Destiny Debates TikTok Feminist, FINALLY Helps Her Understand...
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- DEBATE: Destiny debates TikTok feminist Farha round 2...
Farha
/ farhakhalidi
/ @farhakhalidi1999
Date: 18 Apr, 2023
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Jordan Peterson Triggers Intense IRL Debate w/ Feminist TikToker Farha Khalidi
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this is why you cant have an honist converstation , women have soft power and that no one is willing to admit that (not women and not simps)
@@overpope3510 his whole point is that women don’t say “no”, they actually say “ unmm i feel like i don’t know if i’m ready to go further right now “
- which leaves room for a guy to try and interpret
nose is nose
@@overpope3510 I hooked up with a women 13yrs after being told no from her when we slept in the same bed one night. 13 yrs later she asked me why I was not more persistent with her previously and I told her about the no means no thing and she laughed at me as if I was a simp.
How much did you get paid to have this debate Destiny, this is hard and boring to watch. She doesn't want to rebute, it's obvious what she is trying to do on your platform
Dialogue in a nutshell
1) Farha (lady): No means no. Men should take no as the absolute answer.
2) Destiny: Okay, but there are ladies who play hard to get, and lie about the "no"s when they actually mean yes. Men have to play psychic about women's ambiguity.
3) Farha (lady): But no means no.
4) Destiny: Yes okay - no means no. But the onus should also be on women to be honest with their "no"s. That way the confusion can be cleared out.
5) Farha (lady): But why can't guys just take no for an answer?
6) Destiny: Because
Unfortunately super accurate.
But then shouldn’t the question be from destiny “do u believe women mean no when they say no 100% of the time “?
I don’t see “no means no” being a bad thing to push though. Because it also implies the solution from the female end, when a woman says “no” to a guy she wants to try harder and he says “okay” and pursues a different woman… they’ll learn to be more forward and truthful with their statements.
The loops
@@Piglover1221 well no, because the answer is obvious and I think she knows. Just doesnt want the onice to be on women, feels victim blamey (to her/some women, I dont agree with this lmao)
I dunno how you could really argue against Destiny here:
Men: Don't push when women asserts a boundary. Respect what they say.
Women: Set clearer boundaries. Don't say one thing and mean a different thing.
Seventeenth wave feminists: challenge accepted. Women are queens that can do no wrong, remember?
you're right in theory, the issue is the overlap or lack thereof, guys might not consider an action as 'pushing a boundary' when the women certainly do and women might consider a response to be 100% clear when for men it is anything but clear. In the end both parties think they were doing the correct thing but couldn't be further from reality.
I disagree with him here on the ambiguity point😂
My issue with it is that there’s more than just the word “no” that should be interpreted to establish consent and ambiguity is an inherent part of human comunication.
@@castleclimber it’s easy ask
If this is a hot take I don't want to live anymore. I don't want to live anymore.
After this TikTok university level debate, I agree with the recent bans of TikTok
Seconded
😂
She was banned off Tik Tok?
@@grantlauzon5237your smart!! I’m glad you can vote Gang
@@Revmped I don’t follow her.
Edit: In a video I saw recently Destiny didn’t know his TikTok guy quit because Destiny’s content kept being removed or something.
There has to be some ulterior motive here. There is no way she is not understanding the conversation. I refuse to believe someone like this can exist
It wouldn’t be a discussion anymore so she has to be evasive
They are lying because they have a terrible idea that most people think is insane and she cant talk honestly or she will lose her idiot audience
She is not trying to understand you, she is trying to win the argument
this exactly
Myrronnnnn😂
I really don't get why people are saying this. This chick is not playing 3d chess. This chick probably can't even play checkers. You can literally see it in her face. She is just really damn stupid.
Sure but that's part of what a sincere debate is: leaving no stones unturned. There is the fear of dudes stretching the envelope of plausible deniability as far as it will go and that has dire consequences. Again casual sex can have a huge cost for women and unborn children... This issue has to be explored as deeply as possible to avoid casualties.
That's like destiny's whole thing
I'm gonna say it. R**e is bad. Go ahead and start the applause
👏👏👏👏👏👏
L take
*claps*
Not only is it bad it’s corny af.
What a dogshit take dude
This is agonizing. This convo doesn’t have to be this hard.
It was so painful, Destiny was explaining such a simple concept and it was like a 747 flying over the head.
It doesn't need to happen at all. These Tik Tok girls are gonna grow up, nobody will date them because nobody is gonna deal with this kind of snowflaky behaviour for more than 1 day, and all of a sudden everything will start working just fine to them. Just wait.
@@djtarquin I have experienced that several times in my life while debating with feminists. Something just shut downs in their brains while having debates and they even stop seeing what your point or argument is no matter how many times you clarify position.
@@djtarquin nah he’s was being hyper aware of her audience. If he just did what he ended up doing we wouldn’t have to suffer through the first 5 minutes
It does when the person doesn't know the very basics of linguistics.
I think if people are actually listening to her, she's actively making things worse. It physically hurts.
YES.
lol lmao I mean maybe, but just from the start hearing this absurd "dog fucking" example, it's hilarious that people reach this conclusion
Yep let’s listen to a virgin talk about rape culture and hookups😂😂😂😂😂 this girl is so hard to listen to and not get mad at how dumb she is about the topic
Fr lost me when she tried to weasel around destiny asking about someone tryna fuck your dog. So hard to reason with people like this.
I don't think she's making things worse tbh, mainly because she doesn't seem to have any actual prescriptions. She just says a lot of nothing.
