Martini-Henry I.C.1 Carbine

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  • Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
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    Formally adopted in 1877, the I.C.1 Martini Henry was formally designated the "Arms Interchangeable, Carbine Breech loading Rifled, with clearing rod Martini Henry Mk1". The word "interchangeable" refers to its use for both the artillery and cavalry services, instead of needing a separate design for each, as was typical of military forces at the time. It was chambered for the massive .577/450 cartridge, with a 21.3 inch barrel and an overall weight of 7.5 pounds.
    I am shooting it today with 1950s Kynoch ammunition, a batch of which came into the US several years ago and can still be found without much trouble. However, it gave me significant hangfires and split cases, and I would not recommend it.
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  • @bruceparr1678
    @bruceparr1678 3 роки тому +134

    I had an Enfield Martini that was passed down by my great grandpa. It was dated 1882. The cocking indicator could be moved with your thumb into a position that prevented the trigger actuating. So it worked as a safety.

    • @thenextbondvillainklaussch3266
      @thenextbondvillainklaussch3266 2 роки тому +10

      I thought i had the rifle .......... until today , apparently my great grandfathers martini is a Carbine

    • @kevinoliver3083
      @kevinoliver3083 Рік тому +3

      You may have a Swinburn-Henry; a commercial modification of the Martini-Henry action with a cocking/decoding lever instead of the cocking indicator.
      As well as being sold as sporting rifles, Swinburn-Henry carbines were acquired by yeomanry (volunteer cavalry) and colonial militia units. Some were later rebarreled to 303 and put into reserves alongside Martini-Enfields

    • @Mere-Lachaiselongue
      @Mere-Lachaiselongue Рік тому

      Your great grandpa lived in the 19th century?

    • @bruceparr1678
      @bruceparr1678 Рік тому +2

      Yes, all of my great grandfathers lived in the 19th century. One of my grandfathers was born in 1882.@@Mere-Lachaiselongue

    • @bruceparr1678
      @bruceparr1678 Рік тому

      The engraving said Enfield, it was 577/48 and still had the bayonet lug.@@kevinoliver3083

  • @peterlewerin4213
    @peterlewerin4213 4 роки тому +67

    My grandfather collected "antique" weapons. As a kid, I was mostly impressed by the flintlocks, but as I grew up I became fascinated by the muzzleloading/breechloading transitional era. So many ideas clustering around each other and fitting together to varying degrees.

    • @ohlordy2042
      @ohlordy2042 Рік тому

      Same here. I love these old single shot rifles. There are so many actions and breech closing concepts competing with each other.
      I aspire to putting together a collection of all the actions from the era.....dropping block, Martini-Henry, rolling block, trapdoor etc. etc.

  • @acealtiier584
    @acealtiier584 8 років тому +360

    5:40 The voice crack made that line. Got a good laugh out of that.

  • @ravenslaves
    @ravenslaves 9 років тому +268

    If absolutely nothing else...at least this one is lefty friendly.

  • @Omnihil777
    @Omnihil777 7 років тому +20

    Forgotten weapons, but never forgotten videos. Real fun to watch the old ones.

  • @dylanwight5764
    @dylanwight5764 5 років тому +129

    Old video, but hopefully you see this comment Ian.
    If you ever have the opportunity to get your hands on a Martini-Henry Greener or Martini Cadet in the original .310 Greener/Cadet, please pleas PLEASE!!! feature it sometime! The .310 Greener/Cadet rifles are extremely difficult to acquire these days outside of Australia, and the ammunition is no longer commercially manufactured -- only cases are available.
    The rifle is notable for occupying a very interesting place in Australian firearms law, being pretty much the only Martini variant which qualifies as an _unrestricted_ antique firearm here due to the ammunition and rifles first being manufactured in 1900, before federation in 1901 and the ammunition not being commercially available. More interestingly, most surviving examples were converted in-house by the Australian federal armories to more common calibres like .22LR or Win 32-20 then sold commercially as surplus.

    • @outdoors5352
      @outdoors5352 3 роки тому +2

      Thank you Sportco 😁

    • @dylanwight5764
      @dylanwight5764 3 роки тому +1

      @@outdoors5352 They did good work. I'm still hunting for one of their conversions. Supply seems pretty dry these days.

    • @outdoors5352
      @outdoors5352 3 роки тому +1

      @@dylanwight5764
      Hopefully picking one up tomorrow. 🤞

    • @dylanwight5764
      @dylanwight5764 3 роки тому +1

      @@outdoors5352 nice! hope it works out well for you :)

    • @oatka01
      @oatka01 3 роки тому +1

      "More interestingly, most surviving examples were converted in-house by the Australian federal armories to more common calibres like .22LR or Win 32-20 then sold commercially as surplus."
      I remember, back in the late '50s, Ye Olde Hunter out of California was selling rechambered 301s in 32 Winchester Special. I was tempted, but the gun was so light (I bought a .310 from him), I figured the recoil would be a bit stiff. Sold it a few years later because , even then, ammo was a problem.

  • @Mrgunsngear
    @Mrgunsngear 9 років тому +499

    That think makes a M44 look like a 22lr...

    • @brandongarcia4681
      @brandongarcia4681 5 років тому +3

      not at all

    • @lukedontknow9283
      @lukedontknow9283 5 років тому +9

      Martini Henry not carbine makes this look like a 22lr

    • @Spacemonkeymk1
      @Spacemonkeymk1 3 роки тому +6

      There was a 22 version. I used one as a kid and shoot a full size nowadays. 10 rounds rapid fire is enough for a day...

