A 500hp V8 Swapped Miata is the Best Idea Ever
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- The formula has been around for years: big motor swapped into small car. So what’s the best possible combo of those two, while staying street-able with common parts? An LS3 in a Miata, duh. Biggest engine in the smallest car. Flyin’ Miata has been perfecting that recipe for some time, and this ND Miata is the pinnacle of their work.
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Modern day Cobra.
Must be a fantasmagorical daily driver.
Shifts mostly optional.
Modern day cobra was the viper
pnw.yfz350 Viper had too long of a wheelbase
Cade McKee The Corba had a long wheel base too @90 inches (for the time, for a roadster) Ferrari had longer wheel bases, highest of the year was 102 inches on the 330 America
The viper 1st - 2nd gen has a 96 inch wheelbase, and the cars was toted as the Modern cobra. (3rd - 5th gen has 98 inch wheel bases)
@@wolfgangkoeppen52 this is way closer to the original cobra, both in spirit and in build. small foriegn car, big American engine, the cobra yes it was a 90" wheel base but it was also fairly narrow. and an absolute monster to drive and a whole lot of fun! , compared to early vipers or even the newer ones (acr and hennessy aside as ive driven both)theyre not even in the same league handling, feel, spirit, cornering they are night and day! a v8 miata reminds me much more of driving a real cobro than the viper ever did. and ive driven more than a few FFR cobras, a couple of vipers both late 90s and a newer along with an acr, and a v8 nb miata
yes! bud youe got that right!
Passenger: This miata has A LOT of great features li.....*BWARRRRRRRRRRRRR*
I love it, but a Miata with a noise like that is no sleeper lol
It has an active exhaust so you can make it quite.
How about the big sticker down the hood that says LS3 V8 😂
@@robertburton8055 Sticker delete lol
put it on neutral and just roll down the hill when you want it to be a sleeper lolol
@@alphanation368 Ah, you must be an adult. you know what a clutch is. Most of my son's friends have no clue what a clutch is. They have "in my opinion" are bad parents lol
I absolutely love the idea of this.
A small, light, RWD car, with far too much power and not enough grip.
This is what driving fun is all about. I'd take this over any boring, under-steering, 500 bhp AWD Audi saloon any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.
get a TVR?! :)
@@davidstuart4915 If I could afford to run a 2nd or 3rd car, a TVR would be on the list. A mate at work owns a 4.2 Cerbera it's a death trap, I love it !
I wouldn't risk one as my only car though lol ....
But what of it was a 2900lb EVO?
100% I have an audi S5 with quattro and all the bells an whistles. Its quick, carefree and reliable but also lacks emotion and honestly is somewhat boring. I bought a second car, a MX5 ND2 2.0. Its a blast. Its not fast but it feels fast, its MUCH more engaging and fun to drive
2020 version of an AC cobra. Carroll Shelby would be proud!
Yea he loved JDM.
@@alexissixela6914 The point is small car with V8
...but with much better handling
Hoonigan: "The brakes are really good"
Keith Tanner: "We thought that was really important"
😆😆😆😆 ya think?
Oof, the need to do this to my RF is intensifying.
Same.
"it originally came in with 4 brake pistons and now it has 20" 17:07
For a dude who built the world's first LS powered ND MX5, he seems really down to earth and humble. Would be amazing to have a conversation with him, a wealth of knowledge on MX5's for certain.
Just check out Flyin' Miata's UA-cam channel
This is so cool!
Miata is always the answer !
Manuel is always the answer.
Unless there's an S2000 in the neighbourhood 😁
Mr2
Keith Tanner, a class act. I fixed a lot of stuff on my old '99 NB with his book!
Awesome work Larry! Love the eagles when he revved the car I lost it.
Amazing. Love that scanners clip as he was explaining going into reverse
So, when its a torrential downpour, everyone within a 5 mile radius will know you are on the road.
From the time I saw the new Miata design I wanted to do exactly what this guy did. It. Is. GLORIOUS!
Back in 90s, I read the article about some guy put Ford’s 5.0LV8 in the 1st gen Miata. I thought that was awesome 👏
But this LS3, that’s more sophisticated👍
I want to put a Miata engine in to my Ram 2500. SWAPPPPPP.
500HP, my fastest click ever 😅
It fits nicely in there. Some youtube channels are taking the LS out of their Mazdas, mistake. This driveline definitely would be bulletproof in this car.
@Alpha Wërks they are really cool, but it ruins the weight balance unless done right and the suspension is entirely reworked and upgraded aggressively. and it is 100% a cheat code , itll make a half ass driver make themselves feel really good and like they can drive anything wich is very dangerous when they get into something that is much much less forgiving
@Alpha Wërks absolutely , theres a kid by me that has one and drives it like a cockwobble, and is just a danger to himself and anyone else with a few hundred feet of him at any given time, but your right it doesn't take much to fix it but most people either don't try , or dont know enough to understand that it isnt right, a good buddy of mine swapped a vw vr6 turbo into his miata and with a little weight balance work i think its how they shouldve come from the factory! its amazing.