She’s unbearable. The first 7 minutes had me literally pulling my hair out. If you used a word, you meant something. You can’t ask what causes rape and then say you don’t have a definition for rape. It make the whole guestbook nonsensical
Literally?
Related topic: When a woman rejects a guy by saying "I'm just not ready for a relationship right now", they shouldn't be surprised when he asks them out in the future. In their mind, they were letting him down easy. In his mind, he may take them at their word that they aren't ready for a relationship now which means they might be ready in the future.
Women, you aren't letting him down easy. He would to be far less hurt if you just said something like "I'm flattered but I just don't see you that way." Because at some point (probably two weeks later) he'll see you in a relationship and be far more hurt because he waiting thinking he still had a chance not knowing you lied to him.
Men: If she says "I'm not ready for a relationship right now", most of the time, she means she doesn't want a relationship with *you*
Now, to be fair, part of the reason women use these roundabout phrases is because some guys don't know how to act and freak out when they get outright rejected. Men need to do a better job of handling rejection so women feel more comfortable saying what they actually mean.
She lost me from the very beginning when she couldn't even define her own question 🤦🏽♀️
@Blubird Hill from prior content. This seems to be her thing unfortunately. Glad destiny keeps the vods instead being clipchimped now. But it's pretty insane watching her try to find a gotcha every moment. Avoiding the definition of her own question. Ignoring 90% of the context of what they are talking about.
@@blubirdhill2608 Honestly, I thought they were doing a bit but they passed the mic back and fourth for close to 45m
So annoying
I’m convinced Farah is a 2015 chat bot that doesn’t comprehend all the unsaid assumptions that go into humans communicating. She interprets all words like a literal script or something.
She's autistic, let her be.
It’s because she has poo brain.
these days they call that one assburgers
GenZ communication
ADD type communication between people who are chronically online and don’t talk to real people
this conversation is so meta. here is a conversation of a guy being honest and direct, telling a woman she needs to be more honest and direct with men, and not fear the social consequence, and instead of being honest and direct she is acting as if she doesn't get it, out of fear of the social consequence from the audience. this is simply priceless.
They play that "oh I didn't know" game to avoid saying she's wrong. Avoiding accountability. 🤣
If a woman does NOT want to do anything, she has zero problems saying NO. she can say all those other words so a simple no isn't hard. Some chicks love stringing a guy along bc it gives them value and power per se 🙄
"I'm making him horny like that"
So they enjoy leaving a guy like that they giggle about it in their little groups the next day. The "u go gurrrllll" pats on the back. Then they wonder why guys ignore them and end up being happier with an actual woman 😆
They get use to playing games. They have zero clue what kind of person they're gonna come across while playing around. Sometimes they don't care if u say no. And yes that'd be really bad. That's why u don't goto a person's house if u don't see then "like that".
Everyone knows what's up when u goto a person's house 🙄 they just like the IDEA of a person wanting them is all.
underrated comment.
I've lost like 4ish opportunities because of a soft "no" just to give the benefit of the doubt, and found out later they were actually interested and was disappointed I didn't pursue. If the tiktok feminist can't see how this is something super normal that happens often in normal interactions between men and women, she's either inexperienced or blindly pushing an agenda.
She’s inexperienced. She’s 19 and never had sex so 😅
A lot of my friends have hooked up with women that have had “no hookups” in their bio. It’s pretty common. So I think it’s on both sides as destiny points out to have the proper communication with one another.
Welldone for not risking it. It's better to miss out on sex than be accused of rape
Sex with Steven should involve 4 people's consent.
Stevens, the girls, Melinas, and his audience.
For his own safety.
Don't forget mr.girl😂
@@stephainedrew6477 He just wants to watch. No consent needed.
The worst thing is that we all know it's true 😂 we have to protect our autistic coomer from evil
@@QWERTY-du4hcand shaylien will draw it 😂
And Nathan's.
She is actually over 9000 levels of bad faith, changing every single question and not answering a single one.
The worst part was where she flipped the conversation for being about ambiguity ahead of dates to being about saying 'no' in the moment in an attempt to trap Destiny and then tried to make it look like Destiny was the one that brought that up. I have no idea how he has the patience to deal with that, I'd nope out of the conversation and tell her to leave my house if she showed that much bad faith.
I honestly can't tell if she's bad faith or if she's just genuinely having trouble putting together what Destiny is saying because her tiktok brain is programmed to only understand short bursts of information.
@@warpio prob both
Why the f do people assuem bad faith, she was trying her best to understand btu she failed.
@@baleriontheblackdread4491 agreed, and then people have to put the person down. Most people just aren't equiped to debate as well as destiny and can't clearly define their points. She's just failing to understand the concepts he is putting out.
This conversation is actually painful. As a man, you’re supposed to respect a woman’s boundaries even when they’re not being clear on what those boundaries are. Destiny’s point is simply that then women have to speak up clearly so that men can take those boundaries seriously and not as a mixed signal so that nobody gets hurt due to a miscommunication. This push & pull is something that is almost expected when courting someone. The man always has to push onto the next step but only if the woman allows it. Let’s try to make sex safer for both men & women. Things aren’t always black & white. There are also shades of gray and she just can’t possibly accept that as a possibility. It has to be all or nothing.
courting is wild
I see the misogyn... Sry I mean anti misogyny arc has started by once again bringing forth women of the highest caliber to debate with.
I genuinely believe to stop this stupid push and pull - ofcourse, women should also participate in being clear with their boundaries but men should also just straight up say they're not moving forward until the woman is sure.
