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Sprayer needs more range or a lingering cloud/"flame on ground" effect. Blinding gas is amazing. Gas grenades good. Gas armor is... eh? Easier to stay away from gas than fire, since the sprayer doesn't cloud things up. Edit: gas blast as cover for going into a mob sounds like fun, will have to try.
I think it would've been way cooler if the armor gave you 100% gas resistance so you can just be a gas madman and bathe in huge clouds of gas while the enemy struggles to get to you
@@fenickungleonza2571 If it does, its a bug that will likely be patched out, because its description is the same as all the others, saying only 80% resistance.
Even when I tried to run gas strike with how it has changed, I just don't think it ever compares to the absolute shutdown capabilities of the napalm barrage. That thing is busted.
I think it'd be interesting if both armors and helmets could have effects- they'd stack if they're the same effect, and they can also be mixed and matched.
@@weaponizedcropduster I do remember a while back helmet’s having slightly different HUDs was in the works, like a Medic helmet having access to a slightly more detailed ally health pool and one of the scout helmets being able to see enemy outlines things like that. It was originally cut to ship the game on time but was stated that it’s not off the table permenant
Problem is there wouldn’t be a reason to run the helmets that don’t have any effects. Punishing players for not using the set cosmetics is kinda lame. At least all the armours have smth decent about them
Don't sleep on the gas grenade, it's a bigger, longer lasting stun grenade that also softens the targets. Several hulks who would otherwise be one shotting you with a laser cannon stumbling around hitting each other while you pick them off... Beauty.
@@TheBigHAYes, all gas sources make both Bugs and Bots swing and shoot wildly while affected, lose the ability to see and hear you, and of course take damage for the duration.
That's what polar patriots should've been, but yeah, cryo has always been my favorite damage archetype, closely followed by maybe electricity, but cryo is just such a cool concept
Not gonna lie, Im not really a fan of stratagems in the warbonds. I would much rather spend req slips on them considering im always maxed out on them. Also they should just remove req slips from the mission loot pool. Nothing is more aggravating than opening a bunker to find 3 req slips that dont do anything because im already maxed.
I love almost all the changes. Only thing i really disliked was the changes to player health, yes it reduced headshot damage, but im dying way faster now than i ever did before because of the increased damage to the body. If there is one change id wish they would revert its that one To clearify: Im not trashing on the update as a whole, i loved it. Its just one little nitpick i had in a mountain of positives
Agreed. Yeah, you would have more WTF cheese deaths, but that's kind of how getting shot in the head works. Guys in war have often been able to push forward after being wounded in one of their limbs, but I don't see many soldiers brushing off an arrow to the prefrontal cortex.
I would be inclined to agree with this honestly. I've noticed that it kind of made the group support item that reduces limb damage completely useless. I switched to medium armor and one hit still cripples my arm or torso even with the booster on
@@SuperSparrow45 i want to be able to syrvive losing a limb by stimming, arms only though, ion wanna hobble through the battlefield 😂 and well losing your head exokains itself
Yes lol they make noises that I had never heard before, I stopped to listen, wondering what it was, when suddenly I saw two stalkers running after me 😂
First I’ve heard this (haven’t played post update yet), but I’m not sure how I feel about that one. Kinda nice cause you can anticipate them sooner and maybe not die instantly, but also not as nice cause it kind of ruins the point of them catching you by surprise.
There is a major issue that comes from trying to push for a low-damage, crowd-control-centric weapon system in a horde-shooter that Warframe players are keenly aware of. "Death is the best form of crowd control." In a game where my objective is, "Complete my tasks and kill anything that aggresses me as quickly as possible" - why take something that is less powerful and less effective at getting rid of my problem permanently? I love the orbital gas strike, I take it on every bug mission, but the war bond weapons are not worth it. *Support weapon:* Why take it over the flamethrower? It handles the same, and the flamethrower kills everything much, much faster. *Guard Dog:* Extremely niche, good for providing cover against hunters or things that get close quickly, but the other two guard dogs will just kill things outright. Again, death being the permanent crowd control vs temporary. *Gas Grenade:* Why use this over the incindiary grenade? Again, same concept. Why crowd control when I can just kill? Or why take it over thermites that can now one-shot chargers and bile titans? Taking it over the flashbang is also a hard sell because flash + OPS = dead charger/impaler/hulk with almost 100% success rate.
Biggest asset of gas thrower is instant charger disable, it went from going after you to hurr durr im confus mode instantly. I would buff its range a bit otherwise its fine. Niche but alright
Gas grenade imo is best part of the DLC and you can slow down bug breaches quite a lot. Combine it with cookout shotgun and stack up easy kills. Not a new meta item, but definitely fun to utilize.
This guard dog fits my hunter issues better as a arc diver. Hunters relentlessly charging me because i'm 'reloading/empty'. And getting inside the targeting range of my weapons with jumps. It gets the hunters and pouncers off me, body blocking and fighting other leapers. letting me escape or shoot them organically. Just expect a armor pen huff to 3 for tge sterlizer. feels like a armor pen rating issue with the sterlizer dot( since gas only lost durability damage).
I think the intention of the gas is for players to take on more of a support role in their play. You hose down bug hordes with the gas/toss in gas grenades to keep enemies off your team's ass, giving people time to DPS and toss stratagems. I honestly like that approach to gas, it means it's not just green fire.
Ironically the best things from this warbond are the changes to the gas strike and the new grenade, the actual stratagems are kind of awful. Using the primary flamer and gas grenades together is actually a great combo because flamer doesn't stop enemies from running through it and attacking you but the gas does.
Fun thing I noticed if a Charger or an Impailer walked through the gas they would become erratic and attack any nearby bugs. So it’s a nice distraction passive.
I’ve been running sterilizer with a buddy running flame thrower and the two together work in a way that’s better than two flame throwers imo. The bugs just run circles in the fire and you don’t even have to run from them, just stand your ground and cook them.
The warbond would be okay if the confuse effect lasted longer. Its only about 2 seconds( or a bit longer but not enough). It needs to be at least 5 seconds or more( probably 10). And the gas buddy needs to spray in an AOE rather than a single target. Could even add a gas puddle effect to the support gas weapon, that way you can block off an area.
The sterilizer has a big problem... it does not leave gas clouds! Gasthrower doesn't leave toxic gases on the ground like gas grenades do. Or like its sidegrade, the Flamethrower (a jet of fire and puddles of napalm).
@berserkerpride The gas and the orbital strike, are the opposite of useless. They are arguable the most useful gas tools. Orbital gas had one of the shortest cooldowns, and the grenades cover a wide area and lingers compared to the sterilizer and the dog breath.
@@ahmarcamacho8404 The grenades are fine but its a bit weird that the most useful part of the warbond is the grenade. I'd like the sprayer to be more useful.
I really hope they add an orbital gas barrage to compliment the advanced filtration. It would be so cool to rush into a heavy bug nest and watch the bugs go insane while we're destroying the nest
People want the gas to just be green fire but I'm actually enjoying the changes and the fact it's not just green fire. The Sterilizer is meant for team play, while the old orbital and the new guard dog and grenade are now more like "offensive smoke". And while it's probably unintentional, I've seen enemies kill each other when they're in the middle of their confusion/blindness from the gas.
I tried a little bit of the warbond this morning and my thought is that -on its own, it is weak. HOWEVER, it is excellent having one chem player on the team. The CC lock down is ideal when teamed with a fire user, to give them time to make that bug meat well-done. Easily kill lower level enemies and stun anything beefier for easy team kills.