    • @WorldGoods
      @WorldGoods 3 роки тому

      That think

    • @based_prophet
      @based_prophet 3 роки тому

      .454 I hope so

  • @ajarofcancer7902
    @ajarofcancer7902 8 років тому +1946

    scout lvl 10

  • @MagicPaw9000
    @MagicPaw9000 8 років тому +76

    It's nice to see this in action!
    My father had an old martini henry rifle that was broken, but the chamber for the cartridges was huge and i could only imagine the power of this.
    Btw. I really appreciate your content; It's always fun to watch and in a professional manner. Additionally, you even respond to almost every question, in the comment section, I see!
    Thanks!

  • @armstrongcuster9262
    @armstrongcuster9262 2 роки тому +52

    One major correction though : The HENRY part of the Martini-Henry relates to the Scottish gunmaker Alexander Henry who specialised in barrel rifling technology, and not to the American B.T. Henry in connection to the american lever action rifles etc.
    Otherwise a very good video. You are doing a great job!
    Thanks!

  • @jasperpye9597
    @jasperpye9597 7 років тому +120

    3:24 the rifling was designed by a Scotsman Alexander Henry not by the American Benjamin Tyler Henry.

    • @JSsm987
      @JSsm987 4 роки тому +2

      Britishman!

    • @hughgordon6435
      @hughgordon6435 3 роки тому +2

      If you really want to annoy both sides a north British resident?

    • @YorkyOne
      @YorkyOne 3 роки тому +3

      @@hughgordon6435
      A Scotchman.

    • @hughgordon6435
      @hughgordon6435 3 роки тому +2

      @@YorkyOne ouch

    • @filster1934
      @filster1934 3 роки тому +10

      @@YorkyOne, a "Scotchman"?! Only if you want to piss off a Scotsman.

  • @Lockbar
    @Lockbar 8 років тому +73

    6:48 Hurry up!! 300 Zulus just ran over the top of that hill looking for you.

  • @carlhicksjr8401
    @carlhicksjr8401 5 років тому +82

    "The lads find the service rifle to be rather conducive to the bayonet. After being punished by a half-hundred rounds of Martini, they look forward to the prospect of an assegai in the belly with some relief...."
    --British line infantry officer to Melton Prior [London Illustrated News], Zulu War 1879

  • @gurtsmunta1
    @gurtsmunta1 5 років тому +232

    Front row “FIRE”
    Second row “FIRE”
    Third row “FIRE”
    “FIRE”
    “FIRE”
    “FIRE”

    • @emperorconstantine1.361
      @emperorconstantine1.361 4 роки тому +10

      CEASE FIRING!!!

    • @plymouth5714
      @plymouth5714 4 роки тому +15

      No, No, No! That's not how we do it....
      Front rank FIRE! Advance!
      Front rank FIRE! Advance!
      Front rank FIRE! Advance!
      BAYONETS! CHARGE!
      That's how we do it!

    • @stevewilcox6304
      @stevewilcox6304 4 роки тому +2

      From the rear, advance!

    • @plymouth5714
      @plymouth5714 4 роки тому +20

      @magic8 That's very true! The Zulus knew all about charges although a Zulu survivor of Isandlwana told the British after the war that they lost a large number of warriors when they reached the British lines and faced intact formations of infantry with their bayonets. Until then the Zulus' opponents had always broken and run from the final Impi charge, the British stood firm and died fighting to a man. Another Zulu recounted "Those British soldiers! Not one of them tried to run away, they fell where they stood like stones in a wall" . That was high praise from a Zulu warrior.

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us 3 роки тому +1

      @@plymouth5714 that's bravery right there. Knowing you're likely about to die, and standing your ground anyway until the inevitable comes.

  • @BoerChris
    @BoerChris 4 роки тому +59

    I have fired 3 rounds from one of those and that was enough. Even with a reduced charge, the recoil is brutal.

    • @T34-Tank-Commander-Volkov
      @T34-Tank-Commander-Volkov 2 роки тому +2

      What round did you use?

    • @BoerChris
      @BoerChris 2 роки тому +8

      @@T34-Tank-Commander-Volkov It was the standard 0.577/.45 round, but with a reduced charge. I can't remember how much powder as someone else did the loading.

    • @T34-Tank-Commander-Volkov
      @T34-Tank-Commander-Volkov 2 роки тому

      @@BoerChris ok thanks

    • @grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338
      @grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338 2 роки тому +4

      @@BoerChris i'm guessing those rounds used smokeless powder instead of black powder, since even huge black powder rounds can be mild compared to smokeless powder ones.

    • @BoerChris
      @BoerChris 2 роки тому +3

      @@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338 No, they were charged with black powder.

  • @mossbergmaniac1947
    @mossbergmaniac1947 8 років тому +585

    Came here because I'm bidding on one of these rifles, and everyone is talking about a video game, man I feel old.

    • @rizzlebazzle5845
      @rizzlebazzle5845 6 років тому +52

      As a 16 year old, i can say i share your feelings of disappointment by the comments, I'm here because of Zulu!

    • @CastilloinaSpeedo
      @CastilloinaSpeedo 6 років тому +33

      I'm here because I'm a goatee aficionado...

    • @juki009
      @juki009 6 років тому +31

      Don't feel so bad... I am 30 and I'm here for the facial hair.

