Profoto B1X vs Flashpoint Xplor 600 Pro (Godox AD600 Pro) vs Broncolor Siros 800 L
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- Опубліковано 18 бер 2018
- My entire kit of gear : kit.co/robhallphoto Godox AD600 Pro: bit.ly/2E6H7UL
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Hypersync/HSS Explained More:
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Flash Durations Explained More:
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Chinese color comparison : bit.ly/2GGWxS1
(I didn't like their power comparison because it was with reflectors). Color should be solid information though.
Profoto B1X Description:
The Profoto B1X off-camera flash is the successor of the award winning Profoto B1. The B1X is no stay-at-home flash; it’s for the adventurous photographer who likes to get out there on location in the real world. The portable B1X offers cordless, battery-powered freedom and flexibility. After all, there aren’t many wall sockets in the middle of a desert or half way up a mountain. B1X provides you with easy light-shaping wherever and whatever your location might be thanks to its dedicated system of lightweight OCF Light Shaping Tools that are designed for maximum mobility and ease of use.
It offers automatic TTL shooting that shines brightest in challenging lighting conditions. It offers HSS that enables you to control and shape light even in broad daylight. And it’s fast to set up so you’re free to explore and create stunning images. Let your imagination set the limits, not the length of your cables. The B1X gives you the power you need in all the right places.
Broncolor Siros 800 L Description:
The Siros L is broncolor's new battery-powered compact device, which provides ambitious professional photographers with the opportunity to enjoy the perfect lighting, be this in a mobile form in the studio or for external shots - offering up to 440 flashes at full power per battery charge, color constancy and both very fast and also long, flash durations. Easy to control with the bronControl App. Available in 400 and 800 Joules.
Siros L features broncolor HS for syncing at shutter speeds up to 1/8000s. broncolor HS requires an RFS2.2 transmitter, available for Canon, Nikon, and Sony cameras. Existing Siros owners should ensure that their lights the latest user-upgradable firmware has been loaded - available on broncolor's website.
Broncolor Siros L Features
Siros L is battery-powered: A single fully-charged lithium-ion battery stores enough energy for a Siros 400 L to flash more than 440 times and it does that at maximum power! A miracle? No, quality!
Siros L is fast: In only 0.03 seconds your Siros L is ready again. The flash duration can last less than 1/9000s (t0.1) or 1/19'000s (t0.5). Truly miraculous times.
Siros L is simple: Very simple operation using the single rotary controller. Alternatively you can use the advanced, intuitive app. Either way using Siros L is fun.
Siros L is powerful: The high light output, up to 800J, leaves no photographer standing in the dark - it can even challenge sunshine.
Siros L is LED: With its low power consumption, the 25 Watt LED module provides bright modeling light at a color temperature of 3200K. The light characteristics are absolutely comparable with the modeling light from a mains-operated Siros S.
Siros is Swiss: Do you appreciate quality? In Siros L you have Swiss precision and quality - inside and out. Be inspired!
Siros L is family: Proven meets innovation! The battery-powered Siros L, the Siros studio lights and Siros S are all available in both 400 and 800 Joule versions. Equipped with the broncolor bayonet fitting, they are part of the best light system in the world.
Godox AD600 Pro / Xplor 600 Pro TTL Description:
The compact 600ws marvel invites you to go beyond the straights of wire dependency and soar into the free and easy heights only R2 Radio tenders.
The controls are familiar. But the innovation is outstanding. News breaking features like: recycling in under a second at full power, super stable color output, real modeling light power from an LED, and integrated reflector while maintain the classic Bowens mount, and superior flashtube performance.
Updated video regarding flash duration portion
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Robert Hall Photography , I’m looking at the AD600pro after selling my Broncolor Siros L, too expensive to keep for the amount I’m shooting. And I can’t seem to find an answer to this question anywhere:
Will the Stable color mode work in combination with HSS?
I almost exclusively shoot HS(S) and whether it’s highly stable at sync speed is of little interest, however, at HSS I need it to be stable also, can’t see anywhere that anyone has tested color accuracy using HSS.
Thanks👍🏽
Cant find a link to your comparison chart.
Am i missing anything?
Please do post the link to the chart so we can have a look
Fantastic job on this video. If your other videos are like this one, I don't know why you don't have at least 100,000 subs. Keep up the great work.