@@TheDPman35no it wouldn't. What's the point of turning one unique dot into the other pre existing dot? Sure it would look cool. But being confused and having a gas dot then getting burned is by definition more dmg.
Wound licker is a fantastic name, give it a really short range electric weapon for enemies like, literally melee range and just say its an offensive defibrilator
I feel confident in saying that this warbond is for those of us that like to play the "agressive support" role. Instead of supporting the team with supplies or a shield, we are supporting the team in a way that compliments their damage output.
The gas weapons niche is in dealing with numerous problematic enemy types such as chargers, or high density scenarios where you're not in a position to clear it efficiently. Having hive guards, chargers and commanders turn on their own, even hunters, racks up a lot of kills and relieves pressure on you, to better reset and assess. The gas is great, its just not going to be for everyone. It will do what its meant to do, and do it very well. Geological survey and hivenuke missions will be much easier with one person using a gas loadout. You'll never really be in a position where you'll be overwhelmed.
The AT mines were the first big sign of player distrust, as everyone knew they were probably going to be underwhelming and the devs won't be doing much about it. I'm excited to try them out again knowing they've been changed.
Dog breath and fire kills so quick Gas and fire damage stack they cant survive both and alpha commanders dies in second chargers get confused then throw thermite flamethrower kills chargers and bile titans The build kills everything
Personally I think all the "% resist" armors need a secondary passive. They're good, but they're purely situational and literally do nothing most of the time. Even with the resistance, since it's not 100% or even 95%, I'm still gonna want to avoid those damage types when possible. Even just weaker versions of existing passives would be good. Like +1 grenade on fire resistant armor for example. The resistances are good, for sure. Like the difference is VERY noticeable when you accidentally light yourself on fire, but it's... boring as hell and, like I said, only provides value for brief moments of time and does nothing the rest of the time. It's also just a stark contrast to how almost every other armor has two passives. "+2 grenades and reduced crouching recoil" "radar pings and better stealth" "throwing range and limb health" The only other exceptions are the armors that just have +50 armor, but that's the passive of the starter armor set, and just happens to be shared by a few others so that's fine. OK I guess the arc armor IS 95% so MAYBE that one can be left alone since it's so significant, though I'd still prefer it get something since arc damage is the rarest type in the game and literally no enemies currently have it. Hell no enemies don't have gas either, so that one DEFINITELY needs something.
Use the Draconaught on a Fire Tornado world and you develop a whole new appreciation for it. Turns out, there's actually a hell of a difference between dying in 5 seconds or 10. The later lets you stim through the pain and keep going.
I'm sad that the Purifier was not touched at all in the Buffdiver update. It plays like it wants to be the plasma equivalent of the Eruptor, but to do that it needs to do at least twice its current damage per shot. It was not worth using before the update, and it's even less worth it now. Also, a plasma Support Weapon that requires you to carry big power cells in a backpack slot for reloads would be awesome to see in the future.
Me and my kid are very excited about all the buffs and we can't wait for Saturday morning to dive in, gear up our dynamic duo and bring hell on those bugs.
Anytime I spray insecticides on bugs around my house, they die almost instantly. So, along that line, shouldn't this stull be similar? Oh well, cool thought I guess. We'll just have to work with it more to find a use.
I haven't messed with it yet, but I imagine the gas being highly effective in big swarms. A common criticism is that fire kills faster. But the enemies ignore fire until it kills them. I think these weapons will shine on evac and drill missions when the swarms become insane
I just played a mission where I was in the center crater of a large active bug nest (don’t ask I’m dumb), and a bug breach happened that was 80% hunters, and I thought “well f@&k I’m dead,” and did a 360 with the sterilizer fully accepting my fate. Then I was able to stim and walk out of that situation while the bugs killed each other. I don’t care what people say, no other weapon would’ve got me out of that situation alive.
Hi Buzz, i can confidently say, you are using the new gas wrong. It's not only supposed to be used as a support role, but something like a harbinger of chaos; rapidly hit multiple, and i mean MULTIPLE, bugs and watch them tear themselves apart. You can shut down 3 breaches with a Gas Strike, and spraying everything like your a child with a hose. By yourself.
Brand new diver here, I've been watching your news videos for a long time now and I'm glad to join up. Now that the supply and logistics issue has been resolved and the dissidents have been removed from our supply chain i'm happy to be a diver.
They HAVE to buff it. It does nothing, they just keep coming, end up using 2 or more canisters on one small group? I am the only person I've seen using it, and thankfully that was on a shorter kill all bugs type mission. Honestly feels like I paid a thousand credits for a cool helmet.
The thing about gas effects now (Main a gas strike for bug breaches as a solo) is that the confusion it causes enemies has them randomly attacking, moving in random directions and even potentially attacking each other. So while I can't say the effectiveness of the sprayer itself since it has to make contact directly, I think that the grenades would be be good for escape or causing a cluster of enemies to just start waling on each other. As a solo diver, incendiary impacts against bugs are a practically a must have for area denial (and kills), but depending on how enemies are grouped up the grenade could be really useful as a throw and forget. Kills aren't everything, sometimes you just want to tie something up but you get damage rather than just a stun effect that the stun grenade has. The sprayer I can certainly see as far more situational, but still potentially useful depending on what weapons and other strats you're rocking. Spray down a group, incendiary grenade into them with an almost 100% no survivors situation, (or whatever grenade of your choice) since they move more by attacking than walking. Confusing a charger (Or a behemoth would be extra beneficial) can let you get around to blast it's butt off which is far easier to do and very damaging. (Stalwart as an example can take it out and shortly bleed it out in less than one belt It has the same damage as the Liberator, so take that as you will.) Also, think of bile spewers throwing up on anything nearby that isn't you. Just think about that one for a second...
the whole "buffdivers" thing has restored a fair bit of my faith in the team. i hope that they keep the fun in the forefront of balance & challenge going forward.
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Ngl, from what I see with the bugs and the new stratagems, it looks like the gas actually blinds them because they kept turning away from you when you were spraying them with it.
With the gas being able to crowd control, it would, on paper, be better as the enemies get tougher/stronger enemies as they can just kill each other. However, most enemies once confused seem to just tend to keep running in your last known location which makes it really difficult to have them actually hit each other. Like you said, it is just better at the moment to just throw more damage or throw a stun grenade if you really need a crowd control weapon.
This gas warbond is SO my jam. I’m all about that crowd control and team synergy, and I really hope they build into that with more elemental/CC options. Frost? Void? Fire and Arc and now Poison have great niches, emphasized by their armor passives. I need folks like you on my team, Lt. I make the barrel, you shoot the fish. 🍻👏
I would love some type of combustion effect if fire is around or if someone does a combo effect with the gas ⛽ and flame thrower, but that could possibly backfire, I think a pistol or rifle with bullets infused with gas or poison would have been cool.
@@Deadspace251 how many hours to get 1,000 Credits for the new Warbond? this is likely what is needed to farm for the new toys. New players and players returning after putting the game down for months will likely pay as to not spend 20 hours farming the Credits ALSO Arrow Head nerfed methods of farming SC
The anti tank mines are absolutely godly. When they launch, they have a huge spread which is needed because of the explosion radius. Smaller bugs can set them off but one explosion can kill a massive number while also one shotting almost every big bug that comes into contact, two tops. Tower defense missions you want to be careful that they aren’t close to the door because they will destroy that with one explosion as well.