Just have sex with men instead
@@MsChifran The issue that idiots, like Fahra and all the feminists, apparently aren't smart enough to realize is that the kind guys who would respect boundaries (check in with the girl etc.) even if they're super vague are not the kind of guys who would be constantly pushing those boundaries. The fuckboys and straight up criminals are going to be those guys that keep pushing and don't take no for an answer. At that point we need women to be more fkn assertive and clear with their boundaries, but it seems like feminists don't actually want to help women.
"Why can't no just mean no." Well... cuz the criminal or fuckboy just don't care and at that point the woman needs to fight back and be clear and not just let the fuckboy wear them down. Only difference between the fuckboy and the criminal is the fuckboy will back off if the woman is assertive enough up to violence, which is exactly what Destiny has been saying the whole time.
The fact that she thinks there's no difference between saying "I don't want to swim" and "I'm not feeling like swimming now. The water is too cold and I'm tired etc" shows that she's part of the problem because she thinks the latter is clear enough a message.
The latter is totally clear enough though, in what situation would you assume that person still wants to swim right now? Like if I hear someone say that, I'd think hey they might be up for swimming at some point, but not right now, I also think the person saying that they don't feel like swimming is being more honest, unless they wouldn't ever want to swim, period. Like genuinely how else would you interpret that besides a no?
@@Rexolf101 if someone said "no I dont want to swim right now the water is too cold" the other person might be inclined to say something like "oh, but my pool has a heater, let me go turn it on for you." In actuality person A just doesn't want to swim at all.
It would be better for the person who doesn't want to swim to just outright say it instead of leaving a possibility open by softening their "no" with a white lie. I beliee that's point Destiny was trying to make.
@@nodnoc well sure, if they give a fixable reason then maybe. But if you say "I don't think I'm ready to swim right now" there's not really any other meaning besides not wanting to swim today
@@Rexolf101 Analogies never work 100%. The best analogy is the real thing.
Sometimes, a girl really wants to have sex in that moment, but she has something else she doesn't want to happen...e.g. She isn't wearing the ideal underwear, doesn't think she smells as nice as she would prefer in that moment, the grass doen there isn't cut, or something.
So she doesnt want to say no, because she wants to say yes, but she also doesn't want to tell you her grass isn't cut or she doesn't think she currently smell nice, and she doesn't want to portray herself in a bad or embassaring light by saying my vagina is unwashed or unshaved.
So instead you get a bunch of vague excuses that don't make sense, you provide solutions to her excuses, that end up putting her in a corner...but she doesn't want to say no, or say why the current moment is not ideal.
The other reason is, women make decisions based on how they feel in the moment. So at the start of when a guy tries his luck, many times the guy will know he's gonna get a no even without asking, but he also knows that if he changes how she feels (turns her on), the decisions she'll make has the potential to change accordingly(the guy knows this from experience).
Which is how guys get into a situation where they try to get to first base, second base, etc. All to get her in the mood enough where the no might become a yes. Or the guy talks dirty to get her in the mood, or whatever.
It's better to not play that game with someone you don't already know, intimately.
In the past, I used to just immediately stop trying to get anything from the wishy washy ones the moment I realize she's wishy washy, and end that pursuit.
But, then you end up with the psychobitches. Because only the crazy ones are forward enough to not be wishy washy and more direct. The type that accuses you of things you didn't do, when things don't go her way and she gets psycho.
I think I know what you are trying to say but you missed the point somewhat or I think this analogy doesn't translate perfectly.. All three examples can actually mean the same thing that they absolutely do not want to swim. However, the question is, what if the person actually wants to swim but just wants the person in the pool to keep asking them because it makes them feel important etc. In other words, they want to swim but don't want to be forward about it. In this case, they may use a vaguer statement as it allows them to not look totally inconsistent when their true intentions are revealed later. I am not sure if any of the quotes in your example are appropriate, but I suppose "The water is too cold and I'm tired" statement could be used in this case as the person could claim that they suddenly got a burst of energy to save face.
Where Farah (and possibly even yourself to a degree) are confused is that Destiny is actually stating that all statements can absolutely mean No and thus all 3 statements can mean the same thing. However, Destiny is proposing that the statement should match the actual wishes of the person as best as possible. If they truly meant No, then all statements mean the same thing but stating "I don't want to swim" creates a better understanding of reality in a cultural sense (in other words, it is more educational). However, if they actually mean Yes or are at least open to a Yes, it is more ideal that they use language that lines up with those wishes. So ideally "sure, I would love to swim " but something like "I'll be in the pool in 10 minutes" is close enough to the reality.
I think Farah got completely stuck in Destiny's prescriptive statements. The problem here surfaces in the descriptive realities where some women may be hesitant to be forthright for fear of losing value in the sexual marketplace. There can be no fool proof prescription whilst that descriptive reality exists. Because then the guys who treats every No as actually meaning No would have reduced sexual opportunity (as compared to men who push the boundaries more).
he has so much potential for doing actual meaningful content, I hope he starts soon
Right? I stopped watching back in like January. I got so sick and tired of the drama bs.
Better get a copy of the full debate this time 💀
Part of me prefers the clipped up version. It's more fun than this mess.
Is this the unedited version of the video that got taken down? Or is this a separate convo? I didn’t finish the other one and it’s gone now
@@TheVideogamehideout different time going over the exact same conversation. This time destiny won’t allow himself to get chimp clipped
@@TheVideogamehideout the full vod is on kick. It’s pretty infuriating. It’s like she’s so socially inept that she has no understanding of what another person is saying.
