Mac vs PC Build. Unobtainium Achieved?
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2020
- So the most important factors in my use case:
8 PCIe slots as I use 8 PCIe cards after merging two systems to one. This is what made hunting for an equivalent so difficult.
5U Footprint. Takes significantly less space, energy, peripherals and cables than before. Simplify!
Tons of ram: 384GB or more - futureproofed for large samples sets with up to 1.5TB of ram.
Triple 4K. Need to watch all the cat videos on the internetz.
SILENCE. This is an audio & music production environment. No Computer Noise. Period.
macOS. This is the ecosystem I use for the foreseeable future as I use specific Apple-only apps & need to be compatible with all my clients in the production pipeline.
Would love a “fly-on-the-wall” type video just seeing how you go about working on a project. No commentary necessary, just kind of seeing what you do/how you do it
Looking forward to production and synths videos!! 😊
You make the best point in one phrase "I don't have time to tinker". In my case I have purchased a Mac Pro specifically to prevent myself from wasting time working on the computer itself. And honestly a close second to that is that the Mac Pro is near silent. It's practically impossible to find a computer of this power that is this quiet.
@Ray Fabi Some people are Professional, and others are gamers. Thy to explain the difference of a WORKSTATION level graphics card and a gaming card to a gamer. You'll blow out an embolism, trust me....
Seems like youve struck gold, for your needs theres nothing better!
Also, Yes! more synth videos
I like this guy. We all need to be more open minded when it comes to these things. We aren't the CEO's of Microsoft or Apple so we don't need to get really defensive. Its just a discussion.
Would love to see more of your approach to composing, talking about the how and why of each track as you build a composition. Thanks for the channel. Really enjoyable.
Eliminating unknowns turns out to be the most genius thing ever, because of what those unknowns actually are... which I can speak to from experience. What happens is you become a great tech and not a working professional. :) Good on you, Neil. Glad to watch your channel.
Then there are these odd cases like myself where being a great tech lead to becoming a working professional great tech lol
Curious thing: The turbo button in the 486 actually made the computer slower, not faster :P
The more you know...
Depends which way round it was plugged in. I always had it set to out for fast since it looked better (matched the momentary reset button) and I never wanted to slow the machine down.
@@thisnthat3530 shait, if you put it that way, You can always use the buttons all wrong :D It is still wrong tho, just look at the MoBo documentation hahaha. Not arguing with the logic of the button making it slower (which is undeniably stupid). But most of the time when you purchased a PC from Compaq, or IBM, or whatever, at the time, the original setup would put Turbo button ON to slow down the clock of the machine.
@@gliderspace the logic behind slowing it down was to be backwards compatible
Glider you guys are over sharing 🤓
Looking forward to other videos..
Bring on the synthesizers. Take them apart even if you got the time
I truly enjoy your videos. You are the kind of user that Apple created this machine for. While I wish they had done several things differently, they did create a technical work of art, creating something in between a workstation and a server. Keep the videos coming dude!
Thank you, Neil, for the videos and for responding to my and others' comments. It was your professional attitude on the above which caused the discourse to be so civil and mature. Not just a McDonald's Professional but just a Professional, period!
Looking forward on videos about your logic templates and work flow.
Looking forward to some behind the scenes composition vids!
Found you from the Beyblade anime and I’m glad I did. I have to say, the music in that is amazing, especially Damian Hart’s Hades Drive theme! Well done for the great music!
Actually, that one is by Scott.
@@NeilParfittMusic They're great pieces of music. It's sad they aren't released :(
Great analogy to the fridge. Your Mac is the right tool for your job.
You are so right, Neil. I'm guilty of writing long tirades about how PCs are so much more efficient. yadda yadda. As a pro, your work is what's important, and paying a premium, if not just for compatibility with your clients or other shops, or using what you enjoy, is worth the "Apple tax" in many ways. Thanks for the explanation.
The fact that you invested into a tool that disappears for you when you're in "your flow state" is #PERFECTION!
Nice work on all the past videos. Would love to see some compositional videos where you go from idea to multi-tracked score queue, to finished "mastered track" if you do that in your work... Cant wait for more - I enjoy your content - and thanks for being down to earth. :)
Thanks for the kind words, Pete! Yes I’m figuring out a way to do this. I might reopen something that’s old - as I can’t post anything that I’m in the middle of working on for (obvious reasons).