Someone else has said this before but I will go deeper in on it. The Sterilizer specifically should apply the same debuff corrosive rain does and lower the armor of anything it hits. That would make it so a Sterilizer could shoot a Hulk and teammates with medium pen Primaries or Supports (Lib-pen, Adjudicator, MG-43, Grenade Launcher) could take down a hulk. Or in situations agains a Annihilator tank or Turret tower, a Sterilizer could spray it and a nearby teammate with Light AP guns could take it out with them (Liberator, stalwart, Las-scythe/dagger, Tenderizer, most shotguns)
It feels like they've upped the spawn count just for this warbond. Those flag raising missions now spawn A TON of enemies, similar to the final part of the seismic survey missions. Each time you throw down a flag, 4 bug breaches appear spawning even several heavies at the same time and if you manage to get through them, 4 more would open up. So, crowd control right now is very necessary because they've made it so lol And the thing about the Steriliser is that when you use it on a pack, you strafe sideways and spray... they usually start swiping blindly forward once you start
The original OGS was probably one of the best crowd control weapons we have at our disposal. Anything that walked in was covered by a sickly yellowish green clouds and slowly dissolved into nothing. Granted that the enemy had to be at Bot soldiers that ain’t Devs and above as well as Hive guard and above. Now it does that with less damage but covers their eyes in stench and makes them start rocking out and making a mosh pit. I don’t like it much but I do see the appeal when a charger gets hit with the gas.
Gas loadout has been super effective for me. I’ve been able to take out whole bug breaches by myself. Gas grenades and gas thrower creates an excellent area denial for my team, leaves the heavies vulnerable, and paired it with support pack and air/orbital strikes to finish off the heavies. I’m very happy with it
the gas grenade is the goat this warbond. a better stun that keeps an aoe crowd control effect. really good on hulks, devastator packs, and bug breaches. it just holds chokepoints for like 10 seconds letting you run, switch targets, or lay down damage. mini orbital gas strike that frees a stratagem slot, just run grenade pistol
Gas effect should extend the duration of flame effects, so the flame effect timer stays at max until the gas is gone... Weapon interactions would be fantastic!
Guys don’t sleep on Bramble: The Mountain King. That game is a MASTERPIECE and it’s about 8 hours of extremely compelling storytelling. Once I started it I couldn’t put it down until it was done. I ended up staring it at like 9pm and stayed up until almost 4am
I found the Sterilizer to be extremely effective, but not on it's own. It does confuse the enemies very quickly, which then appear to attack the closest target. The confused enemies are very easy to pick, especially with a friend or some high fire rate Primary. It seemed to pair extremely good with the Inciendiary Breaker. Spray a burst of Gas, switch and Spray a Burst of flaming bullets. You can do that a few times per mag. Warriors and Hunters didn't really get to me anymore, as long as I kept a certain distance and spewers didn't directly aim at me. The Gas-Grenade is also very nice to keep enemies at bay while reloading the MG for example.
I really love the Sterilizer mixed with the flame thrower. The gas is excellent at scattering the enemies, once they are affected by gas, you finish them with the flame thrower. Its so much fun and it the flame does not overshadow the gas and vice-versa.
I would love to see in the future having a side objective as we turn on some radar we are able to change our strategem layout once per player at the radar site...
Don't sleep on the gas, guys. It's more of a utility, and a very useful one at that. Confusing a horde of Bugs so your buddies have an easier time either escaping, regrouping, or fighting back is VERY useful. Also, the armor might as well be 100% resistance, since you take next to no damage from gas with it. It's so minimal, I never once worried about it.
Since we got fire and chemical type weaponry. I can definitely see super earth learning how to do the bugs bile, and develop acid type weaponry to really melt armor. Would be dope!
I LOVE the new patch, but my biggest issue so far would be ✨Chargers.✨My heck are they a problem. It used to be that if you let yourself get stuck in a bad spot you’d get plastered against a rock by them and leave a messy decoration for future Helldivers. Sure, that makes sense to me. But right now if a Charger barely grazes your lingering thoughts that just didn’t quite disperse from its path in time, your physical body is propelled to a new plane of existence while your soul simply ceases to exist. Pair that with the issue of elites not making noise and it often feels like I’m in a horror movie, constantly glancing over my shoulder in fear of the dreaded tippy-toeing tank. Obviously it’s because they directly buffed the damage that Chargers deal, but pair that with the increased body damage to divers (which I think should be reverted back to how it was) and we have our recipe for instant, remorseless deletion.
I want to give my 2 cents on the guard dog "dog breath" rover. *I think it is worse than the 2 other rovers* This is the first guard dog with a weapon that essentially requires melee range to apply its damage to targets. So getting it to trigger on enemies requires you to get rather close to enemies, and once the bot focuses on an enemy, it will *stick* to that enemy, far more than it will to you, making this stratagem a very strange, inefficient and unnecessary stratagem. I have been reading alot of comments and posts about how many kills players have been getting with gas strike stratagem and charging in with the sterile sterilizer and of course the gas resistance armour, but in game, all of that, can be replaced with 1 stratagem - the fire orbital barrage stratagem. Sure it is a 4min cd stratagem, but most of the instances when you're using a gas strike and charging in, is during breaches, and fire barrage shuts down breaches better than anything I have seen in this game so far. Even running teslas to complement gas strikes felt unnecessary. I'd much rather rock the tesla alone and bring the fire barrage for breach lockdowns.
It makes zero sense to release armor that only partially protects you from the chemical agent. That's like cleaning out a hornet's nest with only half a suit.
I feel like the blindness and confusion effect from the new gas should be what the smoke items do at the very least the blindness to make them more realistic and useful in covering a retreat like some bombs should be
In my testing and experimenting with the gas flamethrower is yes it’s meant to be for CC however I noticed that it makes the enemy attack erratically which in most cases at least for me attack their allies and kill them or bring them low enough to die from the DOT damage. As for the confusion effect I do feel it’s a little short but not too short to be completely useless, it’s helped me with dealing with/ managing two patrols of hunters with minimal damage from the few that had jumped at me.
I love the concept of crowd control as a build focus. However, there needs to be some advantages to go with the disadvantage of lower damage. Because after all, the best crowd control of all is simply destroying your enemy.
The whole point of this war bond is to slow down the enemies from overrunning us. With bugs AND bots, confusing them leaves us breathing room and enough time to call in air strikes before they know what’s going on. Being overwhelmed on max difficulty with be a memory if one helldiver plays support
Gas is actually rather neat if you have a Bug Breach and spray into that, Drop a stratagem on it and just wait without half of them running after you and leaving the impact area.
As interesting as the warbond is, I am nervous of the precedent this sets. If you have to pay REAL MONEY or grind hours to get enough of the in-game currency to get access to a warbond just for a new stratagem, this does not feel feasible to the Helldivers that are struggling monetarily. Instead, if they want to introduce more Stratagems in a warbond instead of making us have to fight or liberate or kill for it, make that warbond like the Helldivers Assemble warbond is, accessible to everyone, and requires lots of MEDALS to gain your way up. This makes more sense, and we can keep some of the primaries and grenade types as well as skins in the premium warbond.
The Torcher feels so good now. I was burning the hell out of things and could actually kill Hunters before they jumped at me. The Eruptor feels really solid as well. Both are strong but have a drawback as it is easy to hurt yourself if you aren’t careful. I also tried the Liberator Concussive and now I really like it. The massive magazine gives you crowd control and enough constant damage to hurt larger targets. The new poison spray is… interesting. Watching the bugs go crazy and not attack is cool, but they take a while to die. I used it in a two man run and it didn’t really work that well. I don’t think it is bad, but I think it is for full groups only.
3 things. 1 break action shotgun for primary or even support. 2 computers across from the loadout need to serve some utility. 3 hellcliner for the flat screen.