By far the best reviewer of flash gear on UA-cam! Another great video man!
ayyy thanks man that means a lot.
Great review and an excellent explanation of sync modes . From what I've seen, you are the best flash reviewer on the internet. Thanks for your work.
Well thats amazing to hear, so glad you found it helpful!
Quiet, calm, and fact-based without hyperbole. I could watch this reviewing style about a comparison between stuffed pandas let alone high priced strobes. I don't know how you have the time to edit and shoot this professional review, but I hope you are being compensated adequately for the effort you put into it. Thanks!
Great informative, objective with an empirical data verifying results. Keep these vids. coming Robert. Well Done!
You are very thorough in your research. Simple and easy follow through. Thank you for creating this very valuable content. Now, I have a base to think about what to use the strobe for.
Seriously the most informative video I've ever seen in the flash photography space, well done!
:) thank you so much!
Love my Broncolor Siros 800 L it's been incredible :) Great work Robert on this.
I'll be doing another video on it with the Para 88. Shooting with it today actually!
You tried to sneak that in there but we saw it. 16:02. Thanks for the shoutout in Canada. We service, support and warranty our gear here in Canada. Keep up the good work!
Strobepro Studio Lighting haha you guys certainly are quick! I'll email you, thanks for watching.
Thanks for explaining it Robert. I have the AD600 & the B1X. Sometimes neither one is enough, especially shooting more than 4 people at higher F-Stops in the blazing sun.
Love your videos. Always honest, always technical.
Just trying to keep it applicable for anyone who may watch it. I really appreciate the comment.
When Robert says, "I've never had the need to shoot at 10fps but, you might"...YES! Thank you! I've been searching for that exact information and so thank you! Shooting sports action shots in studio for promotional material and the 10fps helps a ton!
FINALLY an objective comparison of these systems. Been looking into getting my first couple lights and I just wish I'd found this earlier! Everyone else seems to be biased or sponsored one way or another and trashing on the lights they don't own. Appreciate the real data and the (seemingly) relatively unbiased comparison.
Thanks man, if anything I'm a little biased to Godox because it's what I'm most familiar with, and what I personally choose because it satisfies my need for a speedlight and bigger strobes, all on one system. And I'm more geared to go the value route as well. But, at the end of the day numbers don't lie!
I still have Broncolor studio flash, but for anything HSS or daylight mix in my studio it is Godox. Your reviews show excitement for great products, yet are unbiased. Looking forward to having a Godox Pro, added to my AD600.
Neil Snape why do you use ad600pro when you have Broncolor??
Good review. I agree with all the points. Personally I'm a profoto user - shooting commercially means I must have the reliability that profoto offers. If a head fails, I can drive to the nearest studio and rent one for the day, if I drop a head (as i did a few months ago) I can get it serviced whereever I am in the world. Also, I hate the recessed tube as well because it does block the light output, but on the other hand I love it becuase it means it's that much harder to damage the flash tube. I have damaged several broncolour heads both in studio and on location and I think any other exposed light head will be subject to similar dangers. It's just one less thing to worry about on a busy set. Also, I aboslutely adore the profoto mount system. It's quick, secure, and zoomable. The issues I've had with broncolour is that it's unintuitive to use and can be slow to fit. And Paul c Buff had the old pincer mount things that sagged with heavy modifiers... Anywho, it's all about how it fits into one's individual workflow and in my case, about reliability in the commercial world. Nice review!
I try to make this exact point all the time and it just flies over people's heads. Professionals use Profoto. I'm on the Internet arguing with a kid and he's telling me Godox is better and cheaper. I've dropped Profoto heads before with nothing as little as a scratch. Popped off 140 more shots with it and collected my payday. Rarely do I ever smash a flash tube. If that Godox fell, that plastic thing is shattering the flash into pieces.
Great video Rob! Waiting for more from your channel. -Chris Bergstrom
Really a GREAT review.
Super helpful . . . thank you very much Robert.
Keep it up.
This video has helped me out big time. :) subscribed!
Fantastic review and information. Thanks for taking the time and actually measuring stuff instead of just repeating marketing.