@@NeilParfittMusic Or maybe just an original tune specifically for demo purposes? Then maybe we can see how you layer different plugins to create various "moods" or something? I dunno ... just ideas. Or, maybe: how does your "creative process" for building ideas differ from a recording session, where you're turning that idea into an actual finished piece? Would you start that project in one DAW / app / whatever, then import it, and work on finishing / sequencing it in another DAW, etc... I find those kinds of insights into each persons creative processes really interesting!
@@PeteKowalsky Neil, maybe do the Spitfire demo, or your equivalent?
486 with a Turbo button. Man, that brings back memories. Also, bring back front panel LEDs! lol
The “fun stuff” is exactly what I’m looking forward to! As a composer and audio engineer for over 25 years now, seeing the absolute top level production setup and workflow is my “porn” so to speak... can’t wait buddy!!!
Man I totally understand you.
Although personally, I'm coming from the electrical engineering side.
Seeing all these things work together so flawlessly blows my mind in unimaginable ways.
I appreciate your viewpoint and am shocked there was a moderately civil discourse. I think so many of us forget that these are just tools. The fun part is what you do with it in the end.
Some music production tips would be awesome. I recently listened to your “Bakugan - Battle Brawlers” soundtrack and was amazed at how you were able to “mix” all these different genres into several coherent pieces of music or a coherent score for that matter. I’m looking forward to it!
Thanks! Actually that was one of my first shows I wrote on... and interestingly enough, my orchestral sampler computer was a hackintosh.. 13 years ago! Pimped out with 4Gb ram and a 4core overclocked to 3ghz! Lolz! And .. I did it out of my basement apartment.
Initially it was smooth sailing, but eventually the hiccups were more of a problem so that’s when the sample computers all went to Mac in 2009 for beyblade.
That mod synth video is going to be good
honestly, just a Year or two back i was more or less a mac hater, having had to use one in scool and finding it lackluster. But even just after your first Video about the mac pro i could easily understand why somebody would need a mac for this kind of Work. thanks for the Information and Entertainment
Hey Neil, I think a tutorial series, or overview of your hardware modular synth gear would make for some great content, and I’d appreciate your teaching and explanation style regarding that hardware.
Hey just to let you know that thanks to your videos now I'm considering a rackmount computer myself just to save space!!! I actually have my desktop on top of my desk!
Awsome videos Neil! Could you make some creating different patches with you modular? I’m really interested in seeing it in action as an instrument.
Thanks for the great content!
Here’s to the fun stuff!
Honest to god, I always thought the PC vs Apple was just a marketing gimmick but some people truly do embody it, they polarize them self to a company and take it to heart and will fight for it and scream and curse for it and will be plain offensive. It creates for a good show. Keeps things entertaining at best.
Can’t wait for your next video!
Cheers,
Nick from Toronto
Yeah it’s hilarious ... like Mac and PC are both x86... just like I have a golf gti and my bud has a golf r and they’re both Volkswagens. Do I get mad at him for having a different model?? Haha fuck no. Who cares!
Interesting hearing your views - I totally agree having come from the frustration of the PC. Incidentally, in my day job I am now back on a PC (after about 7 years) ... and I hate it. Just the little things are annoying like the control button in the wrong place - etc. To the big things like the Dell not having enough RAM which means I have to reboot just to free up some more.
Could we have a few videos on your workflow - how you Spot for your shows or how your develop your synth-sounds for your sound effects....
Keep it up Neil.
The McDonalds Professional is the creamcheese icing on the CAKE that is this collection. This guy is a BLAST!
You're a good man.
The ARM transition will make or break Apple in music production. It really needs to be seen if most audio software will be able to transition.
We’ve been through this before with ppc to Intel, 32-64bit, isa to pci to pcix to pcie and on and on and on: the March of end users getting screwed 😂
"Triple 4K. Need to watch all the cat videos on the internetz.
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So many people just don't understand the need for multiple monitors.
Once you go multimonitor you can't go back.
@@MaheerKibria Even two, for Logic/FCP/Photoshop/graphics etc. Any app that you can break out separate panels... a viewer in FCP, palettes in graphics programs, the Logic mIxer.... to declutter your main working space. Even as an amateur, i love being able t do this. And as Maheer says, "You can't go back!
Yes, you are pointing out the exakt reasons why I got one as well (tough only 16 core)
Great Shirt!
Totally down to talk synths!
Moving on from the Mac Vs PC debate, can we see how you go about making a modular patch on the eurorack rig and how you feed it into your DAW?
I‘ll raise a glass to the tools that toil away in a dark dusty corner all day to enable what we do. But just once. :) To the back-ends. Now on to the fun stuff. Is Sylenth1‘s distortion still cool or what. The most flexible eq for mixing? Pro-Q3 for me for neverending possibilities and easy overview. Omnisphere, do you use any of your synth hardware as controllers ? Favorite knobs to control stuff with, Midifighter Twister with chroma caps. What do you use if any ?