I only wish they did not shadow nerf the HMG with this patch something like from 55 dur dmg to 35 and i felt that the moment i shot down a spore and a flying rat nest for 1 bag and 1/3 from 2/3 before patch, i wish i knew why
What id like to see is gas working like it does in deep rock galactic. You have the option to ignite it with fire to create a massive fiery explosion instead of the disorientation cloud Good job arrowhead for returning back to the ground level, now let's move up and only up from here please, forgetting these past couple months while remembering the lessons we learned along the way
I feel kind of let down by gas. As someone who actively uses smoke, this feels more like an offensive smoke variant. It's still unique, however, I can't help but feel like we missed a huge opportunity to crack a niche wide open for weapons with high damage but low armor pen and/or durable dmg by corroding durable and armor values. Chemical weapons are a treasure trove of utility and offensive support and we kinda just... didn't.
Few things you didnt mention in your look at the Sterilizer. It has a loooot more range than the flamer. It can seriously disorient many enemies. I think it gives them a tiny range they can actually see. I hit a Bile Titan with a gas grenade, and no joke it turned and attacked in the wrong direction. Ill need to test it to know if that was a coincidence. Sterlizer with Rover backpack is amazing. I think a coordinated squad could really capitalize on it. I think the dog breath, grenades, and gas strike might be better uses for it gas in general. Fire and Gas together is a match made in heaven
The sterilizer has a big problem... it does not leave gas clouds! Gasthrower doesn't leave toxic gases on the ground like gas grenades do. Or like its sidegrade, the Flamethrower (a jet of fire and puddles of napalm).
The G-4 gas grenade and the orbital are good to use for CC, I found the sterilizer just taking up a slot. it works but its use case is pretty weak. The greatest strength is really keeping a bug breach contained, or taking the pressure off objectives that have bug breaches
I’ve noticed that every time I get hit by anything I break a limb. When it’s an arm I just live with it but if it is a leg you pretty much have to use a stim no matter your health
I don't really see the point of the new gas stuff, the confusion effect is not good enough and long lasting enough to make it worth a damn, the flamethrower's kill ability is far far more valuable in a game like HD2 than CC, doubly so since you are paying 10 bucks for only these 2 strategems we'd used to get for free. The patch was great, the warbond is not.
@@nethandelwampa116 Could help give it another use case but that would still only work with the orbital gas strike and gas grenade, it wouldn't help salvage the sterilizer or sterilizer guard dog
Super dives used to be worth 50+ war score points before this patch, they’re currently worth 15…. We’re definitely failing this order because arrowhead can’t let a good thing be a good thing
My only real issue with this update and war bond lies in the amount of damage dealt to the helldiver. It kind of feels like with the amount of damage that you take you might as well just be naked. Even the smallest enemies can breathe on you and you have to heal because they did half damage to you. I had to switch to Heavy Armor and use the laser guard dog which I never use. Even the heavy armor feels like a gift wrapped in tissue paper provides more protection
They should pair the gas stream with flamethrowers. The gas should be able to ignite and cause massive fire damage if hit with a flame. Would be cool to drench enemies with the gas stream then hit them with a crisper or other flame weapon. Would make for a nice team work opportunity as well
Gas works more like a strategic method of gaining the upper hand against enemies. Run Dog breath to confuse enemies, hoes them down with the flamethrower.
It's not the Warbond that sucks. It's the fact that they did the same as with the Fire Warbond again. They nerfed the gas by turning it into something that sounded neat to them on paper but in practice was completely unnecessary. So effectively. It's Fire Warbond all over again. They just can't help themselves.
if they keep the gas then it would just powercreep the new flamer duh gas always does more damage than fire it's just that we have so many more ways to use fire while we only have 1 way to used gas before
With the rework to gas and the new war being pretty weak, it makes me think the devs are going to go right back to nerfing. The new update was nice, but i was Expecting every weapon to get at least one buff.
People have a real problem with the strategy: concentrated fire. People are trying to liberate way too many different planets. Claorell and Trandor are both currently at 0.5% decay. Those are the only planets that should be attacked right now.
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It works really well with all of the green stratagems. You can keep things off of them really easy
Sprayer needs more range or a lingering cloud/"flame on ground" effect.
Blinding gas is amazing.
Gas grenades good.
Gas armor is... eh? Easier to stay away from gas than fire, since the sprayer doesn't cloud things up.
Edit: gas blast as cover for going into a mob sounds like fun, will have to try.
it is support Weapon give enemies "Confuse" and "Blind" status. so using solo not mean much
I think it would've been way cooler if the armor gave you 100% gas resistance so you can just be a gas madman and bathe in huge clouds of gas while the enemy struggles to get to you
I'd settle for 95%
funfact it seams like the heavy armor actually have that i mean the 100% immune to gas
@@fenickungleonza2571 If it does, its a bug that will likely be patched out, because its description is the same as all the others, saying only 80% resistance.
Even with the medium armor gas now does barely any damage.
alternatively: an anti-gas 'shield' bar (represents filtration system taxing) no damage until depleted, recharges when not in gas effect
A warbond weak on launch? WE ARE SO BACK
🙄 so lame
"weak" lol
I've played with it and it's more of a support weapon I was able to stop masve hordes of bugs I don't know about bots tho
Even when I tried to run gas strike with how it has changed, I just don't think it ever compares to the absolute shutdown capabilities of the napalm barrage. That thing is busted.
You cracked me up 🤣🤣
The advanced filtration effect should have been put on the helmets, not the armor imo
I think it'd be interesting if both armors and helmets could have effects- they'd stack if they're the same effect, and they can also be mixed and matched.
@@weaponizedcropduster I do remember a while back helmet’s having slightly different HUDs was in the works, like a Medic helmet having access to a slightly more detailed ally health pool and one of the scout helmets being able to see enemy outlines things like that. It was originally cut to ship the game on time but was stated that it’s not off the table permenant
Problem is there wouldn’t be a reason to run the helmets that don’t have any effects. Punishing players for not using the set cosmetics is kinda lame. At least all the armours have smth decent about them
@@drpatrickmorbius5966 Right, I meant to say that we'd apply effects to ALL of the helmets correlating with the sets they each go with.
@@weaponizedcropdusterright like fire and gas proof!! Yeet!
Don't sleep on the gas grenade, it's a bigger, longer lasting stun grenade that also softens the targets. Several hulks who would otherwise be one shotting you with a laser cannon stumbling around hitting each other while you pick them off... Beauty.
This
So gas does confuse bots into friendly fire then?
I been thinking about the gas grenade being the best form of using gas cause you can shoot other weapons while enemies are gased while at a distance
Can you close bug holes with it?
@@TheBigHAYes, all gas sources make both Bugs and Bots swing and shoot wildly while affected, lose the ability to see and hear you, and of course take damage for the duration.
Dude I hope the devs add Cryo (ice) weapons in the future man. I just think it would be cool.
Completely agree. It was such a missed opportunity with Polar Patriots.
That would be cool.
Ice cold even.
Wb bile weapons that slow enemies down?
You realise the new chem weapons are just more powerful versions of what ice weapons would be.
That's what polar patriots should've been, but yeah, cryo has always been my favorite damage archetype, closely followed by maybe electricity, but cryo is just such a cool concept
Not gonna lie, Im not really a fan of stratagems in the warbonds. I would much rather spend req slips on them considering im always maxed out on them. Also they should just remove req slips from the mission loot pool. Nothing is more aggravating than opening a bunker to find 3 req slips that dont do anything because im already maxed.
One of the reasons i stopped playing since i was maxed on everything but sc
Yes stop putting req slips in vaults. The disappointment when you get them instead of super credits is awful
It's a real "receiving clothes for Christmas" moment, isn't it?
