What's cheaper in the REAL WORLD? An EV or a 30 year old PETROL (turbo automatic!)
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- I met up with Lee aka The MacMaster for some lunch, which meant using the public charging network. You won't believe the maths of this one...! What's cheaper, a 1994 Volvo 850 T5 Turbo Saloon or a 2020 Porsche Taycan 'Save The Planet' Electric Battery Vehicle?
You'd think the Taycan should run on nothing but cow farts and windmills, so it would cost 50p to fill the tank and wipe the floor with the old Volvo eh? Well, not so much.
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Judging by this video, it's Quentin Wilson who is the nut job! What a plank!!
Wilson a BBC man pumping the gummint narrative
I'll tell you what is going to happen next QW will flex, and Lee will have to do a piece to camera for the accusations posted by the mouth breathers in the comment section. Probably be his best performing Vlog off the month.
MM must've been rubbing his hands together when he was loosely mentioned.then he got the Kleenex out😂
It's funny, isn't it? When you watch ye ole topgear, and you look at Clarkson, and you look at Quentin, and at Clarkson, and at Quentin, one of them is a weird, yet likeable funky dude, the other is a cunt.
Wrong. Your grandchildren will be cursing you for what you have done to the world that they are going to have to live in.
He's probably being paid to say it too.
If it was ever about saving the environment, we'd be upgrading old cars to keep them running smoothly, and a life of at least 20 to 30 years
I just scrapped my car, it was a 2006 with 93,000 miles. It had a heater matrix failure (dashboard out job) and the sub frame was rusted badly. Not easy to keep cars for 20-30 years on UK roads.
@@usefulrandom1855 Lada by any chance ?.
In December I was forced into taking my old car off the road. The rot had become structural, so would have been expensive. Add in electrical ground and other mechanical systems that were nearing end of life and it just was not viable. It had been my mother's last car. She was 60 when she bought it and had put 200,000 miles on it in 25½ years. I drove it another 8½ years and added another 200,000. The automatic gearbox was original. 35-37mpg on the highway was not too bad for a 1990 Volvo 240DL estate with a bit over 400,000 miles.
Have you ever been to a city which has lots of dinosaur fueled vehicles? Remove them and the air is clean. Not so hard to understand why EVs are cleaner.
Our 20 year old Corolla just passed its MOT, again. We have been expecting to scrap it for the last 5 years, every year it passes. The environmental cost of manufacturing the car is now amortised over two decades.
Here we go - Geoff and Lee have just proved that Wilson fella is talking bollocks. 😆
Just the same as his WarrantyWise ad.
Wonder what electric quentins rr velar uses,
@@keithavian8129 It's maybe the Shell special formula electric that EVM tried convincing people was real one April fool's day. 😂
Quentin is clearly a paid shill. However, he's still happy to make money from writing about classic cars too. Hypocrite.
Seems like Wilson is a paid mouth piece but if not he is lacking in knowledge of engineering.
How can a car maker make an EV when they can't even make electric fans that don't fail within three years?
Engineering that's how.
Maybe the fans are made in China.
What about less moving parts on an EV so they don't go wrong😂
What has the world come too.
The one on the wall in my shitter has lasted longer than 10 years already!
4 tyres for the Porsche costs more than the whole Volvo cost lol
At least an EV can do 0-60 in three seconds
Which is very handy when you’re delivering milk
And if you want to make your passengers sick 🤢
And you get 20 tickets doing this , 20 is plenty
It's very handy when you're sitting in UK traffic..... Stationary
Milk shake will be made.. at least.
or stuck behind a tram in a traffic jam!
Quentin Willson tries to be witty but is more like a slick spiv, whereas these 2 gents are genuinely funny and informative.
Oh, of course, QW used to be with the BBC - disinformation specialists - nuff said!
Would you buy a used EV off Quentin ?.
Do you really find either of them funny?
@@joetheox1202 Funnier than you Haha
Quentin has a BBC diploma in misinformation and bias, it is mandatory for any BBC employee
Well... I never did like that shirt lifter Quentin , BBC fodder says it all...
it's like his broom.... had it 25 years, 7 new heads and 5 new sticks....
If Quentin Wilson told me it was raining…. I would go to the window and check.
Well if he didn’t say where it was raining……
Got to add the cost of all the food and coffee's you end up having while waiting for it to charge !
Yes, you can’t just have a coffee whilst staring at those muffins behind the counter
Charge takes 15 minutes. The time taken to go to the bog, have a crap or a piss, wash your hands and walk back out. Not to mentuion the time needed for a leg stretch which is absolutely essential for long journeys. I have had a Skoda Enyaq for 15 months. I have done some long journeys. I have yet to use a public rapid charger.
And the medical bills for pills and such to deal with Diabetes...
Volvo wins all day every day 🎉
Volvo just sounds better. Edit: in addition to being superior in all other ways.
@kampar82 Not modern Volvo's though, they're Chinese.
@@johnharrison373 Fully agree.
@@johnharrison373My V90 was built in Torslanda,,,so
@@GG-ml3vr Still a Chinese company...