@Perry Leduc it really doesn’t change the weight balance much at all a aluminum ls only weighs like 50 pounds more than the steel 4cylinder i had a ls swapped 97 miata and you couldn’t even really feel the difference besides all the power
Perry LeDuc You DO know a “cheat code” traditionally not the only makes something easier. It usually side steps a whole list of things you don’t want to do... Like putting an engine in something that neither the car or the engine was ever designed for.
@@perryleduc1954 What balance? from 49.5/50.5 to 48.7/51.3 The LS3 weights as much as a BP Turbo Stock Engine from a damn NB
Great job! Personally the only changes might be a sapphire/white striped Cobra paint job with retro wheels. I would also give it the invisibility cloaking job by removing all reference to true power emblems and replace with a Baby on Board license holder. The police will never even see you.
Thats my dream car, its what a sports car should be to me, light, small, powerful, sounds good, looks cool and most importantly dependable.
Now I wanna call up and ask for them to reserve the parts for me until I can afford it in 20 years lol
Yea protip. Miata if fast as it is. If u need to go 1 or 2 second faster. You dont need it
I imagine it's not something anyone will really even consider but I bet that thing still gets great gas mileage too. That LS3 isn't a gas hog and now it's only pushing around 2500-2600 lbs instead of a 3100 lb Corvette? Must be absolutely insane.
Modern equivalent of a AC Cobra or Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine. Big V8 in a roadster sports car...looks like it wants to head right for that DITCH!!
Review verdict: all the lols
BUT a Miata that makes pissed off dinosaur noises is far from "sleeper" lmao.
Pissed of dinosaur noises. I love it. Never heard that one before.
It also has LS3 written all over it.
This is really the modern interpretation of the Cobra. Love it!
Just ask Taylor Ray how good V8 swapped Miatas are
He’s awesome.
His shit still dont work right, every other video is "fixing the ls miatas _____"
"They don't even had a 6 cylinder anymore"
Oh yeah, isn't that inline-6 supposed to be unveiled next year?
Correction: 2022, so two years.
Fantastic work there, if you didn't know any better you'd think it's stock, that engine bay is soo clean🖤☠️
LS swaped miatas are dope
Since you mentioned it, a ls3 supercharged rocket bunny v1....siiiiiick?
ND is so good looking
yes but needs more power ugh
the ls3 miata is bitchin
I miss mine
I know that pain. Many years ago I swapped a 2003 Mazdaspeed protege 2.0 turbo power/drivetrain & ECU into a ‘99 protege (1.8 NA). The wiring, and getting the electronics to work with the rest of the car (gauges, lights, fuel system, ABS to non-ABS, harness incompatibilities, etc.) so that it could be drivable and pass inspection was an absolute freaking nightmare. Wiring diagrams literally the size of a kitchen table with print smaller than 08 font. _Lots_ of cutting, splicing/soldering and retrofitting sensors. And that was for a same make/similar platform swap. Can’t imagine how much of a pain the dissimilarity here must have been.
I loves the torque
Now i want one.... ..... (runs away crying)
Yes please I’ll take one with a cherry on top
I have an LS3 hotcam, 450 wheel HP in my Solstice. Everything works. Its fun. But its NOT a toy ladies car LOL.
this is as crazy as a cobra but its the right answer
Cant believe I'm looking at a miata while hearing v8 noises
I never understood why Mazda never even released a 250-300Hp version?
I think they feel this car doesn't need that much power. Looking back at the mazdaspeed NB, it wasn't even that powerful despite being turbo. If I was rich enough to do swaps carelessly, I'd try to swap in a Mercedes turbo 4 2.0. 250 to 300 horsepower with tune.
@@EjinRenos I had a Mazda MX6 with a 2.5 V6 and it was slow and torque steered all over.
Looks spectacular. Love the stock look. Cool exhaust. Quality.
Will it pass smog? What kind of m.p.g. ?
Totally missing the point.
Great sounds, cool build.
Wondering where is that track and can anyone play?
First thing he says is "Wow I can't believe it, everything works." Like what? Was it not suppose to?? 😂
I want this sooooooo badly. but I don't think I could ever do it myself. Shame they don't do turn key conversions anymore.
Nobody's even mentioning how awesome a resurrection of rotary engines would be for this kinda swap. I know they have issues, but,
A. It would fit
B. The weight is better suited for the car.
C. True Mazda fans would actually approve.
I been saying the ND RF is perfect for a 26b swap. More power than the LS, just as much potential, about as reliable too. Much easier to rebuild. And weighs less.
