how they've treated everything below their Super Rugby obsession.
Having reproduction classic rugby jerseys with names on the back would just look tacky because they never came out like that
Buck shelford
I’m sorry to say this but the money is off-shore. NZR needs to tie into foreign markets and that ain’t easy, but the AB brand is the greatest in sport.
Dan Carter
lomu collins cup
mo'unga
Zinzan Brooke Cup
Jonah lomu
Gotta call it the Lomu trophy seeing as the Blues fiddled with the provincial boundaries to get him in their inaugural team. Shoulda been a Chief all along. Also played for the Canes, so that's 25% of the current teams he has a tie to
He's from South Auckand
Lomu trophy,the first all blacks superstar
Rob Penny
😮
😂😂
Jonah Lomu
I doubt Super Rugby will last. But why not Wyatt Crockett. Most games is Super Rugby
The Buck Cup - youre welcome
Can confirm that Canberra is a horrible place in general.
Whoever won it the most
The Bakkies Botha Cup (BBC)
Good Idea Didn't Think Of Him Brian Habana Another One Victor Matfield Percy Montgomery List Goes On
No, they are not part of the competition anymore. And good riddance ‼️
Hahahahahaha
The Percy plate
@@MegaTkls What exactly is so funny⁉️
There is seven tries on averge per game in Super Rugby. However the laws have to change to make it more exciting? What are you lot on about? It sound more like we have to change the laws so it increase the All Blacks chances to win a world cup because fronting up to big packs is just to much for them.
I’m with you! The law makers are so desperate they’re turning the game into touch footy or tag. Give me hard fought rugby any day and if that means 1 try then so be it. Never in my life would I have expected to be watching more league than union but it’s happening
Did you copy and paste this on all NZ rugby talk shows? Did you even watch this episode? Because not once did anyone mention anything about changing rugby laws.
NONE !! It should be called NPC ! 5 AUS 1 drua 1 moana 11 top NPC teams !! With an automatic promotion relegation ONLY for NZ teams !! This is the only way to bring local interest back to Rugby and the only way to compete with League !!
Ah yes, because Manawatu and Southland can really support a fully fledged professional team, right right.
Promotion and relegation for only certain teams is silly, but the rest of the idea (IMO) isn't terrible
@StarLeo_ you never know a Saudi billionaire might buy them. Think man city 😂😂😂😂
We need our top players playing with each other in the same teams to create that relationship/chemistry that carries over to the allblacks.
With 26 Unions that would never work, but they could have done some logical mergers (like Tasman) to create about 12 mini-franchises and the top 4 go through like in the pre-Super Rugby tournaments of old. It'll never happen though, the NZR are Super Rugby obsessed, to the detriment of everything else.
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Why does Sky sport publish this on youtube in 360p quality?! Its 2024! My first digital camera from 20 years ago had better quality.
Change your settings.
When YT videos upload, they upload from the lower resolutions up. You just have to wait for the higher resolutions to render on the server.
Watching in 1080 right now
@@PJSO Yeah watched in the first couple minutes. HD is now available.
@@Intergalatikk At the time only 360p was available. @PJSO had the answer.
Whats happening?? To moeunga please guy 's
Lomu trophy, he took the game global
Nemine Jonah Guy Passed On History His Names Edged In It That's Enough It's 2024 Move On And Up
Sid Going, Grant Batty, Tane Norton, Olo Brown,,,, George Nepia, Buck Shelford, Jona Lomu,,,?
Habana
The Handré Pollard cup.
Ben Blair or DMAC. Tried hard, too small, not fit for test rugby and basically irrelevant. Best sums up super rugby pretty well now
no one wants to own the modern jersey, yuck synthetic feel. I like the idea of modern names on cotton "heritage" jerseys. good on you fellas.
Lomu of course ,,,no brainer
Elephant in the room. Super rugby has no history and that has always been the problem. Orphan child. Joke a of a competition. 150 years of tradition and footage that can’t be embraced.
Until it is 150 years old. You have to start somewhere , and it isn't a joke of a competition.
What comp around the world has 150 year old footage? 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
So there’s footage from before video filming was even invented? That’s impressive
Obviously I was referring to the 150 years of rugby tradition in New Zealand not only footag(earliest 1920s). Ffs who said anything about footage of the first game in 1870. The break from traditional NZ rugby brands in favour of a superficial corporate brand based on a alien American model is the issue. If you want to engage fans and build intergenerational engagement you can’t break the lineage. My point was to illustrate the inability to use the tradition in a physical and emotive sense is not accessible in the super rugby format. But sounds like you fellas are all over it keep whipping your dead horse.
@@Tmcds1234 I get the tradition thing. We have the Currie Cup which is the oldest club tournament in the world but unfortunately it is not fit for purpose in the new professional global rugby world we live in. We need to keep the tradition and I think SR tried to do that and linked the franchises to the big regions and clubs but can never satisfy everyone. But without Super Rugby, there would be no money to pay the players and the ABs would suffer as a result. NPC etc on its own would never generate near the revenue needed to maintain the high standards required today.