@@conaldeugenepeterson2147honestly I think she has no real world dating experience (at least with men)
Destiny is like Dr. House except a female.
because he's an addict but instead of pills it's these crazy people/mostly women?
Died
It’s true, both are addicted to H
What's gonna happen if he says No to this? Will you pursue?
So more like Thirteen 😏
She argues just to argue, even though she is objectively wrong on everything
Take it easy there brother. She is clearly having communication problems, not arguing just to cause problems. And she's not, "objectively wrong" on anything I think.
No I think she genuinely isnt capable of processing the points and the layers beneath that are made. Not saying she is dumb, but she seems didactically challenged. I have noticed something like that with a lot of my younger co-workers, where I have to explain very obvious stuff to them. Especially stuff that is said "between the lines".
No idea where this comes from or what the reason is though.
@@jenispizz2556 You're right. She's clearly autistic on a non-functional level.
@@CrestOfArtorias Isn't capable of processing the points? Are you people out of your minds? We watch her figure it out in this discussion. She's clearly capable of solving the communication problem and she's clearly exceptional when it comes to evaluating abstract ideas.
@@jenispizz2556people are so used to stupid people on Destiny’s stream that they won’t recognize when someone smart comes on who disagrees with him
People need to stop saying she's bad faith and instead talk about her being a virgin talking about how sexual interactions work like an expert through the lens of trauma ridden feminists. She's the most unqualified you can be on the subject she surrounds herself in, stop treating her like a threat and start treating her like someone that doesn't deserve to talk.
When you ask a women if she's hungry and she says no then eats half your food because she's hungry. Obviously the no meant yes. This is similar to a lot of dating or sexual No's. Up until the point that the sex is imminent.
It is so painful watching her miss the point over and over.
i cringed
Dude, you are just very charitable to Destiny.
If you are charitable to her then it would make more sense.
@best djaf How so? She's mentally stuck in her own view and point. Destiny can explain to her why he feels a certain way about something she just said, and 1/2 of the time, she just repeats ad nauseum her original statement. She's operating from a place where she isn't listening or having a conversation. She's making clips.
She doesn't have real opinions, only opinions about his opinions that won't/can't ever be changed by a conversation.
@@TheBlackSpastic
Feminism & whatever she is saying a common knowledge we teach kids.
So I agree with Destiny, but what he says is not a mainstream theory/ideology.
Well, Feminism is a Cross Disciplinary Academic Theory.
What Destiny is saying are just some UA-camr spewing "MRA/INCEL" talking points.
*
Maybe one day, Destiny will start his own MRA/RedPill/INCEL education.
For now he is going against "science".
@@bestdjaf7499 what are you even talking about
She just cant let her guard down and have a conversation. Annoying to the point of disingenuous.
And remember , doesn’t matter what she finds out or hears she will always lurve Hassan .
Whether one likes him or not , such a fan girl statement , means she should get her foofin hands off his mic
And simply and purely a clout goblin in fluffy slippers
@@rooneyjagoboo what about hassan lmao?
@@Blarm she said something like ‘ whatever you say i will always like Hassan ‘
anyone who says such a thing about someone they didn’t birth is a nit wit -
i give zero fux - who he fux- i just don’t want to go thru the pain of listening to her stupidity .
- I remember lavs and his first stream. . . and it was obvious then if they hadn’t hooked up they would - but even then i could watch the stream without balking ✨
@@Blarm and yes Hassan is a clout goblin too - but his ownership of fluffy slippers is a mystery to me -that i’m happy being one ✨
Bless August for hearing this conversation AND having to censor it every 10 seconds and not going insane.
it's automated
It's always a treat when Destiny reaches his "Conservatives have a point" level of frustration.
Yeah, because that means there’s a healthy degree of sensibility happening.
@@squareff255 What do you think about gay marriage and abortion?
@@TheChocoboRacer gay marriage is fine, abortion for the most common reasons is not (that being that it's in their way of their debauchery). Third trimester abortions will almost always be recommended because the reasons for them are almost always life threatening
I apologize for interjecting into a comment for someone else, but i wanted to see what your take and the other guy's take will be
@@theonethatcan7780 I doubt he'll bite. Conservatives are touchy when it comes to abortion and gay rights, because admitting that you advocate for religious laws becoming federal law makes you an irrational hypocrite and instantly destroys your credibility.
@@TheChocoboRacer it's weird. They don't like the left's ideology, but they go about it the same way, just in the opposite direction. Like i had one person say that I'm an enemy of the Republican party when I commented on a, "vote red till the end" type of video, that we shouldn't vote based on Party affiliation.
Same thing happened in a leftist video
This was painful… I get the feeling she hasn’t ever been in a sexual situation.. what she suggests is advisable and the safest policy but she seems really naive about how actual interactions occur in reality, seems like lack of experience would explain her confusion
She hasn’t. She’s a virgin.
"even if a woman is verbally saying no, but in her mind is saying yes, and sex happens, that's still rape."
What? If her actions lead her to choosing sex, that's not rape.
God I just love and respect women so much. I can't wait to take an OnlyFans virgin advice on relationships.
Idk why but “OnlyFans virgin” is the funniest description of someone I’ve read in a while.
I LOVE WOMEN. Also reminder that Destiny denied having sex with Lav, Chaeiry, and constantly refuted that they had any SEXUAL relationship. Even though many in the community knew that was the reason they were constantly on the stream.
Desiny claims he likes "interesting people" but also has Farha on constantly. He will also lie about Farha, but notice their interactions. Do you think Farha has any insights? I will let you draw your own conclusions.