Yes as you said when it come to the professional recording world you need something that just works. As far as the Mac Pro do not know how fast it is going to move to AXXX processors. When they do come out with a Apple AXXX Mac Pro the chipset will have been running macOS / Unix for some time. After all Apple has run IOS / Unix, iPadOS / Unix for years on AXXX chipsets. As always it will come down to the software, and hardware support to move forward to support the AXXX chipset.
I'm a pc guy for for music production Mac is the way to go. Been a great series looking forward to some synth stuff
The thing about the Mac Pro is that it's become just a straight-up status symbol in our nerdy tech world. It's like "I can afford this super expensive machine, therefor I am successful, and you all are just lowly bottom feeders", which really brings out the ego-based (and more likely jealousy-based) argumentation on social media. I got mine for exactly the same reason you did... being able to harness a million little pieces into a single unit that just works and allows me to get through the day without a lot of grief. I never showed it off on social media (except for in one very specific professional tech-based group, as part of a larger discussion about how adept the mac mini is for mixing large film projects) because I didn't want to attract scrutiny or people chastising me for spending my money this way. You did it like a champ however, and in the process helped a lot of folks make sense of it, like me! Kudos to you, good sir.
Thanks! Yes I had people saying I did it for ‘status’. Meanwhile in the studio, you can’t even see it! It’s fully out of sight! Haha!
Also... “HOW DARE YOU SPEND YOUR MONEY ON SOMETHING I DONT WANT” 😀
"let's move on" YES!!
Hey Neil, what are some of the coolest and rarest synthesizers that you ever got a chance to play/ own?
love the cat leia should be a range of T shirts different star wars wigs on cats, I only want 20%
In the buyers guide you forgot to mention how on the rack one you can open the side panel without un plugging everything but the tower one you cant
When you buy high end server all your choices are limited firmware, i/o cards, drivers. This to make support more streamline and eliminate as much unknowns as possible. Some vendors even have custom server software editions. So in my mind it is all good. Does your kit do the task you need it to do at the end of the day? Also your needs might not be same as someone else.
Found your channel because i recently upgraded my 5,1. Now im stuck watching your videos. Can you release some of your songs and orchestras here ? And maybe at the end of them go through ( highlevel ) how you made them??
I am 100% with you Neil, I hate variables to deal with these days. It should all be an appliance grade setup.
Facts!!!
I kept thinking there was a cat in my house and getting really confused
completely agree Neil ! with having to do a bunch of corporate paperwork, taxes, licenses, invoices, contracts etc and then add creation of music to it.. why does one need more on your plate? dont want to hire a slew of IT support and the downtime when something does not work hits your pocket book directly! for all these reasons, I moved to mac in 2004 and never looked back as it is perfect for my needs. I now have the 2019 tower working like a champ on logic pro - tight integration , a choice made to prevent more headaches. All systems can make hit records. IMHO Its all about the workflow and what kind of downtime or headaches one is prepared to deal with.
Mac Pro vs. an Epyc based system... given your requirements, i would go with the mac pro. yeah the epyc is going to give you more performance and more options but it doesn't give you the software that you use and i can't say "Find alternative software on Windows of Linux" but i can say if you have the option and the software supports it, I would look into setting up a secondary system for processing, storage and any other needs you might have that the mac can't take care of itself. but that's really up to you if you need that type of computer as a secondary machine.
Do you have a workflow workaround for the Bounce to Quicktime. Since this no longer works in Catalina. Crucial part for approval in short form production. What used to be a quick bounce process has now turned in to a inconvenient production involving laybacks in FCP/Premier 😡
Yep, I use Videoslave. It’s pretty quick to run off a screener, as a second step.
Hey, I’ve made my own music for quite some years now and have just opened my own studio, was a 2012 MBP, then PC for a short period, now back to iMac. I upgraded it to full spec for the model, 2017, i7, 32gb, replaced HDD with SSD. In every aspect it is a beast compared to before.
But pro tools seems to not play well at times. I think it could be older plugins I’m using.
But then I’m wondering if it’s avid wanting you to get the HDX, could you do a video talking about HDX and it’s implementation with pro tools and how it compares to non HDX work flows please. Just because I’d like to hear your take on it.
Side note, I one day hope to have an awesome set up like you, that wall of gear is just 🤤😍
Oh and btw I also own a gaming/video editing PC. So I sometimes compare what the programs run like on either of them. For fluidity, Mac all day long. But performance wise, the desktop form factor with adequate cooling performs great.