    • @theclonewhopunchedadroid7501
      @theclonewhopunchedadroid7501 6 років тому +9

      They are talking about battlefield 1 where this gun is used for the snipers in that game

    • @Cherokie89
      @Cherokie89 5 років тому +29

      I play Battlefield 1, used the Martini in that game because of Zulu!, and am thinking of buying one of the mk iv variants if I can make the reloading economics make sense. I'm about 30, though. Middle ground.... update, I bought a beautiful MK IV long lever.

  • @davidaitchison1455
    @davidaitchison1455 5 років тому +7

    The paper patch has a number of functions. It acts like a gasket to seal the bore and stop gas blow by. It helps reduce fouling build-up as you mention and, it prevents leading of the bore.

  • @andreivieira
    @andreivieira 7 років тому +11

    Dice is awesome, the sound and the recoil in BF1 is almost equaly the real Martini Henry

  • @TheGreatMoonFrog
    @TheGreatMoonFrog 4 роки тому +41

    Hunt showdown brought me here, I am not disappointed.

  • @RockIslandAuctionCompany
    @RockIslandAuctionCompany 9 років тому +36

    GoPro view was cool. Would not be disappointed to see more of that. :)

  • @GjVj
    @GjVj 9 років тому +13

    Bloody hell, I can feel that kick from this side of the Atlantic! Love the pith helmet too, btw. Great video, cheers!

  • @LordBurgerofFriesland
    @LordBurgerofFriesland 8 років тому +482

    I'm here because of the movie "Zulu"

    • @clockworkmultiverse92
      @clockworkmultiverse92 6 років тому +21

      That one, and also "The Man Who Would Be King" and "The Four Feathers".

    • @Horriblebastad
      @Horriblebastad 5 років тому +1

      Huh

    • @mikekemp9877
      @mikekemp9877 5 років тому +6

      in zulu dawn the prequel for some reason probably availability very few full size martinis are used most troops in it have the carbine.

    • @gooby8953
      @gooby8953 5 років тому +2

      Men of harlech in the hollow

    • @ronashapouri403
      @ronashapouri403 5 років тому +1

      Aye

  • @toshsimpkin4386
    @toshsimpkin4386 4 роки тому +8

    I shot one of those in Northern Ireland. As a soldier I was used to the next to no recoil from the SA80, so this was quite a shock to my system.

    • @eziothongs4137
      @eziothongs4137 2 роки тому

      Heeeeeeeee cum 2 mt village we r head hunderzface to face

  • @Shane-Singleton
    @Shane-Singleton 8 років тому +38

    Very cool weapon for a single shot breech loader. Looks more durable than the trapdoor Springfield.

    • @georgesheffield1580
      @georgesheffield1580 Рік тому +1

      And much, much stronger .

    • @davegeisler7802
      @davegeisler7802 Рік тому +2

      Oh yeah the Martini-Enfield has a very strong action unlike the hinged Trapdoor

  • @WhiteCavendish
    @WhiteCavendish 9 років тому +4

    The Martini-Henri has long been my holy grail of rifles. I love it and I hope I can manage to find one someday. As always, your vids are superb and extremely informative. Bravo, sir!

    • @bskorupk
      @bskorupk 9 років тому

      WhiteCavendish Try atlanta cutlery or IMA they have them for a decent price and in good shape, they even have spare parts! The nepal cache is the oldest milsurp on the market, you can even get a Brown Bess! Ammo will still be a problem though...

    • @WhiteCavendish
      @WhiteCavendish 9 років тому

      Thanks for the tips :) Unfortunately I live in Canada and thousands of miles and the ITAR prevent me from making good on the suggestion. You guys are lucky for how available guns are to you. Cheers!

    • @bskorupk
      @bskorupk 9 років тому

      WhiteCavendish
      well... didn't know that Black Powder Firearms counted as war materiel and subjected to military import and export laws, I'll be more grateful. I'm not an expert, but how are the politicians behaving in Canada, as the idea of having Trump as president is a bit disturbing.

    • @WhiteCavendish
      @WhiteCavendish 9 років тому

      OLDCONTEMPTABLE
      Well, you make a good point; it's possible that the Martini may be exempt from ITAR as a relic or something. It's a very convoluted and confusing piece of law. I'll research it with a view to finding out if those are exempt.
      I recently characterized the choice facing Canadians in the October election as a choice between, and excuse my French, shitty, shittier and shittiest. The Conservative party has done a lot of stupid things lately, but compared to the Liberals (who brought in Canada's idiotic gun laws in the first place) and their vapid manchild leader Justin Trudeau, and the terrorist loving angry-beard NDP leader Mulcair, the choice is pretty clear. The Cons are the only party that's done anything whatsoever for gun owners in the last 30 years, plus they're the only party that isn't run by socialist elitist lunatics, so yeah...sad state of affairs in general here.
      Donald Trump is an absolute clown; the fact that the Republicans would even let him run is disturbing enough, but that he's leading the polls currently is even worse. Why can't the Republicans manage to find someone competent?!
      The USA needs a president who has a deep and abiding love of the nation and its Constitution and who understands that the United States has only ever gone wrong when it has departed from the principles enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
      Best of luck to you, sir!

    • @TheDavephillips
      @TheDavephillips 8 років тому +1

      +WhiteCavendish The Martini in .577/.450 calibre isn't a firearm under Canadian or even British law. You can buy, sell and shoot without a PAL. I use one, a MK IV for hunting and it works a treat with handloads. I use a home cast .464" 485 grain bullet patched to .472 in the Mk IV. Get one and you'll never regret it though you will suffer bruising, they kick like a mule.

  • @DavidM-um2uk
    @DavidM-um2uk 5 років тому +20

    That gun is in amazing shape for it's age! I wish I could say that...