@@Littlewings1984 get off the computer and experience real life, you’re a little too invested rn
She's clearly trolling with that lol. No way she's a virgin on onlyfans
@@Littlewings1984 wow that's cringe, someone actually drank the Mr Redacted cool aid
I came off this genuinely thinking she actually has a huge problem with information retention. She is one of those people that need things to be worded in a very very narrow way that perfectly overlaps all her little mental hangups and then have it repeated several times before the information actually stays in her head. I wish I meant this as an insult.
I was convinced she was meming when he was trying to show her the lav clip before and had to restart it like 4 times
but now I’m no so sure
I’m pretty sure she just doesn’t want to get raked over coals for stepping a toe out of line but I just don’t understand how saying the most skeletal opinion gets you famous on TikTok
I mean, I know how, echochambers yaaaass but still
No I think she was deliberately misunderstanding destiny's point purely based on the fact she had lost the debate and didn't want to admit it. I know this because I've done this before back when I was a kid.
@@crimsonnl2349 I thought so too, i was originally just listening to audio while i worked, but even just the first 10min i was so pissed off I had to actively start watching. Smooth brain syndrom. An entire generation has been brainwashed by social media and literally just polished their brains smooth, like a marble. You can tell by her mannerisms, and tone of voice, and then facial expressions when she comes to realization and the information sticks, she genuinely does not understand. Thats how effective the entire feminist/TikTok campaign/culture is. Everytime they open their phones its -1 another IQ point lower.
No one makes Destiny question his own sanity more than Farha
Its a amazing content.
Wrong, that's bubble Brittany
Farah is understandable since it is common for any brain to malfunction when rape is mentioned.
@@thighg8744 kinda random but i just realized how hot brittany is. just felt the need to share this with the world, carry on
@@thighg8744 wrong thats BxBullet
I’ve had women multiple times tell me “ we aren’t having sex tonight” while we were not even engaging in anything towards sex and they brought it up randomly. Clearly it’s on their mind. Next thing you know they are in my bed jumping on top of me. Yet I was told no before I even asked or pursued.
she has people who listen to her? let alone agreeing with her? Im all for free speech and love how people are able to speak freely about their perspective on things but god damn this was hard to sit through
One way that women don’t assert boundaries is by not defining how they use words just like her in the beginning.
not just not defining but basically refusing to at some point and then tossing it over to tiny to do it for her/the discussion.
The Lack of critical thinking on Farha's side is unnerving.
1) She doesn't even attempt to clarify what "No" means to her.
2) A lack of trying to find common ground in the conversation to clear up the misunderstanding.
Destiny: is trying say to say is that a No when trying to have sex should mean: Setting a boundary that leaves ZERO room for interpretation aka (spelling out exactly whats appropriate during a night) That falls on the women typically because men are always the ones expected to pursue.
Now it falls on Men to respect this No and to not push that choice.
Farha: Thinks that no, can come in a lot of forms and that men need to at the first hint of a no need to stop pursuing sex altogether. That a "no i think I'm not ready right now" carries the same weight as a "No, we are no having sex tonight" (problem is what does "right now mean...." like 5 mins form now, an hour from now is going to be cool"
Problem: Women right now are ambiguous with the word no....and depending on how she says no... this can lead to actually not fucking or fucking. Leaving the responsibility on the man to figure out what she really means.
Solution: Women should be very clear with Enthusiastic Consent AND When saying no, saying EXACTLY what's ok and not ok for her at that moment.
Men should then take what women say at face value and don't trying and interpret what "no' means.
Assumption in the above logic: A man is always ready to fuck.
correct assumptions: in reverse situation, when a women pursue, men is more likely to be clear with his boundaries and said hard no ( example with men to men and fresh and fit)
Is she an NPC or a real life bot? It doesn't seem like she understands what a conversation is.
She's a woman....
@@coultphoto What is a woman?
@@coultphoto What kinda argument is that? Wish I had bullets for UA-cam comments man...
@@coultphoto NPC's come in all genders, it's 2023 after all. She struggled just to process base level conversational ability. I'm sure she's plenty smart outside of this interaction.
@@Mr.Septon It's not that "NPC's come in all genders" it's that women as biological creatures aren't really designed to (physically) defend any potentially "offensive" positions, so they just end up endlessly retreating to the most socially palatable take.
This is why having political conversations with women always feels like you're talking to a low IQ politician.
Bill Burr "No" means "No" explains the difference.
The problem is millions of different personalities and situations. And shoving them into one box.
But be adults about it. Bc Men can be idiots after sex. Now the women regrets having sex. Tells her friends. I told him "No".
Then it goes all bad for the guy.
So prior cultures figured this out and the expectation was a man and woman saved themselves until after marriage.
Now here are the "intelligent" reinventing the wheel. 😂😂😂😂
It's too preciously ironic.
I remember being intimate with this girl I was dating for the first time and while having sex I heard her whispering “no” “stop” 😳. I stopped immediately and then she asked why I stopped. I told her I heard her say “No Stop” and she laughed and said don’t stop. She did it again and I stopped and she got mad at me 🥴. She later said that’s her sex talk but that crap scared me away to do it again. I did allow her to give me top in the car when I dropped her off but that was it.
It might seem autistic as fuck but honestly in that situation, it's probably best to just create a safe word (if you wanna continue rather than just doing what you did, which is still option #1). Don't leave any room for bullshit
The sexual tension is almost sublimating at room temperature between these two women.
Did you just assume the glasses wearing person's gender?
@@pussnuts I mean, Destiny is a girls name is it not?
Fucking gross.