Now that was an fantastic unbiased review Mr Robert Hall! I love the way you broke it down to the differences in how each stood in a variety of categories. I personally own a Broncolor Siros L 400w. And I LOVE this unit! The quality of light it produces is immaculate! And like yourself, I am not bias when it comes to a review or opinion. You were absolutely correct about that rear knob being exposed beyond the protective rear of the strobe. It’s something I noticed and was a little concerned of. One other noticeable thing is the finish/coating on the unit. It scratches easily. Other than that, it’s a fantastic unit. I would like to point out some other interesting notes about its features. Though the unit I own is the 400w version, it’s more of a fair comparison to the Profoto B1X or maybe even the Godox AD600 pro due to using the unit at its highest power setting when using HSS in Godox and Profoto’s case and HS in Broncolor’s. When using these features, the units that are using HSS cannot function at full power as the unit using HS is able to work at its highest power setting. Which sort of balances things out in that category. But as long as one is shooting at the sync speed of 1/250 and below, than the Profoto and Godox wins, hands down as far as output.
Oh, and one other thing with Broncolor. These units can be stopped down to 4 watts seconds (800w) and 2 watts seconds (400w). That’s close to a candle light. The range on this unit is amazing.
Also, when you talked about the overall spread of light with an exposed light tube vs a recessed light tube, it appears (from the still Photo) that Godox has the better overall spread of light, which in my eyes, made Godox the winner there.
The overall reason I went with broncolor is because of the way I see myself using the equipment now and in the future. The types of photography I am getting into is product photography and advertisement. Along with hair and makeup products. And as far as I’m concerned, all 3 units are winners depending on any photographers needs, budget, and likes.
Thanks again for that great review.
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Yeah i did also find the exterior doesn't take well to abuse. I'm wondering if the 400w version would meter exactly a stop below the 800w. I'm assuming so with how accurate Broncolor is. That being said, the 400w version would still be the most powerful light (in standard sync).
Robert Hall Photography Wow! I did read somewhere about the power difference between the 400w version and the 800w version, but I found it hard to believe that between 400w and 800w which is double the power, makes the 800w version only 1 stop better than the 400w version. Interesting stuff there. If you happen to get your hands on a Broncolor 400w version, I would love to see a video of you doing some tests with it.
And thanks for all the great work you put in your channel to spread knowledge and teachings so that others can perfect their craft.
Mr. Hudson, what is it you like about the Broncolor Siros L 400W?
It's been a few months since I have had them, so I have played around with them a bit and discovered all the cool stuff I was able to do with the features of it's patented Scoros technology. Along with color consistency, the power range is amazing. For the 400w strobes, the lowest power setting is 4ws which is phenomenal when one doesn't need too much light. That's almost similar to using candle light to illuminate one's subject. With many other mono lights, one's options are limited when shooting in a small place or studio where the mono lights cannot be moved farther back to cut down the amount of light. Then I played around with it's HyperSync technology for faster than shutter sync speed. Instead of pulsing the light, as one would have with High Speed Sync (HSS), Broncolor, like Paul C Buff, uses a single timed duration flash. The advantage here is that the strobe doesn't drop power. I was able to shoot at sync speeds above 1/250, and up to 1/8000 at the strobe's highest power setting. Another feature I like, and will start to use more is it's Flash Cut Off feature in which the unit will calculate the flash duration for a given output and allow one to fire off 50 flashes in a minute. Someday, I would like to do some action shoots with dancers, skateboarders, cyclists, etc.
really appreciate your quality - both in information and production. keep it up!
I went with the Profotos mostly because its the system I already have.
also, there is a Fuji version of the Profoto sync
Drat. Didn't see their expansion menu with the new Fuji / Olympus option on their website. My bad!
This is how gear review/comparisons should be - quiet, fact based and without bullshit talk. Thank you!
Phantastic comparison and very helpful. Thank you very much for your effort.
I'm glad it helped, you're welcome!
Extremely helpful comparison.
Excellent video. My equipment is Broncolor to include Pulso A4's, Siros 800 L and Sekponic L-858-U. All my light modifiers are Broncolor. Thanks again for an excellent video.
the catch light in his eye ! Good job with video lighting !!!!
Hi Rob, Wonderful review, It was really informative for me! Thanks for your valuable time! God bless you!