Definitely should have chosen a larger track for this setup
Great work!
It mean little any more. FM has abandoned the V8 swaps. They have abandoned almost everything great that they once did. They got scared of their states emissions when all they had to do is stop selling non compliant stuff to that state and other states like theirs. Better yet they should have just moved to a state that doesn't have draconian laws.
Yes!!! It's about time that FM got some love from you guys.
Keith philosophy behind the setup for this car just blowed my mind. All boxes thicked for me. Great work. The only thing not mentioned in the chat was the weight distribution - how far off it is from the original design? Main thing for me that makes mx5 so fun to drive.
The weight distribution is actually not that different. It's 53/47 for the soft top, and 52/48 for the RF. Stock was 51/49 soft top, and 50/50 RF. And overall the car only gained 300lbs which brought it from 2300 to 2600lbs.
@@jakekiedaisch2279 And if you get the RF and put carbon bodywork on and rehouse a few things, you can easily get the weight distribution back to 50/50.
@@jakekiedaisch2279 Yeah but it's not just about distribution, you now have 300lbs more weight in the front, on the front wheels. Tho I read the LS3 weighs 403lbs. It's hard to find the weight of a standard MX5, but it's possible that the engine has almost doubled in weight. I know americans love to their V8's into everything, no matter how small, but it must affect the handling, theres no way it wouldn't
@@Ladybirdsin16mm they've braced the entire frame of the car so the chassis is actually stronger and stiffer than before. So because the weight distribution is virtually unchanged, it actually makes it handle even better.
As a Mazda tech this would be fun to see irl 😍
Need more race track to open it up and really let it sing
Nice job and I am sure they could do just as nice with a Coyote, I have a hard time pulling a OHC engine to put a pushrod engine in it's place. You know when Chevy comes out with it's own OHC V-8 all the GM guys will be naming it the greatest engine since the sb.
It’s crazy to think, that the cost of a new Miata is more insane then this guy swapping a V8 into a new Miata 🤔😂🤣🤷🏼♂️
Is it just me who always feel uncomfortable watching people drive someone else's car? It isn't even mine and I'm sitting here like "I swear to god Larry, if you crash this Miata.."
It's especially nerve wrecking how the guy upsets the car constantly by shuffling his hands on the steering wheel. I'd slap him in the face.
tight space in that engine bay
I want one, but getting it street legal in Germany would be a challenge to say the least...
Nah. SPS Motorsports is at it right now.
That’s going to be an electrical nightmare over the years but it sure is cool
So nice
Hmmm, a soup up LS7 will get you 100 or 200 more hp.
For the kind of driving I do, particularly on windy roads, I would prefer a four-cylinder because the car would handle tight corners better. The V8 throws the Miata's perfectly balanced weight off.
I disagree,I always thought a v6 or a rotary would be better suited for the Miata than the 4 cylinder which is underpowered or a v8
It's barely heavier than the four cylinder. 40 pounds I think
@@trashbandit2449 The LS3 is 403lbs. It's hard to find the weight of a standard MX5 engine (200-300lbs), but it's possible that the engine has almost doubled in weight, and thats right on the front wheels. I know americans love to their V8's into everything, no matter how small it is, but it must affect the handling, theres no way it wouldn't
@@Ladybirdsin16mm the numbers I'm seeing on mx5 forums is it will add 120 pounds to the front, 60 pounds to the back (LS trans is heavy). Something to keep in mind is the mx5 engine is cast iron, compared to the ls3 being aluminum.
I have seen before that it doesn't mess up weight distribution as much as you'd think. But weight distribution isn't a big deal anyway, most of it has been just marketing. Unless it's a wild amount, it won't change handling. Weight distribution from side to side is far more important than front to back
I don't remember where I saw that it was 40 pounds so I can't back that up. I don't believe that is correct
Edit- v8 miata is roughly 55/45 compared to the factory 52/48. By moving the v8 back towards the firewall people have numbers like 52.6/47.4
There is a white RF that was build last year in a dude’s garage. Can find it on the forum.
ua-cam.com/video/EFEyLQ2vxQw/v-deo.html
VQ37VHR motor would sound sick
These guys are awesome. I love that there are people like them out there.
Flyin’ Miata got all this free press and they stopped making the V8 conversation :(
I want one
Same. Miatas get so much undeserved hate.
Jeeez that’s a sweet little ride
This, but in a Mitsuoka Rock Star would be perfect.
Now put that on a city street with a driver who does not know shit! The Miata was designed for a small to medium powered engine
If i had the money to pay the varges brothers n soupi build my na 13b the way i want its would be tits
AC Cobra 2020 edition.
Is just like Taylor ray Ls drift miata
Except he's making like ~350hp no?
@@fakename287 tha was the ls 1 but for the ls 3 idk
It’s just so odd that they spent so much time and money just to kill their turn key program for their LS3 swap.