I bet they scissored like crazy after this debate
@Microsoft N Word just this one time, i want to know, how the communities overlap
Convo with a 19 year old giving dating advice is hilarious to me
19 yr old virgin giving advice on sexual relationships *
Wait she’s 19?
He's clearly f*cking her, that's the only reason she's even on his stream lol.
I mean this is a horrible take, a lot of 19 year olds have good dating advice, and advice on hookup culture etc. This one aint it though.
@@astralgod6448 it’s not that no 19 can give good advice on the topic, it’s that its not typical for most 19 to give good advice about the topic. Come on now use common sense.
She is being very dense. All he is saying is
Men: if a woman tell you no. Take it as a no
Women: when you say no, mean it. No is a red light. Dont make it a yellow light.
Another thing: It's quite common now for girls to give a straight and upfront yes when internally they feel no. I've met guys who are afraid of making any move at all because of this. Us women need to learn to understand our boundaries before putting ourselves in a position to exert them.
He never learns
He’s trying to clap cheeks, he doesn’t care
lmao he just wants to sleep with her
Women am I right fellas
*She
Guys just set the boundary. If a chick says no at all anytime that night, don't plan on having sex. I don't care if she tells you otherwise afterwards. Don't risk your future over 10 seconds of happiness. If she's ambiguous, just leave and don't play those head games. It isn't worth it.
The scenario Destiny describes were someone says “You can stay at my place, but we’re not having sex” has happened to me before.
When, we started getting all over each other in the cab on the way home and at her place, I said “you said we’re not having sex tonight, so we’re not, is that cool. We can tomorrow if you like?” - and basically at that point she said she wanted to and was happy to and we ended up having a nice relationship for a year or so. But I think in that scenario it’s way better to just be clear and as the man say you won’t because of what she has told you previously.
TBH speaking with my mates, I think this is something women will say occasionally, often to put the thought of coming back to their place in mind if you’ve had a nice date, but it is one of the more worrying situations to be in.
But always pays to be clear, it’s better to risk killing the mood briefly by saying because you said x we’re not doing x, than risking any of the much worse outcomes for both of you.
Lmao
"Do you want fries with that?"
"No"
"Aight no D for you tonight!"
@@davidhayter3408 This is the only correct way for men to handle those situations imo. Hold them to their word, but without being a dick about it. Sounds like you two had pretty good communication overall.
Lol 10 seconds
Best I can do is 5
The moving of the mic arm is hilarious
I’ve had this happen to me irl, still confuses the fk out of me. Was hanging with an ex, next thing I knew were lying on my bed and my arm is around her. Asked if she’s ok with me kissing her, she said a hesitant no. Later that night she texted me “I would have done it if you just went for it”. Fk me man lol
This is very common. Feminists like Khalidi want to pretend it isn't a thing (or maybe they genuinely believe it never happens because they don't date other women), but it absolutely happens.
@@huliohuliohamijo I think it's genuine ignorance, just a kind of a girl's club thing. Sexual negotiations like this aren't going to come up in conversation unless something bad actually happens in which case the girl probably isn't going to confess to any shortcoming on her part even if she was actually raped unless it went to court. Farha being a virgin just makes that all the worse cos she can't introspect, she can only take other women at their word.
I feel like when she said unwanted sexual intercourse, she was being quite clear. That's a very coherent definition that anyone could understand. I'm not sure why destiny was confused or why he was badgering her as if it weren't
Because of what she said earlier would have implied that putting your fingers in someone’s mouth is also under that umbrella and has weird has that might be to do to someone most people wouldn’t consider that rape.
it’s like when you’re trying to explain to someone that 65mph uphill is the same speed as 65mph downhill, and they just don’t get it
Almost painful to watch that she can’t understand
but steel is heavier than feathers
perfect way of explaining it hoooooly
@@99sins IDK dawg, 1,000lbs of feathers is pretty heavy.
She gets it, I get the feeling you don't have much experience in relationships yet.
Don't worry, you're going to experience plenty of this in person.
The seat belt analogy where Destiny literally tells her she is stupid should tell you enough about this talk .
Destiny should invite Lav for a debate again at this point, why not and add Pearl to the mix. Having multiple smart women all in one room would be very educational.
The fact you think those women are smart one can’t think for themselves clearly and the other never has a original thought repeating talking points she hers from men that she doesn’t properly research or understands
Is this sarcasm? Cuz Pearl dumb as rocks
Smart?
feminists not understanding women taking rsponsibiity for anything. what a strange and unusual sight.
The one mic is a serious power move, destiny can just yank the mic from her when he wants to talk
that's abuse
That's misogyny. Internalized misogyny to be specific I believe 🤔.
Well she started it 😂
Cold and callous for sure
Tru. One-guying is debate tactics 2022. The new meta is one-micing!
I understand why zoomers need subway surfers. They actually can not pay attention to anything that isn't their exact thought.
The point Destiny is making around the 23 minute mark is SO spot on, I've been in a few situations where I didn't make the move and found out later the person I was with wanted that more make the move approach, but fuck man that level of ambiguity is on a spectrum of decisions that can RUIN your life, it is 100% never worth the risk of taking the L on that kind of decision.
Hopefully if more men don't accept that kind of behavior the women playing games will have to change or end up alone.
Matter of fact I had a lady friend she CONSTANTLY would post and talk about how she's not going to hook up and all this anti-sex anti hook up stuff. We went out on a date, she invited me inside, asked me to sleep over... I'm still thinking like nah I'm not gonna hit that because she was SO adamant about it not happening. Woke up in the middle of the night to her pulling me on top of her. SOME women are confusing AF!!!