Excellent, detailed review. Thanks!
Just what I needed. Super informative, thanks!
Glad it helped you out! Thanks for watching.
As a Pentax shooter Godox is the only one of these companies that cares about me. I am glad they make great products at reasonable prices. Thanks for the great video!
Gotta say man.. I freaking love your review videos! All informative without any fat!
Cheers! I pride myself on skipping the lame jokes, merchandising, and general excess because I'm not a fan of watching it either. So happy to hear when the approach resonates with others!
Absolutely, I highly doubt that im the only one who really appreciates that! KEEP UP THE AWESOME VIDEOS!
Great comparison video, Robert. I’m going to stick with my b1x because of all the profoto light modifiers I already own. But must admit that the AD600pro is very tempting due to it’s lower cost, and the less expensive ecosystem of light modifiers
No reason not to stick with the gear you alright got, especially modifiers!
Great synopsis. Glad to confirm my purchase of two AD600s was a great idea. Thanks!
Hey Marlin, have you had any issues with the battery? I am thinking of investing and read reviews, people were bashing on the battery issue.
@@pakistanicribs Hi, I've had no problems with the batteries. I have read about them becoming bricked when running them to 0% so I try to avoid this. Although, I have accidentaly run them to zero before with no issues but I wouldn't make a habit of it. All in all for the price I would highly recommend buying the godox heads. Paying Profoto prices or Broncolor doesn't make sense unless you can bill them or if you can make the big bucks. For a smaller footprint or smaller budget shoot the godox have been amazing. Just as comparable to using a B1x which I also use all the time.
@@pakistanicribs Hi Sherez, no I have not had any issues with the batteries. What issues were you thinking of?
@@marlinolynyk2167 Hi Martin, I saw a lot of reviews about how the battery was malfunctioning and dying on people during shoots. Had a lot of problems with charging on shoot etc.
People had to spend on replacement batteries and still had the same issue
Excellent review. The best I have seen. Thanks.
Happy to help! Thanks for the comment!
Great video and I completely agree. I was deciding between godox and Profoto and went godox/Flashpoint because I could afford to have a backup onsite and ready. 2 is 1 and 1 is none method of thinking when it comes to gear.
That's true, service is less of an issue when it's 1/2 the price lol.
I so agree with this. It's why I have backup controllers. Further, I can use an AD600 as a backup for twinned AD200's or even a single. It's why I pack an AD600 just in case. Further, twinned AD200's could be used as a backup for an AD600. I have two of everything and am considering even 3 just in case.
REALLY nice job breaking down these three strobes. I appreciated the advice of buy one while considering where your photography is headed. That definitely helps me with my choice. Did you experience any thermal issues with the Godox while shooting with it?
Exceptional review, very helpful.
This was an amazing review!!
Robert, thank you VERY much for the analysis. It really helps. I have not invested in a strobe system yet.
If you have time or already have, I would love to know how you evaluate the Phottix products, the Indra 500 and the Indra 360. I recently decided on their Oden II transmitter and receivers to trigger my Nikon speedlights. Thanks.
Robert is my "Tony Northrop" for strobes and mods. Very informative.
Haha thanks Danny I'm glad you find me that reliable. I won't weigh in on Raw vs. Jpeg XD
Now the question is... is there a Chelsea around??? ;)
I appreciate you. I'm partnering up with someone who owns a studio, and I have to make a gear list of what we need for the studio. I was overwhelmed cause I've only used a dutch brand for studio lights before. This video helped me figure out what to look for. Thank you!
so glad it helped!
thank you for the video, awesome as always!
Super helpful. Thanks for the deep dive. Any plans for a video along these lines on the B2 vs ELB500 vs something else?
ELB500 coverage in the future! As soon as they release it for Sony. I'll try to get a B2 or other comparable systems to contrast with it.
For fast formals at weddings the godox system wins me over, even though I kinda regret pulling the trigger on the ad360ii knowing the AD200 was coming, now I want a pair of AD600PRO and AD200 and I'm all set for the next couple of years.