"If you want a 4 door Porsche"
you seriously need therapy
more like a nutjob
David Beckham ,Brad Pitt and Joey Essex have got one.
You mean if you want an ev you need therapy
@@jimsouthlondon7061Tells you all you need to know.
@@jimsouthlondon7061who cares about celebs 🤔
Old Volvo's never die they just turn into lovely comfortable armchairs! I used to mock them back in the day but now I'd definitely own an older one. Thanks Geoff from Tasmania Australia
I like them but they're not cheap cars to keep running and things do need replacing on a regular basis especially the suspension components and electrics. Old Toyotas are far superior in terms on running costs and reliability.
More expensive and the government has not put on it's approximately 70% excise duty yet 🤔
Wow
There is no way that the government can distinguish between electricity used for car charging and for other uses. There will be a charge and it will be based on mileage which is already recorded at each MOT anyway. EVs will still be cheaper than ICEs when this happens. ICEs are doing a huge amount of damage to the environment and as the realisation sinks in they will be taked at an extremely high rate. EVs are the only way forwards if our grandchildren are to have a future.
@@rogerphelps9939 All UK home fast chargers have to be government approved smart chargers and you have to have a smart meter to go with them. They know the difference. Only 3 pin slow charge is not recognised. Forecourt charger can also be recognised
Quentin is deluded. Shame to see how low he has gone.
BBC man doing his job and peddling the gummint narrative
@@WildB06he hasn’t worked for the BBC for a long time. And he was terrific on 90’s Top Gear
@stacyplant9327 Clarkson, May and Hammond were much better.
He probably thinks everybody is rich like him and can charge at home.
Worked with the BBC - Wrong un
I would rather be a nut job than a dodgy used car dealer
Me buy an EV, never, I'd rather get a horse and buggy and call myself Amish
Same here
What we proud drivers of real cars need is a red stripe on the number plate just like smug EV owners with their pathetic green stripes... I'm saving the planet all on my own, don't you know....
"F**k your Porsche Taycan I've a horse outside"
Then that's what you will be doing 🤣🤣
Me too
Those noisy fans Lee and Geoff are the fans that cools the liquid coolant around your traction battery pack keeping the pack cool otherwise the battery pack would be compromised and thermal runaway can start so these fans are extremely important. I believe there is also an inverter fan if your charging via A/C as the inverter onboard your car converts the A/C from the public charger to a DC which is used to charge the traction battery pack so it could be that fan as well.
Aren’t they too close to the front for that?!
@@GeoffBuysCarswould guess there’s some kind of radiator/ cooling system then pipe works to the chemical juice!🥤
Yea those would be in the front, some Tesla's have a battery radiator and fan in the front
Thermal run away is a different issue, and very unlikely with modern Lithium ion.
The fan, if involved in charging, is just keeping the battery at optimum temperature to maintain a high charge speed.
But thanks for efforts, even though you were incorrect.
@@truebrit3670 Many thanks for your comments. If the liquid coolant isn’t kept at a low temperature via cooling fan especially if the battery is DC charging as this bypasses the onboard inverter then the traction battery pack increases temperature this is extremely important to control as I’m certain you are aware. That was the reason for my original statement.
Quentin must be speaking his bollox due to his paymasters
BBC mainstream mouthpiece
Well said!!
I've got an XC90 120000 miles in mint condition £750 and it's brilliant 😂😂😂😂
Since the 1 April in New Zealand all EV’s and Hybrids have had to start paying Road Taxes per kilometre just like all the Diesel vehicles.
I bet a lot of New Zealanders are now regretting their foolishness in electing this nutjob reactionary government.
And still my Leaf costs half as much to run as my Nissan Sentra did (scrapped at 20 years old and 230,000km). But even if the Leaf cost the same or more I wouldn't go back to a dirty smelly old gas car.
@@bhabbott hahaha 🤣, you can’t be serious.
But if you are then you probably live in a city and they drive very far.
I live in the middle of countryside, and drive over 1000 km away from any fuel stations on each trip. On my way. It’s nice to have a decent driving range of over 1400 km
Surprise surprise
Glad you talked about tires as i had a bloke tell me there's no difference between them and ICE cars .I also got a quote from a tire business that confirmed that EV tire are 50 to 100 dollars more expensive than ICE cars tires. Thanks guys cheers from Australia.
Your Volvo looks lovely - I have TWO 940 saloons - both are the same colour as yours - they are 28 years old and I have had them for 18 years -still running perfectly.
Those Red Blocks are million mile engines easily. Easy to maintain, too.
If you find yourself In Bangkok anytime soon and stay at the Dynasty Inn they have 2 courtesy cars, both a Volvo 940 saloons, one has done just over 1 million KM on the original engine and the other has done just under a million km and has had the engine recently swapped. Now I know we have all heard of million km Volvos, but these have achieved it in one of the hottest cities on earth and in serious traffic.
Come on Quentin - tell us who pays you. Are you a true 'independent' journalist or a paid-for churnalist?
Quentin is the EV industry rent boy...
But most people with EVs that can charge at home are getting rates or 7.5 p/kWh. About 1.9 p/mile.
This video is utter nonsense. I don’t know what Quinton Wilson is saying but I can’t imagine it’s more stupid than this video.