A: "What do you think is the major cause of X?"
B: "Define X to me so that I know we're on the same page before I give you an answer."
A: "No you define it."
????
How can she debate something she cant even explain or define?
She just wants to apply different definitions depending on what helps the current argument
Making someone listen to this conversation all the way through from beginning to end is my definition of rape.
It's always telling when you talk to someone about a complex subject and they refuse to bite any bullets. They're either mentally not mature enough to discuss the subject or they have an agenda.
Bruh she had to write out both of the statements that destiny is saying and it still flew right past her…. That’s crazy
They could have left the mic in the center so they don’t have to each grab it lol
A whole debate about f'ing a cat is wild 😂😂😂
I'm sorry but listening to conversations with farha is like listening to a 15 year old learn about sex, relationships, and basic human interaction.
Something something Destiny is a girl's name.
Haha good one man
I'm hoping over time we can move towards a simple "GN" being the most upvoted comment.
Gets me every time
Wait, isn't Farha a virgin... at least with men. Why is Destiny asking her about dating norms between men and women when she doesn't even play the field. It's like trying to explain a complicated sport to someone with no experience and no interest in playing, plus they just want to only recognize the written rules when it turns out most games are played with a complicated set of unwritten rules that both sides kind of understand are part of the full set of rules. Farha legit thinks you can have a passionate night with someone when you speak like Clay from 13 reasons why, aka super beta always affirming consent cuck. Farha thinks a guy will ask can I touch your leg and the women will say yes and be excited by it rather than get turned off by the 4th or 5th attempt to move to say foreplay or even sex. At some point the communication become unspoken and it is up to the party that no longer feels comfortable to verbally state stop. Otherwise all interactions are this contractual cold states the terms and conditions, sign here, ok my lawyer stamped it, so we can not proceed with all the things we just layed out in this contract.
Yes.
i mean content is content but really the discussion should stop as soon as we learn she’s a virgin
@@BlinJe I have a feeling she's not a virgin anymore.
I'm confused why a virgin with no sex and hook up experience is speaking so confidently about sex and hook up culture
22:40 - there’s no way she’s being good faith by disagreeing with the general idea that women prefer not being seen as promiscuous
Can we just fast-forward to when she stabs Destiny in the back and he burns this bridge too? She's NOT this dumb, she's being intentionally bad faith.
This wasn't bad faith at all, just dumb and clearly ignorant
She already did stab him in the back. She clip-chimped the fuck out of him so hard, she made him look like a rape apologist. Why is he still talking to her? Probably because he wants to sleep with her.
Omfg I have never wanted to shake a person and scream in their face so much in my goddamn life.
That Airplane! meme
Watching this made me itchy IRL it's like she was fishing for tiktok clips to win the argument.
I feel like she's repeating boring soy-nod points, not engaging in substantial positions and baiting Destiny into saying something controversial to clip for TikTok
@@mkkpt exactly what you said
I think in society we need to shame people that wear glasses with no lenses
Im going to use this conversation to teach my programming students about recursion
This is painful to watch
She knows all of this shit, she just doesn't want to admit it because it hurts her positions. The fact that we have gotten where we are with all of this shit is not solely the responsibility or the fault of men. Feminists like her don't want to admit that.
Women do rape people too. Men just have a higher percentage of rapists. I understand that it sucks to be grouped in with them but just dont rape anyone and you will know that youre not apart of that group.
I don’t think if you want to have a nuanced neutral view of feminism in the real moderate world you should listen to anyone from Tiktok. But especially not this woman. She sucks at debating from the start
I guess Melina only needs to be worried when they are pretty *and* smart
@@rayepenber727 not really
Watching her fixate on the word no compared to maybe later and Destiny not fully understanding what she was talking about, was without a doubt one of the most difficult things I’ve had to sit through on YT.
Couldn’t keep watching longer than a few minutes. This isn’t a debate, it’s an argument - and a petty one on both sides
The fundamental issue of this 'no means no' proposal is that it's assumed you can give a totally inflexible definition to to the use of a word in common language, and expect everyone to adhere to it. This is obviously impossible.
Very well said. This convo had me flustered to oblivion
Can't wait to see this clipped up on TikTok
Doubt it will be on hers, cause she's being obtuse/dense as hell and he's at wits end trying to get through to her. Never seen a man have multitudes more understanding of how women work/communicate than an actual biological woman.
@@P4ndaBear The reason Destiny has this superpower is because, his high school social life was him and a bunch of girls, all of which he dated/fucked. Lucky bastard.
And here he is, giving yet another second chance to someone who threw him under the bus. Such a fine judge of character
he prob already sleeping with her
What do you mean trew under the bus? Genuine question
Farha tries WAY to hard, she over thinks things, and tries way to hard to either try to catch Destiny, or simply perform for the audience.
TikTok feminism argues that women deserve all the freedom but none of the accountability. And that’s what she’s arguing. You should have the freedom to hook up, and the freedom to say you’re not going to hook up and then do it anyway, and the freedom to decide that’s grape, and never have to take accountability for the fact that you were insanely ambiguous about the whole thing. I don’t think most women would agree. That’s why it’s TikTok gender war nonsense. She could also never defend this nonsense, so she’s just eternally obtuse. Notice she asked way more questions than she gave prescriptions. She’s just making the situation more nebulous and annoying so she can pretend like they had a stalemate and therefore both their opinions are valid. That’s her whole worldview. Her whole world view is based on the idea that her world view and your world can’t be proven so their equally valid and she can just ask questions all day and act like we can all never know. Except she also acts like she knows. It’s an incoherent mess born out of women desiring to be the main characters. It’s a cluster b ideology.