Hey I just got some good use with my AD360ii...after my 2 ad200's got destroyed
Robert Hall Photography what kind of torture test are you doing with these poor AD200
I think it's whatever works for you and your budget. I like the Godox system to use with speedlights and AD200 but the AD600 when needing the large output. The total system cost of the Godox can be had for under $1500 (AD600, AD200, trigger and 860). They can all communicate well together for larger shots. For strictly studio, I like the DB800; the modelling light (75W) can really act as a continuous light and really don't need HSS in a studio.
I have yet to need more light than the AD600 but for the times I "made it work", looking back, I would have been better off with a second light coming at a different direction.
Awesome videos! Very informative and know I know what to buy. Thank you so much. Don’t know why these haters always have to down vote anything
Excellent job! Very thorough!
Thanks so much!
No longer trash the back end of AD200 or equivalent other makes with a beer can coozie over the rear 1 1/2 inches on. It is a fairly tight fit and slips only a bit on the flash when dropped from 6 feet attached to a lightstand three times onto a hardwood floor. I tested it.
Thanks for the comparison man! I have the flashpoint zoom TTL LiOn speedlight and my Evolv 200 broke and the wind took it but I just purchased a replacement. I think for the money it works just fine until I can get into commercial work or higher paying jobs and can justify buying the Pro 600.
Just happened to me too, 2x because i had them on the AD-B2
Thanks for all your hard work! 😊
You're very welcome, thanks for watching
Great video man! i recently bought the Profoto B1X :)
Thanks, how are you liking it? I’ve heard they’ve done a firmware update directed at the HSS.
i watched this video like 3-4 days ago and then over nighted it from b&h lol - i just got it today & all i've done so far is update the firmware haha - i will definitely leave a comment when i've tested everything out this weekend; thank you again for the video!
Hi Robert! You do a great job on your reviews, but one review I have not seen is Godox ad600pro vs Godox ad600 max. power output metered comparison with a light modifier such as a beauty dish, umbrella, softbox, or some other modifier. Could you do this or do you have results with a link so we can view? Much appreciated and thanks!
I went with Godox(Technically I went with Flashpoint) because I shoot with Fuji cameras and they had the best ecosystem available. From speedlights to my recently acquired Flashpoint Studio300 monolight, one remote gives full control of them all. Power settings, TTL(though I never use it) and HSS. I can even control them from a Flashpoint Zoom-Mini(or any other Godox/Flashpoint) speedlight. The only reason I never bought the original AD600 was that my speedlights handled any "on location" work well enough. As I said in your first review of the AD600Pro, I'm now just waiting for an extension head to become available and will likely pick one up then...and maybe a 200 or two.
Jimmy Hill not really, the have the best ecosystem if you go down , the Goddox. Packs , for example , are very bad. They don’t have snitching good up to 1600ws etc.of course if you are not going to a shoot with a bunch of assistants...
Let me clear up my original post. Godox has the best ecosystem for MY uses, but everyones uses will vary. I primarily shoot headshots in my home studio or on location in clients offices. The Godox ecosystem allows me to use one remote to fully control my speedlights and my monolight. There aren't any other systems out there which allow that, AND are fully compatible with Fuji TTL/HSS, that I am aware of.
When you say "They don’t have snitching good up to 1600ws", I assume you meant "something" up to 1600ws. For my WORK, I've never even needed full power from my 300ws monolight. I bought it for the faster recycling times(compared to my speedlights), and the 600Pro would just be a portable alternative or for those rare times I'm outdoors and MIGHT want a little more power. That said, Flashpoint does sell a 1200ws studio strobe(Rapid 1200 HSS R2) which works with the Godox remotes for those looking for more power. I'm not trying to overpower the sun or light up an event space.
Thanks Robert. Saved me from dragging it out of storage and doing a test setup. I may be inclined to look into a continuous light by Aputure, the Aputure LS C300D LED Light (V-Mount)? I'm not sure if you did a review on these lights any thoughts?
Hi Robert. Really helpful videos regarding the AD600 Pro. Thank you very much. I had a question regarding the umbrella mount on the AD600 Pro. I often like to use a large 7' umbrella. Will the new screwless umbrella mount support an umbrella that size? I'm a a bit skeptical. Cheers, Robert. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. - Chris
Great video! Very informative and helpful! Nice sense of humor too! I'm now a subscriber! :_)
Really looking to invest in a portable strobe,, and I have only had experience with the #Profoto series lights ,, I have rented and used almost all their lights fom the D1 B1 & the B2 , and they all are so easy to use but damn the prices are just so HIGH so I am glad I am using your video to better familiarizing me in other choices like the AD600 Pro .. Thanks so much
Great Video! Thanks for the info.