    • @Kevin-mx1vi
      @Kevin-mx1vi 3 роки тому +2

      Some years ago I had the pleasure of handling the full-sized rifle version, which was also in excellent condition, probably because they are very well made from high quality steel. I have no idea how much or how little service it had seen but the gun had been surplussed at some point and the barrel sleeved to a smaller (.303" ?) calibre. On taking it apart the action showed no sign of wear & worked as if it were brand new.

  • @Rysperydon
    @Rysperydon 7 років тому +159

    Do you have nerfed version of this weapon or the one before the patch ?

  • @wackattack180
    @wackattack180 9 років тому +5

    I passed on one of them years ago but was regretting it and now I want one even more after watching you fire this carbine :D Great video and thumbs up !!!

  • @CrysResan
    @CrysResan 6 років тому +6

    I wish they still made this kind of action anymore. It just seems to fun to use. Sounding about it seems to have much more charm than even modern break-action single shots.

    • @greggclarke5822
      @greggclarke5822 5 років тому

      Ruger #1 has a very similar setup.

    • @alsaunders7805
      @alsaunders7805 Рік тому

      I don't know the manufacturer but my cousin got a new rifle for Christmas about 45 years ago. It was a lever action falling block single shot 22LR. It worked very similar to this. I got a Marlin Glenfield bolt action 22LR that same Christmas and we put thousands of rounds through them that summer. Good times. 🤓🍻

  • @ozdavemcgee2079
    @ozdavemcgee2079 6 років тому +6

    A similar thing was a 310 cal cadet. Same action basically. A friend of mine had one that was converted to 5.56 with (I think a Sportco barrel from South Australia. Or maybe that was a 243 on a lee enfield action I had it was over 30 yr ago). The 223 on the cadet was deadly accurate. I know not a forgotten weapons thing..but it shows how things dissapear into modifications

  • @HaronYoungerBro
    @HaronYoungerBro 8 років тому +171

    Can't believe this gun has just as cool badass sound in real life as it has in the BF1!

    • @HaronYoungerBro
      @HaronYoungerBro 8 років тому +15

      JohnReviewer112 have u heard this M-H sound in BF1? Best gun sound ever made :)

    • @mericle123
      @mericle123 8 років тому +21

      bf1 does probably have the best gun sounds i have heard in a game, not cooler than the real thing obviously

    • @richardroberson2564
      @richardroberson2564 6 років тому +1

      Most guns sound like that in real life

    • @camronrapp4146
      @camronrapp4146 6 років тому +3

      I mean it should because Dice used real sound footage for all the guns.

  • @kevinbarksdale7897
    @kevinbarksdale7897 6 років тому +1

    I started watching an old British comedy series called Dad's Army about the Home Guard formed during WWII. Lance Corporal Jones talked about the Martini-Henry rifle during his time in India in the late 1800s. Found this video in my general search about the rifle. Thank you for the post.

  • @TheN00bPolice
    @TheN00bPolice 7 років тому +33

    Only does 90 damage up close though.

  • @benjamineckerson5116
    @benjamineckerson5116 8 років тому +1

    I wishyou still put the opening credits in your newer videos. I love the stuff you guys put out its entertaining and informative just wish you put more videos of you guys shooting these awesome weapons up more often like this one. Lately its been all show no go. Keep up the good work, this beats the pant off of what they pass off as television now a days.

  • @rorymcgrath4282
    @rorymcgrath4282 8 років тому +54

    6:43-7:05 Sinia desert, martini Henri. Battlefield 1

  • @Matt61702
    @Matt61702 9 років тому +2

    Ian, I really enjoyed the use of the GoPro for POV. I would love to see this become a regular thing so that we can see a different view of the interesting firearms you share with us!

  • @rush2124u2
    @rush2124u2 3 роки тому +5

    Now that is a rifle for my collection, if I could get one. That's a piece of history

  • @sajidhoosen8665
    @sajidhoosen8665 8 років тому +22

    im still waiting to unlock this weapon..but i hear its a beast with the sweet spot mechanic

    • @ACKaizar
      @ACKaizar 8 років тому +1

      Best gun in BF1, as a sniper I'm kinda biased there but if you like to play aggressive and get them at about 30m range then you don't have to worry about a thing. Even the majority of the time at close range I don't worry and on occasions when you do, the Mars handle's the rest.

    • @Youareindenial
      @Youareindenial 8 років тому +5

      then only sad thing for me using this weapon is when i hit a 99

    • @MisterDoge
      @MisterDoge 7 років тому

      uhh... bad news then buddy..

    • @luisgalvez4303
      @luisgalvez4303 7 років тому +2

      капіталістычны learn how to dip, dodge, duck, and dodge lol. this gun is a beast.

  • @lizardboyuk
    @lizardboyuk 9 років тому +13

    Gotta say Ian, Lovin' the Go-Pro perspective :)

  • @diagorosmelos3187
    @diagorosmelos3187 4 роки тому

    Mate. You are the best armament historian on the internet . Keep it going.

  • @shanemcdowell4852
    @shanemcdowell4852 9 років тому +7

    I have a Martini Henry Carbine as well. Mine is stamped 1862 from The Braendum Armoury Co. Chances are that all of the parts are not matching parts though, but still a great little carbine. I can agree about the kick being a bit mulish and about the hang time. If I remember correctly the propellant used at that time was cordite, it sort of resembles uncooked spaghetti, and it is much slower burning than the conventional smokeless powder we have now because it takes the sticks longer to absorb oxygen to burn. As far as the ammo for shooting, I have fired a few .577/450 out of mine each time I go to the range, but more often than not I use my casing adapter that allows me to fire .45 Colt out of my rifle which is much cheaper than the $12-$20 a round it would cost me to fire the .577/450. The .45 Colt adapter also helps reduce the amount of kick the rifle produces when firing more than once or twice.