@@eternalstudios4749 Is the HDX obsolete? Check out the link and decide for yourself.
ua-cam.com/video/I2RMSksm9WE/v-deo.html
What do you think about apple changing to arm now and basically guaranteeing discontinued updates in 5+ years and from now on intel based systems will need to have their software developed separately and will be legacy version so to speak. I have a Mac Pro and I’m mad about it lowkey.
I think it's a good idea in the long run. I also think if we waited for 7 years, we could have held out few more for an Apple ARM machine. This feels no different than the PPC to intel flip. The machine was the backbone of my studio and helped me make money, well after intel stuff came out. Same with the Mac Pro now. Even if they release a computer in a year, this machine will still be a beast for 3-5 years. Only difference between now and the G5 back in 2004/5 is that these current machines are actually fast :)
GOOGIE! 1:20
Something I think is a cool conversation is .mod vs. .midi idk if tracker music is your thing at all.
love the videos! you should make a discord group! unless you already have one?
Indeed , Mac has built a good computer that will last for a while. I didn't have that cash so I went with 10980XE and X299 Sage/10G. The opencore 0.6.0 iso just meant 2 clicks to build the USB key. The geekbench is close enough. It runs Protools HD native , Uad's , RME card, Blackmagic . It stays in a machine room so no noise issues. Mac is better obviously but I can get my work done with this.
I watched this entire series and it's AMAZING... You really do know your stuff. The AVID MTRX was a great insight. What do you use the MADI for? I have never used it, but it seems to be a high speed interface with LOTS of channels. How do you go from MADI to audio, or am I just a dunce?
Thanks!
So madi is wider digital pipeline - you can think of it like adat optical, but 64ch vs 8 (@48k) and you can also span insane lengths (like a mile or more!).
I use it to route logic into the MTRX (192ch total) and also to get all my analog synths into the system from dedicated converters. Also use it coming from the computer to feed the same converters to get automation control back to the synthesizers.
I will do a deep dive on this stuff - I’ve just been slammed lately.
The MTRX is handling all format conversion as well as being the primary interface for protools hdx. It’s awesome and has made things soooooo much easier.
@@NeilParfittMusic Thank you very much for the prompt response. I too go back to the days of Emagic and Glyph drives and yadda yadda. Your setup is MOST impressive, and I'm glad that the RackPro was able to digest all of your hardware cards. Those are NOT cheap and I understand how it is when you get used to a workflow, and have to adapt due to OS changes and update/upgrades. Highly frustrating. But that you can crush all of that into your new Mac and the AVID is just AWESOME. Having a trashcan Mac and a whole bunch of TB extensions is just silly. Also, that setup you did with Logic playing and synched with ProTools Recording is TIGHT! (pun intended in light of Big Ben... AHAHHA!!) Thanks again, Sir Guru!
You know that you can "hackintosh" a 486? basically you can insteall next step on it which is the os which was used as a base to develop os x
I always compare my mac with my fridge. It's such a good analogy. I used to be a system admin myself so I know this is hard for pc users to get their head around that. What is the isolation index of your fridge? and power per degree ratio? have you tried replacing the compresor so that food cools 20% faster? Do you even care? What would you do if your fridge, stopped working randomly once every so often and you had to throw away food. It's a little bit like that for mac users, you might not have the perfect fridge but as long as it does it's job it fine. When you have more budget, you just buy a better fridge or the newer model of your current fridge
I love the analogy, however i'd not buy a fridge that have so many apple problems and such a bad service, at least where i live. I really like mac os, used it for a years, but price to performance and common problems with their hardware are a deal kill for me. I went to hackintoshing for now, don't have any problems with it and i wait for the next moves from apple, i may switch to windows, or buy new apple silicon mac pro.
@@ignacymat Sure, there are many appliances in the house. My guess is that hackintosh is a bit like an oven. A place to experiment and try new recipes, but need to look after. Pc in this analogy would probably like a Tv, a dime a dozen and can build up to be huge entertainment systems. The analogy is actually the time and effort you put into these appliances vs the acceptable tolerance level. All appliances can have problems. But failing sometimes, or having to keep an eye on it is less acceptable for a fridge. Fridges we just expect them to be plugged and run. But I understand you
How often do you use your Morpheus? I don’t rate the presets much but I do rate the weighty sound quality.
The outboard synths, modular aside, very sporadically. More of a passion project and paying homage to certain vibes during some cartoon music spoofs.