This is the same guy that blamed the Luton Airport Car Park fire on an EV to start with.
@@paulharrison2325 So you're saying that only those with off-street parking are 'allowed' to own an EV then? How many cars do you see parked ON THE STREET? Millions of them! You are clearly of the class of people that don't want the 'ordinary citizen' to own a car. You want the roads for yourself and your EV fanboys?
@@kellyeye7224 did you even bother to read my post?
I could maybe charge at home if Imran a cable over the pavement, but, the way higher purchase price for a similar vehicle that I could get doesn't make it any cheaper to go EV at the moment for me anyway. Plus, their range is rubbish, I need a large family vehicle, currently have an smax, that can do my few times a month trip to my office which is 230 miles round trip, needs to do it with plenty of range to spare including in winter
that fan is cooling lees wallet!
Watch a video yesterday about evs and its amazing how many EV owners hate UA-camrs that drive ice cars. Its like you've hurt their feeling and the regrets of owning an ev is starting to hit home 😂
Saddens me that cars are now known as ICE cars...
I have an EV and a diesel.
Currently looking to ditch the diesel because it’s no match for an EV. The EV is superior in every way.
Every wondered why Lee still has his EV 3 years after he started telling you how 💩 it is? He’s not selling it.
Are you all still watching the Ads in his videos? 🤑🤑🤑
You’ve been had, and you don’t even realise it.
😂😂😂😂
@@truebrit3670I've got diesel, LPG (old Volvo), petrols and EV. For the past few weeks the EV has sat on the drive as the other cars have suited better. Run to the DIY shop where I don't have to worry so much about the interior!
Last week, wanted my old Volvo because was involved with a mud run event and the EV is white interior. The Volvo did me proud in the car park which was deep mud bog with cars getting stuck.
An element of luck, new all season tyres and front wheel drive had us out of the car park no issue when the Audi in front ground to a halt in the mud, wheels spinning.
Just about to road trip down to Italy so clearly need a good car for a long trip... That'll be the EV then. 😅
I just like a bit of variety.
@@truebrit3670 wow 🤣🤣🤣
@@truebrit3670 I don't watch ads on youtube as I have an adblocker, boomy.
Wait.. you're wasting your existence watching youtube ads? Classic boomer.🤣
Look it’s a use case scenario. If you’re using a car to go about 100 miles per day, have solar panels and have capacity to install a ev charger then yes this is worth it.
If you’re in a 15th floor flat and have to charge using public chargers then you’re absolutely mad to get a EV.
If you plan to travel 150 plus miles in an EV for holidays then that’s also madness. I want an EV for commuting to work and I have the wife’s Derv for family trips.
Still some way off of ev for all use cases.
Porsche Taycan? More like "Trigger's Broom"...
You should carry a Petrol Generator in boot to charge the EV see if works out cheaper to charge the car over the grid system
You could carry the diesel under the bonnet. How about that??
Probably do 12 mpg based on the miles you getting added from running the generator. Probably have to run the generator for an hour just to gain 7.5miles and it would probably need filling up again by then. Turning petrol or diesel into electricity is insanity.
Just as I’ve pointed out to another EV fan.
If you do the sums when purchasing a new EV over its equivalent ICE car, you’ve already paid upfront for most of the fuel if not all of it for the 5 years of ownership.
Now do a used ICE.
I’m a simple old man who can afford any car but instead drives a 2003 Lincoln: buttery smooth and utterly reliable, lowest possible taxes & insurance, no monthly payment for many years. These old cars are very popular with mechanics and the 20-something crowd you’d think would be mindlessly flocking to EVs. At the rate I drive I calculate an engine overhaul will be due in 2042.
I doubt the 20 year olds of today will have the "luxury" of polluting for as many years as you have.
Typical old man telling lies comment. 20somethings drive leased vehicles or old vehicles. As they always have done.
I drive a 2013 Toyota Aygo here in the UK. 60 mpg, no road tax and an absolute hoot to drive. I paid £4k cash for it. I look at people borrowing £100k to buy an EV and shake my head in disbelief when they brag about saving pennies on running costs.
@@WetLettuce-kc2qm / it’s remarkable how so many financially well-off people lack the capacity to think clearly and independently.
@@WetLettuce-kc2qm Who's borrowing £100k to buy an EV?
I couldn’t get £47 in my car, but a full 8 gallons will give me 480 miles
my 1999 Bmw E38 £20 gives me 120 miles i love it 88 ltr tank , no idea in gallons
@@guy4469 my EV will do 1000 miles for £20. Unless I use solar then it does it for sod all. 🤭😂
Problem there is 8 gallons of fuel costs more than £47 & I find it hard to believe your car whatever it is does a minimum of 60mpg. Which would be needed to do 480 miles on 8 gallons.
@@truebrit3670 You haven't been paying attention. The government charges different (i.e. higher!) tax rates for energy that is used for mobility than they do for energy destined for domestic use. This is why public charging is so much more expensive, because it is clear what you are using the energy for. You may be evading those taxes at present, but this will stop and you will be paying the high rates even when charging from home.