The whole point of that program was to refine the kit it seems. It is important to test your kit on multiple cars if you want to make a really polished kit. Cars on one side of factory tolerances can have problems if you made a kit with a car with things on the other side of the tolerance range.
Wouldn't want it. I would be because its a roadster not a muscle car.
3.5 to 60 is really good considering how small those tires are. Probably spinning the whole time though
Idk, they are kinda small but proportionally to how small a Miata is, they are pretty big
@@ConLLee less weight = less traction
This is something I've wanted to do for a while
That head explosion caught me off guard lmfaooooooo
great!
When my engine blows I'm going to do this. No question. The only question is should I waste $5k+ now and supercharge it and blow up my engine faster So I can get the v8...
I haven’t heard what size tires and wheels are on this new “Monster” Miata (sorry I still can’t forget the original v8). 73 Tom KC3QAC
Theres a guy in town that souped up a new model Mini with 427 and you can hear it from far away, and the qualityof the welding and fabrication is amazing.suprising that a 427 fits in a mini also the rear is tubed with large meats tucked inside the rear.
Doesn't beat the hellcat burnout miata.
nd2 owner here, I admire the work they put into this in order to get this result. Amazing really. Unfortinately driving in France so swaps are illegal here :/
People need to 20B or Renesis swap one of these, then they will truly be insane !
I've been saying that for a while. I get asked a lot if my RF is the new supra or some European underdog car. I say "no it's a Mazda" and often get "oh so it's the new rx7 or rx9?!"
Then I just gotta tell em it's an MX5 fastback. I think the RF would be a great platform to put in a 26b. Way more power and less weight than the ls series. And just as much potential if not more.
@@EjinRenos Yeah. Not to mention it's smaller so it stays Midshipped- one of the things the Roadster is known for. I did the math with a buddy of mine with an NA8, A 13B Renesis wil give the car a REAR END weight bias. We're in California so it would be a no no anywho.
@@RyuusanFT86 California running the fun. Lol. But yeah the 13b isn't that bad of a platform especially on turbo and the balance of a roadster is very important. Hell, any car. I never understood why people just wanna stuff the biggest engine they can without exploring smaller options.
@@EjinRenos Yeah. It depends on how the Rotary is ported that decides if it handles boost well. That's why people knocked on the RX8 because the renesis ports dumb down the reliability if boosted- which the sole purpose of a renesis port is for reliability. I had an FC and an RX8 and I'd pick the RX8 over the FC any day. The RX8 had two owners, first owner took care of it, second didn't. It had 115k on the 6 port and had no compression loss. Plan on getting another.
The FIAT would have been a Sexier car to do this with.
He just said he wants to build a Black Fastback. In that case, lemme buy a Black RF so I could tempt him to build my car instead of doing it myself with a kit. Lol
Modern shelby cobra
That`s what i wanted to ask. Mazda doesnt have their can bus protocol open so you have to reverse engineer everything, right? Jeez, that`s a pain. If they had that open that would be so awesome for a tuner car.
I would pay up to $85,000 for this, although it’s probably more. Almost a perfect, well-rounded driver’s car. A track beast with a convertible and loud exhaust, and an enjoyable cruiser with an option for a quiet exhaust. You can daily it for a reasonable fuel economy. You can have fun by opening the exhaust valves and going through the gears. Pretty easy to fix GM power train, although electronics might be a reliability problem.
Sounds like an American V8, looks like a lil tuner. Can't get over the cognative dissonance.
I have a 2020 blue GT stock and I just love the thing. Maybe someday I'll be a customer of Flyin Miata
Modern Cobra!
Great job on the video. VERY MUCH ENJOYED IT. Typically I watch some of it, skip around and leave. This was great. Never had the urge to jump around. Take care.
V8 Miata : MG Coupè
Sunbeam Tiger, anyone?
...and seen their prices nowadays? Tried and true formula that stands the test of time.
Ring out Miata have fun. Ring out v8 go to jail.
How did it affect the balance?
I'm sure on paper it is fairly dramatic due to the weight, but specifically how did it feel from the driver's seat?
It's like a 52-48% distribution.
LS's dont weigh nearly as much as people think they do. They're an Aluminum, pushrod, smallblock. Naturally they are very compact and light due to this, especially compared to most OHC engines. That's why they're so popular for swapping
@@dylanandersen9318 Yeah but it's not just about distribution, you now have 403lbs more weight in the front, on the front wheels. It's hard to find the weight of a standard MX5 engine (200-300lbs), but it's possible that the engine has almost doubled in weight. I know americans love to their V8's into everything, no matter how small it is, but it must affect the handling, theres no way it wouldn't
sounds too rough and rude to fit the miata identity.
Can you get a modified MX-5 like this with an automatic transmission and if so, what would it cost?