The Morpheus was repurposed into a eurorack module though for a stereo filter with the z plane stuff even more powerful than the original / it sounds great!
100% !!!!
That t shirt 👌
Just to chime in about threaripper for audio:
Low latency performance with threadripper is crippled. Culprit may be because it's more than one die. You actually lose performance when you use threaripper with low buffer sizes, which in return is crucial for scoring work if you play things by yourself. This same occurence can be seen on dual cpu systems.
There is also magical number of 32. If you go over 32 Threads kontakt can't balance the load properly anymore for some reason. This also causes odd performance issues, and kontakt is basically must have for work that Neil does. I can't comment how EW Play handles stuff, but I know it's slow and poorly optimized so I don't have high hopes it performing better.
Sources: (These go more deeply into why this stuff happens, if you are interested.)
www.scanproaudio.info/2018/08/24/threadrippers-2990wx-2950x-on-the-bench-just-a-little-bit-of-history-repeating/
www.scanproaudio.info/2017/08/14/first-look-at-the-amd-threadripper-1920x-1950x/
www.scanproaudio.info/2019/07/12/amd-ryzen-3600-3700x-3900x-dawbench-tested-3-is-it-the-magic-number/
www.scanproaudio.info/2020/02/27/2020-q1-cpus-in-the-studio-overview/
Hope this gets pinned so people can see.
Neil - It will be interesting to see if anything happens when the Nvidia ARM acquisition is done, especially considering the somewhat frosty relationship that apparently exists between Nvidia and Apple. Wondering if Apple will be required to license ARM tech from Nvidia, in which case sticking with AMD GPUs doesn't make a huge amount of sense.
Apple won't be sticking with AMD GPUs either way. They'll be transitioning to their own just as they will with their other processors.
Back to ER-301? :D
Yes please show some music composition in your DAW and lets enjoy some creativity :)
Neil my friend... for some reason I'm in so much love with the soundtrack you produced in the Beyblade Metal Fight series called 'Predicament'. I was only able to find it on youtube because and it is extended to 10 minutes of it but with bad quality... I'm heart broken that I cannot find it anywhere. I always rewatch all of the 3 Fusion, Masters, and Fury. When I hear that incredible ost I cry out of nostalgia and because it's very sad round about the violin part. So please Neil if you would only release it to youtube or somewhere I would be so happy! 😢
Sadly, I can't release any of it due to tons of legalities. But also - I'm not sure which piece of music it is, as all these OST names are fan-made :)
@@NeilParfittMusic Oof, I just felt a huge punch in my chest...
But, no worries. You can type 'Beyblade metal fight ost predicament' and you will see the first one pop up which is about 11 minutes long 😊
Software really needs to be OS agnostic
oh! where's the cat t-shirt??? hmm ok… there are some meows…! hahaha
If your mac has to run all the time and never go to sleep, can do a "Lock Screen" allowing the mac to run in the background then turn off the monitors.
When when you need to do work, turn on the monitors, log back in thought a pin code, under windows 10 I can do what-ever to the computer.
I know there is a "Lock Screen" in macOS. Hope This Helps 😎(❁´◡`❁)
I need that shirt
He's like the Dad I never had. Even if I am older. Adopt me lol
So, you're saying if it weren't for the pipeline you and people you work with using Mac, you would've jumped ship a long time ago?
Synths Synths Synths !!!!!!
Let Composing be the next subject please, thanks.
And yes, nice to see convivial, polite and informative comments. Maybe that's self-selecting, as the NVidia/AMD GPU fanboy fights are pretty unlikely to spill over here into the more professional areas of YT.
Gamers, eh? 😀
My whole attitude towards technology is to get what best suits your use case at the best value for your $, and screw anybody who gives you a hard time for your choice!
The major cost for companies isn't service. It's downtime aka lost revenue. Same with trains.
Are you taking on any interns?
ohn, He's talking about me :D
Glider Hahahaha
@@Trav0m0f0 wat... I assume I'm not an easy person to deal with through UA-cam comments. Although I'm better personally :D
Hey, Neil, I've much enjoyed your Mac videos, but have you given any thought to business continuity? I assume you do backups and the like, but how quickly could you recover from the loss of your Mac? Let's say one of the surrounding pieces of kit caught fire and destroyed it and the other components of the rack. Or perhaps a mouse got inside and pissed all over the mainboard. How quickly could Apple and the suppliers of your add-in cards supply you with replacements? If your work is time-critical and you can afford it, it might be a good idea to have a whole Mac Pro plus cards as a spare sitting at home. The loss of your studio is another level I hope you've also considered.