I just wish we could donate req to SEAF to count as one "win".
Or even half of a win.
I love almost all the changes. Only thing i really disliked was the changes to player health, yes it reduced headshot damage, but im dying way faster now than i ever did before because of the increased damage to the body. If there is one change id wish they would revert its that one
To clearify: Im not trashing on the update as a whole, i loved it. Its just one little nitpick i had in a mountain of positives
Agreed. Yeah, you would have more WTF cheese deaths, but that's kind of how getting shot in the head works. Guys in war have often been able to push forward after being wounded in one of their limbs, but I don't see many soldiers brushing off an arrow to the prefrontal cortex.
Yeah, it's like they moved all that bonus headshot damage to the rest of the body.
@@SuperSparrow45@SuperSparrow45 hey, my man?
Read the comment you replied to again, closely. Chest damage. That's what they're talking about.
I would be inclined to agree with this honestly. I've noticed that it kind of made the group support item that reduces limb damage completely useless. I switched to medium armor and one hit still cripples my arm or torso even with the booster on
@@SuperSparrow45 i want to be able to syrvive losing a limb by stimming, arms only though, ion wanna hobble through the battlefield 😂 and well losing your head exokains itself
They must have hired Opra with how generous their buffs were… but can we talk about how the stalkers make loud sounds now????
Yes lol they make noises that I had never heard before, I stopped to listen, wondering what it was, when suddenly I saw two stalkers running after me 😂
First I’ve heard this (haven’t played post update yet), but I’m not sure how I feel about that one. Kinda nice cause you can anticipate them sooner and maybe not die instantly, but also not as nice cause it kind of ruins the point of them catching you by surprise.
I couldn't hear them over all that freedom!
When I played last night, they made no noise, idk if it was bugged
There is a major issue that comes from trying to push for a low-damage, crowd-control-centric weapon system in a horde-shooter that Warframe players are keenly aware of.
"Death is the best form of crowd control."
In a game where my objective is, "Complete my tasks and kill anything that aggresses me as quickly as possible" - why take something that is less powerful and less effective at getting rid of my problem permanently? I love the orbital gas strike, I take it on every bug mission, but the war bond weapons are not worth it.
*Support weapon:* Why take it over the flamethrower? It handles the same, and the flamethrower kills everything much, much faster.
*Guard Dog:* Extremely niche, good for providing cover against hunters or things that get close quickly, but the other two guard dogs will just kill things outright. Again, death being the permanent crowd control vs temporary.
*Gas Grenade:* Why use this over the incindiary grenade? Again, same concept. Why crowd control when I can just kill? Or why take it over thermites that can now one-shot chargers and bile titans? Taking it over the flashbang is also a hard sell because flash + OPS = dead charger/impaler/hulk with almost 100% success rate.
Biggest asset of gas thrower is instant charger disable, it went from going after you to hurr durr im confus mode instantly. I would buff its range a bit otherwise its fine. Niche but alright
Facts, other weapons are more viable. Just another underwhelming warbond. Looks like AH is back to their usual self.
Yo try any of the gas items v bots, then get back to me ;)
Gas grenade imo is best part of the DLC and you can slow down bug breaches quite a lot. Combine it with cookout shotgun and stack up easy kills.
Not a new meta item, but definitely fun to utilize.
This guard dog fits my hunter issues better as a arc diver.
Hunters relentlessly charging me because i'm 'reloading/empty'. And getting inside the targeting range of my weapons with jumps.
It gets the hunters and pouncers off me, body blocking and fighting other leapers.
letting me escape or shoot them organically.
Just expect a armor pen huff to 3 for tge sterlizer. feels like a armor pen rating issue with the sterlizer dot( since gas only lost durability damage).
I think the intention of the gas is for players to take on more of a support role in their play. You hose down bug hordes with the gas/toss in gas grenades to keep enemies off your team's ass, giving people time to DPS and toss stratagems. I honestly like that approach to gas, it means it's not just green fire.
no shit
Meanwhile the Plas-101 is still a marshmellow launcher. The buff diver patch didn't answer my prayers. I still wait and I still lament.
The buffs arent done, 25 or so days left in the 60 day
It's my favorite primary also, I wait
Notice any difference with the change to armor pen? Genuinely curious since it would seem you have tried it since patch.
Tenderizer still sucks
@@reaper_exd7498 you suck, plain n simple
Ironically the best things from this warbond are the changes to the gas strike and the new grenade, the actual stratagems are kind of awful. Using the primary flamer and gas grenades together is actually a great combo because flamer doesn't stop enemies from running through it and attacking you but the gas does.
Fun thing I noticed if a Charger or an Impailer walked through the gas they would become erratic and attack any nearby bugs. So it’s a nice distraction passive.
I’ve been running sterilizer with a buddy running flame thrower and the two together work in a way that’s better than two flame throwers imo. The bugs just run circles in the fire and you don’t even have to run from them, just stand your ground and cook them.
nah
the rover is awesome
the sterilizer is good for objectives and teamplay
The warbond would be okay if the confuse effect lasted longer. Its only about 2 seconds( or a bit longer but not enough). It needs to be at least 5 seconds or more( probably 10). And the gas buddy needs to spray in an AOE rather than a single target.
Could even add a gas puddle effect to the support gas weapon, that way you can block off an area.
It's longer than 2 seconds, at least with the orbital gas strike
@@GhostHomerPT Yeah the clouds last longer. The grenade and the orbital gas strike are fairly useful.
The sterilizer has a big problem... it does not leave gas clouds!
Gasthrower doesn't leave toxic gases on the ground like gas grenades do. Or like its sidegrade, the Flamethrower (a jet of fire and puddles of napalm).
@berserkerpride The gas and the orbital strike, are the opposite of useless.
They are arguable the most useful gas tools. Orbital gas had one of the shortest cooldowns, and the grenades cover a wide area and lingers compared to the sterilizer and the dog breath.
@@ahmarcamacho8404 The grenades are fine but its a bit weird that the most useful part of the warbond is the grenade. I'd like the sprayer to be more useful.
I really hope they add an orbital gas barrage to compliment the advanced filtration. It would be so cool to rush into a heavy bug nest and watch the bugs go insane while we're destroying the nest
Your prayers were answered at launch.
@@Checkpoint_King?
@@MrPanggs there is already an orbital gas strike on the stratagem list.
@@Checkpoint_King yeah but orbital gas BARRAGE would be ballers
Hear me out . What about when we aim with stim pistol we can shot it to our brothers but when we shot it without aiming we stim ourself
Do you play dark and darker?
That's how you self cast a spell lol
@@ledfloyd9035random but true
That's what I thought they were gonna do with it
@@thefinegameofnil7158 weird... that totally doesnt make any sense
I mean, every other secondary was going to useless. 29 stims for ypurself per life would be absurd
I was expecting the gas weapons to leave a cloud, similar to the gas strike, or like the flamethrower that leaves fire on the ground.
People want the gas to just be green fire but I'm actually enjoying the changes and the fact it's not just green fire. The Sterilizer is meant for team play, while the old orbital and the new guard dog and grenade are now more like "offensive smoke". And while it's probably unintentional, I've seen enemies kill each other when they're in the middle of their confusion/blindness from the gas.
I tried a little bit of the warbond this morning and my thought is that -on its own, it is weak. HOWEVER, it is excellent having one chem player on the team. The CC lock down is ideal when teamed with a fire user, to give them time to make that bug meat well-done. Easily kill lower level enemies and stun anything beefier for easy team kills.
2 things. Melt like acid, and it would be cool if it was flammable.