Killer review! Thank you!
Much appreciated Daniel, thanks for watching!
awesome video! thanks for all the info!
Thanks I'm happy to help!
Super cool review! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
I started with the Godox brand and I think I'm going to stay with Godox. I was tempted to go with Profoto but Profoto doesn't seem to offer that much more than what you could get with the Godox. I have Godox AD 200pro, 400 pro, and 600 pro. The build quality might not be up to Profoto's standards but it's solid.
I have to disagree with you when you said you would prefer the Godox ad 600 pro screen on the back. I actually dropped my ad 600 pro and it fell on its back. It hit the concrete pretty hard. And the ad 600 pro was still working without any problems. But, the battery itself was broken afterwards. A cheaper replacement than trying to fix the 600 pro. So I'm glad that the screen wasn't on the back or else I would've lost the screen.
And with the screen on the side it gives Godox an advantage since the ad 400 and 600 can have an ac adapter attached to the back for when I'm using them in a studio. Profoto doesn't seem to have this feature which I love so much for studio work. And I already bought a replacement bulb for both the ad 400 and 600 just in case I break the bulb. Easy bulb replacement.
And with Godox releasing the ad 300 pro and ad 100, a photographer has so many choices for strobes. Especially the smaller strobes best for tight spaces like the ad 200 and the new ad 100.
Great approach, thanks.
Robert - Great job on this video. You covered a lot of material and decision factors. Any thoughts about flash/trigger consistency with the power controllers in both standard and HSS modes? Does one have more dropped frames versus another due the flash not firing? Or are all 3 so consistent that this isn't an issue? Thanks for helping everyone out with all your info.
I think all 3 are consistent so long as you are aware that with Godox HSS has more potential to put your flash into heat protection mode. One way Godox reduced cost is by using a "counter" for heat protection rather than actually measuring heat. The Pro has greatly improved in this regard but i know many people struggled with this before. The Siros and Profoto are extremely consistent and I never experienced an issue (though I've used them a lot less).
Thanks for the follow up and warning about the internal counter. Nice to know you didn't notice dropped frames. 100 at full power seems reasonable for the Pro with outdoor location work if that number is accurate.
Thanks !!
WOW !!! Great job 🙏🏽
Can you compare the Godox ad400 pro with the ORLIT RoveLight RT 400? Great video, Godox has come very far. Great video!!!
Nice! Detailed video! Thanks!
Thank you
Thanks Robert. Great analysis on pro and semi-pro lighting systems.
The cost factor is huge between these lights and if that’s a roadblock then the Godox system is perfect.
With that being said you may be saving money up front but you could end up spending more should your light fail. Godox treats these strobes as disposable lights, if anything goes wrong you throw it away and buy a new one (sound like Youngnuo?). Service is simply not a option even when buying from Adorama. Adorama will replace the light should anything happen to it within the warrantee period but after that time you will need to replace the light.
I personally have had two AD600’s get knocked over (long story and in the end it was poor planning on my part) and Adorama quickly replaced both units. When calling in I did ask what the repair charge would be if it was out of the warrantee period and was told they do not repair them.
When buying any photography gear there are disposable items like umbrellas and gaffer tape but we are talking about a strobe that is close to $1000. Is that something that you are willing to simply toss in the trash and replace should anything go wrong?
I love my four AD600’s and three AD200’s but after seeing there is no repair service being offered I am starting to question my purchases.
I had a discussion the other day with someone how I am actually more interested in cheaper, "disposable" equipment rather than more robust gear that could potentially last decades.
Technology is moving so fast. HSS in monolights and hybrids is only a few years old. Its not long before the global shutter changes everything in digital photography. Done right it will render HSS useless as flash will be able to sync with any shutter speed without issue.
I don't want to be stuck with lights that I paid an arm and a leg for that cannot incorporate technologies of the future. I would much rather pay less now and happily ditch it in the semi-near future when taking advantage of new technologies require new lighting equipment.