  • @Chaddlee
    @Chaddlee 4 роки тому

    That round is huge for a small rifle. Firing that all day would leave some bruises. Another great video.

  • @troy9477
    @troy9477 8 років тому +4

    Great video. I only knew a littke about these. Interesting that the ejector is so vigorous after almost 140 yrs. Either a testament to the design, or the springs were replaced sonewhere along the way. I can see where the hammerless design would be an advantage in service- especially for cavalry carry in a scabbard, i should think. I love old military arms, and the amalgamation of diff designers from multiple countries is very interesting.

    • @BigLisaFan
      @BigLisaFan 7 років тому +4

      The only coiled spring in a Martini is in the breech block. When the operating lever is worked, the breech block falls at the front hitting the extractor which is L shaped and pivots on a pin and levering the case from the chamber. No spring involved.

  • @fuffdawg4625
    @fuffdawg4625 4 роки тому +1

    I like how little Ian has changed over the years

  • @joaovasco3969
    @joaovasco3969 8 років тому +75

    Iam here because Bf1 has this weapon and dam its a monster :D

    • @LifeStyle-uh1ns
      @LifeStyle-uh1ns 8 років тому +13

      Im here because I actually own one of these, now I have to grind on BF1 so I can get the darn thing in the game.

    • @LifeStyle-uh1ns
      @LifeStyle-uh1ns 8 років тому +1

      Check out IMA's website. If you live in the US, you can go for an untouched mark 4 as you can have fun cleaning it up. If you live outside the US, order the cleaned and complete one as you don't want to deal with the hassle of shipping stuff multiple times. They are pretty awesome to own and a nice investment.

  • @edwardhoops6197
    @edwardhoops6197 2 роки тому

    My dad had a nice one along with other antique rifles which we fired one fine day in Nebraska. He had a reloading room with thousands of reloads lining the walls. Nothing technical to add, just that we had a lot of fun. He had a blackpowder kit pistol he put together which we fired off in a single car garage into a telephone book. 50 caliber, pretty loud. We were visiting my sis's house and as soon as they left to go shopping we turned her garage into a shooting range.

  • @jacksonthesyndicalist2771
    @jacksonthesyndicalist2771 8 років тому +341

    this makes me want to unlock it in BF1

    • @fruitloopz311
      @fruitloopz311 8 років тому +1

      Prince Imrahil it's very eh. the projectiles are slow as fuck

    • @jacksonthesyndicalist2771
      @jacksonthesyndicalist2771 8 років тому +1

      Skunky Settings We don't use that language *flags comment so no one else sees it*

    • @skunkysettings6567
      @skunkysettings6567 8 років тому

      Prince Imrahil COOL XD peace the fuck out

    • @fat4brains
      @fat4brains 8 років тому

      Prince Imrahil i got it and its great

    • @skunkysettings6567
      @skunkysettings6567 8 років тому

      maverickmavs4 gotta love shooting imaginary rifles

  • @degrelleholt6314
    @degrelleholt6314 3 роки тому +1

    I remember seeing this rifle in the film The Man Who Would Be King. I never knew they had such a nasty kick.

  • @goldenhitman
    @goldenhitman 8 років тому +22

    I remember digging one of these up in a building site once.

    • @thomasbarker2888
      @thomasbarker2888 6 років тому +11

      That's an infinitely more fascinating story than "I play vidya gaymes durr hurr. Hu els?"
      Please elaborate!

    • @guccimalcs
      @guccimalcs 5 років тому +6

      Thomas Barker oh please tell me how you’re much more superior because you don’t play video games.

    • @richardhillman9745
      @richardhillman9745 5 років тому +5

      @@guccimalcs grown men have better things to do

    • @howardchambers9679
      @howardchambers9679 4 роки тому

      @@guccimalcs ooooh!

  • @AtlasJotun
    @AtlasJotun 3 роки тому

    The newer intro-style is neat, clean, and brief. I still miss this old intro, and the music makes me nostalgic now. I enjoyed that quip at around 6:19 when Ian dropped the second cartridge in: "I think that thing friggin' echoes when in lands in the chamber there." It's a monster, I tell you!

  • @MCMLXXXVICCXII
    @MCMLXXXVICCXII 7 років тому +3

    There are some songs about those "martini" rifles in Turkey. They are really beautiful and effective rifles. Love to see one in action :)

  • @thevoyageur2152
    @thevoyageur2152 Рік тому

    It’s always fun to watch Ian shoot big guns😊

  • @Hanrahan32
    @Hanrahan32 8 років тому +4

    The Go pro segment was very cool, should try to incorporate that more in shooting videos. Very nice.

  • @Bogie3855
    @Bogie3855 Рік тому

    Up here in Canada Martinis are all over the place. I am on my third Martini that is a BSA converted Cadet to 22 rimfire with a huge bull barrel and what appears to be competition hooded front sight. I just picked up a tang sight for it as well and am doing a restoration on it. They are a delight to shoot any day and the kids in our Youth Program get a huge kick out of shooting something that old. Not sure why but I am really into falling blocks. I just sold an Ithica single shot lever Peabody actioned 22. Love shooting history. Up here gunsmiths love the Martini action especially for big caliber builds because apparently the receiver will take enormous amounts of recoil.