So one friend seasons the bugs and that other grills them. I like it. Now to find some friends.
@@TheDPman35no it wouldn't. What's the point of turning one unique dot into the other pre existing dot? Sure it would look cool.
But being confused and having a gas dot then getting burned is by definition more dmg.
Needs the armor debuff like acid rain.
I wish it was a sludge rather than gas. That way, it didn't obscure vision. Or let us light the gas like DRG and make a wombo combo.
I think this disorientation mechanic is a test run for what it might be one of the mechanics that the Illuminate will do to us, idk, just saying (8
We need a guard dog that automatically shoots stims at wounded helldivers. Call it “medic” or “wound licker”
Wound licker is a fantastic name, give it a really short range electric weapon for enemies like, literally melee range and just say its an offensive defibrilator
I feel confident in saying that this warbond is for those of us that like to play the "agressive support" role. Instead of supporting the team with supplies or a shield, we are supporting the team in a way that compliments their damage output.
Exactly
The gas weapons niche is in dealing with numerous problematic enemy types such as chargers, or high density scenarios where you're not in a position to clear it efficiently. Having hive guards, chargers and commanders turn on their own, even hunters, racks up a lot of kills and relieves pressure on you, to better reset and assess. The gas is great, its just not going to be for everyone. It will do what its meant to do, and do it very well. Geological survey and hivenuke missions will be much easier with one person using a gas loadout. You'll never really be in a position where you'll be overwhelmed.
The AT mines were the first big sign of player distrust, as everyone knew they were probably going to be underwhelming and the devs won't be doing much about it. I'm excited to try them out again knowing they've been changed.
The earlier we got them, the better they would be since they'd get tested much earlier
Dog breath and fire kills so quick
Gas and fire damage stack they cant survive both and alpha commanders dies in second chargers get confused then throw thermite flamethrower kills chargers and bile titans
The build kills everything
The new Helldiver 'spray and pray' combo.
Personally I think all the "% resist" armors need a secondary passive. They're good, but they're purely situational and literally do nothing most of the time. Even with the resistance, since it's not 100% or even 95%, I'm still gonna want to avoid those damage types when possible. Even just weaker versions of existing passives would be good. Like +1 grenade on fire resistant armor for example. The resistances are good, for sure. Like the difference is VERY noticeable when you accidentally light yourself on fire, but it's... boring as hell and, like I said, only provides value for brief moments of time and does nothing the rest of the time. It's also just a stark contrast to how almost every other armor has two passives. "+2 grenades and reduced crouching recoil" "radar pings and better stealth" "throwing range and limb health" The only other exceptions are the armors that just have +50 armor, but that's the passive of the starter armor set, and just happens to be shared by a few others so that's fine.
OK I guess the arc armor IS 95% so MAYBE that one can be left alone since it's so significant, though I'd still prefer it get something since arc damage is the rarest type in the game and literally no enemies currently have it. Hell no enemies don't have gas either, so that one DEFINITELY needs something.
I wish the gas armor also let you carry two more gas grenades and the flame armor two more incendiary grenades
I dunno man, the fire armor does work, even works on allied laser rover damage.
Use the Draconaught on a Fire Tornado world and you develop a whole new appreciation for it.
Turns out, there's actually a hell of a difference between dying in 5 seconds or 10. The later lets you stim through the pain and keep going.
I'm sad that the Purifier was not touched at all in the Buffdiver update. It plays like it wants to be the plasma equivalent of the Eruptor, but to do that it needs to do at least twice its current damage per shot. It was not worth using before the update, and it's even less worth it now.
Also, a plasma Support Weapon that requires you to carry big power cells in a backpack slot for reloads would be awesome to see in the future.
Me and my kid are very excited about all the buffs and we can't wait for Saturday morning to dive in, gear up our dynamic duo and bring hell on those bugs.
guard dog rover NEEDS same flight behavior as Dog Breath lmaooo
Anytime I spray insecticides on bugs around my house, they die almost instantly. So, along that line, shouldn't this stull be similar?
Oh well, cool thought I guess. We'll just have to work with it more to find a use.
Its corrosive gas not insecticied tho
One is corrosive gas and you are more or less drowning them in it. The bugs in the game are huge
@@Massimo-007MK seems to kill teammates quickly enough. How odd.
They are mold not insects. Have you tried to remove mold.
@@rhetro777 how odd that the terminids and humans have different biology? Hm trully how odd.
I haven't messed with it yet, but I imagine the gas being highly effective in big swarms. A common criticism is that fire kills faster. But the enemies ignore fire until it kills them. I think these weapons will shine on evac and drill missions when the swarms become insane
I just played a mission where I was in the center crater of a large active bug nest (don’t ask I’m dumb), and a bug breach happened that was 80% hunters, and I thought “well f@&k I’m dead,” and did a 360 with the sterilizer fully accepting my fate.
Then I was able to stim and walk out of that situation while the bugs killed each other. I don’t care what people say, no other weapon would’ve got me out of that situation alive.
Hi Buzz, i can confidently say, you are using the new gas wrong. It's not only supposed to be used as a support role, but something like a harbinger of chaos; rapidly hit multiple, and i mean MULTIPLE, bugs and watch them tear themselves apart. You can shut down 3 breaches with a Gas Strike, and spraying everything like your a child with a hose. By yourself.
Brand new diver here, I've been watching your news videos for a long time now and I'm glad to join up. Now that the supply and logistics issue has been resolved and the dissidents have been removed from our supply chain i'm happy to be a diver.
They HAVE to buff it. It does nothing, they just keep coming, end up using 2 or more canisters on one small group? I am the only person I've seen using it, and thankfully that was on a shorter kill all bugs type mission. Honestly feels like I paid a thousand credits for a cool helmet.
I looked at vids and was like yeah I'm gonna hold onto my super credits. The warbond is garbage. Even the stim gun is wishful thinking.
try any of the gas items vs bots and tell me what you think. It's wild the difference vs bugs
The thing about gas effects now (Main a gas strike for bug breaches as a solo) is that the confusion it causes enemies has them randomly attacking, moving in random directions and even potentially attacking each other. So while I can't say the effectiveness of the sprayer itself since it has to make contact directly, I think that the grenades would be be good for escape or causing a cluster of enemies to just start waling on each other. As a solo diver, incendiary impacts against bugs are a practically a must have for area denial (and kills), but depending on how enemies are grouped up the grenade could be really useful as a throw and forget.
Kills aren't everything, sometimes you just want to tie something up but you get damage rather than just a stun effect that the stun grenade has. The sprayer I can certainly see as far more situational, but still potentially useful depending on what weapons and other strats you're rocking. Spray down a group, incendiary grenade into them with an almost 100% no survivors situation, (or whatever grenade of your choice) since they move more by attacking than walking.
Confusing a charger (Or a behemoth would be extra beneficial) can let you get around to blast it's butt off which is far easier to do and very damaging. (Stalwart as an example can take it out and shortly bleed it out in less than one belt It has the same damage as the Liberator, so take that as you will.) Also, think of bile spewers throwing up on anything nearby that isn't you. Just think about that one for a second...
the whole "buffdivers" thing has restored a fair bit of my faith in the team. i hope that they keep the fun in the forefront of balance & challenge going forward.
Another thing not mentioned in the patch notes is that Helldivers no longer get stuck on the pelican ramp when extracting.
*theme music*
"This is an important news alert from Super Earth. Reports have come in from Divers stating they have sighted flying chargers on the battlefiled. Its important to know that these reports are unfounded, and any helldiver reporting these freedom hating rumors should report back to super earth for re-conditioning. Thank you and have a democratic day."