Well, the Mac is 20k, the cards within are 25k, the supporting rackmount kit is another 30 or more.. there’s no way I could have duplicates.
On the plus, I could emergency order a tower or whatever, and be back up and running at bare minimum in 3-4 days as I have current clones of all system and data on hand and off site
@@NeilParfittMusic It's good that you've thought it through. Too many businesses don't.
Quentin Stephens I’ve had a catastrophe before - when I had the studio at my house 8 years ago , there was this insane downfall and the entire neighborhood sewage system got so overwhelmed that all our homes flooded along with mega sewage backup. Nightmare level. Heh, of course my studio was in the basement.
I am a developer in the hackintosh scene (with the nickname ITzTravelInTime) and i can tell you that original machine are always the best choiche for people like you, because it's macOS, it comes with support and all of that stuff and it's pain free compared to any other solution, all haters are just people whose can't afford them, if you were a windows guy you could just have asked to pudget systems for a workstation pc which comes with all of their professional support
"all the haters are people who can't afford them"
That point is idiotic. Are there some who just have a hateboner for Apple? Yes, you find that in every community, but a great deal of the criticism isn't just "I hate this just because". It's far more substantial. Such as the reparability point, Apple fails pretty hard when it comes to repair. When I'm looking into a computer system, one the first things I look at is reparability. You'd be surprised how many issues can be resolved simply by swapping out the RAM. The main reason why the new Mac Pro is so much better than the trash can is just the flexibility afforded by making damn near everything use standard ports and slots.
When I saw that "trash can" mac pro, my thoughts were "oh, look at this poser" but when I see this new cheesegrater, I have more respect for the people who buy it.
And honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that Neil uses Mac only apps, he probably would've jumped ship a long time ago.
@@ZeldagigafanMatthew man i was joking about that haters part, you took it too seriously, my point was just that he made the best choiche for him with an original mac pro
@@piecaruso97 Then I'm taking your post even less seriously.
@@ZeldagigafanMatthew "but when I see this new cheesegrater, I have more respect for the people who buy it." The fact that your respect for someone could be dictated by what machine they decide to purchase, with their own money, says enough. That's utterly moronic. Everyone holds different values and has different needs with their machines. You've come off as very shallow.
"And honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that Neil uses Mac only apps, he probably would've jumped ship a long time ago." You clearly did not listen to him when he gave his reasons for staying with and purchasing his Mac Pro. Mac only apps was only a piece of the puzzle.
People say: Buy the best thing for your job.
Some people buy macs due specific reasons (like Thunderbolt, Software, performance, specific hardware etc) - people say: YoU sHoUlD hAvE bOuGhT aN Pc iTś ChEaPeR!! without understanding the reason people bought a machine in the first place and show a differnt configuration with different features or limitations.
Not only this, but some people buy Macs just because of macOS. I used to really like Windows (grew up on it). I still use my "gaming" computer I built around 7-ish years ago, but since getting a MacBook, and using macOS, I like Windows a LOT less.
Magic words if you save hour day by just working (its pay for in 2 year if your charging going rate ) I really like to here your thoughts on what do you really need (talent is the only think you can't buy ) But i got really nice pre amp basic audio interface and Old mac 5,1 logic midi keyboard and some ok monitors the rest is up to me !!!! Yes a nice mic would be nice but if you heard me sing its not that important (LOL) I am Pure for fun but hope to make stuff that dose sound like S**** love your stuff jenI
All you need is a tool to realize your idea - anything as simple as a phone to a computer with a usb mic to a more fleshed out audio interface with pre’s and on and on it goes. The mid and high end is either squeezing the last few % of quality to have the best or solving challenges that nutty deadlines bring to get it done faster without the compromise.
Talent can’t be bought as you said :)
I’ll be making a video of my portable mini studio soon too. It can do so much, yet fit In a little carryon case.
Cheers!
N
Totally distracted by the typewriter. Does it have a USB or Bluetooth upgrade yet?
Here Here!
Let the microphone flame war begin. I'll go first SM 57 is the best mic in the world - now and forever!
Good luck recording a Grand Piano or an Orchestra with it ;-)
i need that shirt, weeb over here
I love sleep... You just convinced me not to build a hackentosh😡😡😡
So having your OS update and break your software isn't an unknown?
That's an unknown on ANY platform, which is why 'never update your system mid-gig' is the Ultimate rule.
@@NeilParfittMusic Words of wisdom to never be forgotten and actually written above any computer.
@@NeilParfittMusic Hah, absolute truth.