Robert Hall Photography I am not really using these lights for HSS but you are on point. I would imagine at some point soon syncing your cameras to the lights will no longer be an issue. The main reason I moved to the Godox system was the price, built in power and triggering system as well as the fact I was under the impression that Adorama would service the light (I purchased the Flashpoint light). I just want to make sure people understand that what they are spending money on and what type of service they should expect should anything go wrong.
Thank you so much for the information that you put out there. It helped me decide to make the move to the Flashpoint 600’s (4) and 200’s (3). I have been using them for the last 6 months and love them so far.
I'm sure we'll continue to see lots of changes in the near future.
I'm so thankful to hear my content has helped you find a happy place with your lighting gear!
This discussion is 2y old, but it's still prominent on this video… Hint… GET AN EXTENSION HEAD. No one should be putting a 600 Pro at the top of a stand or on the end of a boom. Period. At least losing an extension head would be $109 lost as opposed to $900. I got a Black Friday bundle with the extension head, and from the moment I rigged up this massive lighting unit, I knew 100% the body was never going on top of a stand or modifier end of a boom arm. Period. I do use it as a counterweight indoors but plan to put a stop to even that. Point being, either employ an assistant or get an extension head.
Thanks for the info, it was greatly informative. Currently I'm staying with my Flashpoint ecosystem and MagMod stuff. I really like my AD200's and AD600. Personally I think I get great light without having to pay through the nose for the equipment.
things are always cheaper from a country with slave labor and IP violations
I'll have two AD200s and an adapter, thank you. But, yet again, a great review.
That's my go-to setup as well. AD-B2 is my favorite piece of kit!
BTW, is it possible to fit the AD600 pro's new reflector to the AD-B2, and then insert an umbrella shaft in the AD-B2's hole ?
Great review!
Detailed video! Thanks!
The bron remotes hotshoe is very useful to attach pocket wizards or other triggers to.
Great and useful comparison- thank you so much. I had one question, why specifically do you explain that they are for “different types of photographers, and what would those differences be? I know high end photographers and studios that use each of them, due to their respective advantages.
I've never met anyone considering both Godox speedlights and a Broncolor Scoros. Most using the Godox lineup aren't even aware of the Scoros unit. Sure, there are always unique cases out there, i'm just speaking of the majority.
This was a great review! I know the video is 8 months old but I had a question on one thing that wasn't touched on. I know the original B1 did not support battery charging during use. Does the B1x or Siros 800L have an AC adaptor or the ability to charge during use if you want to multi-purpose the lights for studio and on the move shooting? I fond through Google the AD600 has an AC adapter pack so that adds in multi-purpose to that light but is it possible to use either of the other two in a charge-through setup?
Thank you Robert!
you're welcome Alexander
Could you tell me about the different types of AD 600 available? and this was a very nice video , Thanks
You might also add an ODS (OverDrive Sync) by Phottix. Same thing as HS in Pocket Wizzards, but delay is aplicable directly on Odin, without the need of using PC and software.
Same goes for Godox. Any trigger system with "HS" is capable on any flash, because it just changes the timing, not the function of the flash. Oddly enough Godox implemented this function on the X1 trigger, but not on the X-Pro. I just stuck with the native options.
Great analyses !!!!
I'm sure the service life of the Profoto and Broncolor will be way, way longer then the Godox. I do own a B1 kit and have no problems with it. I also own a Orlit from Adorama and its already been replaced after 5 months on the job under warranty.
Ok, I watched the whole film. Very nicely done comparison. Very well thought out methodology. Thank you. I also saw somewhere below someone said that you are the only one with whom Godox is still communicating in terms of marketing to the western world :D. Good job then :). And in that regard, I would have a suggestion to pass to Godox in terms of their trigger development. I think it would be nice to add another 5 buttons on the right side of XPro and use it as a preset buttons that allow to remember power, zoom, mode, channel and group mode (5 or 16). And in fact any changeable setting that can be made on XPro. This would be very helpful for event photographers that often times have to work in few different "zones of light", for example - hotel lounge, event promo wall, and event hall.
Definitely a great idea Jakub. I've told them directly that I think they need a trigger that has bluetooth without an A1. That way you could use the app (which they still need to design for Android) as a memory recall for quickly changing setups between different groups.