Ngl, from what I see with the bugs and the new stratagems, it looks like the gas actually blinds them because they kept turning away from you when you were spraying them with it.
With the gas being able to crowd control, it would, on paper, be better as the enemies get tougher/stronger enemies as they can just kill each other. However, most enemies once confused seem to just tend to keep running in your last known location which makes it really difficult to have them actually hit each other. Like you said, it is just better at the moment to just throw more damage or throw a stun grenade if you really need a crowd control weapon.
Try it v bots and get back to me
This gas warbond is SO my jam. I’m all about that crowd control and team synergy, and I really hope they build into that with more elemental/CC options. Frost? Void? Fire and Arc and now Poison have great niches, emphasized by their armor passives. I need folks like you on my team, Lt. I make the barrel, you shoot the fish. 🍻👏
I would love some type of combustion effect if fire is around or if someone does a combo effect with the gas ⛽ and flame thrower, but that could possibly backfire, I think a pistol or rifle with bullets infused with gas or poison would have been cool.
Still think it’s wild, they are charging the full 1000 for this warbond with 1/3 less items
And locking stratagems behind it
I didn’t even think of that issue. Good call out
not really an issue imo
@@__-fi6xg in your opinion, probably not
It's really not a big deal because you get super credit's very easily so I don't see the point.
@@Deadspace251 how many hours to get 1,000 Credits for the new Warbond? this is likely what is needed to farm for the new toys.
New players and players returning after putting the game down for months will likely pay as to not spend 20 hours farming the Credits
ALSO Arrow Head nerfed methods of farming SC
The anti tank mines are absolutely godly. When they launch, they have a huge spread which is needed because of the explosion radius. Smaller bugs can set them off but one explosion can kill a massive number while also one shotting almost every big bug that comes into contact, two tops. Tower defense missions you want to be careful that they aren’t close to the door because they will destroy that with one explosion as well.
Someone else has said this before but I will go deeper in on it.
The Sterilizer specifically should apply the same debuff corrosive rain does and lower the armor of anything it hits.
That would make it so a Sterilizer could shoot a Hulk and teammates with medium pen Primaries or Supports (Lib-pen, Adjudicator, MG-43, Grenade Launcher) could take down a hulk.
Or in situations agains a Annihilator tank or Turret tower, a Sterilizer could spray it and a nearby teammate with Light AP guns could take it out with them (Liberator, stalwart, Las-scythe/dagger, Tenderizer, most shotguns)
It feels like they've upped the spawn count just for this warbond. Those flag raising missions now spawn A TON of enemies, similar to the final part of the seismic survey missions. Each time you throw down a flag, 4 bug breaches appear spawning even several heavies at the same time and if you manage to get through them, 4 more would open up. So, crowd control right now is very necessary because they've made it so lol And the thing about the Steriliser is that when you use it on a pack, you strafe sideways and spray... they usually start swiping blindly forward once you start
I am sooooo happy to see how Arrowhead listened to us
The original OGS was probably one of the best crowd control weapons we have at our disposal. Anything that walked in was covered by a sickly yellowish green clouds and slowly dissolved into nothing. Granted that the enemy had to be at Bot soldiers that ain’t Devs and above as well as Hive guard and above. Now it does that with less damage but covers their eyes in stench and makes them start rocking out and making a mosh pit. I don’t like it much but I do see the appeal when a charger gets hit with the gas.
Gas loadout has been super effective for me. I’ve been able to take out whole bug breaches by myself. Gas grenades and gas thrower creates an excellent area denial for my team, leaves the heavies vulnerable, and paired it with support pack and air/orbital strikes to finish off the heavies. I’m very happy with it
I'm getting killed endlessly now by clueless players with flamethrower.
yeah thats why we dont stand infront of the guy with the gun that shoots fire
Lmaoooooo
Just like old times.
Needle gun ftw
the gas grenade is the goat this warbond. a better stun that keeps an aoe crowd control effect. really good on hulks, devastator packs, and bug breaches. it just holds chokepoints for like 10 seconds letting you run, switch targets, or lay down damage. mini orbital gas strike that frees a stratagem slot, just run grenade pistol
Gas effect should extend the duration of flame effects, so the flame effect timer stays at max until the gas is gone... Weapon interactions would be fantastic!
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I found the Sterilizer to be extremely effective, but not on it's own.
It does confuse the enemies very quickly, which then appear to attack the closest target. The confused enemies are very easy to pick, especially with a friend or some high fire rate Primary.
It seemed to pair extremely good with the Inciendiary Breaker. Spray a burst of Gas, switch and Spray a Burst of flaming bullets. You can do that a few times per mag.
Warriors and Hunters didn't really get to me anymore, as long as I kept a certain distance and spewers didn't directly aim at me.
The Gas-Grenade is also very nice to keep enemies at bay while reloading the MG for example.
I really love the Sterilizer mixed with the flame thrower. The gas is excellent at scattering the enemies, once they are affected by gas, you finish them with the flame thrower. Its so much fun and it the flame does not overshadow the gas and vice-versa.
I would love to see in the future having a side objective as we turn on some radar we are able to change our strategem layout once per player at the radar site...
Love your videos man glad the game is on track for a comeback
Thermites are like having a wildcard in your hand. They allow you to do so many cool combos.
Don't sleep on the gas, guys. It's more of a utility, and a very useful one at that. Confusing a horde of Bugs so your buddies have an easier time either escaping, regrouping, or fighting back is VERY useful. Also, the armor might as well be 100% resistance, since you take next to no damage from gas with it. It's so minimal, I never once worried about it.
Since we got fire and chemical type weaponry. I can definitely see super earth learning how to do the bugs bile, and develop acid type weaponry to really melt armor. Would be dope!
I LOVE the new patch, but my biggest issue so far would be ✨Chargers.✨My heck are they a problem. It used to be that if you let yourself get stuck in a bad spot you’d get plastered against a rock by them and leave a messy decoration for future Helldivers. Sure, that makes sense to me. But right now if a Charger barely grazes your lingering thoughts that just didn’t quite disperse from its path in time, your physical body is propelled to a new plane of existence while your soul simply ceases to exist. Pair that with the issue of elites not making noise and it often feels like I’m in a horror movie, constantly glancing over my shoulder in fear of the dreaded tippy-toeing tank.
Obviously it’s because they directly buffed the damage that Chargers deal, but pair that with the increased body damage to divers (which I think should be reverted back to how it was) and we have our recipe for instant, remorseless deletion.
I want to give my 2 cents on the guard dog "dog breath" rover. *I think it is worse than the 2 other rovers*
This is the first guard dog with a weapon that essentially requires melee range to apply its damage to targets. So getting it to trigger on enemies requires you to get rather close to enemies, and once the bot focuses on an enemy, it will *stick* to that enemy, far more than it will to you, making this stratagem a very strange, inefficient and unnecessary stratagem.
I have been reading alot of comments and posts about how many kills players have been getting with gas strike stratagem and charging in with the sterile sterilizer and of course the gas resistance armour, but in game, all of that, can be replaced with 1 stratagem - the fire orbital barrage stratagem. Sure it is a 4min cd stratagem, but most of the instances when you're using a gas strike and charging in, is during breaches, and fire barrage shuts down breaches better than anything I have seen in this game so far. Even running teslas to complement gas strikes felt unnecessary. I'd much rather rock the tesla alone and bring the fire barrage for breach lockdowns.
It makes zero sense to release armor that only partially protects you from the chemical agent. That's like cleaning out a hornet's nest with only half a suit.
HELLDIVERS, once the main mission is completed, we must clean the map. Extraction is a privilege! Good Diving!!!