  • @noobdudegaming1018
    @noobdudegaming1018 8 років тому +268

    dude your channel's getting so much attention thanks to BF1
    :P

    • @DystruktoBoi1
      @DystruktoBoi1 8 років тому +59

      Ian McCullum is in the BF1 credits under the special thanks :)

    • @noobdudegaming1018
      @noobdudegaming1018 8 років тому +2

      DystruktoBoi1 Cool! :P

    • @79masshole
      @79masshole 6 років тому +2

      He helped with the weapons during the making of the game

    • @jjjkoy
      @jjjkoy 6 років тому +7

      bf1 is getting so much attention thanks to Ian. there, fixed that for you.

    • @Lavi-Aemilia-Astori
      @Lavi-Aemilia-Astori 3 роки тому

      Wrong ways

  • @peterfeltham8065
    @peterfeltham8065 4 роки тому

    Ian,you really have a talent for explaining to the layman.I find your videos easy viewing and at the same time very informative to a relative novice such as myself.

  • @mikemessier7977
    @mikemessier7977 9 років тому +5

    Would like to see a 2 gun match. Martini-Henry vs 1873 Trap Door Springfield. Keep up the great work guys!

    • @camerl2009
      @camerl2009 9 років тому +5

      it would be more even with the snider and the trapdoor since they both started as conversions of muzzleloaders

    • @bskorupk
      @bskorupk 9 років тому +1

      camerl2009 Especially if the trapdoor is an Alan conversion which kept the original bore the same way the snider did.

    • @c3pfett
      @c3pfett 5 років тому

      @@bskorupk
      Only the initial sniders. If its 5 grove rifling then it was built as a breech loader

    • @bskorupk
      @bskorupk 5 років тому

      @@c3pfett You are Part-Right, I'd strongly suggest you check out this and the other videos of this channel! :) ua-cam.com/video/oJp2q_HWPF8/v-deo.html

  • @nitroxylictv
    @nitroxylictv 4 місяці тому

    I love this gun. Antique late 19th century and early 20th century single shot rifles just have such a cool vibe because of shooting it once and having to reload, while also being chambered in a large caliber. Its like a handheld cannon, or the modern flintlock.

  • @captainmauser8527
    @captainmauser8527 4 роки тому +7

    It was Alexander Henry, a Scottish gun maker in Edinburgh, who designed the Henry rifling and barrel used in the Martini-Henry rifle. Not an American.

  • @eiclan
    @eiclan 9 років тому

    Gday Ian,the foil cases were renown for pulling the head off the case and then the rifle just became a spear. When I used to shoot at the Coolgardie rifle range here in Western Australia I used to find the foil cases all the time as Coolgardie was a very early military range. All rifle ranges in those days were military as rifle club members were considered to be the third tier of the military and shot the military rifle of the day.When WW2 started the members who joined took their target SMLE s with them and as these had heavy barrels were very accurate. All changed these days of course.

  • @ZGryphon
    @ZGryphon 6 років тому +12

    Missed opportunity: "If you've seen the movie _Zulu,_ you've seen these. Faasands of 'em." :)

  • @bronconv
    @bronconv 9 років тому +2

    Great video as always! You really have one of the best firearm channels/website's around. Thanks for putting these out there. Does Go-Pro make a Pith Helmet attachment accessory? Lol.

  • @austinarvanitis8226
    @austinarvanitis8226 3 роки тому +3

    One of the rare times Ian fires the gun from the right instead of the left.

  • @Krompierre.
    @Krompierre. 7 років тому +2

    I just love the breach loading rifles (and lever action ones) :)
    For some reason, it seems like Winchester 1873 is Martini-Henri 1879 with "magazine"
    Anyway, old school is old school and there is something amazing when shooting

  • @adrienperie6119
    @adrienperie6119 9 років тому +8

    The cartridges look like mini German 20mm rounds for the MG151 ! It would be nice if you could shoot ballistics gel next time, or use a ballistic chronograph if you can get one, I really wonder how those old British "musket" caliber rounds perform, they seemed to really like them at the time.
    The gun and cartridges are in very good condition for their age by the way !

    • @skyhop
      @skyhop 9 років тому

      I'd suspect the round would be fairly identical in performance to the 45-70 gov't. So pretty much like a 12 gauge sabot.

    • @AtholAnderson
      @AtholAnderson 9 років тому +2

      Considering the .577 Snider was used as an African big game round, I can imagine that kind of load pushing the smaller .450 would've given it a hell of a punch downrange.

    • @camerl2009
      @camerl2009 9 років тому

      AtholAnderson the .577 snider was a military round I doubt people used it to hunt dangerous game until the guns they were sold as surplus the .577 snider and even .577-450 were most likely used on elephant in the ivory hunting days that said they can not compare to the black powder express rounds of the time the .577 snider cases are only 2" long while the shortest .577 BPE was 2 3/4" long that held a lot more powder(don't forget the bullet also has to sit in the case). the powder charge and bullet weight are roughly the same between the .577 snider and the .577-450 martini they are about on par although the .577 snider leaves a bigger hole

    • @camerl2009
      @camerl2009 9 років тому +2

      Tombs Clawtooth not really this round used 85gr of fg black powder with a 480gr bullet packs a hell of a punch

    • @adrienperie6119
      @adrienperie6119 9 років тому +2

      john hinchliff
      ..... I just meant very large caliber by "musket caliber"... Deugh.
      Tombs Clawtooth
      Actually the energy is much higher than a 45-70.......