@@WhoStoleMyAlias wtf are you on about 😂😂😂😂
Public charging is more expensive because the provider wants a profit.
Although businesses do pay higher rates there is great scope to reduce costs.
But I charge at home. So I’m a tax dodger! lol. That’s hilarious.
My Euro 6 Diesel Škoda was doing between 60 and 70mpg
, was able to do between 550 and 650 miles from a tank, that cost me 70ish pounds to fill. I live in a place where there's no driveways, which means I can forget about home socket charging...EV? No Way.
My Skoda's the same it's a Greenline and I forget which side the filler cap is cause of the infrequency of having to 'Charge It'.
The cost per mile is entirely dependent on the cost of fuel and electric.
People must remember that the combustion engine has had decades and decades of refinement and billions of pounds/dollars/Euros throne at it, even the technology in fuel has drastically improved over time with refining. The original model T Ford had about 250 mile range, which by modern standards isn’t that bad! But that car is over a century old!
Electric cars have only started real development in the last 20 years or so. And already we are seeing batteries from Germany and China with realistic ranges of 1000 miles within reach. You’ll see these on the roads within the next decade.
In terms of price of electric, it’ll be anyone’s guess to what it’ll be going forwards. The war in Ukraine is having a massive impact on electric , along with our odd reliance on buying energy in from other countries. In time it is speculated to decrease as more investment into generation technology improves.
They like playing games with the public well they can have some of there own medicine back
Hi from Oz Geoff - Great vid between yourself and Lee. Please keep up the great work enlightening people 👍
I remember the last time motorists did what the Gov wanted and bought diesels then they put unreliable emmisions crap on them and now sales of petrol are much higher than diesels and those who want electric started with hybrids whose sales are also up.. Guess which sales are down, yep diesels and EVs
Just to counter that a little bit. Petrol is trending towards low displacement, high output in all but the most basic options, and there's a lot of online talk about engine failures. I'm sure they're just as durable *when looked after meticulously* as, say, that old volvo but they are no doubt much more.. delicate otherwise.
@@davidmoore4615 To be fair i cannot disagree with your comment manufacturers of petrol engines have dug deep with the bean counters and cuts have been made.. EVs without the gov push would have had 2yrs extra development but instead bulk products were sold and now issues have arrison hence my don't trust the gov interference the free market mostly wins every time
@@hannahtimson2526 I meant high output as in engine power relative to size whilst also getting "in theory" good mpg. Which was and still is a popular formula but to do it at a popular price means cutting corners, as you say 👍
As for the "in theory" bit, going fast (and this is all relative, I don't mean like driving enthusiast fast) or even simply real world driving needs power and power needs fuel. That fuel use people get upset about sort of links in to the diesel scandal - VW and others didn't really do anything wrong environmentally, they just took a perfectly sound old diesel and made it work to unrealistic regs. The irony with modern diesels is that to keep them running nice you have to rag the tits off them from time to time to clear all the crap out... into the environment!
But, some people will always be sheeple so let them throw away their decent old cars and grab them before the used values of the nicer ones get even sillier 🙃🙃
@@davidmoore4615 I asked my partner for ifo on his ralliart colt 2010 its lightweight at 1000Kg and high output turbo from 1485cc and 230bhp mapped he says he gets 46mpg without ragging it i want a mini cooper s but mini says we not selling them only EV minis.. Cannot get EV yet we live in a flat so only public charging
The way you guys riffed on QW's "Nut job on You Tube..." comment is hilarious and made me laugh, thank you!
Never owned a Volvo but now seriously considering buying a brick 😮 keep up the great work.
When Volvo wasn't owned by the Chinese.
I LOVE my 02 saab 95 aero ! 2.3l petrol auto 🤣 wouldnt swap her for any ev on the market.
Aero ❤
There is a reason there are over 800 of these Porsche EV's on Autotrader .....literally can barely give them away .
I live in Pennsylvania USA, I work at a CDJR dealership so I follow the EV craze closely as I'm involved. My research is this, a comparable ICE car will cost less to refuel "in the wild" than an EV, if you charge your EV at home it's about the same. If you factor in the extra cost for the charger, plus the extra you pay for insurance, an ICE car is less expensive to run...total cost ICE wins every time.
Your research is either flawed, or US electricity costs are way higher than the UK. A UK EV charged at home will always be cheaper to run than an ICE car (assuming average mileage) even adding in the additional insurance/charger costs. Obviously there’ll be edge cases where the charger cost alone could be more than ICE costs, if for example only driving hundreds of miles a year. For my average of 9000 miles a year, an EV is less than 50% of the cost of running a diesel over the time I usually keep a car (8 years). Just taking into account fuel costs, my normal annual diesel cost will pay for 8 years of charging an EV at home.
Not to mention the equivalent ICE will be worth much more ( brand dependent of course ) than EV in a few short years due to massive depreciation of EV. ICE doesn’t spontaneously combust. If you do have to charge “ in the wild” it’s a matter or mere minutes with ICE its 10 X longer with EV, at least. Petrol pumps just work, charge stations often don’t. ICE doesn’t lose range in cold weather etc etc etc etc. EV buyers are fools given how much negative info is available to them now.