I feel like the blindness and confusion effect from the new gas should be what the smoke items do
at the very least the blindness to make them more realistic and useful in covering a retreat like some bombs should be
In my testing and experimenting with the gas flamethrower is yes it’s meant to be for CC however I noticed that it makes the enemy attack erratically which in most cases at least for me attack their allies and kill them or bring them low enough to die from the DOT damage. As for the confusion effect I do feel it’s a little short but not too short to be completely useless, it’s helped me with dealing with/ managing two patrols of hunters with minimal damage from the few that had jumped at me.
I love the concept of crowd control as a build focus. However, there needs to be some advantages to go with the disadvantage of lower damage. Because after all, the best crowd control of all is simply destroying your enemy.
The whole point of this war bond is to slow down the enemies from overrunning us. With bugs AND bots, confusing them leaves us breathing room and enough time to call in air strikes before they know what’s going on. Being overwhelmed on max difficulty with be a memory if one helldiver plays support
Gas is actually rather neat if you have a Bug Breach and spray into that, Drop a stratagem on it and just wait without half of them running after you and leaving the impact area.
I want a stratagem that contains backpacks that do nothing than play the Super Earth anthem over and over.
Maybe if that Sterilizer closed bug-holes (which would seem logical), it would be the stratagem they were aiming for.
As interesting as the warbond is, I am nervous of the precedent this sets. If you have to pay REAL MONEY or grind hours to get enough of the in-game currency to get access to a warbond just for a new stratagem, this does not feel feasible to the Helldivers that are struggling monetarily.
Instead, if they want to introduce more Stratagems in a warbond instead of making us have to fight or liberate or kill for it, make that warbond like the Helldivers Assemble warbond is, accessible to everyone, and requires lots of MEDALS to gain your way up. This makes more sense, and we can keep some of the primaries and grenade types as well as skins in the premium warbond.
I like the dog breath rover because I can use pure dps and it keeps everything blinded and cant move, kinda like a shield but it does dmg
Combining elements such as fire, gas, and electricity could be an interesting concept.
The Torcher feels so good now. I was burning the hell out of things and could actually kill Hunters before they jumped at me. The Eruptor feels really solid as well. Both are strong but have a drawback as it is easy to hurt yourself if you aren’t careful. I also tried the Liberator Concussive and now I really like it. The massive magazine gives you crowd control and enough constant damage to hurt larger targets.
The new poison spray is… interesting. Watching the bugs go crazy and not attack is cool, but they take a while to die. I used it in a two man run and it didn’t really work that well. I don’t think it is bad, but I think it is for full groups only.
3 things. 1 break action shotgun for primary or even support. 2 computers across from the loadout need to serve some utility. 3 hellcliner for the flat screen.
its absolutely wild that a game will get such a surge in players from a patch that was only balance adjustments, no new content
Kinda bummed that the gas thrower doesn't leave even a short lived cloud. That would have been very nice.
I only wish they did not shadow nerf the HMG with this patch something like from 55 dur dmg to 35 and i felt that the moment i shot down a spore and a flying rat nest for 1 bag and 1/3 from 2/3 before patch, i wish i knew why
What id like to see is gas working like it does in deep rock galactic. You have the option to ignite it with fire to create a massive fiery explosion instead of the disorientation cloud
Good job arrowhead for returning back to the ground level, now let's move up and only up from here please, forgetting these past couple months while remembering the lessons we learned along the way
I feel kind of let down by gas. As someone who actively uses smoke, this feels more like an offensive smoke variant. It's still unique, however, I can't help but feel like we missed a huge opportunity to crack a niche wide open for weapons with high damage but low armor pen and/or durable dmg by corroding durable and armor values. Chemical weapons are a treasure trove of utility and offensive support and we kinda just... didn't.
I think with the changes, combining the Dog's Breath with the Flamethrower should be interesting.
Few things you didnt mention in your look at the Sterilizer. It has a loooot more range than the flamer. It can seriously disorient many enemies. I think it gives them a tiny range they can actually see. I hit a Bile Titan with a gas grenade, and no joke it turned and attacked in the wrong direction. Ill need to test it to know if that was a coincidence. Sterlizer with Rover backpack is amazing. I think a coordinated squad could really capitalize on it. I think the dog breath, grenades, and gas strike might be better uses for it gas in general. Fire and Gas together is a match made in heaven
The sterilizer has a big problem... it does not leave gas clouds!
Gasthrower doesn't leave toxic gases on the ground like gas grenades do. Or like its sidegrade, the Flamethrower (a jet of fire and puddles of napalm).
The G-4 gas grenade and the orbital are good to use for CC, I found the sterilizer just taking up a slot. it works but its use case is pretty weak.
The greatest strength is really keeping a bug breach contained, or taking the pressure off objectives that have bug breaches
I’ve noticed that every time I get hit by anything I break a limb. When it’s an arm I just live with it but if it is a leg you pretty much have to use a stim no matter your health
I don't really see the point of the new gas stuff, the confusion effect is not good enough and long lasting enough to make it worth a damn, the flamethrower's kill ability is far far more valuable in a game like HD2 than CC, doubly so since you are paying 10 bucks for only these 2 strategems we'd used to get for free. The patch was great, the warbond is not.
Try the Gas Orbital and Nades. Theyre amazing! The Sterilizer doesnt leave Gas clouds, thats the problem
What about flammable gas?
@@Alsborg The orbital gas strike is the only good one, the gas grenade is good but not 10 bucks good
@@nethandelwampa116 Could help give it another use case but that would still only work with the orbital gas strike and gas grenade, it wouldn't help salvage the sterilizer or sterilizer guard dog
Super dives used to be worth 50+ war score points before this patch, they’re currently worth 15…. We’re definitely failing this order because arrowhead can’t let a good thing be a good thing
My only real issue with this update and war bond lies in the amount of damage dealt to the helldiver. It kind of feels like with the amount of damage that you take you might as well just be naked. Even the smallest enemies can breathe on you and you have to heal because they did half damage to you. I had to switch to Heavy Armor and use the laser guard dog which I never use. Even the heavy armor feels like a gift wrapped in tissue paper provides more protection
I think they should add some features in the helmets. Like zoom option. Infrared. Night vision. Thermal. Target locking enemies. How does that sound?
Next warbond should include exploding pagers and walkie talkies you can place and remotely activate
There was remote c4 in the first game…. 😏
They should pair the gas stream with flamethrowers. The gas should be able to ignite and cause massive fire damage if hit with a flame. Would be cool to drench enemies with the gas stream then hit them with a crisper or other flame weapon. Would make for a nice team work opportunity as well
Gas works more like a strategic method of gaining the upper hand against enemies. Run Dog breath to confuse enemies, hoes them down with the flamethrower.
It's not the Warbond that sucks. It's the fact that they did the same as with the Fire Warbond again.
They nerfed the gas by turning it into something that sounded neat to them on paper but in practice was completely unnecessary.
So effectively. It's Fire Warbond all over again.
They just can't help themselves.
if they keep the gas then it would just powercreep the new flamer duh gas always does more damage than fire it's just that we have so many more ways to use fire while we only have 1 way to used gas before
With the rework to gas and the new war being pretty weak, it makes me think the devs are going to go right back to nerfing.
The new update was nice, but i was Expecting every weapon to get at least one buff.
People have a real problem with the strategy: concentrated fire.
People are trying to liberate way too many different planets. Claorell and Trandor are both currently at 0.5% decay. Those are the only planets that should be attacked right now.
I love it when numbers speak so loudly! So much for all those people claiming "game is dead"