As a sysadmin and tinkerer in my free time I get to see what updates can do quite often lol
Yesterday for example a BIOS update absolutly tanked my RAM OC and any performance of Windows, making everything crash after a few seconds to minutes of running.
If I was using that PC productively, I'd have lost a bunch of money from that incident.
So what's the machine?
Nvm, looks like you've got a bunch of videos about this 😄
R D haha! It’s ok!
Mac Pro Rack, 28core, 384gb Ram and lots of third party ssd and pcie cards for dsp professing
Synthesizers... "ears perk" say WOT ??? LOL Now yer talkin' !!!
Could Apple have done things any better in your opinion? Is there anything you would change? No one would say your setup does not work but a lot PCs can have 8 PCIe slots as seen in the video link below. There is nothing significant about a 5 RU rackmount case. Most PC are 4 RU or less. Wouldn't dual Xeons be a good spec to have? One spec I would have preferred to see on the Mac Pro is the RAM, CPU and PCIe slot be on the same side of the motherboard. Having them on the opposite sides makes your Mac Pro bigger than it needs to be. .
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Absolutely -
- should have been dual Xeon or AMD
- standard m.2,
-pcie 4
-None of this T2 bullshit
-downgradable to any 64bit capable macOS
- standard size pcie power headers
- more tb3 on the tower instead of a wasted I/o card
- lose the silly 1/8” audio output
- included cage for 3.5” drives instead of an option
- included six power cables
- lockable chassis without a 3rd party addon
- no lower lip on the rear of the tower so you can pop the case off without unplugging everythin
The 1U extra doesn’t matter in my case, but it’s obvious they did this so the motherboard was identical with the tower vs a second variant of a thing they’ll sell a blip of vs iPads and iPhones.
Entry pricing should have been the same as previous generations instead of this ridiculous barrier of entry.
@@NeilParfittMusic You should do a video on things you wish you could change on the Mac Pro. I would want it to fit in a flight case myself but I had to do open mic night.
We should do a collaboration video where we exchange MIDI files on floppy disk and play them back on MIDI sound modules. Let people see the old school sound modules in action and realize the power of the floppy drive for music creation. I have the MU 50 as seen in the video below.
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Ah yes, praise people for having a civil conversation and then call someone a douche bag, I like your style.
Well, he was the only one being .. well.. a total douche :)
@@NeilParfittMusic I was going for constructive criticism but its a bit of a tightrope sometimes.
@@texyrexy Sometimes? More like every single time.
@@wzpu3283 Ha! Good one Daniel, you free for a roast on Sunday?
@@texyrexy Why wait? Everyday is good for roasting, and I reside on a rotisserie.
Ooohhh oooh I want to be the douche bag this time!
Computers are NOT appliances, by any means.
I was being metaphorical :)
But damn, an embedded system that never changed would be sweet
I don’t like it when PC guys are like “ You can get the San performance for half the money on PC” specs on paper isn’t everything. Apple’s devices are so well they don’t need a ton of specs. It’s the same way how a tiny little 4 cylinder car can beat a V8 car in a drag race. Specs are not the end all be all
The reason why PC and Mac users talk together like that is because you and your working case is so far removed from the usual points of contention than PC and Mac users cause to clash than what they've previously known. :) The other thing is, the average PC or Mac user is not going to watch your videos because it's not related to their own use case.
For your specific scenario, the new MacPro fits like a glove but only because of the mac-specific programs you use. So in reality, the hardware was never being challenged due to software requirements. The fact that you had to wait that long for a proper machine to show up, and that you were more or less forced to use the inconveniences that came with trashcan Mac in itself is testament to how little Apple understood the industrial needs back then. They just did their "true and tried approach" of "style first, substance later" which they got so used to over the years. As a former Mac user, I find this saddening.
I am glad that they finally picked up the gauntlet again and conjured up a machine that is worthy of the name "MacPro" again and I'm glad that professionals like you get the correct tool for the job again. We can only hope that you are not going to miss out in the future because of all the Apple Silicon ruckus and the requirement for dual-support (x86 and ARM). Apple had at least the understanding to still provide MacOS support for the old Macpros prior to the Trashcan too, because those were (and still are) in use.
So again, the challenge you put out was never about hardware, it was about software :) The only reason to get a new Macpro is to venture on with the Apple-speciifc software and proper performance. And for that, the new MacPro is worth it (also because you as a user are smart enough to make the upgrades yourself and basically only buy the baseline model. That saves you a lot of money too and due to the choice of the upgrades you get more performance out of it too). Outside of Apple specific software, the Macpro is not worth it's money as you can even achieve similar levels of stability and ease of use with Windows 10. Just like the MacPro is not intended for the ordinary user, a properly configured Windows10 workhorse is also not maintained by the ordinary user :) And I say that despite greatly disliking Windows 10.