Depreciation 😭
@@kerbsidemotors9249 your point? plenty of second-hand ICE cars for sale in the UK for under £1000 that have depreciated by over 95%. The vast majority of cars depreciate massively whether they’re ICE or EV, unless you buy something like a Porsche 911 GT3 RS.
@@user-mp2kk7qk5g Your EV is subsidised to the brim, so it's cheaper for now, the end of subsidies is already in the pipeline as the government needs that sweet tax money to waste on your behalf.
Just looking at the running costs is myopic.
There is also the fact that to install a home charger costs around £2000, and this cost needs to be included when looking at the cost of home charging.
No idea where you got that cost from, here’s a fact: it cost me £350 to install a charger (charger itself was £475).
@@user-mp2kk7qk5g You did well, and I appreciate that in your case the cost was £825, but not all installs are simple and not all chargers are as 'low' in cost as £350. It might be that there is regional variation, I know of two people who had chargers installed locally to me one at a cost of £1400 the other a lot over £3000 (3 phase upgrade included) while checking online gave very similar results. With all this said the install and upkeep cost of home chargers need to be considered in calculations no matter the cost.
Average price fitted £966 I've checked prices out but decided against it, I'll keep my petrol.
Its about £1000. People dont realise though that the 3 pin charger will give about 55 miles over 6 hours at the 7.5p rate. When average mileage is 20 miles per day its not strictly needed. 55 miles a night will cover the average needs and build a buffer for bigger trips or just charge longer at the 26p peak rate. Its still 1/3 the cost of public chargers excluding Tesla.
Not bad, that’s still roughly 8 months fuel paid upfront
Given how much of Lee’s car has been replaced it’s little wonder that the values are dropping like a stone. Can you just imagine when that’s out of warranty. I saw a Tesla owner paying £1500 for a new headlight because it got a stone chip which allowed water in that then made the car inoperable. These new cars will never make old bones.
...and the cost to make that new headlight unit would be about £12.50.
Modern cars are not designed to be repairable.
Checkmate - on the EV King (the industry), that never was without flaw from its inception - never well thought out (as a critical thinker with common sense would do). Plus, One can think, what's your time on Earth worth? How many hours charging the EV and eating junk food, versus, a few minutes to pump petrol? More mileage, less cost, and you get to your destination sooner, on-time - Wow, petrol and diesel cars really are amazing! Keep up the great work - your evidence to preserve the joy of motoring and road tripping is invaluable. Strength! GODspeed!
ABSOLUTELY 💯!!!!
@@user-qi5rz4kf6o 💯!!! Strength! GODspeed!
100%. I will never suffer from dodgy roadside fast food and range anxiety. Long live my oil burner !!!.
lol quentin says the tyres don't wear out quicker. 🙄
If Comrade quentin wilson worked for the BBC, then he would be a fully trained in the art of communist propaganda.
They don’t, in fact mine have lasted longer than the 530 previous car.
@@danpowell5127 😂😂
I can never take anyone with a first name as Quentin seriously
tarantino looks like a serious guy though
Love that old Volvo
Good man Geoff 👊🏼
Long live my 2003 Peugeot 206. Never ever broken down. Never had a problem 💪💪💪💪💪
Neither my 2005 bimmer 2 liter engine, m47, at current date with a bit over 300k miles, bought with 155k miles, 13 years ago.
It never broke down in 13 years of ownership with normal maintenance and usual other parts that breaks, as I find out on the internet forums. But the engine... never ever break up to 300k miles!
😮
All that heat coming from that charger
that's normal. They have to be actively cooled. Those things in itself cost as much as a car.
If there is heat coming from the Charger, this demonstrates a high level of inefficiency in the Charger itself. An ICE vehicle is only about 50% efficient because of the engine heat and Drive Train - which has to be paid for. EVs produce very little heat by comparison, and have a much higher efficiency. Rivers of petrol and diesel are wasted, as millions of cars are stationary in traffic jams, traffic lights, engines idling, which will become more prevalent - as time will tell.
@@peterduxbury927 back in the days, chargers lost up to 50% of the energy.
Modern chargers are more efficient. But even if you reach 99% efficieny, 1% of 350KW is still 3.5KW. That's enough energy for you to cook with several pots on your hob.
@@svr5423 This loss, even at 1% is recoverable, when compared directly to an ICE Vehicle. On any ICE Vehicle, you brake, and all that energy is lost as heat. EVs (at least) do recover those losses in regenerative braking, and increasing the car's range. I prefer to drive mine in neutral, with no regen braking at all. You get up to speed, and the car 'coasts', with no compression of the internal combustion engine to hold you back! It always surprises me just how far you can go - with your foot completely off the accelerator pedal. If I am going downhill, I flick a switch to give the regen. My EV is now 53 years old - a converted VW Super Beetle.
You’re spending 75p per kW because the charger is wasting twice as much energy as you’re getting in waste heat which is only adding to global warming 😂😂
And guess how the electricity that goes into that charger is generated.
@@NotALot-xm6gz I work in the utilities industry building power plants so I already know!
@@johnmarkrobinson2924 Nice, have you ever heard of punctuation?