  • @varanid9
    @varanid9 4 роки тому +2

    The recoil may be brutal, but, at least you don't have to worry about wrong side ejection for a leftie, Ian.

  • @Decoda.
    @Decoda. 8 років тому +308

    you watch 27 Battlefield 1 videos and this pops up into your recommendations

  • @David_Crayford
    @David_Crayford 5 місяців тому

    First firearm I fired was a 0.22 LR Cadet training version of this weapon (at our underground range near the river Thames) which was a very well maintained antique, but clearly still lethal.
    We had 3 firearm safety lectures before shooting, including a case study of a 0.22 fired in US that shot a bird outdoors, but the bullet passed though and killed a person 2 miles down range.

  • @jettrooper3rd930
    @jettrooper3rd930 9 років тому +14

    You look pretty fit Ian, do you lift?

  • @taskforcecheesebread
    @taskforcecheesebread 8 років тому

    This came under my recommendations because of BF1. I'm glad because this is a great video!

  • @smartdoge4626
    @smartdoge4626 3 роки тому +3

    Ah yes. The martini henry. For when punching a hole through someone is an understatement and that guy some 100m away is lacking in the donut department

  • @robertarmstrong2248
    @robertarmstrong2248 6 років тому +1

    It is my understanding that paper patching was used to impart proper engagement of the bullet to the rifling to establish proper spin stabilization of the bullet for accuracy/precision. It may have secondarily reduced fouling but that wasn't its main purpose.

  • @typicallamagoat
    @typicallamagoat 8 років тому +632

    BF1 anyone?

    • @ApocaDoc
      @ApocaDoc 8 років тому +3

      Matthew Gifford currently grinding for this gun :D

    • @maxphilippi9944
      @maxphilippi9944 8 років тому

      Matthew Gifford Unlocked it and dominated the server with 34-12 K/D and 14500 points

    • @typicallamagoat
      @typicallamagoat 8 років тому

      ashton fussman Same here :0
      Point, click,kill

    • @maxphilippi9944
      @maxphilippi9944 8 років тому +2

      ashton fussman Wow, not really my playstyle, I have 1070 kills with the Automatico trench

    • @typicallamagoat
      @typicallamagoat 8 років тому

      Jeff Jefferson Jekovsky Not a big fan of the close range lead spray, but we all have opinions

  • @hugebartlett1884
    @hugebartlett1884 2 роки тому +1

    After a running battle firing one of those things all day,your shoulder would be one hell of a mess,unless you used padding. You can see why the discipline was so harsh back then,just to keep the men firing!

  • @ThePerfectRed
    @ThePerfectRed 9 років тому +7

    It seems strange that the bolt action was ignored so long in the USA, particularly after the prominent Austro-Prussian and Franco-Prussian wars. In the latter both sides used the bolt action and it would seem quite obvious to any observer that this action has the most potential (particularly as the French actually out-gunned the Prussians rifle-wise).

    • @Ensign_Cthulhu
      @Ensign_Cthulhu 9 років тому +2

      The Yanks do seem very fond of their levers, also of their open hammers (including ones that require cocking on break-action guns). The bolt, whether turn or straight-pull, does however seem to be the pinnacle when it comes to military service arms in the pre-self-loading era (i.e. the time before every infantry combat soldier in every major army was issued a self-loader as routine).

    • @mosinnagant7800
      @mosinnagant7800 9 років тому +2

      Actually, the US military mostly used a rolling block action, the 1873 Springfield. It was mostly civilians who used the lever actions. They quit using them in 1892 and switched to the Krag series of rifles. There were bolt actions tested before then such as the M1885 Remington Lee (1879-1892). The Lee was arguably the most advanced bolt action rifle in the world at the time. The M1886 Lebel later took that position due to it's use of smokeless powder. It wasn't that the bolt action was ignored, it was that getting a military to not only switch over to a new gun, but also a gun that was a huge change from what they had been using is not an easy thing to do. Most, if not all militarizes have had similar issues at some point in time. Many of the World's militarizes were still arming their soldiers with bolt action rifles as a standard arm, while the US was issuing semi automatics in WWII.

    • @Ensign_Cthulhu
      @Ensign_Cthulhu 9 років тому +5

      Mosin Nagant Sorry, I should have made it clear that I was talking in civilian terms as well as military. As far as other nations sticking with bolt actions is concerned, remember that rearmament is a matter not just of what you are technically capable of but also what you are industrially and economically capable of. Look at the British EM2 after the war - bullpup selective-fire assault rifle with integral scope as standard, firing a mid-range-calibre (7mm) intermediate-power cartridge. That's what most people think of as 1980s technology or possibly even 2010-era (compare the 6.8SPC, the Grendel and the 6.5 Creedmoor). What killed it? US insistence on the 7.62x51.

    • @Ensign_Cthulhu
      @Ensign_Cthulhu 8 років тому

      lastswordfighter none I don't know what the cost was, unfortunately, but if you look on the Forgotten Weapons UA-cam channel you can see the 7.62mm version being demonstrated. A combination of politics and logistics, but economics figures into that too.

    • @zacharyrollick6169
      @zacharyrollick6169 2 роки тому

      Most of this is clear hindsight. Before they wanted magazine fed guns to be the standard, there was very little performance difference between guns such as the American trapdoor and the British Martini versus the single shot bolt guns of France (Gras) and Germany (G71). It was pretty much luck of the draw that bolt guns were capable of handling magazines.
      And too be fair, the US did test bolt guns a number of times. They just weren't better enough to warrant replacing the standard, especially given martial doctrines of the time.