What I really want in the future is working software that is it's own bootloading operating systems. Basically no need to run an OS around it, only the main requirements for the program to run. This will greatly improve performance and the OS becomes irrelevant. I still think we're not going to see that for 10 years to come though... which is sad. Someone should start kicking in that door.
I very much appreciate the content that you put out about the Macpro, but your grounded attitude towards the entire hodgepodge around it, and the insights you provide into the actual working mechanisms of certain industries was MUCH more worth it. I am glad youtube recommended me your channel because of the Macpro. Because I found something and someone much more valuable than just another MacPro walk-and-talk :) I found a relatable person with reasonable requirements. Keep on rocking, Mr. Parfitt :)
Thanks man! And oh yes, I'm very critical about plenty-an-Apple but for now anyway, the pros still greatly outweigh the cons. There could be a time when I jump back to windows again, But relaly hope would be retired by then hehehe. Thanks for listening and contributing!
Only if you’re not in the music tech scape:
Also we do see dedicated software a ton in the audio landscape - embedded systems that only do what they’re designed to do, don’t crash and boot in seconds - it’s in everything from synthesizers, mixers, processing equipment etc. this is also why I can turn on a digital synth from 1986 and it still works. And thankfully, communication standards are still completely supported so they can be used! Unlike,.. pretty much any software and computer older than 10 years, and even then, only if those online license activation servers still even exist. Ughhh.
Both pc and mac have gone a long ways since back in the day.
@@NeilParfittMusic My bad, I should've clarified that I meant DAWs specifically :) Or just any edit/work intensive software like video editing / 3d animation / 3d sculpting / basically everything CAD / and so on. The digital synths, multieffect pocessors, modular audio world and such are more the likes of firmware specifically tailored to the cause.
That is why in terms of performance you have ASIC > FPGA > ARM > x86 when it comes to doing one specific thing because you exactly know that one thing it needs to do and craft the firmware an software around it. The broader you get (up to x86) the more horsepower you need to compensate for the many hoops you have to jump through, but it has the advantage that it "runs everything". As for communication standards, I am desperately looking forward to midi 2.0 ... and you? :)
I am personally looking at XMOS chips for creating a hardware solution for a prototype that I want to make for showcasing a proof of concept to get funds to get it into proper FPGA / ASIC manufacturing.
And yes that constant online need is getting out of hand quickly. Especially with all the subscription based stuff where you do not even have the OPTION to be offline. I'm all for piracy protection and the like, so I'm all for hardware dongles that serve that purpose just fine. Which is another thing the MacPro thought about with that internal USB slot. Too bad that one dongle isn't enough :D
Same goes for unfinished software that is being pushed out. The gaming industry is by far not the only area where this happens all the time.
"It's not a bug, it's a feature!"
I can only hope that people are continued to be fed up and require a better product that they spend their money on. I'm curiously following the ongoing development of the Reaper DAW which already has a Linux native client too. It's slim, lightweight and gets more and more upgrades. In time, when it's midi capabilities are good enough, I might even switch from Cubase. One-time purchase model. Same thing I like with Davinci Resolve. Buy once, keep forever.
But it doesn't help with small working individuals. They don't have the necessary impact. It's people like you who have the necessary curriculum and acumen to be a representative voice, backed up by many individuals to push for a change. I understand that certain programs are just industry standard, like AVID carved out for example. The problem is that they stopped pushing the envelope and stopped trying to be the best software solution to justify the pricetag. They intentionally stagnate for customer dependancy. This is the reason Adobe is slipping, intel got their butt handed to them by AMD and Avid is more and more often regarded as a necessary kludge that you just have to live with.
In any event, thanks for a random piece of inspiration on your Westworld scoring competition video. I haven't listened to the tracks, only your opinion on it, and how uniqueness sells because playing it safe is a trend that ceases to be commercially viable. Drafting a mystical, spooky but fun piece of score. Thanks man :)
@@Khunvyel I think IZ Radar is generally doing, Its just meant to be a daw, but as always it would be hardware bound. Then it becomes expensive as the hardware should be doing more. I understand it still has OS underneath but I think the cost of building your own operating system just to run your own software is to much of a hassle. I dont think someone will do that. OS are basicaly your foundation and most will just build on that. Other than that the closest technology that doesnt require the OS, is recording to tape. DAWS are basicaly tape machines at the end of the day minus the hassle.