@@johnmarkrobinson2924 it seems so expensive to charge at these public chargers, excepting for road trips it’s not viable long term. I’m lucky enough to have free charging at work so I’ve only charged at home twice. Depending on circumstances it makes sense to go EV but it’s not right for everyone
Odd because here on UA-cam R Symmonds drives a Porsche Taycan around the U.K. and experiences neither the expense nor issues that Flat Battery Mac does.
Which isn’t a surprise because Mac engineers his problems to make videos, for which he gets paid about a grand a month. Keep clicking, he keeps winning.
The 850 will out live that ev the engine definitely wil the good old T5 engine
I'm amazed people are figuring it out only now. As soon the EV were pushed to us I've bought a recent second-hand turbo diesel and a 35-year-old petrol city car.
That’s unfortunate because in 5 years that petrol won’t be allowed in any city. 😂😂
@@truebrit3670Who wants to drive into a city no thankyou.
@@tonyrobinson362 then you’re in luck. Towns are next.
The plan is that ICE vehicles won’t be allowed anywhere near any community.
The human race is devolving.
The couple in the previous video said it costs 7p to charge at home, but and its a massive but that's at present, that will go through the roof once they feel fit to do so.
My old SAAB 9-5 AERO is much cheaper to drive than a new EV that only uses public chargers here in sweden.😂
They will have to enter my house with force to install a smart meter 😂
Diesel power forevermore ❤❤❤
The EV thing is done 😂
EV sales are rising exponentially worldwide and in 5.5 years 80% of all vehicles sold in the U.K. must be EV.
Legacy auto isn’t designing new ICE vehicles and second hand sales of EVs are surpassing ICE worldwide.
I think you’re in for a rude awakening. 😂😂😂
@@truebrit3670 "Legacy auto isn’t designing new ICE vehicles"
Yes, yes they are.
"second hand sales of EVs are surpassing ICE worldwide"
No, no they're not.
Nap time for boomy?
@@Weird.Dreams oh dear you’re still not reading the news are you?
Leave the Daily Mail alone. It’s not good for you.
Love Geoff And The Mac..... Quck Fuenten.
I almost want to ask him to pop the bonnet.
My 2006 7 seat ford smax will go the same distance on like £35 😂 it insane. Evs are fine for people that lease a car every 3 years and can charge at home. If your buying out right they make no sense you will never recoup the cost. Having a 7 seater there is few options and they horrifically expensive i did the maths before and on a tesla it would take 20 years to break even just home charging. Even at 10 years lets say thats ridiculous.
Domestic electricity is now 27p per KwH, not 8p. Also anyone who wants to charge at home is now being mandated to have a separate charging point that talks to your smart meter.
Depends on the tariff. I charged today, this afternoon at 8.6p. other tariffs are 7.5p.
Two weeks ago I was PAID to charge when the electric price went negative across Europe.
It seems you're lacking actual experience in this area?
@@djtaylorutubeyou cant see it at all can you, you were paid to take energy from the government? 😂
@@effigy42 No I wasn't paid to take energy from the government, I was paid to take energy from the energy provider. Too much wind and solar combined across Europe.
We did all the washing that existed in the house, took a couple of trips, pyro cleaned the oven, just about anything we could.
Energy is traded on the wholesale market internationally, that's how it works.
In my case, I'm with Octopus on the Agile tariff. All information and historic data is online for anyone to reference.
lol, I paid 7.5p a kWh last night (and now actually) to charge my car, and everything on the house is at 7.5p a kWh. Our peak price is 25p a kWh. The meter can't decipher what is car and what is house: it's not on a separate circuit.
Do you not understand how it works? When theres a glut of energy (since it's inefficient to throttle back power stations) they incentivise to buy off the energy, hence the cheap price.
Octopus are trialing a scheme where they buy cheap power store it in EV's and then sell is back to the grid making a profit.
@@markburton8303”do you not understand how it works?” Do you? Clearly not. The smart meter can identify power factor and each device has a signature so it’s entirely possible to identify it from that even if you don’t look at the total wattage consumed by the charger which will be higher than anything else in your house. Add on the fact that chargers are now mandated to have controlling software in them to address maximum grid demand and do you really think they didn’t add in additional code or that the charger can’t be updated to factor that in?
Did I dream that all new properties have to have a separately metered electric vehicle charging point that can be controlled by the utility company to deliver charge at times that do not adversely affect the power grid?! 🤷🏻♂️
You didn't dream it. The government pushed that piece of legislation under the radar when there was another significant bit of corruption being reported on.
It's not significant though because it's trivial to circumvent that smart charger.
That's part of the smartgrid frameworks: giving control to utility companies for what you can or cannot do at home. The french went even ahead and are using that on water heating now. That's why there's a push for smart meters and smart appliances.
@@DanTheCox Yep, no suprise really and it's all part of grid balancing. Buy a battery, be on the right tariff and become part of the solution by buying cheap energy and selling it back when costs are high.
People have a choice as to whether to stick in their lane or look for opportunities elsewhere.
@@djtaylorutube to be fair, you're describing a sociopathic mindset.