  • @HPBrowningBoy
    @HPBrowningBoy 9 років тому +2

    I believe the British also developed an incendiary .577-450 for use against Zeppelins during World War 1? I love these old blackpowder guns and the history behind them.

  • @EhRandomGuy
    @EhRandomGuy 5 років тому +3

    The man who would be king!

  • @SMc-in5bc
    @SMc-in5bc 8 років тому

    This is like"Victory by Design' but for guns. Wonderful stuff!

  • @TheBetaMale
    @TheBetaMale 8 років тому +19

    What causes the hang fire? It looks like a standard cartridge. Is it the gun or the cartridge?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  8 років тому +45

      Bad primers cause hang fires.

    • @jacobperry7637
      @jacobperry7637 7 років тому +1

      Black powered could take a moment to overpower the seal on the brass seal on it.

    • @c3pfett
      @c3pfett 5 років тому

      @@jacobperry7637
      He said he's using Kynoch ammo. Those are smokeless rounds. They stopped making them in the 50s and their boxer primed so they tend to hang fire a bit

  • @NomadGSR
    @NomadGSR 3 роки тому

    BF1 Producer's must have watched every single Video from this Channel

  • @benaguilar1787
    @benaguilar1787 9 років тому +6

    Any reason why you sometimes shoot right handed?

  • @HaNsWiDjAjA
    @HaNsWiDjAjA 2 роки тому

    The paper patch wasnt actually added to remove black powder fouling (though it might), that was the job for the beeswax wad on the base of the bullet. The lubrication properties of the wax kept the fouling soft, and the wad being expelled in each firing essentially swabbed the barrel as well.
    The paper patching was there to prevent the unjacketed bullet from leading the barrel. The paper instead of the projectile was in contact with the rifling the whole time it travelled down the barrel.

  • @hannesbiegert
    @hannesbiegert 7 років тому +3

    My favorite weapon in BF1! Love it so much. One shot one kill

  • @troy9477
    @troy9477 7 років тому +2

    I always thought this was a more ergonomic and efficient system than the trapdoor springfield. The ballistics are very similat to 45-70, and we know it was effective in Africa. Great historical piece.

  • @AryDontSurf
    @AryDontSurf 5 років тому +4

    That intro needs to be brought back.

  • @YISP7
    @YISP7 7 років тому

    Unlocked it, and earned the first Service Star right after it. Love this beast :D

  • @Mildcat743
    @Mildcat743 8 років тому +4

    I noticed a small patch of knurling (is that how you spell it?) just behind the breachblock on the right side of the reciever. Is that supposed to be some kind of thumbrest?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  8 років тому +4

      Yes.

    • @rorymcgrath4282
      @rorymcgrath4282 8 років тому

      Lucas Hagg No, if You're on Xbox, just point the gun at someone and then press RT, I'm sure you will get used to it.

    • @Mildcat743
      @Mildcat743 8 років тому

      rory mcgrath what

    • @flyershockey28
      @flyershockey28 7 років тому

      Lucas Hagg he's talking about battlefield 1

  • @jeffcoulter7181
    @jeffcoulter7181 4 роки тому +1

    A great uncle of mine had the British 303 version of this. Kicked like a mule.

  • @Daybr3ak1991
    @Daybr3ak1991 8 років тому +4

    love this gun

  • @ncktbs
    @ncktbs 9 років тому +1

    i have always like those rifles and thought they were one of the best single shot rifles ever made but im a history enthusiast and not an expert at all i think they are just really cool

  • @In-Marty-We-Trust
    @In-Marty-We-Trust 8 років тому +4

    That kick!

  • @RickNethery
    @RickNethery 9 років тому +2

    Great Video, the tone of Your Voice changed a little after You fired it. I could tell You were in pain. But You soldiered on and did a great job. Respectfully Your new Subscriber

  • @atmmarko
    @atmmarko 8 років тому +48

    Get martini'd!

  • @ozminuteman
    @ozminuteman 9 років тому

    This rifle looks very similar too my BSA cadet rifle, same basic shape same action, but the difference is the BSA is .310 and when fired you can literally see the bullet flying through the air, nice rifle too shoot how ever.
    Great vid too.

  • @opstorm333
    @opstorm333 5 років тому +3

    6:44 *flashbacks to Rorke's Drift intensify

  • @newleaf1000
    @newleaf1000 8 років тому +1

    it's really good to see this chanel really start to draw in more of a crowd due to the release of battlefield 1. been watching this guy for a while now and to see the effort he puts in pay off is really quite something

  • @edwinjoseph322
    @edwinjoseph322 8 років тому +27

    it sounds as MEATY in the video as in the game

  • @prodieseltrucker
    @prodieseltrucker 7 років тому +1

    That was a really good gopro perspective, I must say.

  • @rejmons1
    @rejmons1 8 років тому +19

    Aaaatention !!!! Leeeeft face! To Africa march!!!! Right! Right!

  • @lionheartz1337
    @lionheartz1337 8 років тому +1

    I love how he first shot right handed then when he attached the gopro he shot in his normal left handed style. I bet the recoil was much easier to manage when shooting dominantly

    • @xXxKAMIKAZExXx
      @xXxKAMIKAZExXx 8 років тому

      LionHeartGames is he both left and right handed?

    • @lionheartz1337
      @lionheartz1337 8 років тому

      No hes left handed, he most likely shot right handed because of the camera angle and once he went to the gopro switched to his natural shooting stance