5min in and this seems like pain
Her saying "I'm not trying to be bad faith." When in fact she is being bad faith is ironically an example of when people say something they don't actually mean. 🤣
I refuse to take seriously anyone's opinion who has an onlyfans
Why is that?
@@idontgetthejoke4813 because it is prostitution lol
@@bhaavangupta1772 Why does being a prostitute qualify you from being smart/having a based opinion? Not saying Farha does, but I'd say that's more because of her hilarious virgin status on top of having an OF
She is femminist and on OF?
Thot alert
@@bhaavangupta1772 Is someone doing prostitution a reason to not take anything they say seriously?
You forgot to define what a woman is first
Its so obvious she is motivated to never understand lol
"I don't want to do that with you." will leave no shadow of a doubt. Its literally just asking to stop leading people on to avoid uncomfortable situations where a person is disappointed in your true feelings.
She's his main squeeze, guys. She's been around asking lowball questions for a month!
The situation destiny is describing with the girl saying no but meaning yes actually happened to me with a friend. If someone who barely touched grass can experience that she should be able to accept that this is a reasonable possibility
Lol it's happens to every guy.
It still happens with my wife. To ask 3.5 billion women, from 1000's of different cultures, who have no contact with each other, who are all playing that same 200 000 year old game of theirs, to stop playing that game, is a losing battle.
It gets dangerous when you don't know the girl.
The safest way to deal with that, is to flirt, and progressively try to be obvious and direct while flirting and joking light heartedly. Most times, she'll stop flirting and entertaining the jokes of your intentions at the point where her boundary lies...then you'll know it's a dead end without having to touch her. If a guy is still pursuing a girl that's obviously not that into him, or wishy washy, they should make what he's doing a crime.
It's much safer to test her boundries and communicate consent that way.
The culture will never change though. Women LOVE the chase. Always have, always will.
So Farha thinks she is smart, many people thinks she is smart due to her demeanour and that she seems well spoken. But when you break down almost every argument she has with others.
She is clearly if she's genuine "Stupid/ignorant" (what makes this statement true is) she cannot follow logical reasoning to the end the current conversation. Instead whilst trying to use logic as a weapon and believes she is doing so, she actually jumps to illogical conclusions. Otherwise one must assume she is gas lighting or trolling.
This is consistent in almost all exchanges she has.
If I'm wrong, explain how?
I actually just had this happen a couple days ago in a hotel. The girl I was with was hesitating to give in while we were rubbing and kissing. So I was trying to walk the fine consent line. Lol but it turned into cuddling and we passed out. THE NEXT MORNING, we were getting breakfast in the lobby, she glared at me and said “at least somethings going inside me at this hotel” I almost cussed her out cause she was so vague on her previous answer🤦🏼♂️
I’m willing to bet almost every guy has one or several examples of something like this happening to them. Farha tries to play it off like it’s an “outlier” but it’s pretty common.
What actually is an outlier is when a woman is totally forthcoming about wanting to have sex
My mind is melting listening to her as she isn’t acknowledging that he’s describing two different scenarios.
Also, are they no lenses in those glasses? Just why?
She probably thinks it makes her look smart
@@JACpotatosI don't know about smart but it definitely makes her look hot
@@СтепанТолстой-й1ъ careful. Breath in her direction the wrong way and she might make some wild accusations
@@JACpotatos thanks for the warning!
In my senior year of high school I met up with a girl after school and we were pretty flirty. I tried making a move on her and she was hesitant because she had a boyfriend so I said “okay well let’s get out of here then” when I looked behind me to see if she was following I saw he lying on a desk with the clearest “fuck me” expression so I did. Years later she claimed I raped her, then a few years after that she got in touch with me and said I didn’t rape her and we started playing league and dnd, then a couple months after that she called me a rapist again and blocked me on social media. Added context a week before the day I “raped her” she and I had anal sex and after the incident we continued to have sex till I graduated and moved.
This all went down 10 years ago and wether or not I’m a rapist still weighs heavily on my mind even though I am certain I did nothing wrong.
That's absolutely wild, sucks that stories like these make my brain cast doubt on victims stories, my friend literally went to jail, his girlfriends dad died and she was already mentally ill, and she tried to put a rape story on him after they broke up on good terms.
That's absolutely wild, sucks that stories like these make my brain cast doubt on victims stories, my friend literally went to jail, his girlfriends dad died and she was already mentally ill, and she tried to put a rape story on him after they broke up on good terms.
Nigga what are you pondering sounds like homegirl has some demons she fighting
Why would you still interact with someone who said you raped her?
@micah
1. Fucking women with boyfriends, disregards monogamous relationships and social standards to have sex
2. Plays league and dnd
3. Continues to engage with women despite them cleary being mentally unstable and harmful to you socially
Got it right out if the textbook. no explanation needed. Man is living his best life.
Edit: to be clear I am joking sorry this happened to you man
This is why some internet debates are ruined. Instead of showing genuine interest and engaging in the conversation they are both trying to stroke their egos fighting each other in a rhetorical competition.
It really should not have been this long of a debate she clearly was not listening a majority of the time
My IQ definitely dropped a few points from watching this.
She is awful. You can't debate someone about a thing if you don't know how they are defining the thing. Otherwise 20mintues later you realize that the whole conversation was junk because they're using a very loose definition and you was using a very strict definition. It's so basic yet she danced around this point for absolutely no reason