@@DanTheCox which part, the criminally corrupt plans of the government of at least making the most of being imprisoned on shithole backward facing prison Island and seeking the best outcome? 🙂
The case proved thanks to both of you.
Johnny Cash ' singing one piece at a Time burst into my head , when the quip trying to give a new car with out him noticing was said 😂
The Taycan is getting the same mpg as my W123 280E, with its incredibly thirsty engine designed in the early 70s. About 22-23mpg. Future my sump.
My TVR is more economical and sounds better OOP'S EV's don't make much sound.
@@colingregson8653 Apart from the appalling off key moaning that Teslas seem to emit when reversing.
£47 for 170 miles is around 25mpg
So worst case scenario it’s same as equivalent Panamera. Charging at home would be about a third of that on an expensive tariff. 🤔
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Hi great video, the Volvo at the end of your video with the twin surfboards on , that's the car you need to recreate for your roadtrip to Benidorm👍
If you’re an ev owner you don’t use fast chargers in the same way you use a petrol station. It’s the same as seeing petrol advertised for £8 per litre. It’s mad, at home you can fill up for a fraction of the cost. They are for the once in a blue moon that you need them when you can charge at home for 1/6 of the price.
It is a correct assumption that not only public charging rates will go up, but sadly home rates will rocket and that is particularly sad because rates will also go up significantly for households that do not have vehicles at all.
You dont think Petrol will go up as well?
Neither price increases are happening, home rates SVT have come down again and 75ppkw is motorway service price equivalent. You can charge cheaper and easier out of home when absolutely required. Liquid fuel prices, past 150 again!
it only makes sense to have an EV if you have a solar system with a large house battery and only drive around within a 3 mile radius
This guy unfortunately has enough advert clicks to earn over £20,000 a month from UA-cam if you do the maths.That's the only reason he keeps fakely slagging off ev's. He's coining it in by acting like a very poor man's Jeremy Clarkson.
Where I live it's about 40% cheaper to fill my diesel Fiesta than it is to use public charging...and FAAAAAR more convenient. No queues, no apps, no broken chargers. Also I'm not going to lose range over time because I filled the tank to 100%; 16 years and 400,000km on and it still gets the same range it did the day it rolled off the production line.
Real eye opener for anyone thinking of buying an Ev
Lee, if that was my car,mate I think the word petrol and match would come to mind.
Used to be if you parked a lemon car west of Sydney, Australia with $20 behind the visor it would obligingly get torched for you.......
Even though it’s more expensive to run the EV, it’s the depreciation that is far far far worse!!!! EVs only work for rich company car drivers because of tax breaks…… which the rest of us are funding through our taxes 🤬🤬🤬
You can make it work,if you know how you can get a neary new cheap ev!Maybe a 3 years old Smart ev with 8k miles for 11k euros or a 2 year old Twingo ev for 14k euros!
It works well for me. I buy new and run until it falls apart.
@@rogerphelps9939 That’s just a few years for an EV 🤣
@@cp4512 Wrong. I have a 2015 Nissan Leaf. It has lost only one battery health bar. That is despite it spent its first year as a hire car where I expect it was regularly abused and charged to 100%.
@@rogerphelps9939 In your last post you said you buy new and then run it until it falls apart. Now you’re saying you bought it second hand from a hire company! What else are you making up? 🤣 If your lies can be found out in just two posts then I suspect your battery is in far worse condition than you pretend too. You’ve just proven that EV virtue signallers don’t tell the truth 🤣
I don't think I need spoilers on this one...
Lets put it this way. Price Per kwh is almosr exactly 1/10 of price per liter. (Its like 9.87 something)... so.. 75 pence per kwh is the same as 7 pund 50 pence per liter... or... just under £30/gal
Geoff, for an absolute kicker, my 27 year old 4.6L V8 Range Rover running LPG, only costs 18p/mile.... It just got a new clean 'MOT' today too. :)
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Lee's big end has gone by the sound of it 😁. Great to see the Mac again
All us theorists of conspiracies seem to be held back and dragged into a dystopia by all the believers of the BS, how can we get through to them or at least a grown up conversation???, 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
They say exactly the same about us petrol heads. 😂
Electric Cars..... They'll never catch on. And I've just crushed FOUR (4) FIVE (5) year old Model 3's(Batteries and Touchscreens were already removed..)@Work with several more on the way. Kinda sad that almost no one buys Lights Panels or even the Wheels off of the damn things. We here at work fill 'em up with Panels and anything else made of Metal/Iron.
I’ll have some Tesla wheels! Email me
😂 nice story.. EV’s will “catch on” because (drum roll) petrol and diesels are being banned 😂 80% of sales LEGALLY have to be EV before 2030 !
@@Gmh6477 Not in North America.
Interesting way to "Save the Planet"........
Model 3's are made in China I believe.
Funny you say they’ll never catch on.
Did you know in March this year, one in every five new cars sold in the USA was BEV?
Sounds like they’re catching on.
Hi Geoff, enjoyed the video. Just done quick calculation on cost per mile for my car (5yr old 2.0l petrol, manual, non-turbo, large saloon) over 525 miles is 16.05 pence per mile against Lee's 28.1 pence per mile on that charger.