This is also a great idea, but I would also like to have an option of having this functionality in a standalone device (Presets I mean). This way changing zones would be as easy as one click, without the hassle of using phone and remembering to charge it before gig (but this is actually a must-do behaviour these days I think ;) ).
Great video , the profoto looked bad. I find ridiculous that the high end machines do not report power. You can use the app in the Broncolor case, if you are in s studio that is great. The other part of ridiculous is Broncolor not having TTL. One can live without it, but it costs 2k+ dollars. Again excellent review. I will read the numbers
as the owner of 3 original B1s, I concur. It's totally ridiculous to have to look on the back of the unit.
Serious work done here.
I definitely slept in today!
Robert Hall Photography well deserved
Super helpful, thank you.
Great job Robert!
thanks Travis
For sure. You really did an amazing job (best I have seen yet), and answered all of my questions about how the B1X would compare to the Godox (something I have been watching from a distance). As I am sure you know, I am in bed with Elinchrom and they are great too.. but, the wireless heads are very interesting to me and one day will need to test one out! Thanks again so much!
I'm excited to check out the new ELB 500 soon. Seems like a really powerful system as well.
Yeah for sure! Just like you said.. it comes down to what is best for you as the photographer. Funny enough, I cant seem to pin point what that is for me LOL. I did a full write up / video here www.travisharris.com/blog/elinchrom-elb-500-ttl-review/, and I do think it's great for anyone who wants TTL, but there are some down sides too.. would LOVE to have you also get the pack, and do a video to see what you feel as well!
Now I have 2 ad600 and 2 Ad600 pro I am very happy with new godox pro version but the previous models are also very good and use them along with pro
how do you find the power output of the ad600pro compared to the ad600? any noticeable difference?
Joe Hudson there is almost no difference if you use the same softbox and TTL Ad 600 is producing slightly more bluish light comparing to ad 600 pro. I have tested both ad 600 and 600 pro with profoto 90 cm octabox
I’m trying to decide over the Godox or Hensels when they come out with a battery powered system.
Great comparison video!
Thanks Brandon!
Thanks. Your work is great.
Thank you!
Very informative. As an amateur photographer it has to be Godox as value for money is my primary consideration.
All that matters is it works great for you.
great job! my problem with GODOX is service. I purchased the AD600 pro from Adorama since they warranty the Flaspoint brand. I can never get a respond from Godox on service which i need for a AD360 and a 685. (display issues)
Contact Ed at Cheetahstand, he does repairs on most, if not all of the Godox line. Had my AD200 repaired by him great service!
i second cheetahstand for U.S. based repairs
Any known similar services for Europe :-/ ?
@@Freakseth same question - I'm going to buy from essential photograhy in the UK.
@@markshirley01 unfortunately still couldnt figure anything out yet. Please let me know if you find something :-)
I have two of these AD600 Pro and noticed that when I trigger them they make a strange sound, like a spring vibrating, just after the beep, it does it with both Units, so would not think its a fault, Units both seem to perform OK, but I have used quadra kits and Broncolor Siros none of these make the strange sound, would you have any idea what it is.
Ought to revisit this with the Godox/FP Nano trigger.
robert, there is one thing, as far as I am aware (marketing and statements in videos) Broncolor is NOT meant to do a lot of hss, for this they rig a different system, you "patch" multiple Packs together, ie like a wireless A/B group in speedlight terms; but in their case the battery pack, you 'link' them, and number them, so like a complex firework show, each fires in a sequential manner, THAT is the fast duration, max duration of each unit, 4 firing in sequence, so the theory is you fire one, meanwhile the first re-charges it's capacitor bank, so you have no mis-fire, or blank shot, as the charging is done while another is discharging it's assigned burst of light.
Robert, what specific baby pin should I get if I used the AD600pro on a boom arm? thanks.
T.1 duration seems to heavily dependent on actual power. If you compare by t.1 according to the watts, they line up much closer.
Hi Robert, I have a godox ad600 and use it with a neewer soft box and I get really nice true colours. I just bought a Elinchrome silver umbrella and the colours are way off. Even when I mess around with the white balance it just looks really displeasing. Could this be because different brands modifiers are made specifically for their lights and perhaps elinchrome lights are much different to godox? Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Just thank you 🙏