As for charging EVs at home, I believe some suppliers offer lower overnight tariffs for EV charging (at the moment). One thing that does worry me about EV charging at home is whether the main supply cabling for an estate will be able to cope when all the EV chargers 'power up' overnight. The thought of 200 or so (less 1 'cause I'm never going EV) chargers, on the 1930's estate where I live, suddenly powering up worries me that the mains will not be able to cope.
It took 1 year for planning permission to install pop up chargers on one terraced street near me . We are FCUKED !.
Funny, but realisticly most people will charge at home overnight with an economical tariff. Also if you buy a normal non high performance car running snd service cost will be lower. Regardless of fuel type if you buy a fancy car it will more expensive to run than a cheaper basic one in most cases.
There's a place that tests electric cars that i went to and i asked what is the best one to get. And the bloke said look in the car park there isn't any electric cars
YESSSSS !!!!
aren't any
Fully charged scam ?
Excellent video Geoff. I like the bit where the Macmaster said he is slowly having his car replaced without him knowing, they will be giving him an engine for his new Tycan next, wishful thinking lol.
Brilliant how very eye opening. Fantastic relevant comparison.
I'm sticking to my 17 y/o Hyundai V6 Santa Fe 😅
Now in the real world, people that can charge at home pay 7.5p/kWh to charge overnight. That’s about 1.9p/mile.
Shhhh... don't blow holes through their video. Or that you can charge on Ultra Rapid chargers (in any CCS enabled EV) for 30p-40p a kWh.
@@DiscoDesW it’s bizarre that people lap it up.
To be fair, these guys were talking about public charging and did mention home charging.
We all know you can charge at home if possible..
Cheers 👍
@@myturkishlife1777 not to be fair. It’s entirely missing the point of EV ownership for the majority of people. I’ve had an EV for 3.5 years and have charged up away from home about 4-5 times despite doing 15k miles a year.
@@paulharrison2325 it appears that your EV suits your requirements perfectly..
Of course not everyone would have the opportunity to charge at home..
I don't think these guys were misleading anyone, just showing the public charging costs..
I would assume that potential EV owners would know the charging options available to them and decide accordingly..
Regards
Dying your hair doesn't make you a nut job quentin 😂
Mate, Gday from Aus. Whilst I was never a Volvo fan I have to admit that is a good looking car. Keep up the good fight.
Very good point about the potential for future tariff changes for at-home charging. And as we know VAT is a very regressive tax as it's the same for everyone, rich or poor. And the government ( or any stripe ) will have to get the money from somewhere.
EV car prices in free fall ... loads on the market not selling ... what a disaster
Remember whatever government recommends 100% do the opposite
F the price , they are burning like crazy when you hit a sign pole
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True at least the insurance pays out .. and then you can go buy a petrol V8
And where are these cheap EVs?
I’ve been looking for months for a second EV and prices aren’t moving.
I was so pleased to see your comment. I’m glad I found someone who can tell me where they are, at last 👏👏👏
Where are they?
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2022 - 2023 Taycan estate for £57,999 - £72,999
Huge drop from new price
Certainly will since the PM drives around in EV's (NOT). 'Do as I say and not as a do'. Just like Party Gate !!.
My (professional) hourly rate is £75. 3 minutes for diesel @ a time cost of £3.75. Using electric it would (might?) have taken one hour so £75. And businesses are supposed to use these things?
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All business'e will have them resulting in economic collapse !! You have been warned !!.
There is a very basic mistake. You’ll have to compare the Taycan Turbo to a similar powerful petrol engine. Compare it to a 750hp supercar and it’s unbeatable on how cheap it is to run. Compare the T5 to a new Mg with similar power and probably you’ll
Get similar costs.
For 47 GBP in Swiss franks I can currently add around 500km of range to my petrol car.
That's 270nmi or 310smi. Almost double the range per money spend, even with the very expensive gas prices at the moment.
And a (halfway usable) BEV with comparable comfort costs at least double es much, so I can save another 35k CHF in depreciation costs over the car's lifetime.
Insurance is also cheaper and the service might be a bit more expensive, but at 700 CHF per year, it doesn't factor in much.
they have trouble when everyone puts the kettle on at half time when everyones watching football so its going to be bad if everyone is charging a car at home
Wilson would rather sit in the dark than admit that lol.
Should got himself Nissan Leaf.
I had mine for 7 years done 70k miles, and I never had any problem.
Quentin pretentious Wilson would be banned by Facebook for lying like that 😂
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I bet volvo prices just went up by a notch :D
I looked at EVs but was put off by poor reliability, serving costs, charging anxiety, range anxiety, depreciation, general cost of up keep. I decided to stay petrol and bought a little 2 seater that is great. Keep your EV’s people, you were conned by the government and the motor industry
I’ve had an ev for four years..never use a public charger. Full charge costs less than £5. No brainer.
congrats you probably have a driveway and don't drive much, is that correct? And your full charge was heavily subsidised as well.
5:09 sounds like he's doing an impression of the fan... it it it it it
Lee loves his car, it's a cash cow for his channel. that car has paid for itself.